Season premiere review: 'Community' - 'History 101': Everything is just fyne
Dean Pelton hosts his own 'Hunger Games' as the study group returns for senior year
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"Community" is back for a new season. I published my review of the start of the post-Dan Harmon era this morning, and I have specific thoughts on the premiere coming up just as soon as you waive the tomfoolery prerequisite...
Of the two season 4 episodes sent out for advance review, "History 101" was definitely the stronger one. It has a clear idea of what it wants to be about, how it's going to address both the regime change and the start of what will be senior year for most of the study group. And some of those ideas work fairly well.
Andy Bobrow's script embraces the skepticism about Harmon's absence head-on, with Abed's "happy place" seeming like everything the @GuarascioPort parody Twitter account promised. The format's suddenly multi-cam, the laughtrack is cranked up to 11, the jokes are stupid(*), and Fred Willard is playing Pierce.(**) The fantasy versions of Troy and Abed even can tell something is wrong, and Abed's fear of change gets to comment on both what the characters and the show are going through.
(*) Though oddly, the cadence of a lot of the AbedTV dialogue isn't that much different from how the characters speak otherwise. There are general differences in the rhythms of single-cam versus multi-cam, but not always. (I've often said that a lot of "Modern Family" dialogue could be placed in a multi-cam script without tweaking.)
(**) Given the longtime antipathy between Chevy Chase and the rest of the cast and crew (which culminated in Chevy's exit before this season was completed), I imagine all involved might have been happier if Willard had always been Pierce.
So I liked that aspect of the premiere, and the "Community" version of "Muppet Babies" as the happy place within the happy place made me smile. But other parts just seemed half-baked.
When I interviewed Port & Guarascio, we talked specifically about The Hunger Deans, and Guarascio said the idea was never to do a straight-up parody of "The Hunger Games," but just to give the Dean an excuse for some spectacle and some new gowns — that Pelton wouldn't really know enough about the real thing to get it right. And I can see the point of that, but that turned a great chunk of the premiere into something that was neither fish nor fowl. When "Community" does pop culture pastiche, what makes it work is how specific it tends to be. Megan Ganz's love and knowledge of "Law & Order" shone through every frame of "Basic Lupine Urology." Both "Modern Warfare" and "A Fistful of Paintballs" demonstrate a similar command of the source material, even as they function on their own terms for the people who haven't seen "The Killer" or "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly." This was just a bunch of people running around in weird athletic competitions, while Pierce struggled to come up with a good ball-related joke. It had the weirdness of a "Community" high-concept episode without the execution to make the idea worth trying.
The show's season premieres in general have never been its strongest episodes, but it's clear that everyone involved tried very hard to put their best foot forward, knowing the scrutiny the first episode made without Harmon would get. And "History 101" isn't bad, but it feels... off. And flat, even with all the craziness happening in and around the cafeteria.
Some other thoughts:
* History tells us that Chevy Chase is a very difficult person to work with. That said, there have been Pierce stories (if you can call them that) over the years that have definitely spoken to the frustration Chase very vocally felt with this role. There are times when Pierce is well integrated into the group and their stories, and other times like this where he exists entirely on the margins for a joke about how classless and out of touch he is.
* Troy and Britta are now actually dating, but this script focuses much more on the frustration Troy feels about her than the attraction. It's a tricky balance, because Troy complaining about Britta is a huge source of comedy ("You're the AT&T of people!"), yet you don't want people to be constantly questioning why he's with her.
* Port and Guarascio noted that Chang was one of the biggest problems Harmon left for them to deal with, and we see the first baby step of how he might return to Greendale with our glimpse of him naked, carrying the note, "Hello, my name is Kevin. I have Changnesia."
* The prank subplot had a nice payoff towards the end when Pelton complained that someone moved his stapler, but until then, Annie was being written as too sheltered and repressed. She's been at Greendale — and participating in hijinks led by one or more of Jeff, Troy and Abed — for three years now, yet she seemed much more like the Annie from the start of the series.
Okay, that's me. What did everybody else think? Did "History 101" live down to your worst fears about life without Harmon, did it fill you with hope that the show can be just fine this year, or did it fall somewhere in the middle?
