TV Top 10 of 2012: 'Mad Men,' 'Breaking Bad,' 'Parks and Recreation' & more

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If you've been reading me a long time, you know I'm a complete wimp when it comes to making lists. Tell me to pick 10 shows, and I'll pick at least 11 — or, if I can, just do multiple lists. (I'm the guy who had to come up with seven different lists to break down the best of the '00s.)

For my list of the best TV shows of 2012, I actually stuck to 10 — and you can see and hear about all my choices in the video embedded at the top of this post — but only because I knew that I would be doing a longer written list next week, featuring my top 20 shows of the year. Like I said, wimp.

In many years past, I would deal with my need to give everyone a trophy by doing separate lists for new and returning shows, but there were only two new shows this year that I felt that strongly about (hint: both aired on HBO, and both are in the top 10 video). The issue I ran into this year is that I had a very clear top six shows that were on every single permutation of the list I tried, and then a collection of 10 or so other shows that I could have put in any order and felt satisfied with having them on or off the list. There are weeks where "New Girl," for instance, makes me as happy as any comedy on television, and yet on the day I had to finalize the list to record this video, it just narrowly missed the cut. Even now, as I write the text for this post, I'm arguing with myself for whether that show, or "Boardwalk Empire" or "Justified" or something else should have slipped onto the main list instead, but ultimately, everything was really close together, and the world likes lists of exactly 10, so that's where I had to cut it off. 

One of the things I've been repeatedly asked about on my improvised book press tour is whether the golden age of television I write about in the book has already come to an end. And every time I'm asked that, I think about how hard it was to narrow this year's list down from 20 to 10, and about the incredibly depth of quality TV we have right now. There may not be as many Greatest of All Time candidates on at the same time as there were in the early-mid '00s, but there are more great shows overall, and all over the TV lineup.

So if a show you love (and/or that you expected me to include here) isn't on the list, then wait until early next week for the Top 20 before you yell at me. (Though yelling is certainly invited by any kind of best/worst list.)

Alan Sepinwall may be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com

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Alan Sepinwall has been reviewing television since the mid-'90s, first for Tony Soprano's hometown paper, The Star-Ledger, and now for HitFix. His new book, "The Revolution Was Televised," about the last 15 years of TV drama, is for sale at Amazon. He can be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com

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    JJJJ

    I AM YELLING, WHERE IS COMMUNITY!!!!????

    December 14, 2012 at 7:27PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Senor Chang

    Where's Community ?

    December 14, 2012 at 7:29PM EST Reply to Comment
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      mj15 Considering how Alan had Community in his top five for the previous two years, this is the show left off the list that surprised me the most.

      December 14, 2012 at 7:51PM EST
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      velocityknown I'm guessing since it only aired half a season in 2012 that it was hard to justify putting it over shows that either aired full seasons or the equivalent of full seasons (like Parks and Rec on 30 Rock).

      December 15, 2012 at 9:56AM EST
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      CC I doubt the number of episodes played much of a role in Alan's decision to not include Community among his top 10. Breaking Bad only aired 8 episodes this year, Girls 10, Mad Men 13 (i.e., only one more than Community), etc. I think Alan simply doesn't think as highly of the show as do others (which isn't to suggest he doesn't like it at all). Such things have been known to happen.

      December 15, 2012 at 12:43PM EST
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      Jaxemer11 Why would number of episodes matter? I think the last season if Community was the best yet, and some of the closing episodes were among the best of the season.

      December 15, 2012 at 1:38PM EST
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      Tedd Alan mentioned New Girl barely missing the cut, yet no mention of Community at all. Is New Girl ahead of Community...?

      I like New Girl quite a bit, but that would be a pretty bold choice.

      December 15, 2012 at 6:21PM EST
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      Star-burns Did any of you read the intro? It's pretty clear that he struggled with the list and narrowing it down to 10 was extremely hard, so cut him some slack.

      I can't speak to 30 Rock or Parenthood, but I thought the other 8 shows were better overall than Community this last season. It was amazing when it was on top of its game, but mediocre quite a few times too.

      December 15, 2012 at 10:51PM EST
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      Ben Community is not a very good show.

      December 16, 2012 at 8:19PM EST
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      Rishi Joe Sanu Well it's my opinion alright but I have seen all the shows in the list and personally I feel Community is head and shoulders above the rest of the shows in the list barring Breaking Bad. If just last season is to be considered perhaps Parks and Rec also might feature above it. But the rest NO.

      December 22, 2012 at 3:21AM EST
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    Dennis

    You say this "There are weeks where "New Girl," for instance, makes me as happy as any comedy on television, and yet on the day I had to finalize the list to record this video, it just narrowly missed the cut." then put Girls at #5...so confused?

    December 14, 2012 at 7:30PM EST Reply to Comment
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      sepinwall Girls /= New Girl

      December 14, 2012 at 7:35PM EST
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      Dennis Ah crap. I had just read about the HBO shows and didn't read closely. Doesn't help I only watch "Girls". I'll go back to my hole now....

      December 14, 2012 at 8:08PM EST
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      Jaxemer11 I think New Girl has had a pretty close to perfect season so far. Last season (which aired several episodes in 2012) was more hit and miss, but every episode of the current season has been great. I would have put it on my list.

      December 15, 2012 at 1:39PM EST
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    Jeff

    No Archer? And I'd say that Justified, though uneven, had a better season than Homeland even if the Finale is incredible.

    December 14, 2012 at 7:31PM EST Reply to Comment
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      RISHI Touche ! Also Community

      December 22, 2012 at 3:22AM EST
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    EHaber

    Great list! I especially love the shout-out to two not hugely popular HBO shows. I adored Luck and was so heartbroken when it got cancelled and I loved this past season of Treme. It's amazing that show, now years removed from the original subject matter of Katrina, is actually strengthening. It'll be a sad day when we say goodbye to Sonny, LaDonna, Albert, Annie and the others. But at least we got to really know them.

