Season finale review: 'Homeland' - 'The Choice': This is your life
Carrie and Brody consider a future together, but how did the finale wrap things up?
Damian Lewis as Nicholas Brody on "Homeland."
A review of the "Homeland" season finale coming up just as soon as I apply to become your cabin boy...
"We came so close." -Brody
A year ago, the finale of "Homeland" season 1 came burdened with a perhaps unfair expectation from most of us. We had been so pleased with the season to that point, and yet so concerned that it could go astray at any moment, that all we wanted was for Gordon, Gansa and company to not screw it up.
Tonight, the finale of "Homeland" season 2 came burdened with a different kind of expectation. The last few episodes had been such a mess that the finale arrived with the show already screwed up, and now the hope was something much harder to achieve: we wanted "The Choice" to retroactively make the stupid parts of recent weeks somehow much less stupid.
And amazingly, it did accomplish that. The scene in Saul's office where Brody figures out what Nazir was really up to really did, in hindsight, make his plan make more sense. He needed Walden's death to be so stealthy, for instance, to set up the very public act of terror that's more his stock in trade. And he needed to make sure he died to ensure that the CIA dropped its guard entirely, which is why he suddenly turned into a slasher movie villain in the tunnels last week.
It was, all told, a much more clever plan than what we thought a week ago, though it still required a few major leaps in logic, like the combined security forces of the CIA and Secret Service not noticing that a car had randomly been parked right next to the room where Walden's memorial was being held. In the moment, though, as Brody started to recognize what had really happened, I smiled and said, "Of course!"
So on that level, "The Choice" did redeem a lot of recent silliness.
But I'm still not sure how satisfying a finale it was, because so much of it hung on a relationship I haven't felt emotionally connected to in quite some time.
Gansa and Gordon have talked a lot about how they wanted Brody to survive season 1 because his "doomed romance" with Carrie was something they wanted to explore more. The chemistry between Claire Danes and Damian Lewis is so often undeniable, but season 2 has been so all over the map in story and tone that by the time Brody was making bug eyes and preparing to murder the Vice-President to save his one true love, I had largely lost interest in the pairing.
Or maybe it's that Carrie and Brody are vastly more interesting when they're lying to each other and letting their respective agendas intermingle with their genuine feelings for one another than they are as a happy, open couple. The two of them being normal with each other feels so abnormal that I couldn't shake the feeling that the opening scenes back at the cabin from "The Weekend" were some kind of extended fantasy sequence, because there's just no way these two could be this at peace with one another. I'm usually the guy making the "Happy couples can be just as interesting as they were in the flirtation stage, dammit!" arguments, but this feels like an unusual case, because this isn't any kind of traditional romance show. It's a spy thriller with some romance grafted on involving two incredibly damaged human beings, and the damage is what makes it fit in with all the rest. The scenes at the cabin aren't exactly Happily Ever After — in fact, they're about these two trying to figure out if they're even capable of Happily Ever After — yet they're still relaxed enough together that I recognized almost at once that I had no interest in seeing them go off into the sunset together. The chemistry wasn't there anymore.
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In fact, pretty much every emotional response I had to the finale came not from Carrie struggling with her choice, or Brody preparing to say goodbye to his life, but to Saul "The Bear" Berenson. This was, in many ways, Mandy Patinkin's finest hour (plus) on the show, as he proved over and over that the quieter he gets, the stronger he gets. (He's like a bearded, Jewish inverse Hulk.) Over and over through the final stretch of "The Choice," it was the things Saul was doing, saying and reacting to that slayed me, from his paternal disgust with Carrie contemplating a life with Brody to the quiet hope in his voice as he leaves a message for a woman he very much doesn't want to be dead, to the mixture of joy and grief at hearing that this is what will bring his wife back to him, to the beautiful smile on his face when he sees Carrie Mathison standing in front of him. This is the "Homeland" relationship I am most invested in at this point, and also one that's built to last, story-wise, in a way that Carrie and Brody never could be. And if the season's more outlandish plot twists had ultimately hung on what would happen between the two of them rather than the doomed romance, I think I would feel more satisfied with it as a whole.
And speaking of the long haul, I couldn't help but notice that Brody is last seen alive and well, and somehow expecting to make a go of it as a fugitive, despite being the most infamous man in the world at the moment — not to mention someone who already had an enormous amount of celebrity due to his rescue and then ascension to VP-in-waiting. The writers could have killed Brody, but they didn't, presumably because they want to let this story play out some more, with Carrie working to clear her man's name and waiting for the day when they really can walk into the sunset together, rather than share a tearful goodbye on a fire road at the Canadian border in the dark of night. And maybe there can be some interesting material there along the way, depending on how prominent it is. As something Carrie's working on in the background while she and Saul move on to other business next season — with Lewis either not appearing at all or very sporadically — then it can work. But if the plan is to dive straight into Carrie's mission to save her man, and into what Brody is up to while he tries to stay hidden (I would suggest growing a beard, but the world has seen him that way, too), then that's just a show not being willing to let go of a character even if the story has moved beyond him.
When "Homeland" was good this season — the smiles that began and ended the year (one by Carrie, one by Saul), the interrogation, Carrie and Brody at the bar — it's remained one of the best shows on all of television. But ultimately, there were too many other moments that reminded me of all the things I had feared when I first watched that pilot. Some shows are built to run and run, and some aren't. Season 2 suggests that, at a minimum, "Homeland" isn't built that way if it's going to be perpetually about the life of Nicholas Brody.
Some other thoughts:
* Earlier this evening, I watched most of the interfaith prayer service in Newtown. This is not the place to discuss the terrible events of Friday morning, but the final third of "The Choice" couldn't help but echo what I'd seen at the service, as we got several different kinds of memorializing and praying, up through Saul reciting the traditional Jewish prayer of Kaddish while surveying all the body bags. And, in general, it's a lot harder to engage in the drama of fictional mass casualties three days after what happened in Connecticut. Not the show's fault, but very unfortunate timing.