Alan Sepinwall may be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com
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Next 130 CommentsMike
February 7, 2013 at 9:36PM EST Reply to CommentWhy didn't they just get to of Chang for this season?
Mike *rid of Chang
February 7, 2013 at 9:37PM ESTsepinwall Because Ken Jeong is a very funny (and easy to get along with) man who remains very famous from The Hangover films, even if Community has often struggled to know what to do with him/Chang.
February 7, 2013 at 9:41PM ESTRicardo Yes, but Chang is a terrible character. Ken Jeong may be funny, but he's not been funny on "Community" for a very long time. Season One perhaps?
February 10, 2013 at 8:39PM ESTThis Community is just plain bad. If this is the "stronger one" of the bunch, the show is in real trouble.
Ricardo * he hasn't been funny
February 10, 2013 at 8:40PM ESTSterling Mallory Archer
February 7, 2013 at 9:37PM EST Reply to CommentI was just excited to hear Troy say, "Star Wars, thumb wars, OH MY GOD, STORAGE WARS!".
SlackerInc Love that, and it is exhibit A to challenge people who claim the tone or style or wit has changed so much from the Harmon years.
February 8, 2013 at 1:43PM ESTJoyeful
February 7, 2013 at 9:40PM EST Reply to CommentI still had quite a few laugh-out-loud moments...but I agree, it's a little off.
My problem with this episode is exactly what you've said, Alan. Community's parodies & homages to single pop-culture events have been great in the past because they've been so detailed and so specific in their execution of the parody. My Dinner with Andre, Apocalypse Now: Redux, Law & Order - their parodies all worked because they nailed every aspect of them. The Hunger Games parody they did tonight seemed like more of a "clever" way to keep the story going rather than the foundation of it.
To rephrase, it was like instead of: "Let's do an episode like the Hunger Games - how do we tell a story like that?", it was "let's tell a story and throw in the Hunger Games."
Matt H. My thinking is that maybe NBC wanted them to parody something more recognizable in hopes of boosting ratings... and the writers didn't really want to do a parody of something as obvious and boring as The Hunger Games. It's briefly mentioned at the beginning and that's it. It's ludicrous to even call it a parody, and it's not really an homage. It's just a namecall to something people recognize for the purpose of setting up the story of Jeff trying to get everyone into the History of Ice Cream so he can graduate.
February 7, 2013 at 9:44PM ESTJonas.Left I thought their best parodies were of genres rather than specific films. Modern Warfare has more references than I can recognize and because of that it rewards multiple viewings. I liked them all, though. I just wish the zombie episode hadn't been part of the regular continuity.
February 7, 2013 at 10:01PM ESTgco211 Matt H. nailed it. It wasn't a parody or homage, it was a joke that led to a situation upon which the rest of the episode was based. Through that lens, it seems just fine as a Community episode goes. I think if Harmon had made this episode, this would not have been an issue.
February 8, 2013 at 12:07PM ESTJoyeful Fair enough, I agree - but I still think that Community has done better jobs even with those kinds of jokes. They're generally more pointed and purposeful. I thought this one just wasn't as sharp.
February 8, 2013 at 1:32PM ESTThat being said, I never said that I thought this was a shortcoming because Harmon wasn't there - Harmon produced episodes with flaws as well. I'm actually determined to be objective. This wasn't the best episode of Community, but it certainly wasn't the worst.
Matt H.
February 7, 2013 at 9:41PM EST Reply to CommentI don't think it felt flat at all. I promised my self the day after Harmon was fired that I would look at every episode wondering what he would have done differently, and I didn't even think of him a single time throughout this premiere. I thought it was extremely funny, employed most of the cast very well, and kept the weirdness, too ("While they were incepting I stole their balls!"). As solid a season premiere as any of the others were.
Matt H. *wouldn't look at every episode
February 7, 2013 at 9:52PM ESTSlackerInc Agreed!
February 8, 2013 at 12:21AM ESTMims Agreed. I liked it a lot.
February 8, 2013 at 2:26AM ESTjenfullmoon Me too. I can see what Alan's referring to, but upon watching the episode, I didn't really red flag much of anything. It was staying true to Community-style well enough for me to think, "Those guys are doing the best they can. They had wild shit going on and in general, I enjoyed it."