    December 14, 2012 at 7:35PM EST Reply to Comment
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    tossit

    Huh...I was surprised you have Mad Men as #1. I remember your reviews of that show being more critical than usual. Specifically the season finale and the whole Joan storyline.

    December 14, 2012 at 7:37PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Greg

    Shame, Alan, no Community. That last half of season three was the best stretch of episodes in the entire series. The Dreamatorium episode, the documentary pillow war episode, the Law & Order episode, the video game episode, the clip show sequel and the heist movie spoof episode are the best of what there was in comedy this year.

    December 14, 2012 at 7:38PM EST Reply to Comment
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      S Agree with this 99%; to me back half S1 is their best but the back half S3 was the best comedy of 2012.

      December 14, 2012 at 9:18PM EST
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    ghoti

    Any show where you have to list a few half-hearted positives to justify including it after saying how much you didn't like it probably shouldn't be on the list. New Girl, on the other hand, was a joy to watch every week.

    If they cancelled one tomorrow (and they might) which would you rather it be?

    December 14, 2012 at 7:44PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Hatfield Wait, which show did he do that with?

      December 14, 2012 at 7:45PM EST
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      ghoti Ditto that for Community and Justified. Was the one good Homeland episode better than any of the five best Community offerings? (Serious question)

      December 14, 2012 at 7:46PM EST
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      Gary I don't think that's quite fair to Homeland... it didn't really stumble much until episode 6 this season (Gettysburg) and most of the problems people, including Alan, have been having with it are based more on questionable plot twists and occasional dumb logic than poor character writing. I think putting it at 10 seems about right - if the season had, hypothetically, only aired its first five episodes this year I really think it'd be a strong top five candidate. However weird things have been lately, it should definitely be recognized for what I personally thought was a fantastic stretch early on.

      December 16, 2012 at 3:34AM EST
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      ghoti Oh, I think Homeland is irretrevably broken and it wouldn't even make my top 20. It just seemed to me like Alan was kind of bending over backwards to include it. If you have to strain so hard, maybe there are better options.

      December 16, 2012 at 3:46AM EST
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      Gary Forgot to mention that while I do love Community, that show is also rather inconsistent, and this wasn't its best year. My four picks for best of season 3 would be Chaos Theory, Documentary Redux, Holiday Music, and Pillows & Blankets, the first three of which aired in 2011. Not saying the others aired in 2012 weren't at least solid (I'd still put it in my personal top ten, around #8), it's just that a smaller pack of episodes this year inevitably meant less examples of its crazy highs. Mix that in with uncertainty about its future and I would bet that the show ends up ranking significantly lower on the Metacritic list this year than in the prior two.

      December 16, 2012 at 3:48AM EST
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      Gary Oh, we just have different opinions on Homeland then. I'm bracing myself to be right there with you after tomorrow night, but I'm holding off on giving up until then. I can forgive the lows of this season if it somehow pulls off the landing, however unlikely that may be.

      December 16, 2012 at 3:52AM EST
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    Hatfield

    Hard to get upset about any of this, though I don't watch Parenthood or love 30 Rock as much as you do. I think my list would have been something like this (oh dear, here we go):

    Mad Men
    Community
    Breaking Bad
    Justified
    Girls
    Game of Thrones
    Luck
    Parks & Rec
    Homeland
    Shameless

    I am tempted to do an eleventy billion-way tie for tenth, but I'll restrain myself.

    Oh, and the video says "Alan Sepinwall. Thanks for watching" twice at the end.

    December 14, 2012 at 7:45PM EST Reply to Comment
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      tossit I just started watching Parenthood this month and am already on season 2. It's pretty fantastic so far.

      December 14, 2012 at 7:48PM EST
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      Jaxemer11 Love Shameless ... but haven't been able to see the second season yet (it is next on my netflix cue).

      December 15, 2012 at 1:42PM EST
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      Joe Community ahead of Breaking Bad is simply laughable. I actually like the show and laud them for some of the swings they take, but there are just too many misses. Breaking Bad is simply one of the greatest shows to ever air and could never be ranked behind a comedy even if it were the best comedy ever and Community is not.

      December 17, 2012 at 10:06AM EST
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    George

    Mad Men as the best of this year? Good one!

    December 14, 2012 at 7:49PM EST Reply to Comment
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    brian_chimino

    I enjoyed Veep tons more than Girls. Just me?

    December 14, 2012 at 7:54PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Tina Not just you. Not tons, and I enjoyed both, but Veep more.

      December 14, 2012 at 8:31PM EST
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      wallywalters Same here.

      December 15, 2012 at 12:10AM EST
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      Balaji K Girls seem to be over-rated by all the critics for some reason. I watched the first 3 episodes and gave up. They were simply unfunny.

      December 15, 2012 at 10:04PM EST
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    Kendra

    As I watched the list, I kept thinking there were a few I'd switch around but then I realized that there were probably only two of them because two other shows probably wouldn't have made my list or even been as high.

    I don't find "Girls" as unique as you do so I doubt it would've made my list. And while I don't think Breaking Bad had its best season, I found it much better than Mad Men. I found Luck, as a season, better than Mad Men. I even think Boardwalk Empire, this season, was better than Mad Men. Heck, I even have more affection for what Killen tried to do with Awake than what Weiner did with Mad Men. So while I wouldn't have left Mad Men off of my list completely, there was just too much about it that didn't work for me.

    December 14, 2012 at 7:55PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Ricardo

    "Mad Men" at the top. As it should be. But I'm stunned you didn't find a place for "Justified". It's on my top 5 for sure.

    December 14, 2012 at 8:01PM EST Reply to Comment
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    ed w

    I'm a little surprised Mad Men ranked so highly. From smothering us with so much Megan, to Don's creepy chase around their apartment, and to making it so now the only major female character at the company is now a prostitute - it just seemed like they were trying too hard and starting to border on ridiculous. More of a B or B+ season than an A to me.