* Given that the world understandably believes Brody was responsible for the bombing, how much guilt do you think Peter Quinn's going to be living if/when we see him next season? Felt almost odd that we didn't revisit Quinn post-bombing, given how his certitude that Brody wasn't a bad guy led to everything that followed. (Even though Brody didn't plant the bomb himself — Nazir's successor leaking the video to the news media makes it clear he was a patsy — if Quinn had killed him by the lake, his car wouldn't have had an excuse to be in the Langley parking lot in the first place.)
* Regardless of what the future holds for Nick Brody, are we more or less done with Dana and the others? Even with the hit-and-run, the milk temper tantrum and other goofiness, I really will miss Dana — her scenes with Brody and then the FBI agents were a reminder of how good Morgan Saylor can be when the character is being written well — but it feels like she and the others have no place on the show anymore.
* Speaking of the future, Alex Gansa and Howard Gordon will be doing a press conference call late tomorrow morning, Eastern time, and I'll be writing that up shortly after it's done. I'll be curious to hear what, if anything, they're willing to say about where they want the show to go now.
What did everybody else think?
Alan Sepinwall may be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com
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Next 317 CommentsDame Judi Dench
December 17, 2012 at 1:42AM EST Reply to CommentOh, my heart was fluttering. Loved it immensely. A tour-de-force finale.
tonight's finale was a huge improvement over the last two episodes (which given how awful last week's episode is not really saying much). i'm very conflicted. as Carrie said, it's complicated. oy.
December 17, 2012 at 5:13AM ESTthe whole time watching the finale i was thinking how this was "the Relationship Episode" -- so many two-shots and long conversations.... some of them were fabulous (the Carrie-Saul one in the lobby especially: Wow!), others were full of lines that i yelled out loud because they were so twee and on the nose. then others felt Important -- smart Dana finally figuring out her father's role in at least part of this.
i had a hard time giving Brody a pass here for much of it, left me shaking my head. the image of Brody murdering how many people in cold blood (Tom Walker, the Tailor, the VP) means to me he's a murder. no question. even if the last one was done for love (?!?).
so his proclamations that now he's going to be unicorns and rainbows now is ridiculous and irrelevant. and disingenuous.
regarding the bombing scene / mass casualties, yes, very unfortunate timing. i trust this will be addressed in today's interview, Alan.
i noticed that in this finale they shot the bombing here to evoke 9/11 visually. the body bag scene and Saul doing the prayer -- after watching the Newtown interfaith prayers tonight and being surprised the Kaddish wasn't the prayer said there, well i guess it was said today after all.
Darkdoug You have a problem with the guy killing...a terrorist who had held a gun to his minutes before & was clearly ready, willing and able to murder him at the command of a terrorist leader...a maker of suicide bomber vests...and a mass-murdering politician who was also engaged in a criminal conspiracy to conceal his murder of 80+ children? The whole love angle actually cheapens that last one, because as Brody admitted to Walden in his final moments, he really did want to see him dead. While the circumstances and particulars don't really justify his actions in each scene, as far as his choice of "victims" go, Brody is no more evil than Jack Bauer. And the tailor was hardly in cold-blood.
December 17, 2012 at 10:35AM ESTunclevanya Saul prayer was A+. That's Mandy's wheelhouse.
December 17, 2012 at 2:44PM ESTLet's hope for peace in 2013. Good job Alan. My name when you let me post is Unclevanya. Spend too much time trying to do this.
Cheers
Dame Judi Dench
December 17, 2012 at 1:43AM EST Reply to CommentOh, my heart was fluttering. I simply adored the finale. A fantastic capper to a hit-and-miss (but mostly hit) season, darlings.
MIke! heh, you confused "hit" and "miss".
December 17, 2012 at 1:52AM ESTDame Judi Dench I am not that good with American slang darling. Perhaps I was thinking of the Chloe Sevigny show Hit & Miss. My word, that was thrilling.
December 17, 2012 at 1:55AM ESTwaterboy100 No, he is saying that he didnt like the show. you didnt make a mistake
December 17, 2012 at 3:15AM ESTmrbilliam Ha! Does waterboy think you are actually Judi Dench?
December 17, 2012 at 10:57AM ESTDame Maggie Smith I daresay he is correct.
December 17, 2012 at 12:55PM ESTmiraclemet also the saying is "hit OR miss" one or the other, as in episodes are either great (hit) or they are really bad (miss) and rarely in between (ok).
December 18, 2012 at 9:41AM ESTkronicfatigue
December 17, 2012 at 1:44AM EST Reply to CommentSo a (reformed?) terrorist, who at one point was trying to kill the vice president, is in the room when the vice president dies and NOBODY finds that coincidence odd? Even though it happens at the exact moment his mentor, who he just spent 12 hours with, had just captured Carrie. And oh yeah, Brody and Carrie love each other, so maybe she was bait?!
Brody’s allowed to live b/c “he kept his word ever since we brought him in and threatened him”? What exactly did he do exactly? He outed the newswoman and…
WHow did Carrie and Brody get out w/o being seen? Doesn’t the CIA have cameras anywhere? Why did she think “nobody would believe him” considering only a select few even knew he was a terrorist in the first place?
What the heck was the point of the hit and run?
Who’s NOT going to recognize Brody in Canada?
How can Carrie get her job back considering she’s still crazy AND she’s disobeyed every order ever given to her by her superiors? When Brody’s body is not found, and Carrie can’t explain her absence, and everyone knows she was in love with Brody, how will she not wind up in a cell for aiding and abetting?
When will Carrie be debriefed on her capture by Nazir? Or is “I got lucky” going to be the extent of that?
Where does she get all her cars?
In a recent interview the writer compared Carrie to Jack Bauer, but would Jack ever fall in love with a terrorist? This feels very misogynistic that a female CIA agent is only good as long as she doesn’t fall in love with the terrorist.
Dame Judi Dench Oh my dear, perhaps they did not read the New York Times article about pacemakers being triggered from afar. And I imagine some of your questions will be answered next season. Cheers!
December 17, 2012 at 1:50AM ESTTL Let it go already. What's done is done. And who knows, maybe some of those questions will be answered next season. It's not like this was a series finale.