February 8, 2013 at 2:01PM ESTJaxemer11 I feel like the show was way to frenetic. That was a characteristic of Dan Harmon's Community, but he also took time to stop and let the characters (particularly Abed or Jeff) reflect on things and sort of tie everything together. Maybe I was just too tired when I watched it, but it seemed like everything was going 100 mph and there was never really a chance to tie everything together into a succinct "moral of the story" moment. Instead, the moral of the story was obvious from the beginning and not really that interesting or original. If Community was anything under Dan Harmon, it was unique and original.
February 10, 2013 at 10:17AM ESTjoel It certainly felt like they kept the weird, it just wasn't really that funny. I watched this knowning the history and hoping it would work, but it did feel like a pale imitation of a Community episode. I'm hoping this evens out. Even in the Harmon days there were lesser eps of Community that didn't work that well, so maybe this is just them easing into it.
February 18, 2013 at 3:03PM ESTvelocityknown
February 7, 2013 at 9:42PM EST Reply to CommentHunger Games storyline wasn't really doing it for me, but I think that's because they chose not to make it it's own "thing" a la Basic Lupine Urology or Fistful of Paintballs. I think when you do a half parody on a show like Community, it comes across as half-baked.
And if you have to have the showrunners tell you that it wasn't intended to be a full-blown parody/homage, then it's failed.
Other than that though, I see some glimpses of hope. I feel like the show has never really known what to do with Annie so her characterization here doesn't particularly trouble me and everything else was solid.
I like that in Abed's fantasy they replaced Pierce, if only they'd gotten Patrick Stewart instead of Fred Willard.
liz if only they'd gotten Bill Murray as replacement... that would have been beyond beyond meta
February 7, 2013 at 11:30PM ESTjenfullmoon I pretty much thought the way the showrunners did: the Dean wouldn't actually know enough about the Hunger Games to really, really stick to the premise. He just wants goofy games and a reason to wear a ballgown and dance with Jeff. So it didn't bother me.
February 8, 2013 at 2:02PM ESTjenfullmoon Plus, well, they've already done paintball and they can't actually go around killing off students or pulling off the technology of HG.
February 8, 2013 at 2:02PM ESTBrendan
February 7, 2013 at 9:49PM EST Reply to CommentIt's fan-fiction.
Glen
February 8, 2013 at 12:05AM ESTStrange, I've never seen fan fiction featuring the entire actual cast of the original along with many members of the actual same writing staff.
What fan fiction have you been watching and where can I see it?
ed w Yeah but then so have almost all Bond movies made in the last 25 years.
February 8, 2013 at 5:22AM ESTDan
February 7, 2013 at 9:49PM EST Reply to CommentIsn't Troy supposed to be in A/C school now?
Jonas.Left He quit after they wanted him to kill Dan Bakkedahl.
February 7, 2013 at 9:56PM ESTDavidW He didn't quit, he just used his clout as The Truest Repairman to make them less of an insular, all-consuming fraternity.
February 7, 2013 at 11:13PM ESTDan
February 7, 2013 at 9:49PM EST Reply to CommentIsn't Troy supposed to be in A/C school now?
srpad
February 7, 2013 at 9:49PM EST Reply to CommentI don't know if it was because I expected the worst based on the advance reviews but I liked this episode. Funny jokes, clever bits, the characters sounded like they should. What more could you want?
Matt_H That's how I felt. I came in braced for the worst, and it exceeded my expectations. Wasn't a great episode, but I enjoyed it.
February 8, 2013 at 10:03AM ESTTheonewhoknocks
February 7, 2013 at 9:50PM EST Reply to CommentFelt like community to me, thought it was a good episode and I'm a lot more optimistic about a post harmon world now.
TH
February 7, 2013 at 9:50PM EST Reply to CommentMaybe it's just the knowledge that the new guys are from "Happy Endings," but Annie felt a lot like Penny tonight - a comparison I wouldn't have made previously.
em she felt more like Alex to me. Much ditzier than Penny but still with a motormouth
February 7, 2013 at 11:31PM ESTBrubarian Thank you! After the 1st 5 minutes, I texted a friend saying "It's become a combination of our 2 favorite shows, Community & Happy Endings." It still has the crazy, meta humor of Community, but with certain timing aspects of Happy Endings.