    December 14, 2012 at 8:06PM EST Reply to Comment
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    LJA

    Co-sign on #1. I thought this was the strongest season of Mad Men to date. So glad to see so many of my favorites here, Treme and Parenthood in particular. Also pleased about Louie, Parks, & 30 Rock!

    LJA (having trouble getting logged in)

    December 14, 2012 at 8:19PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Fall

    I really can't get over this double standard people seem to have regarding plot holes in Homeland(or any other show I've seen recently, really) versus plot holes in Breaking Bad. BB is so great that it justifies placing it that far above Homeland? I really am asking a serious, non-condescending question here, because it's the only show I know of where I am pretty close to 180 from the consensus on its quality in the past 1.5 seasons. There have been more plot contrivances, more freak coincidences, and more of characters acting wildly out-of-character when it's convenient for the plot in BB than in any show I have watched in the past two years(Fienberg put it very well when he said something along the lines of "Mike is Batman whenever the script requires it.") What I've listed is only the tip of a gigantic iceberg, and I've only restrained myself from posting a huge list of issues I have with the show's writing because I haven't even finished compiling one yet.

    I'm amazed that BB seems to have become a sacred cow that people see as immune to criticism - Dustin Rowles' reply to a what seems to me a very fair analysis of the show by Jim Salant doesn't even bother addressing single point - but I'm open to hearing well-thought-out arguments as to why there's good reason that I can hardly read a page of text without someone talking about how nothing measures up to BB.

    I'm posting this here and *only* here, because I find that Sepinwall is a critic who tends to be fair in assessing shows, and often points out things that change my mind, for better or worse, about many episodes of my favorite shows once I've listened to his reasoning, as well as Dan's. By extension, I've found his commenters are far above, say, IMDB's, on average.

    Someone *please* explain the cult of BB in at least a half-civil tone.

    Oh, and while I don't hate Mad Men, I've never heard anyone give specific examples of why it's so "intelligent" or "deep," and I've asked countless people, including close friends. It does have some good sets and costumes. I'll give it that.

    December 14, 2012 at 8:41PM EST Reply to Comment
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      ed w Who are Dustin Rowles and Jim Salant?

      December 14, 2012 at 9:15PM EST
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      mhaubs Reply to comment...

      December 14, 2012 at 9:23PM EST
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      mhaubs Totally agree on BB. I've watched every episode, and think it has great characters and great actors, but the many plot contrivances leave it short of my personal pantheon.

      December 14, 2012 at 9:25PM EST
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      madmeme Breaking Bad:

      First, I disagree with your premise that BB was immune to criticism - many many critics (often including Feinberg and/or Sepinwall) were decrying the plot holes and/or contrivances in the last season. That said, I was often posting arguments against that point of view, in defense of BB. Not because I didn't think it had contrivances - but against the idea that it was any different in season 5 than any of the previous seasons: the series has ALWAYS been chock full of them. But here's the thing: you can't directly compare the number and/or ludicrousness of plot contrivances between two shows like Homeland and BB - even though they are both fiction.

      Homeland is a show that draws much of it's power from being rooted in many of the often-ignored but deadly serious elements of our culture (the foreign wars, the damaged veterans, the secret surveillance, the threat of violent and unexpected terrorist action) so it's naturally imbued with a hyperrealism that few other series can approach. Couple that with the superior acting of Danes, Lewis, and Patinkin, and you have something that, at it's best, feels almost documentary-like. Then when it does something patently unrealistic, it shatters this investigative patina, and ends up often feeling sillier than even your normal, silly, run-of-the-mill TV show.

      OTOH, BB is a morality parable - starting with a downtrodden Everyman then proceeding to systematically run him through a series of darkly humorous lab tests to reflect what might or might not happen to any of us if we were unlucky enough to find ourselves on the slippery slope that is Walter White's life. Other than the emotional responses of it's core group of characters, the series has NEVER been concerned (except in detailed and absurd asides - such as 'The Dummy's Guide to Disposing of Bodies') with having to follow too closely the rules of the universe - whether that be physics, chemistry, or probability theory. But it doesn't matter - it's a parable - with some very interesting principles it's illustrating.

      Now I must sleep - but tomorrow I'll try to explain why I think Mad Men is the best show on television - and perhaps the best drama yet made after 'The Wire'.

      December 14, 2012 at 10:08PM EST
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      Fall Ed W: Googling those two names and "breaking bad" should allow you to easily find the articles mentioned. Salant wrote one for GQ, and Rowles' knee-jerk response is hosted on uproxx.com(I didn't try to link, because I don't know if Hitfix allows URLs and am too worn out to have to re-attempt a post if this one isn't allowed for any reason.)


      Thanks for leaving typical internet behavior out of this. Instantly after posting, I had almost regretted bothering to comment in the first place.

      I probably didn't choose my words carefully, because I never meant to suggest that nobody ever criticized Breaking Bad - that was partly an

      anecdote about the overwhelming amount of people I know or converse with that go to extreme lengths to try and justify every single contrivance and

      pretend it wasn't sloppy writing. It's also worth noting that Dan and Alan have bashed the show here and there on certain points, but that's

      exactly part of the problem - where did this sharpness and concern for solid writing go in the mid-season finale's final scene? They didn't even

      question the laziness of how Hank's discovery was brought about. You, however, are right about it having always had tons of plot holes, a point I

      also failed to clarify in my last post, and it was Salant who convinced me that my nostalgia for this show having been so solidly written in

      seasons 1-3 perhaps wasn't so justified as I'd thought. I have to own up to my perception not always being perfect, and just to provide some more

      context for my beef with the show, I'll say that I used to absolutely consider it to be the best currently-airing drama at the time of its third

      season, even going so far as to say that one cannot very likely write a pilot better than its first episode. The situation has been largely