December 17, 2012 at 1:50AM ESTJaxemer11 This one is just too obvious to ignore. I mean who are these people? It is one thing that they stopped their surveillance of him after they get Roya, but to not even think twice when the Vice President practically dies in his arms?
December 17, 2012 at 2:09AM ESTAdelep Kronicfatigue, I agree with almost everything you said, and when Carrie was driving Brody to the border, I actually said out loud, "Where does she get all those cars?"
December 17, 2012 at 5:29AM ESTDan Jack Bauer did fall in love with a terrorist (unknowingly)
December 17, 2012 at 8:30AM ESTsally People are in Gitmo for far less. The writers jumped the shark this season and I had so hoped they would redeem themselves in the finale. They did not.
December 17, 2012 at 8:43AM ESTJesse Agree with many of the issues you raise. Also, to your point about cameras in the parking lot at Langley, wouldn't they show that someone else moved Brody's car? Maybe that doesn't completely exonerate him, but it changes the equation quite a bit.
December 17, 2012 at 9:24AM ESTHellawakens23 She got her SUV from Dexter...Seems it was also a Ford.
December 17, 2012 at 6:19PM ESTTL
December 17, 2012 at 1:47AM EST Reply to CommentI don't know, part of me still thinks that Brody was playing Carrie and got away with it scott free. Who's to say he didn't play the patsy and will be picked up by Nazir's successor while floating in international waters?
nat Except that would be a ludicrous creative decision that would totally overwrite the emotional resolution to this season.
December 17, 2012 at 2:53AM ESTahorwitt
December 17, 2012 at 1:49AM EST Reply to CommentAlan, the possibility is left wide open that Brody DID plant the bomb and WAS in on the plot. Not sure why you assert so strongly that that didn't happen. Haven't read enough paranoid spy thrillers?
Steven Because that didn't happen.
December 17, 2012 at 1:50AM ESThttp://www.sho.com/sho/homeland/home
Check out the behind the scenes video for the finale.
ahorwitt Not only was the plot successful, but now he's got a mole at the top of the CIA in Carrie. And of course there's the Nazir body double possibility too -- he had zero dialogue last episode, we didn't even get to hear if his voice was the same. Trust me, we'll revisit both of these in season 3...
December 17, 2012 at 1:51AM ESTnat I think you're on to something, but don't forget the possibility that the Brody who returned from Iraq was actually a clone, and that the real Brody will only make his first appearance in season 3.
December 17, 2012 at 2:58AM ESTahorwitt Har har Nat, but actually a body double would be more realistic than half the twists this season, since they were actually used by Saddam Hussein in real life.
December 17, 2012 at 9:46AM ESTlillie Agree with that possibility.... Brody may have known when the bomb was going off because he nodded to Carrie to leave the room the funeral service was in.
December 17, 2012 at 3:00PM ESTPost a comment...
December 21, 2012 at 7:46AM ESTJaxemer11
December 17, 2012 at 1:49AM EST Reply to CommentBrody didn't suddenly realize it. Brody was in on it from the beginning. That seems pretty obvious. Obviously Nazir gave Brody an assignment. He didn't just let Brody walk away for no reason after their meeting. We don't know what that assignment was, but it would just be way to cute for Brody to have not been a part of this, given his central role in how everything went down.
And he just coincidentally motions for Carrie to meet him outside during the memorial? Come on.
ahorwitt If Brody is bad, the show is still wildly implausible, but at least clever in making the whole second half of this season a misdirection. If Brody is good, the show is just dopey, for all the reasons you mention and many more.
December 17, 2012 at 1:58AM ESTM.A.Peel I agree. I'm watching it a second time. When Carrie declares she wants a life with him in the office, and they start kissing, Brody looks distressed. Carrie says, "Why the sad look?" Brody: "It's not sad, it's the opposite of sad." But it wasn't. It was the mask slipping a bit, him feeling terrible about how he's using her while he does have some feelings for her.
December 17, 2012 at 2:01AM ESTThe whole stagged maneuvering so that he could look at the window is also a tip-off that he's folding the assignment. Saul is right .
Enforcer Carrie motioned to him yo.
December 17, 2012 at 2:04AM ESTJoe Schop I saw it as Carrie motioning to him. It's unclear if Brody was in on it - as per the intention of the writing.
December 17, 2012 at 2:15AM ESTJerseyRudy They did leave it somewhat ambigious, but it does not make sense that Brody knew about the bombing. It was Carrie who signaled to Brody that they leave. If not for that Brody would have been sitting there calmly as both he and Carrie were blown up (when he was about to blow everyone up in last season's finale he was visibly nervous and sweating). The key scene was the one between Brody and Dana. We know from the season 1 finale that Dana is the one person that Brody cannot lie to about his true feelings. Their scene in this episode compared to their scene in last season's finale shows that Brody this time was not hiding anything from Dana and was being sincere when he tells her that he would not do what he almost did last season.
December 17, 2012 at 2:36AM ESTI was a proponent of the theory that Brody was planning a big attack with Nazir. But I think this episode makes that extremely unlikely. I have already heard Alex Gansa give an interview after this episode and he says that this theory was obliterated by the events in this episode.
Jaxemer11 If Brodie wasn't in on it, then I like it even less. Way too many coincidences.
December 17, 2012 at 2:37AM ESTHere's another one: What was the deal with Brodie telling Mike to continue taking care of his family? That was pretty ominous. It's one thing to say, "I know you are in love with my wife ... you have my permission to sleep with her" or "You have been a great father figure for my kids and I want you to continue to be in their lives." But saying "continue to take care of them, because I can't do it right now" suggests that Brody knew something was going to happen that would keep him from being with his family ... or even from supporting them financially.
Jaxemer11 I don't think Carrie motioned to him. He was the one staring her down.
December 17, 2012 at 2:38AM ESTJerseyRudy They were looking at each other. He shakes his head when Estes talks about the drone strikes in his speech honoring Walden. At that point Carrie makes a motion with her head while looking at Brody indicating that she wants to leave, Brody nods his head yes, and Carrie gets up to leave. She initiated it.