February 8, 2013 at 1:18AM ESTTOHN Community and Happy Endings are my 2 favorite shows as well. If it wasn't for Happty Endings I would have been miserable during this Community hiatus.
February 8, 2013 at 12:26PM ESTRachelsf I'm surprised you're comparing it to Happy Endings without mentioning both shows using the exact same Real Genius popcorn prank!
February 9, 2013 at 5:45AM ESTchairthrower
February 7, 2013 at 9:53PM EST Reply to CommentIt wasn't the best episode of "Community" ever but it was good. It's impossible to compare it with a Dan Harmon-showran S4 episode because that doesn't exist. The messed up emotions of senior year were pervading this episode, and that would have changed the character of the show no matter who was making it. Overall, the show is still worth watching.
jenfullmoon Hear, hear!
February 8, 2013 at 2:04PM ESTJonas.Left
February 7, 2013 at 9:53PM EST Reply to CommentHowever off the show may be, I'm going to watch it. I've stuck with 13 years of not quite right Simpsons (with an occasional great episode). At this point, Community just means too much to me. I'm willing to take tthe good with bad.
Shannon
February 7, 2013 at 9:55PM EST Reply to CommentThis episode didn't really work for me. I think "flat" is the right word. I can't exactly pinpoint what was off, but none of the characters seemed entirely themselves. And I agree that if you're going to do pop culture references or parodies on Community, half-assing it is not an option.
Matt B
February 7, 2013 at 10:04PM EST Reply to CommentI enjoyed it.
I think there is some segment of the audience that would complain and hate the new episodes no matter what. It's best to just ignore that, and worry about if the episodes are enjoyable on their own or not.
SlackerInc Right. You could play a hilarious joke where you actually inserted a Dan Harmon written episode that had secretly been stored away in a vault, and people would complain that it wasn't the same without him. Damn fine episode IMO.
February 8, 2013 at 12:24AM ESTJoyeful I both agree and disagree :-)
February 8, 2013 at 12:46AM ESTI agree that there actually are people that will complain just because they can and will hate the new episodes just because Harmon's not attached.
That being said, I think it's reasonable to find flaws in a show regardless. I think some things in the episode didn't quite work, but I certainly don't think that it's because Harmon wasn't there - some of the episodes during his tenure were flawed as well. I'm trying to remain as objective as I can.
Matt_H Even if Harmon wrote an episode, as long as he's not there on set to give notes, not in the editing bay, it would still come out differently than if he was involved with every part of the process like he used to be.
February 8, 2013 at 10:09AM ESTBut this is what we have now, so there's no point speculating on what might have been. I'm just going to try to enjoy what we're getting on its own merits.
thejoshbaker
February 7, 2013 at 10:10PM EST Reply to CommentI'm way less concerned than I was this morning reading your review, Sepinwall. Maybe I should thank you for lowering my mental bar. I thought it was solid. Not pantheon, but it felt like Community.
SlackerInc Right, a solid median level episode.
February 8, 2013 at 12:26AM ESTStan
February 7, 2013 at 10:13PM EST Reply to CommentLike others, I thought it was pretty good. It's hard to really tell if things are "off" because even with Harmon in charge the show was inconsistent. We all remember the amazing episodes and forget how many episodes were good but maybe missed something here or there (just like tonight's episode.)
SlackerInc I agree, this one was better than many of the Harmon episodes. It may be the case that they cannot equal the genius of the best Harmon episodes, but even still I would watch the shit out of this show forever if it stayed at this level.
February 8, 2013 at 12:28AM ESTJared K Agreed. Without Harmon's guidance, Community may never be able to hit the highest of highs that it managed to attain with Modern Warfare, Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, Remedial Chaos Theory, and many other classics. However, it's not inconceivable that it could still remain a very good show if given time to find its new baseline. Tonight's episode was a step in that direction. A very obviously wobbly step, but still a funny one.