      reversed now, with me considering it to easily be the worst-written show on any remotely "premium" network, with Walt being so unrelatably

      psychopathic as to be almost impossible to continue watching(especially his recent moralizing to Jesse over "blood on his hands,") with the

      aforementioned contrivances and many more regarding the plot, and with unbelievable stretches in previously-established character traits,

      especially on Mike's part, who could easily have simply skipped town without magically throwing his "no more half-measures" philosophy out the

      window when Gilligan decided the script required it. In short(yeah, me being concise? Ha!) I am constantly seeing one instance of inexcusably

      sloppy writing after another, and it would be one thing if the general public and critical consensus went anywhere near giving a balanced view of

      this, but I keep finding literally everyone but one or two writers online and exactly *one* person I know in my personal life calling this show one

      of the absolute best ever, if not the very best. Even people like Sepinwall, who acknowledge its faults at times, seem to completely forget how

      shaky a show it can be when making top ten lists like this. There seems to be a cult around BB that I'd almost compare to that of certain

      dictators throughout history who hung their pictures all over buildings. It really is seeming that dogmatic lately, especially during season four,

      where its popularity seems to have really taken off, which to me is the single most inexplicable part of it all - I find far more flaws in it than

      the previous seasons, and am shocked at how many people manage to believe it was well-paced during all that rock collecting and house partying that

      took up so much of it, while Mike and Saul were criminally underused. To be fair, the climax in the finale was extremely satisfying for me

      temporarily, but, honestly, did much else really happen in that entire season?

      The defense that this is a morality play and therefore the plot holes "don't matter" is exactly one of the forms of perceived immunity from

      criticism I'm talking about. You say they don't matter, but why not? BB and Homeland both take place in the real world. They're both exercises

      in storytelling. I see no rational reason BB should be so readily let off the hook, when technically it's still making the same kinds of mistakes

      Homeland does, only far more frequently when character's personalities are treated like silly putty.. And what are these "interesting principles"

      you speak of, other than one increasingly egomaniacal man's greed(which used to be concern for his loved ones) leading him to become progressively

      more depraved? In the past hour or so, I've found that Gilligan's overall view of the moral part of this show is one I find completely

      indefensible: That old belief in some sort of karmic or otherwise mystical justice that keeps the guilty from ever going unpunished. This is

      wishful thinking, has nothing in reality to back it up, and makes me that much more skeptical of him as a writer, as well as his ability with being

      honest about how the world works. He has now clearly admitted that this is all from the standpoint of "I can't not believe in Hell," which in his

      context clearly really means "I don't want to believe in people ever escaping justice, since the thought of it is unpleasant." I'd be fine with

      this if it were a fantasy series of sorts where some supernatural force was a clear element within the show, and I definitely don't want to get

      into any debates on religion and/or spirituality with anyone, so I'll end this part there, but the "plot holes don't matter" to me seems similar to

      someone just saying "this is a turn-your-brain-off movie and it isn't fair to analyze it," or some other commonly-used cop-out in an attempt to

      ignore valid criticism. Also, BB is definitely a crime thriller in the strictest sense - just like you say holes in Homeland shatter "patina"

      (looked that one up, and either can't grasp the metaphor or am more tired than I think I am,) the contrivances and lack of logic in BB make the

      many moments that are so obviously intended to build tension lose their believability. Its flaws as as crime thriller, therefore, are every bit as

      real as Homeland's flaws as one involving terrorism and espionage. And given both series involve very deadly parts of life, does it really matter

      from a storytelling standpoint which one might be more often "ignored" than the other?

      I don't really place any value on the show having never cared that much about plausibility, anyway. That just sounds like an admission that it's

      never been nearly as great as people say, considering how many shows(even crime thrillers) are out there that hold up much better, however

      imperfect, under this kind of scrutiny. I don't buy that someone with Nobel-level recognition is an "everyman" in any meaningful since, let alone

      that he'd fail to find a better job than working as a high school teacher with that level of experience, but maybe I get ahead of myself in being

      so tempted to list the seemingly countless problems this show has whenever one occurs to me mid-thought. At the end of the day, I'm still puzzled

      as to how huge this show's cult has become, with someone as brilliant as Stephen King calling Gus the best TV villain ever(good performance? Sure,

      but let's take a step back before making such claims.)

      Please don't use any Mad Men examples from post-season 3, and you shouldn't have to, as people were calling it the best show ever before its second

      season ended. While I've watched the first three and still can't even begin to imagine why someone would enjoy it half as much as so many do, I'm

      open-minded enough that I'll probably start the fourth eventually, though I've tried to do this three times and been bored out of my mind during

      every attempt. I'm somemone that *loves* most series I've seen on premium or even half-premium networks(which I consider AMC to be, to an extent,)

      but MM is the show that, above all others, has me at a near-complete loss, apart from Sally and Peggy having at least remotely human qualities.

      I'll warn you, though, that I find any rating of a show as "best show on TV" or anything similar as a very arbitrary claim - at most, I can accept

      something being called "top notch" or "*one* of the best," but beyond that, it seems like way too strong a claim, and too far from provable to
      really bother debating anyway. By all means, though, feel free to state your case for MM.

      December 15, 2012 at 1:17AM EST
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      Fall Ugh. Sorry for the formatting of my last post. Pasted from Notepad so I wouldn't potentially lose all that I typed, though the paragraphs are so horridly long that it might be easier to follow as formatted here...

      December 15, 2012 at 1:19AM EST
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      madmeme >> The defense that this is a morality play and therefore the plot holes "don't matter" is exactly one of the forms of perceived immunity from criticism I'm talking about.

      It's not an immunity from criticism per se - just certain kinds of criticism seem nonsensical in my opinion.

      >> You say they don't matter, but why not?

      Does the fact that the hare talks to the tortoise in Aesop's fable matter?

      >> but the "plot holes don't matter" to me seems similar to someone just saying "this is a turn-your-brain-off movie and it isn't fair to analyze it," or some other commonly-used cop-out in an attempt to ignore valid criticism.