December 17, 2012 at 2:53AM ESTC Seems like a big part of lifting Brody via chopper was to get his car, strap a bomb to it and have someone move it and blow it up at the memorial service. Nazir knew that even if he was dead, like he told Carrie, his side of this battle would never relent.
December 17, 2012 at 4:04AM ESTJ. Steed @M.A. Peel
December 17, 2012 at 5:03AM ESTDo you mind if I call you Mrs. Peel?
Huell Goodman That the bomb hidden in Gettysburg seemed pretty darn big. How would they have hidden something of that size and weight in Brody's car with any expectation that he wouldn't notice it?
December 17, 2012 at 8:57AM ESTSo, the CIA parking lot was so secure that they needed Brody's clearance to get a vehicle into the lot, yet some random terrorist was able to sneak in and move the car? And this was right in the middle of the ceremony, when any activity in the lot would have been highly noticeable.
the_wire30 Carrie did motion Brody to leave, but that doesn't matter. I'm leaning towards Brody being in on it and if that's the case, I have no doubt he would have no problem blowing up with the rest of that group. He would view himself as a martyr. Dying for the cause is a bridge he crossed a long time ago. I think Brody knows SOMETHING big, he isn't 100% clean, but that something will only be revealed once we get the inevitable flashback of Brody in Nazir's captivity.
December 17, 2012 at 12:03PM ESThellawakens It would have been nice to see how they left the CIA HQ with out anyone noticing after the bombing? Was there a car outside the HQ or did they simply just drive out with no one stopping them or police arriving keeping everyone in for question etc?
December 17, 2012 at 6:43PM ESTTMW There's still a mole in the CIA, who could have had a part in moving the car. Also, the case in Gettysburg contained C4 plastic explosive, not a "bomb" - that could have been used to line the inside of Brody's SUV...
December 18, 2012 at 5:10PM ESTKen Scott
December 17, 2012 at 1:55AM EST Reply to CommentI was definitely on the edge of my seat throughout the episode but I think KRONICFATIGUE speaks for me and many other viewers. There are just too many things that dont make sense. I agree it was on its face a great scene to see the relief on Saul's face when he realizes that Carrie is alive, but what about 2 seconds later when he is going to realize that she aided Brody.
Even if Brody had 0 to do with this, Carrie is doing so much wrong here, how are we supposed to root for her, for them? We cant. I never could.
Season 3, seems like it will be season 2 and a half because we havent really come to any conclusions yet about Brody. Unless of course he is living in the woods and in seclusion. There were so many plot opportunities to move on from here and they just kept it going. WHY!!
Jaxemer11
December 17, 2012 at 1:55AM EST Reply to CommentIt was the romance that completely ruined this season for me (and I hope it doesn't ruin next season too). I just cannot believe Carrie would fall for this guy. What was so wonderful about the first season was that, while there was chemistry between the two and some sexual tension, we KNEW Carrie was acting. Carrie despised this guy. And now we are supposed to believe she is head over heels for him after becoming 100% that he tried to blow up the Vice President? And after knowing that he basically assassinated the Vice President? I just can't buy it ... it isn't in her character. That is why the season failed for me and why the finale was a failure for me. The Carrie of season 1.5 would have shot Brodie after the bomb. I don't really see anything that happened that should have changed that in the last six episodes.
kronicfatigue Yeah, wow, I never even really put that together, but you're right. She was acting in season 1, and then they never really explained when that flipped. There was always "chemistry" for the viewer, but it was never supposed to be sincere. Or at least there should be conflict with his terroristic nature. He went from potential terrorist to actual one when he killed the VP. And I was really hoping Carrie would shoot him square in the head after the bomb. That would have redeemed the character.
December 17, 2012 at 2:02AM ESTJerseyRudy The weekend that Carrie and Brody spend together at her cabin in season 1 was supposed to be sincere. There was always the element of them playing each other, as there was this season as well, but when Carrie and Brody make love in season 1 there is no doubt that it was sincere. And Carrie knows that the only reason Brody gave Nazir the serial number for Walden's pacemaker is so that she could go free, so in her mind Brody is not culpable in Walden's death.
December 17, 2012 at 2:45AM ESTI have lots of problems with the plot this season, but I think the show has always done a good job of showing why and how Carrie and Brody have this genuine connection.
Jaxemer11 Brody obviously doesn't think he killed Brody to save Carrie. He enjoyed every second of watching Walden die.
December 17, 2012 at 2:54AM ESTJaxemer11 And Carrie was disgusted with Brodie on several occasions after she slept with him on Season 1, including immediately after that (if I remember correctly). She is a good actor (it is her job as a CIA operative), and there is no question there is chemistry between the two. The whole idea of her falling for him to the point where it completely clouds her judgment cheapens her character significantly, in my opinion. It suggests that she has somehow lost her CIA analyst mojo because of being twitter-pated for a terrorist. It's a little sexist, in a way.
December 17, 2012 at 2:57AM ESTJoe "It suggests that she has somehow lost her CIA analyst mojo because of being twitter-pated for a terrorist"
December 17, 2012 at 3:53AM ESTWell, she did also have her brain fried.
chuchundra
December 17, 2012 at 1:56AM EST Reply to CommentThe car bomb thing just ruined it for me, though.
Anyone who has been to a Federal building since 9/11 knows that there's no way to get a vehicle close enough to the building for a car bomb to have much effect. The walkways and plazas create a significant amount of space between the parking/driving areas and the buildings and there are architectural features that prevent vehicles from driving up on the walkway.
And nobody notices the car there? There's no security at all in the CIA parking lot? At the very least there should be video surveillance so that they can see that it wasn't Brody who left the car, although that wouldn't actually clear him.
As usual, the emotional and interpersonal parts of the show are excellent and the plot machinations are pure crap.
As for the mole/traitor, my money is still on Garza.
joel It was idiotically implausible. So stupid. This is one of those finales that plays off the idea that if you've swallowed all the other stupid plot contrivances in the second half of this season, you're obviously willing to swallow ANYTHING.
December 17, 2012 at 2:14AM ESTSee ya, Homeland. It was nice knowing you, but I won't be back.