February 8, 2013 at 1:54PM ESTI know that most of us have been pessimistic about the possibility of a 5th season, but given that the ratings for last night were actually far better than most NBC comedies have been pulling recently, it could very well end up happening. Guarascio and Port are smart comedy guys. If they get a chance to make more episodes that won't be produced in a vacuum (as these were) and are a year further removed from the turmoil surrounding Harmon's exit, I think that they can figure out their own strengths and weaknesses in this world and build a solid, if not brilliant version of this show around these characters that we all love.
Bottom line: I'm a long way from giving up on this show.
Dan
February 7, 2013 at 10:13PM EST Reply to CommentAlan, I totally agree with this review. Annie's dialogue was especially bothersome. It felt too much like Penny from Happy Endings, right down to several shortened words ("whateve!"). I couldn't get past it.
TH And "Semest...er."
February 7, 2013 at 10:16PM ESTJeff G
February 7, 2013 at 10:23PM EST Reply to CommentAgreed about the Hunger Games. Kindof shocked how clearly they've missed the mark on what the show does. They just mixed it in there as 1 of 4 different storylines. It's like they threw a bunch of Community type stuff at the wall and hoped that some of it stuck.
The real show would've gone in on the Hunger Games 100% and now I wish I could've seen a Harmon version of it. I was expecting a spectacle like paint ball, not some lame obstacle course they threw together.
That said, it's still the characters that I love and had some laugh out loud moments. But, disappointing to see how jarring the change is already.
amg "It's like they threw a bunch of Community type stuff at the wall and hoped that some of it stuck."
February 7, 2013 at 10:54PM ESTYes. This. 1000 percent.
Hank Scorpio Agree that it was a pastiche of various Community tropes, but I can't really imagine Harmon going for a Hunger Games parody - way too commercial and obvious. I'm a bit worried that the Dean, as much as I love him, got way too much screen time.
February 8, 2013 at 1:25AM ESTAlso, what's up with bringing back a bunch of minor characters to do almost nothing? I notice Annie Kim, Fat Neil, will have to go for a second viewing to remember the others.
Bryan
February 7, 2013 at 10:33PM EST Reply to CommentI thought it was a very funny episode (though my particular love of Muppet Babies may have sold me even more on this episode).
What I don't understand is why everyone is treating this episode as a parody of The Hunger Games. To me, the Hunger Games portion of the episode was more analogous to the Pulp Fiction parts of Critical Film Studies. The typical parodies (such as Basic Lupine Urology or Modern Warfare) don't typically call attention to what they are parodying - They merely expect the viewer to catch on (or tip it off in the episode title). The fact is that we don't see much of The Hunger Deans. It could really just be any competition that Dean Pelton puts together. I haven't seen or read The Hunger Games, but knowing what I know about it, it doesn't seem like American Gladiators-style activities are really what the books are about.
If anything, I would describe this more as a send-up of multi-camera sitcoms, and I think the episode nailed a lot of details of such shows. It may have been even funnier knowing that this was up against The Big Bang Theory (though a lot of this episode reminded me more of 2 Broke Girls, and why that show is particularly bad).
Bryan Also, the popcorn in the car thing must have been tossed around the Happy Endings writers' room for a while, because it seems like a fairly unique prank and both shows pulled it off this season (though this episode was supposed to air prior to the Happy Endings version, which was a stronger prank).
February 7, 2013 at 10:41PM ESTSeth Davis I figured the popcorn in the car thing was an homage to Real Genius.
February 8, 2013 at 7:50AM ESTghoti Popcorn in the car is a very common prank. Shirley isn't that creative. It happens between teammates on sports teams all the time.
February 8, 2013 at 10:28AM ESTJon, The Earl of Hamm Sandwich I strongly agree, people are going way overboard on this Hunger Games thing, particularly for the exact reasons you mentioned. I thought it was an extremely strong episode of Community that I would put against any episode of current "IT" comedies like New Girl and Happy Endings. I get the sense that a lot of Alan's dismissiveness is based on his dislike of whatever second episode he saw, so it will be interesting to see how the other dozen go
February 8, 2013 at 1:15PM ESTKatofAsgard I think that a huge amount of the reason that everybody viewed this as a Hunger Games parody was because of the way that NBC chose to advertise it. The "Epic" trailer, for example, heavily implied that it was going to be a full on parody, which it wasn't, and it wasn't meant to be either.