      Again, it's about the TYPE of criticism - there are many valid approaches to criticizing the show (as you pointed out with your completely valid criticism of Gilligan's view of morality).

      December 15, 2012 at 10:34AM EST
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      madmeme And, btw, I wrote 'morality parable' - not 'morality play' - a different cup of tea entirely.

      December 15, 2012 at 10:45AM EST
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      madmeme One last thing - I think if you believe that the main themes of BB have anything whatsoever to do with greed, you need to go back and re-watch the show - or at least re-think your conclusions.

      December 15, 2012 at 10:55AM EST
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      Jaxemer11 It's not the plot wholes that cause problems in Homeland. Every show has plot wholes (yes, including Mad Men, Breaking Bad, The Wire, etc.). I don't know why people get so hung up on plot wholes. The problem is what you do with the plot wholes and where the show in general is headed. Breaking Bad uses plot wholes to tell us something about characters and to advance the overall narrative. Homeland, on the other hand, is just a giant plot hole in and of itself and isn't going anywhere. If the plot wholes were servicing the narrative, they would be excusable. Instead, it is obvious the writers had no idea where to go since Q&A and the characters have suffered as a result. Both Carrie and Brodie have become caricatures as a result. They need to blow up the current narrative and start from scratch next season, which is what I'm guessing they will do.

      December 15, 2012 at 1:47PM EST
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      Jaxemer11 A show can only be judged objectively against what it sets out to be. Breaking Bad has never tried to be a realistic depiction of life as a meth producer/supplier. Breaking Bad, as others have suggested, is a morality tale.

      If you don't like plot holes, than may I suggest that television (and every other form of fictional entertainment) may not be your cup of tea. Plot holes happen, and often times they are necessary. Their mere existence is not what makes a show good or bad.

      December 15, 2012 at 1:52PM EST
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      madmeme Making a television series that runs for a few years is a living, breathing process. Events from the 'real world' impact the production - locations can't be reused or are destroyed - actors leave or die - other actors turn out to be so good, you want to keep then longer than originally planned.

      Part of the skill and cleverness of being a good showrunner is figuring out how to embrace all those 'real world' influences, and work them into the show seasmlessly. Breaking Bad has been extremely good at this - from initially shooting in New Mexico for financial incentives, but making it into an integral part of the fabric of the show - to keeping the Jesse Pinkman character beyond the first season - to the way the writers and crew dealt with the destruction of the chicken farm location.

      OTOH, Homeland's problems all began because they didn't do this well. Damien Lewis was so good, they clearly wanted him back for at least another season. But the story they were telling - the impact it might have had - were sacrificed by fabricating the silly events in last year's finale in order to make him survive. We all knew what they were doing - and they can't really be faulted for trying to do it - but they did it BADLY, it felt staged - and they lost the edge they had had up until that moment - and, IMO, they've never really gotten it back.

      December 15, 2012 at 5:30PM EST
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      Fall >>It's not an immunity from criticism per se - just certain kinds of criticism seem nonsensical in my opinion.

      I'm not looking for opinions on this matter - I'm looking for facts from the storyline and confirmable details in characterization that might

      change my mind, setting it at ease about the constant praise and absurdly rabid fanbase this show has somehow gotten, starting at a time which, I

      am convinced, was its shark-jumping moment. My point is that bad writing is bad writing, and any show has flaws because of it. I am not seeing signs that my points will be addressed, and I hate discussing things online, but I posted in desperation because BB has a cult following on a level I rarely see, and am rarely so at odds with. I'd love to hear strong, fair defenses of its perceived status as "brilliant," and for now I'm willing to

      >>Does the fact that the hare talks to the tortoise in Aesop's fable matter?

      Very weak defense here, and an analogy that is far off-base. The fable is clearly fantasy. Everyone knows animals can't talk, and that hobbits don't exist, but the purpose of such

      elements is born from imagination, and can be done well and without BB's sloppiness. BB is about humans in ABQ working a meth lab, something that

      absolutely DOES happen. Within the framework of "animals can talk," there are no contradictions in the Tortoise and the Hare. BB is in the framework that I just mentioned, and has unraveled within it countless times due to the writers sabotaging their own "ingenious" and "intense" scenes meant to generate suspense, which will take anyone observant enough out of them once they acknowledge how much better-written they could have been with a shred of respect for the writing process. Most importantly, its characters have unraveled in the same way, due to the writers deciding that blatant declarations of their philosophies and clear examples of their abilities and ways of operating only matter when he wants them to. Banks has essentially said this much in an interview, rightly pointing out that Mike would have been better armed - only one detail in the needlessly panic-induced disaster that was his being written out. Banks seemed to be hinting(or maybe stating more explicitly) that Gilligan cared little about doing a good job with that part of the writing. Who's to say he's not a bit openly lazy with writing other scenes? He could certainly convince me.

      Not sure where your argument about the "type of criticism" really addresses any issues. To say there are things in this show that make no logical

      sense(and could were a few details changed to make sense) is absolutely true, provable just by looking at plot points even in BB that *do* make

      sense, which there might still be examples of at this point in season 5, and these problems are causing it to utterly fail as a crime thriller, which is what it really is at its core, regardless of a few themes that might drive those thrills.

      You're putting *far* too much weight on this show being a morality parable in proportion to how much reiterating of that idea actually occurs on

      screen, and to an extent you might be putting words in Gilligan's mouth. I'm interested in what his clear intentions are, regardless of how many fans/critics call it a "morality parable." Does the show really spend a lot of time actively philosophizing/talking about how the guilty are always punished? If anything, far more

      is spent showing how evil Walt's become, but far more than *that* has been spent on heist scenes, murders, disposing of evidence, and the planning

      of crime. It is those scenes that keep the viewer watching. I guarantee you that the vast majority of fans keep watching due to the action,

      suspense, cliffhangers, and so on - not out of interest in parables. Hell, do any of us watch it for that? To not address this makes it seem you

      might be sidestepping a major issue. "Morality parable" is just one overarching theme - and if Gilligan indeed defined it as such(I need a quote

      from him if he did,) it doesn't change what the show is mostly about when it comes down to the scenes we're watching, and that is why they richly deserve far more criticism than they're getting.