Jaxemer11 And you don't get on the CIA campus without having your car searched, likely by bomb sniffing dogs. Huge plot hole ... but that isn't anything new for this show.
December 17, 2012 at 2:14AM ESTchuckie I had the same reaction. The security to get into the CIA complex is very stringent, to grossly understate the point. It's in the top 5 of any terrorist wish list, and the CIA knows this. It's been attacked before, and security does not mess around these days.
December 17, 2012 at 2:17AM ESTLindsay Well then, it's a good thing that Homeland doesn't take place in reality.
December 17, 2012 at 2:22AM EST
so you want to watch a show that knows how to thwart real-life CIA security? because that's something that's easy to do, right? If TV writers know how to fool government security experts, then I'm sure the terrorists would have no problem doing so, either. I find that more unlikely than anything that happened on Homeland.
December 17, 2012 at 3:22AM EST
so you want to watch a show that knows how to thwart real-life CIA security? because that's something that's easy to do, right? If TV writers know how to fool government security experts, then I'm sure the terrorists would have no problem doing so, either. I find that more unlikely than anything that happened on Homeland.
December 17, 2012 at 3:22AM ESTmike chuchundra, joel & Jaxemer11, you guys are right. I'd much rather watch a hyper-realistic show that didn't go anywhere because of all the dead ends the writers couldn't cross due to implausibility. Can't you just suspend disbelief for 2 seconds without over-analyzing the minutia and let a decent plot run its course?
December 17, 2012 at 5:19AM ESTkronicfatigue Well, the plan in season 1 seemed decently plausible. It was a once in a lifetime shot for the terrorists to take out a big group like that, but the writers couldn't pull the trigger (litterally) b/c Lewis and Danes "have chemistry"
December 17, 2012 at 8:26AM ESTjoel Niki Lee Young #11454
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It will turn out next season that Nazir had a twin brother no one knew about and THAT was who was killed in America. And it will turn out that Carrie has been the mole all along, because Carrie found the confession file, Carrie found Nazir, Carrie tricked Quinn into not killing Brody by being so in love with Brody, Carrie got Brody out, etc. And then it will turn out Saul is a mole but he's not a mole, he's a CIA triple agent, and he was waiting all this time for Carrie's moleness to be revealed, and he will apprehend Carrie only to have it turn out that THAT is also Nazir's plan all along from the start because when the President hands Saul a Medal of Valor at the United Nations Saul will be wearing a suitcase nuke in his FAKE LEG(!) and blow up the UN, the President, and everyone else. Saul was a triple-mole!! But Carrie was actually working with Brody to uncover this, and season 4 will be them teaming up to go get Nazir, who was living in Tennessee all along as a GOVERNOR (HE WAS HERE ALL ALONG). Nazir will now run for President (he shaved, dyed his hair, and had his skin lightened ala Micheal Jackson). OMG!!!
It's going to be great! How's that for suspension of disbelief?
mike Haha, pretty good. I see your point... everyone has a different threshold. But I don't know if "being able to park a car near a federal building" is is a ludicrous as that stuff.
December 17, 2012 at 11:50AM ESTbob Implausible or simply ridiculous? My problem is that Nazir's plan is so complex and relies on so many moving parts he can't control or predict to work, and yet it does. Last year's finale was also complex, but still somewhat simple. This one relies on stuff happening in the right order for weeks on end.
December 17, 2012 at 12:20PM ESTmazelle So is Quinn the mole for letting Brody live? Because if Quinn had just done his job, none of this would have worked for Nazir.
December 17, 2012 at 12:26PM ESTCorey yeah a car close to a federal building that blows up that is so implausible and never happened before......umm Oklahoma City?
March 6, 2013 at 11:41PM ESTDick T
December 17, 2012 at 1:56AM EST Reply to CommentOutside of Saul's scenes this finale was a disaster. Nothing really happened except the bombing and the show seems like its clearly going to be about a manhunt for Brody while Carrie is trying to clear him, sort of the reverse of season 1.
After the bombing happened I was sure we were going to find out Brody was involved and kept saying to myself "this can't be an ironic twist on the season where the one time Brody indeed doesn't do it, the whole world thinks he did" but alas that was the case and it left the season, which made it seem like it was going to wrap up the Brody story one way or another, with even more questions. It basically feels like the season didn't end. Terrible.
Dame Judi Dench Oh, first I browse and see people complaining that too much is happening and the show should focus on the characters. Then I read nothing really happened when the whole episode focused solely on the characters and only the bombing happened. I don't like this dichotomy, darling.
December 17, 2012 at 1:59AM ESTkronicfatigue Different people can have different opinions. We don't come to a consensus before posting.
December 17, 2012 at 2:04AM ESTDame Judi Dench It would really help me out if you did, dear.
December 17, 2012 at 2:13AM ESTchuckie
December 17, 2012 at 1:59AM EST Reply to CommentImprobable coincidence piled on improbable coincidence. And that was after being bored silly by the romance.
Miss Cast
December 17, 2012 at 2:03AM EST Reply to CommentI'm with you and David Estes on the squishy romantic bullshit :-)
Cory
December 17, 2012 at 2:04AM EST Reply to CommentInterested to see if they delve deeper into Carrie's mother situation next season. That seems like to strategic a drop in a finale to not bring up next season. And that's one way to move the story away from Brody and on to a more Carrie and Saul centric plane.
Miss Cast
December 17, 2012 at 2:04AM EST Reply to CommentI'm with you and David Estes on the squishy romantic bullshit.
Otherwise, good finale!
Jaxemer11
December 17, 2012 at 2:06AM EST Reply to CommentSo many things that are impossible to believe from this episode, but that isn't my main problem with it. I read an interview with Gansa in the WSJ after the finale, where he says that the plot twists, while clunky, were intended to service the characters. If that was the goal, I think they failed miserably. These characters took on completely different characters mid-way through the season.
I have already expressed my feeling about Carrie falling for Brodie, but the idea that Brodie would end the season calling Carrie "his love" is just as absurd. And are you telling me a professional CIA killer would get cold feet over seeing a muslim guy pray, to the point where he threatens to murder the director of counterintelligence at the CIA? Come on. That only happens in B-movies.