February 8, 2013 at 8:14PM ESTI think it's much more likely that the writers thought of it as a small gag, and then the people putting together the ads saw it as an opportunity for a wider appeal, and ran about ten miles too far with it.
Bob
February 7, 2013 at 10:46PM EST Reply to CommentThe dean had popcorn come out of his pants at the end - she didn't just move his stapler, it was his car she and Shirley put the seeds into and started popping. Think you missed that.
amg
February 7, 2013 at 10:53PM EST Reply to CommentWow, I thought that was pretty terrible. I'm surprised to see other's positive reactions. I was sad to read Alan's review that the show just wasn't quite what it used to be; as I had actually had decent hope that at least some community under new folks would be better than no community at all. I figured it wouldn't hit the peaks of brilliance as before, but that it would be decent.
I thought this was a mess, and it just didn't feel like community at all to me. Maybe its because I can imagine a full episode multi-cam paraody that could have been actually funny (like when Scrubs did it) and short of that it just felt like an example of how bad the show would be now. I honestly thought a lot of the "real show" part felt only slightly improved over the hacky multi-cam parody stuff. (For instance how it felt like they were over using the dean making every word "something-dean". I would agree that the muppet babies part did hit the mark; but that was all that resonated AS community at all to me. (A full episode of the group as muppet babies, especially under Harmon, would have been awesome!) The wish scene, the weird competitions, the tango--were all just that; weird. And not weird in the awesome good kind of way.
I really wanted to like this season in its own way. I really wanted Alan to have been wrong; or as a person who is not a tv-critic, and who genuinely liked a lot of the first season eps, and took a bit to warm to the more experimental ones--that it would be funnier to me than him. But this was worst than I expected. And to hear that this was the stronger one, is even more disappointing.
If the ousting of Harmon was in anyway to bring the show more mainstream success, this definitely not that. Its just as wacky and crazy to a non-viewer. And, for me at least, now lacks what made it great. I'm bummed. This was a great show. I hope at least a few of the eps to come will get closer to the magic that was...
sjwoo Well put, AMG -- I agree with you wholeheartedly. For me, the episode boils down to this: the post-Harmon episode was not as funny nor as smart. Granted, there were episodes during the Harmon years that weren't perfect, but wow, this was just nothing like what we've been watching for the last three years.
February 8, 2013 at 12:23AM ESTThe writer of this episode, Andy Bobrow, wrote Basic Rocket Science back in season 2. It was apparently his first credit. Just thinking of that episode makes what I just watched all the worse.
I never thought I'd say such a thing, but I almost wish the show would've been cancelled.
SlackerInc You can't really argue taste, but I can't help but wonder if you would have seen a secretly shelved episode from last season (of average quality for that season) and not known it was a Harmon creation, if you would just say the same thing. (It would have been genius for NBC to save an episode for just that purpose.)
February 8, 2013 at 12:35AM ESTCinemaPsycho Hmmm. I didn't totally hate it, but you can't deny that it definitely FEELS different from the Harmon era. It's impossible not to see that. The pacing of the scenes and the rhythms of the dialogue are very different now. You would have to be not paying attention at all not to notice that, whether you still find the show funny or not. I would never have mistaken this episode for a Harmon episode.
February 8, 2013 at 2:57AM ESTHaving said that, I also found the humor much more literal-minded and obvious than in the Harmon years. Abed watches a lot of TV, so naturally his "happy place" is a traditional laugh-track sitcom!! Then the happy place within the happy place is a Saturday morning cartoon where the characters are all babies like Muppet Babies! Come on, would Harmon EVER have gone there? I found it painful to watch. Abed would at least imagine the characters as an Inspector Spacetime-style sci-fi show, or something cool like that. I did get a few laughs out of other parts of the episode, but to call it "off" was an understatement. I do hope the season improves as it goes on, but this was a disappointment at best.
Kata Slackering: I think it's pretty unfair of you to assume that others are just determined to find fault. Just because you disagree doesn't invalidate others' opinions. AMG and other here make some solid points, these aren't people throwing a tantrum.