      I'm not saying the main "themes" necessarily have to do with greed, unless you consider that greed is part of the evil that's driving Walt's actions. Just that it is an obvious trait of Walt's that has been leading him down this path, particularly in the last two seasons, though it was certainly starting to take hold before then.

      I don't know exactly what you're referring to regarding the chicken farm location, but the first two examples you gave were a long time ago - keeping Jesse in the show was done far more seamlessly than, say, taking Mike out of it or diminishing Ted's role was. I already know all of this about showrunners having to deal with unforeseen circumstances, and now that BB has started sloppily writing out characters and writing in events that take a relatively inquisitive fan's mind out of the show(especially when it's the mind of someone that was previously obsessed to the point of having little interest in its flaws) this can no longer be argued to be a particular strength of Gilligan's - at least not one that's keeping the show from turning into a train wreck.

      I've already stated a few cases for BB feeling staged, and those need to be addressed if Homeland is to continue being victim to bashing while BB continues to be given comparatively holy treatment. I could paste many more issues I have, if you really want them, but it'd take tons of space up, and I feel like I'm asking a lot of questions(probably too many at a time, due to my difficulty being concise) that aren't being addressed in a serious fashion - one of my main objections is that using examples in fantasy to excuse plot holes in "straight fiction" is blatantly worthless as an argument in this context.

      JAXEMER11 - The "all stories have plot holes" line is another cop-out. It's a massively strong claim to be making, and if you're going to make it, you need to back it up. To be fair, that would be impossible for even the most well-read person in history or in the future, barring powers of immortality. It's also worth mentioning that there are countless shows out there that stand up better to scrutiny where holes are concerned than BB does - even shows that *have* plot holes don't always rely on them half as much as BB does, and that is to the credit of their writers. They are not "necessary" to write BB. They could write clever, well-thought-out events, such as making a heist scene feasible(even if that required having it take place somewhere other than a train track, and not involving a train.) It happens in TV all the time with shows whose writers bothered not to insult the intelligence of the audience. Your attacks against Homeland are unfair if you're not going to explain why they count with Homeland and not BB, because you're making generalized statements without citing examples of BB avoiding these problems and Homeland stumbling over those same problems.

      If a show can only be judged on what it sets out to do, than a painting made from one completely random brush stroke whose painter says is "open to interpretation" can be described as genius. My point is that what BB is doing isn't achieving nearly as much as what people are saying, and that it's hardly the product of some superhuman level of creativity its cult seem to think it is. Again, spare me the "everything has plot holes" line unless you can cite examples in every work of fiction ever. Even if it were true, BB has them in spades where others don't. Plot holes are *always* avoidable through smarter writing, and whether it was because of time constraints or any other reason, Gilligan has failed to avoid them time and time again, so much that major events have been very poorly devised, and major characters' motivations make little or no sense anymore. Again, I have an ever-growing list of these, and before the show's going roughly 180, I was more obsessed with it than I am now with, say, Boardwalk Empire, a show I still have several issues with without it absolutely tearing the show's fabric apart on the plot and character levels.

      Then, of course, there's the fact that Gilligan's entire premise regarding morality is silly on its own. That might be enough proof to me that the show is broken at its core, if the unaddressed convenient character changes lacking any in-universe context weren't enough. And, of course, half my reason for posting at all was because someone as insightful as Sepinwall somehow placed this as the absolute *second* best show o the entire year, even after rightly criticizing it.

      I'm really wondering if it'd be more constructive to just hear your reasons for loving Mad Men at this point, but I'll leave that up to you.

      December 15, 2012 at 7:05PM EST
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      Jaxemer11 Fall - As you said, its virtually impossible to prove that every work of fiction has plot holes. Why don't you tell us which ones don't?

      I don't care if you like Breaking Bad or not. It is clear you have a problem with it for some reason. That's fine. I was just trying to answer your question. It seems that you weren't really looking for an answer though (as you reduced my answer to being a "cop out"). It actually sounds like you just want to bash people that like Breaking Bad. If that makes you feel good, I'm fine with that as well. I would be intested in hearing what your ideal plot-hole free television is though.

      And I don't like Mad Men ... so you might be waiting a while for an answer to your last question.

      December 15, 2012 at 7:22PM EST
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      madmeme >> regardless of how many fans/critics call it a "morality parable."

      Umm... I just coined that myself, when I wrote you. Try Googling "breaking bad" +parable and see how many results you get. I think about things and perform critical analysis - and have original thoughts about them - it's my job. Anyway, it's clear from this message and the previous that you haven't a clue about what a parable is - or how it functions - or about whether I, with this idea which I proposed yesterday, might have an actual point.

      You also don't seem to have any idea on how art functions - it's not the creator of art who determines it's ultimate meaning - it's the audience.

      You don't like Breaking Bad or Mad Men - no big deal - move onto to something else. You're clearly not about to budge from the opinion which you formed with what you believe was critical analysis. It was not.

      December 15, 2012 at 7:49PM EST
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      DeadFall Had a long response typed up, but if you're on board with the arrogant "the audience's view matters and the very person who created it with their own intentions doesn't" crowd, then I'm done. I get enough of that silly premise from high schoolers, and you didn't bother backing it up here anyway. The idea that the very person intending to express their own ideas and emotions is less important than the often-misguided "intepretations" of others is one of the most idiotic ideas ever set forth in art criticism.

      I really do appreciate the feeling one gets when they can't reason with something, but trying to make an argument from authority of sorts by talking about how your job is to analyze things addresses nothing. Thanks for the condescension, but I know how to use Google, Wikipedia, and all of that good stuff.