That is the biggest problem for me. It isn't the plot holes. It is that the people in the show are acting completely out of character compared to what we saw in the first season and a half of the show.
Lindsay Maybe Quinn didn't get cold feet. Maybe he's in on it. He did threaten to kill Estes and he did end up dying. Is it B-movie like? Sure, but why can't Homeland be a really good B-movie type show? Because Emmys and critics don't think it should be or because TV snobs want it to be more?
December 17, 2012 at 2:18AM ESTjoel Yeah, I'm surprised no issue was made of Quinn's behavior in the review. It not only made no sense, but it made no sense in relation to Quinn. Suddenly he's the cold-blooded career assassin with a heart of gold? COME ON.
December 17, 2012 at 2:19AM ESTjoel @Lindsay: 98% of TV is aimed at people who don't want to think, be challenged, or see something dark or unappealing. If that's you, go watch the other 98% of TV but don't be so rude and obnoxious as to call those of us hoping for something better "TV snobs." And don't forget the rule to not make it personal here.
December 17, 2012 at 2:21AM ESTJaxemer11 I have no problem with this being a B-movie like TV show, but it did just win an Emmy for Best Drama and is trying to live up to those standards.
December 17, 2012 at 2:26AM ESTI enjoy the show, and will continue to watch it (just like I continued to watch 24 to the end). It is fun, but it is not one of the best dramas on TV.
Lindsay @Joel Who's to say Homeland isn't trying to be in that 98%. Maybe they just want it to be a wacky thrill ride but others insist that it be something more. All I know is I enjoyed the heck out of Season 2 because I just went along for the ride.
December 17, 2012 at 2:28AM ESTLindsay @Jaxemer11 But does winning an Emmy mean that it needs to be some high-minded show? And does that mean that a well made B-movie level show should not win Emmys? Heck, 24 won an one too. I'm not trying to pick a fight because I'm glad that you still get enjoyment from the show unlike so many others. I just get skittish when people think that its Emmy win means it should be something more than it is. Maybe it was never supposed to be the CIA equivalent to Mad Men but that's what so many people expected it to be. And on the note, I agree with you. It's not the best drama on TV but I still found it wildly entertaining.
December 17, 2012 at 2:43AM ESTJaxemer11 Lindsay - Maybe you are right, but it seems like the show is trying really hard (or was, until the last six episodes) to be a high-minded show. It probably works better as just a low-minded thriller, but it hasn't always represented itself as being such.
December 17, 2012 at 2:45AM ESTLindsay @Jaxemer11 Or maybe a high-minded thriller? That still wouldn't put it on the level of the better dramas but a notch above complete fluff because I do agree that it was trying to be more than its genre trappings while still acknowledging them. That doesn't mean that it was trying to outsmart Mad Men, Breaking Bad and the like. But what do I know, maybe the showrunners were trying to do just that and missed the boat. Either way, I enjoyed it.
December 17, 2012 at 2:59AM ESTJaxemer11 Lindsay - I tend to think the writers/showrunners were trying to be a high-minded drama but found themselves in a whole and resorted to b-level genre tropes (that they were very good at executing, giving their 24 background) to get out of it. I think that is what frustrates a lot of people. The season started out so well, and then kind of took a nose dive in a different direction after letting Brodie go half-way through the season.
December 17, 2012 at 3:03AM ESTJaxemer11
December 17, 2012 at 2:08AM EST Reply to CommentNot to be a total whiner, but I don't think the show should get credit just for being bold. The fact that a bomb went off shouldn't really have been surprising, given the nature of the show. Making it bigger and more deadly doesn't make the episode better. It is a cheap trick.
staticx it's not that. the questions arising from it make it much better. Was Brody lying to Carrie? Did Quinn set it up or will he regret not killing Brody? What will Saul and Carrie do now? That BOMB meant more than just a bomb exploding.
December 17, 2012 at 3:51AM ESTJaxemer11 But I keep hearing people say the bomb was totally a surprise, or that this was the best episode of television ever. The bomb shouldn't have really been surprising, and the mechanics around it were a little clunky. They could have done a variety of thing that would have accomplished the same thing as the bomb for the characters, but by making it a really big bomb that took a lot of lives, it becomes audacious and bold and gets praise for that rather than telling a good story.
December 17, 2012 at 4:05AM ESTSP
December 17, 2012 at 2:11AM EST Reply to CommentIs there a chance that Brody was somehow in on it? Not completely but knew something was coming...maybe Nazir alluded to this when he "kidnapped" Brody in the flashbacks they left out?
I did really like some parts of the finale and Saul was just the star of this episode. I just want Brody's guilt/innocence to be more of a question, than it appears to be at this moment. I still like the Brody/Carrie romance but I hate that they eliminated the lack of trust between them. Maybe Carrie starts investigating how to prove Brody innocent in S3 and then starts to believe maybe he's not so innocent? I'm not ready to completely give up because I do believe it could be done right...that is, as long as they for sure kill Brody by the time the next finale rolls around.
I really thought Quinn was going to pop up in the woods at the end and kill Brody...that ominous line "I kill bad guys" leads me to believe this will somehow be a plot next season? Basically, I believe they have a better shot of building a 'can I trust you/what are your intentions' relationship with Quinn and Carrie at this moment (leaving out the romance).
Overall, the show still got me and I guess I feared the finale would be a whole lot worse haha. And I guess we're back at it with the whole mole thing....
bobby Given how quickly they tend to go through plots, they're going to kill Brody long before S3 finale.
December 17, 2012 at 4:32AM ESTthe_wire30 That's what I'm thinking too. I doubt Brody will get anywhere close to S3 season finale.
December 17, 2012 at 12:09PM ESTKevinS
December 17, 2012 at 2:11AM EST Reply to CommentAs soon as we saw Estes enter his home, I thought, "PLEASE don't have Quinn sitting in the dark with a gun." That scene pretty much sums up the plot aspects of the episode for me.