February 8, 2013 at 10:27AM ESTAMG: I agree, especially with what you say about the fake show/real show thing. There wasn't enough contrast. In Abed's version some of the jokes were pretty funny. I wasn't sure whether I was meant to laugh at the actually-pretty-good-script or laugh at the implied crapness of this version. Like the Hunger Games bit, the idea wasn't developed. It's very presence seemed to BE the joke and it never developed to a payoff.
I'd have preferred, for instance, the whole episode to be Abed's ulti-cam version of the show with it gradually becoming clear that this is happening in his head. I like the parodyception thing of his imagined self imagining further parodies and would love to have seen that fully played out (Muppet Baby Abed imagines NYPD Blue Abed imagines Sherlock Abed etc etc) so at the end he has to come back through all those layers... and it would be fun to only then to get a glimpse of what had been going on in 'reality' - the wreckage of what had obviously been a Hunger Games style showdown, without any real explanation...
It's not that the elements weren't fun, they just needed developing into something more of a story than just random stuff that didn't go much of anywhere.
sjwoo @SLACKERINC -- I'd be lying if I said the same thought didn't cross my mind. Was I somehow actively making this worse than it actually was? I'll never know, but you know what I do know? That comedy is a very sensitive, very fragile thing. When I'm not in a good mood and I see a comedy, there's about 99% chance that I won't laugh as hard or find things that might be funny not to be funny. This is not the case with drama -- when something's sad and presented with reasonable aptitude, it's sad.
February 8, 2013 at 12:34PM ESTLet's also not forget that these actors were also feeling it, you know? They're pros, the best at what they do (e.g., is there anyone who cries funny better than Donald Glover?), but they must've also been filled with doubts. They're doing the best they can with what they have -- something they never had to contend with, because what they've always had was from the mind of Harmon.
One thing that really bothered me about the episode was the transition between the real world and Abed TV (the wormhole animation + Danny Pudi's face in Abed-in-trance mode). It just felt so clunky, and Pudi's reaction shots were just so...unimaginative. And it's not Danny's fault. It's the writing. It always comes back to the writing.
SlackerInc "I didn't totally hate it, but you can't deny that it definitely FEELS different from the Harmon era."
February 8, 2013 at 1:57PM ESTI can and do deny it. You are entitled to your own feelings, but to me it does not feel different from an average Harmon episode.
"It's impossible not to see that."
Apparently, it IS possible, and I am living proof.
"You would have to be not paying attention at all not to notice that"
No, because I WAS paying attention, I have seen every episode of Community, and I paid attention to all of them. You seem unable to grasp, or unwilling to accept, that not everyone is necessarily going to have the same reaction as you do, even if we have functioning grey matter between our ears and are paying full attention to what transpires onscreen.
Just so you know SlackerInc, repeatedly using that same counterfactual will not make it a clever, winning argument.
February 9, 2013 at 2:15AM ESTSlackerInc JSYK: The logical assumption would be that you were replying to the comment of mine directly above yours. But that comment contains no counterfactual, so you must be referring to my earlier one upthread: In which case, you are at least partly right: the number of times my counterfactual is repeated has no bearing on its validity or veracity. But that goes both ways: its being repeated does not reduce the likelihood that it is valid--it either is, or it is not.
February 9, 2013 at 3:40AM ESTI would also pose the question: does the camp with the countervailing opinion also only get one bite at the apple? If not, that seems a bit unfair, no?
Speaking of unfairness, one more point occurred to me: you only know that I have repeated the counterfactual because I always use the same identity when posting here. (As opposed to, say, someone who creates a different screen name to be cute every time they want to accentuate a snarky point.)
Good day, Sir/Madam. (I said good day!)
Jaxemer11 I agree completely. I really wanted to like this, and was willing to give the new showrunners a chance (and still am ... the deserve some time to get it right), but it just felt like a cheap imitation of Community to me, while missing the elements that made Community wonderful in the past.