      I know damn well what a parable is, and I reject your desperate attempts at using "it's a parable" to dogmatically defend every stupid mistake BB's writers make. The thoughts you've placed so far have hardly been original, anyway - I'm ultimately, as expected, just getting the same tired apologism I'd likely get on any Youtube, TVTropes, or IMDB comment thread.

      Lack of faith in Breaking Bad cultists retained.

      December 15, 2012 at 8:28PM EST
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      madmeme >> The idea that the very person intending to express their own ideas and emotions is less important than the often-misguided "intepretations" of others is one of the most idiotic ideas ever set forth in art criticism.

      It's at the foundation of the creative process. You think Da Vinvi or Shakespeare were standing around telling people how to interpret their work?

      >> I know damn well what a parable is

      Clearly you didn't (though I'm sure you were hard at Wikipedia after) since you seemed to believe it was the same thing as a morality play two posts ago. I appreciate you attempts to backpedal now - as well as on your ridiculous assertion that the show was about greed.

      But honestly, I bailed on this discussion several posts back when you didn't understand the connection between a fable and a parable.

      Enjoy disliking these shows!

      December 15, 2012 at 8:50PM EST
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    Jared K

    Overall, this is a strong and deserving Top 10 list. I'm particularly pleased that 30 Rock earned such a high spot in the final order, given how strong it's been through Season 6 and the first eight episodes of Season 7.

    As much as I love Community, I don't really object to it not making the final 10 this year. I'm sure that it will be represented in the Top 20 list and the Best Individual Episodes podcast, if you and Dan get around to doing one this year. Ditto for Game of Thrones, Justified, Boardwalk Empire, and many of the other quality shows being tossed around in the comments.

    December 14, 2012 at 8:46PM EST Reply to Comment
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    odessasteps

    I'd just like to thank Alan and Hitfix for not making this a slideshow.

    December 14, 2012 at 9:08PM EST Reply to Comment
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      tossit Alan usually does his list like this...wait for Dan's..slideshow fo sho.

      December 14, 2012 at 10:06PM EST
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      dan TossIt - I won't stop to ponder what you're saying about me, though I'm sure it's mean. Nope. My Top 10 will be a video just like this one.

      Now my BOTTOM 10? Slideshow fo sho.

      -Daniel

      December 14, 2012 at 10:33PM EST
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      sauloccl http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/the-fien-print/posts/the-fien-prints-tv-top-10-of-2011

      December 14, 2012 at 11:46PM EST
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      tossit Dan- hahaha I actually like the slideshows..and yeah I knew you did a slideshow for something

      December 15, 2012 at 2:45PM EST
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      goofus Because I was reading this on a smartphone, I seriously spent 5 minutes wondering where was the frickin list. Seriously, why cant you just put the list and comments in print?

      December 18, 2012 at 1:23AM EST
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    John

    Here's my top 10 (I don't watch that many comedies--I haven't seen Parks & Rec, Community or 30 Rock--so it's drama heavy:)

    1. Breaking Bad
    2. Game of Thrones
    3. Boardwalk Empire
    4. Mad Men
    5. Modern Family
    6. Sherlock (aired in January in the US)
    7. Justified
    8. The Good Wife
    9. Homeland
    10. Downton Abbey

    Honorable mention: Veep, Person of Interest, Arrow, Elementary, Sons of Anarchy, Dexter, Don't Trust the B in Apartment 23 (I'm sure I probably forgot about something else).

    December 14, 2012 at 9:19PM EST Reply to Comment
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      General If Sepinwall's blog was not enough, I'll go ahead and tell it to you here as well:

      When Modern Family is in your top 5 and Don't Trust the Basketball in your honorable mentions, I think you should go ahead and watch Parks and Recreation, Community, 30 Rock, New Girl, Louie or Archer. All of the above, even if I personally don't like some of them, are so much better than Modern Family and Don't Trust the Bingo.

      This is just my opinion of course, but I think a lot of people agree with me.

      Good drama list though.

      December 14, 2012 at 9:56PM EST
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      tossit Agreed...and Happy Endings and Cougar Town as well

      December 14, 2012 at 10:11PM EST
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      John Look, I'm not defending not watching those comedies. But what do you want? I can't rank them in the Top 10 if I haven't seen them. I'll try to get to them eventually, but there's a lot of good television out there.

      Honestly, I'm not convinced that I'd like any of those shows better than Modern Family. Note that I had it in my top five overall, above several really good dramas. I just really like the show, and it always makes me laugh. I understand that a lot of people disagree, which is fine. And besides, a lot of people agree, given its ratings and Emmy wins. As for Don't Trust the B, I'm not saying it's Seinfeld or anything. But it makes me laugh, which is good enough.

      December 14, 2012 at 10:21PM EST
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      John I guess in retrospect, maybe I should have left off Don't Trust the B entirely. It makes me laugh, but it's more of a guilty pleasure. I stand by Modern Family though.

      December 14, 2012 at 10:27PM EST
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      General I'm not saying liking Modern Family is bad, I'm just saying I think you would be amazed and laugh even harder at other shows. I used to think Modern Family was the best there was until I watched many of the shows mentioned and I am very glad now that I did watch them , because they are shows I'll cherish for years to come.

      December 14, 2012 at 11:44PM EST
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      John Fair enough. I appreciate that you're just spreading the word about shows you like. I'll try to get to them. Which one would you suggest watching first? If it helps, my favorite comedies of all time are (no particular order) Seinfeld, The Simpsons, The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, The Office, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Arrested Development, Married...with Children, The Larry Sanders Show and Modern Family.

      December 15, 2012 at 12:05AM EST
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      WeebeysPlasticFish I'd recommend Parks & Rec, 30 Rock or Louie first, keeping in mind that Parks & Rec didn't really start getting good until season 2. I've actually only seen a couple episodes of Louie so far, but I think it's pretty amazing.