The Saul stuff was good, though.
Jaxemer11 Yep ... knew Quinn was going to be there.
December 17, 2012 at 2:27AM ESTGreg Grant Hahaha. This. Estes going home sequence to Quinn sitting in the corner was such a dumb cliche. I want some show to explore the moment where the guy sits in the darkness like an idiot waiting for the person to come in so that they can be all dramatic, and that person stops to get a late night pizza and suddenly gets a call from a buddy that he got tix to a hockey game (RIP NHL). Then cut to the guy still sitting in the chair, checking his watch and going, "Geez, I thought he'd be home by now so I can shock him."
December 17, 2012 at 2:33AM ESTbobby Quinn sitting there in the dark was definitely an obvious trope, but his speech was great and well-deserved. People who are criticizing Quinn's change in heart don't realize that real people do this. He got cold feet before killing Brody for understandable reasons; he was already skeptical of the plot prior to the finale.
December 17, 2012 at 4:34AM ESTChad
December 17, 2012 at 2:16AM EST Reply to CommentWait, am I the only one who thought the ending was suggesting Saul could be a terrorist? I know that would probably be one step too far for the show, but that prayer, combined with the music, and the way they kept showing him while the bombing went off, I thought it was a clear message.
Not to mention that smile when he sees Carrie seemed pretty twisted to me
youforgottousethesarcasmfont You're the only one.
December 17, 2012 at 2:23AM ESTDame Judi Dench Oh, that was the mourner's Kaddish, darling. If that is a clue toward someone being a suspected terrorist, I do believe they would be raiding the synagogues as we speak.
December 17, 2012 at 2:24AM ESTGuy You are not smart.
December 17, 2012 at 2:28AM ESTChad Ah my bad, I didn't recognize the Hebrew so I thought it might have been Islamic
December 17, 2012 at 2:29AM ESTJay P No, I'm with Chad on this one. Remember when Saul says Carrie will be a station chief because "Estes owes me one?" There were way too many clues about Saul potentially being a villain for it to have been an accident. In fact, the entire time at the ground zero, they kept showing him contrasted starkly against darkness, the same way villains are often portrayed on TV. The music, the closeups, everything suggested him as a villain.
December 17, 2012 at 2:35AM ESTkia no, you're not. I was actually confused if I was supposed to think that or not for a few minutes.
December 17, 2012 at 2:46AM ESTjack Mourner's Kaddish, he was saying prayers for the deceased and their families.
December 17, 2012 at 2:47AM ESTJacob Haha, wow. The only logical reason that I can see for someone coming to this conclusion is that you watch no other television shows. I mean, really. That's the only way.
December 17, 2012 at 2:53AM ESTJay P I don't get all the hostility. It's a show; no need to blow your lid over it.
December 17, 2012 at 3:01AM ESTThere's plenty to suggest Saul as a mole or terrorist, and the writers have been dropping clues all the way since Season 1, when Saul failed to pass or even finish the polygraph test, when both of his witnesses committed suicide (at least one of whom definitely used Saul's own glasses to do it), etc.
In this episode, again, they made obvious references to the possibility (and again, I say that as someone who thinks he actually isn't a mole, but that they're just trying to tantalize us with the possibility). First, there was his comment to Carrie about Estes owing him one. Secondly, there's the fact that he was so confident throughout the whole previous episode: despite being held in an interrogation room by Estes, he never seemed to be worried about the repercussions for going public with his suspicions (despite the fact that, in reality they would have put him in great danger). Third, there's the fact that he was conveniently away from the ceremony when it took place. Fourth, the show's writers deliberately staged his questions about the survivors in such a way that it could be read as him hoping certain specific people were alive, or hoping they were dead. Same with him calling Carrie and leaving a voicemail with the ambiguous line, "I'm looking for you." And same, finally, with his expression at the end, which leaves ambiguity as to whether it was joy or disbelief.
I'm with u chad. So obvious everything points to Saul, from him having access to video of Brody to Saul deciding not to talk Carrie out of attending the service. First time I've read Seppinwall after hearing him several times on Simmons' podcast, but very disappointed by his analysis of Saul's - patinkin's smile (or lack there of) at the end.
December 17, 2012 at 3:27AM ESTmubj I wondered how many people would have taken that prayer to be in Arabic rather than Hebrew, and of course, in the world we live in, one would clearly be linked with terrorism. This would have been an easy assumption for anyone to make, so I wouldn't blame anyone for stereotyping. Also, I also believe that there were plenty of plot points that could make Saul be the terrorist or have Brody be one, all would require a slight leap of faith but then again we've done that a few times this season. I think the writers have deliberately left this ambiguity to give themselves options in the direction they want to head into next season. I personally would like the Brody is still a terrorist angle, because it would make for a very interesting 3rd season, especially when both Quinn and Carrie realize they let this guy go when they could have prevented so much bloodshed. I mean, even if they cannot link him to the CIA bombing, the guy killed the VP, once that comes out in the open to all the rest, there is no way he gets away with it.
December 17, 2012 at 7:07AM ESTthe_wire30 I admittedly thought it was Arabic. But I thought he was reciting the words he heard during Nazir's burial at sea by Imam. I also thought, given this part being at the very end, the music and his crooked (surprised) smile, it was a slight hint at Saul being involved somehow. But honestly, it this point, the show has simply established way too much for Saul to be in league with the other side. THAT would be unrealistic.
December 17, 2012 at 12:14PM ESTTommy O I thought it was fairly obvious that Saul was the mole. He was so hell bent on not having Brody assassinated because he needed Brody as a patsy for the bombing. He also was fiercely trying to talk Carrie out of going to the memorial service because he knew she would die there. He had access to the video about Brody. He had reason to want to get rid of Estes. He found a way to have himself not be at Walden's funeral. The whole thing got his wife to come back to him at last. The smile on his face was more of a grimace... Now, this could all be completely wrong, but I think there were plenty of ways in which you could justify a reading of this finale wherein Saul was the mole. Just because he said the mourner's kaddish and his a devout Judaism does not rule out the possibility that he is playing a very deep game here. Now that would be a twist that would explain a whole lot of things (how the car got so close to the building, for instance). I am dying to see if I'm right next season.