February 10, 2013 at 10:32AM ESTFor example, what did anyone besides Abed learn in this episode? Abed learned that everyone loved him and we learned that he was afraid of losing his friends after graduation, but that was neither surprising or really very interesting. What did we learn about anyone else? What did they learn about themselves or about life? To me, that is the essence of Community. The parodies and pop culture references are great, but they were always used to teach the character or the audience an interesting lesson that usually wasn't discovered until the last few minutes of the show. I didn't get any of that out of this episode.
ChampSkins
February 7, 2013 at 11:51PM EST Reply to CommentNot as bad as I was expecting. Truthfully, that show right there would still be one of the 2-3 funniest network comedies right now. This show has too much of a die-hard quirky following to ever live up to the Harmon-era, so it basically is what it is now.
Lee Harvey I fall somewhere in the middle. I was so glad the show was back, but from what I'd read, was expecting the worst. Turns out, I liked this episode. Sure, it felt different and not everything worked (Troy and Britta), but enough did work to satisfy me. Worried about next week's show, though.
February 8, 2013 at 1:49AM ESTMike
February 8, 2013 at 12:28AM EST Reply to CommentEven if it felt a little flat, or off, or something--which it did, I think--it's still one of the only shows on TV that can do a cartoon inside a multi-cam inside a single-cam. I'm glad Community is back, and is at least trying to be as audacious as ever.
SlackerInc *One* of the only? What are the other ones, and what days and times are they on? I will set my DVR right now.
February 8, 2013 at 12:38AM ESTBenjamin
February 8, 2013 at 12:55AM EST Reply to CommentI actually liked this premier episode more than the season 2 or 3's premier. I always thought those episodes "tried too hard." I thought this was much more consistent season premier when compared with the others. Yes, some portions were flat. But so were some Harmon episodes. (KFC space program anyone?) I was pleasantly surprised and entertained by this one.
Jon, The Earl of Hamm Sandwich I'm with you Ben. I'm thoroughly convinced that the tone of the negative comments is 90% due to bias of being aware of Harmon's exit. I went in skeptical as well but the TEAM here nailed it.
February 8, 2013 at 1:37PM ESTgeoff_rose
February 8, 2013 at 1:00AM EST Reply to CommentGlad for the meta remaining (they'll probably tune it down in later eps), but also for the brief spots where the characters could have their moments. It was definitely scattered in its focus, but there was a lot of groundwork laid for potential plots throughout the season.
I'll be interested to watch this season and see how things end up, whether any kind of greater depth will still be in the larger story, but I know there'll be enough good jokes to laugh at.
Hank Scorpio
February 8, 2013 at 1:10AM EST Reply to CommentThe pacing seemed all wrong. Community always used to let stories breathe, but this one just kept churning through jokes and parodies without really focusing on any one in particular. If these guys had done remedial chaos theory, it would have lasted about five minutes.
That said, really enjoyed seeing these characters again. It's like a reunion with old friends at this point. You may not enjoy them as much, but you still have so many great memories together.
Jaxemer11 Yep ... exactly.
February 10, 2013 at 10:39AM ESTRocket
February 8, 2013 at 1:27AM EST Reply to CommentI generally liked it.
However, it did seem a little hectic, like they tried to fit too much stuff in. They tried to involve all the characters a one storyline or another, when maybe a tighter focus on the Jeff and Abed stories would've been more effective.
Still though, plenty of laughs. Not disappointed yet.
I'll be interested in the overnight ratings.
RD
February 8, 2013 at 2:15AM EST Reply to CommentI thought it was terrible. It felt just so.. different. And I can live with different if it was funny. But, I did not laugh once. Well, okay. I laughed once at Troy's facial expression of trying to get inside Abed's mind. But, other than that the episode just wasn't that good tonight. I expected some turbulence with the change. Hopefully it doesn't last very long.
Tedd
February 8, 2013 at 3:02AM EST Reply to CommentYou and Dan did a good job of lowering my expectations on FW&IB. I was actually pleasantly surprised. You're right that as an "episode" it didn't totally work, but enough of the jokes landed that I was okay with it.
If it wasn't for all the scrutiny, I think this would just settle in as a below-average episode. A few beats were weird, but in and of itself I don't see anything dire yet. Of course, if this is as good as any of the 13 episodes are, then we have a problem.
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