      December 15, 2012 at 1:24PM EST
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    jon

    Parks and Rec is SO overrated it's mind-boggling. The show has taken a down turn like The Office did. It isn't that good, Alan.

    December 14, 2012 at 9:29PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Nicola Co-signed. I lost interest during the third season.

      December 14, 2012 at 10:09PM EST
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      Duke Silver Translation: You shouldn't like things I don't like, Alan.

      December 14, 2012 at 10:26PM EST
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      JustCurious You do realize that such things are subjective...right? Or perhaps you can share with us what makes your opinion superior to Alan's (and that of all the other critics that praise Parks and Recreation).

      December 14, 2012 at 10:47PM EST
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      Joe Agreed. I like the show and respect the way that they can do feel-good comedy but still include the right mix of sarcasm. Still, I feel the show has run its course. I never really liked characters like Andy and April, but then again I can watch Ron do just about anything. That is a pantheon comedy character.

      December 17, 2012 at 10:10AM EST
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    Tom

    A suggestion: just put the names of the shows in text. Don't make us watch a seven-minute video. I stopped about 20 seconds in.

    December 14, 2012 at 9:43PM EST Reply to Comment
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      ghoti Hitfix.

      December 14, 2012 at 9:47PM EST
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      Action_Kate Yes, this. Alan, I adore your writing. And (you're a parent, you understand) I don't have seven minutes to sit and watch a video, however awesome it is. Just give me the list. If I find time I can always come back and watch.

      December 14, 2012 at 10:18PM EST
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      John S In the intro Alan says there will be a top 20 written post in the next week. Same as last year. I had the same thought last year before I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Blog.

      December 14, 2012 at 10:33PM EST
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      Action_Kate aaaaand JohnS wins the thread for today. :)

      December 15, 2012 at 5:17PM EST
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    Stormshadow4life

    I have JUST started the latest season of Mad Men...does this list spoil anything about it?

    December 14, 2012 at 10:49PM EST Reply to Comment
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      John There aren't any specific spoilers, but he does mention some things that did happen which I would consider spoilers. So he doesn't name names, but you'll be waiting the entire season for certain things to happen. I'd recommend just watching the rest of the season first.

      December 14, 2012 at 11:40PM EST
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      S No. The video mentions something thematically related to death, but you'll start to see that early in the season, anyway.

      December 15, 2012 at 12:00AM EST
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      ghoti I wouldn't watch this until I finished Mad Men.

      December 16, 2012 at 3:51AM EST
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    mridge1

    No real arguments here. Glad 'Sons of Anarchy' is nowhere to be seen. It really bothers me how that show receives the praise / viewership it does.

    December 14, 2012 at 10:49PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Lars

    I would send you a gift basket just for putting 30 Rock in your top 10 list because it's been missing from most of the TV critics' lists. I actually prefer 30 Rock to Parks and Recreation though because Parks and Rec new season seemed to be less consistent.

    Put me in the NO category to "Girls" though. I sat through most of the episodes (except for the last one) because I just could not relate to these people AT ALL. On the other hand, my friend who studied in New York, LOVE this show! Still need to catch up on Luck though...

    December 14, 2012 at 11:08PM EST Reply to Comment
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    John S

    Solid list. The only one that I raise my eyebrows at is 30 Rock is at 4. I like 30 Rock plenty, but there is enough of that show that really irritates me about it that I don't think it's in the same stratosphere as Parks and Rec one spot ahead.

    December 14, 2012 at 11:24PM EST Reply to Comment
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    marc

    great list! Mad Men at #1 is the absolute right choice and it's a joy to see 30 Rock ranking so high on your list. This show had a wonderful 6th season, the 7th season seems even better and I will dearly miss it when ends next month.

    December 14, 2012 at 11:42PM EST Reply to Comment
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    r1pvanw1nkl3

    Pretty good list. I do have to join the obnoxious Community choir though. I think that the back half of Community's 3rd season was the show's strongest run yet, and I would easily place it on top of P&R's 4th season episodes which were always good, yet lacking the special something that made season 3 so fantastic. I do think this year's Season 5 episodes of Parks have been fantastic though, so it would still make my list. And it was unquestionably better than 30 Rock (which I do still enjoy).

    There were many shows here that I haven't watched (Girls, Luck, Mad Men, Parenthood) so I can't comment on those specifically, but I do agree with the placement of Breaking Bad, Louie,

    December 14, 2012 at 11:43PM EST Reply to Comment
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      r1pvanw1nkl3 and Homeland. I'd probably add Justified (which wasn't as good as season 2 but still lots of fun) and Archer.

      December 14, 2012 at 11:44PM EST
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    Rick James

    Archer, Black Dynamite, Boardwalk Empire, Game of Thrones, Justified! C'mon!

    December 15, 2012 at 12:39AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Rick James Oh, and House of Lies!

      December 15, 2012 at 12:41AM EST
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    Mike

    Very good list, but I think a few shows were left out. Here is my top ten.

    10. New Girl
    9. Homeland
    8. Community
    7. Game of Thrones
    6. Boardwalk Empire
    5. Justified
    4. Louie
    3. Parks & Recreation
    2. Breaking Bad
    1. Mad Men

    December 15, 2012 at 1:01AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Guest

    Another TV critic afraid of Matthew Weiner.

    December 15, 2012 at 2:19AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Ian Whitcombe Alan doesn't get screeners, and he could probably live with not being able to interview him again...what could Weiner possibly do to him?

      December 15, 2012 at 2:34AM EST
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      ed w Ian - Has he said he doesn't get screeners of Mad Men?

      December 15, 2012 at 4:52AM EST
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      Ian Whitcombe Ummm, Ed... he's mentioned it several times, it is why he obviously doesn't post his review two minutes after airtime that he does with the shows he does get early.

      December 15, 2012 at 12:07PM EST
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