December 17, 2012 at 12:25PM ESTthe_wire30 So Saul would be a mole embedded even deeper than Brody and without his knowledge?
December 17, 2012 at 12:32PM ESTTommy O If Saul is the mole, then yeah, that is some deeeeep cover. Or he was turned somehow. I'm probably wrong about this, but that was the feeling I got from the whole episode, and the smile at the end just punctuated it. I think Brody was all along just a patsy for a bigger plan, and the ending of this episode confirmed that for me. I'm sure Saul did not want Carrie dead, but when he realized that Brody escaped, I think he also realized that a living Carrie would be the only person who could figure out his involvement. Hence the grimace/smile on finding she was alive.
December 17, 2012 at 12:50PM ESThellawakens23 Chad you hit it on the head, I have always felt that way about Saul. He didn't want Brody killed because he needed to pin this car bombing on him. Now he is in charge of the CIA...It's always the character you least expect...of course they need to tell us that next season but that is where I think it should go or it is going.
December 17, 2012 at 6:48PM ESTSS I've thought a lot points to Saul as the mole for a while but it's starting to seem too obvious. Could Mike be the mole? He's in military intelligence and could be using his closeness to the Brody family as a way to keep an eye on Brody. His role as an intelligence officer is oddly downplayed in the series. When the Marines asked Brody how he was captured, they all agreed that someone screwed up. Could it have been Mike? I can see Dana starting to suspect him next season.
December 17, 2012 at 7:52PM ESTmjs I think Saul being a mole is a stretch because he allowed the hit on Nazir to go through in the 2nd episode (I think) when he could have just said no to Carrie, and it was Brody that saved Nazir. Also, his reaction to the Brody tape in that episode (when he was all alone) is enough for me to say that he's not a mole.
December 18, 2012 at 7:52AM ESTUnless of course it was Saul that sent the text message that saved Nazir and he didn't get Brody's until later and they told Brody he saved him as some sort of leverage and the reaction to the tape was really that "wow, we can use this in a new master plan," then I'd say he's a mole, but that would be too much of a stretch for my enjoyment.
cultstatus
December 17, 2012 at 2:23AM EST Reply to CommentThere is only one man for the job of hunting down Brody. Jack f'n Bauer.
the_wire30 This is all leading to a cross over with the illusive 24 movie.
December 17, 2012 at 12:15PM ESTMark
December 17, 2012 at 2:23AM EST Reply to CommentAlan, do you not think there's any chance Brody is bad? I thought the show left it completely up for interpretation whether he was in on the bombing or not, with my take leaning heavily towards he was in on the plan ever since he and Nazir shook hands after they met in America. His look in the office right before it happened was telling to me, and everything after seemed like him perfectly manipulating Carrie's love for him to get him out of the country. Season 2 ruined the great character of Carrie and the show as a whole for me either way, but I'm still interested to know why you're so confident in his goodness.
Jaxemer11
December 17, 2012 at 2:24AM EST Reply to CommentI really don't want it to be true, but the show is dropping a lot of breadcrumbs for the "Saul is a mole" theory. He has now interrogated 2 members of Nazir's terrorist cell, and both of them were able to kill themselves almost immediately after he is finished with them.
He gets really upset when Estes tries to take out Brody.
He gets upset when he finds out Carrie wants to quit the CIA to sleep with Brodie (perhaps because he knows Brodie is still on the terrorists side).
He conveniently happens to be away from Langley when almost everyone in the building is killed.
I hope they don't go that direction, but that is a lot of coincidences if they don't.
Jaxemer11 Not to mention the failed lie detector test in Season 1.
December 17, 2012 at 2:33AM ESTkia true
December 17, 2012 at 2:48AM ESTkia true
December 17, 2012 at 2:48AM ESTMatt Also his conversation with F. Murray Abraham COULD have called off the assassination of Brody leaving Brody as the fall guy. Saul's conversation with Carrie about how Brody will always be a suicide bomber...
December 17, 2012 at 6:51AM ESTJulieL. In thrillers it's almost always the most likable guy of the group who turns out to be the villain - that kind of plot "twist" is so common it's not even a twist anymore. Saul is definitely the most likable - but I don't think the writers will get to that until the show has run out of steam completely. Big "twists" get saved for the end of the drama, not just the end of a chapter/season.
December 17, 2012 at 7:52AM ESTM
December 17, 2012 at 2:25AM EST Reply to CommentCan someone explain Nazir's master plan to me? Assuming the entire thing was really done without Brody's knowledge, why did he need to be involved at all? If someone else planted the bomb in the car and then moved the car, what did they need Brody for? What does scapegoating him for everything accomplish?
Jaxemer11 I think Brody was in on it, but if he wasn't ... they could've wanted to pin it on him to use him as a symbol. He is an American soldier turned terrorist against his own country. That could win some troops and maybe even sway some American minds.
December 17, 2012 at 2:30AM ESTJosh I would assume it's because it's very difficult to get any car close to the CIA headquarters if you aren't a US Representative. Your random civilian isn't going to be able to drive right up.
December 17, 2012 at 3:34AM ESTkronicfatigue It's like The Dark Knight. Having the "White Knight" aka Harvey Dent be the one who turns bad is the biggest morale blow to the society.
December 17, 2012 at 8:39AM ESTmikep
December 17, 2012 at 2:26AM EST Reply to CommentCarrie isn't going to try and save Brody in the next season. She playing Brody by making him think she's in love with him. The only plausible excuse she has for leaving the bombing site for so long is that she will admit to Saul that she got Brody out of the country but she did it to get the terrorists that are still actively trying to hurt the US. She probably has a tracker device placed somewhere on Brody.
She isn't naive. She knows Brody is guilty and she's trying to get all the higher ups along with him. Brody's playing her and she's playing him.
Chad Well I hope you're right, cause that could make for an incredible Season 3.
December 17, 2012 at 2:32AM ESTRegardless, I'm just thrilled that they were able to end this season in a redemptive way, and leave so many possibilities for the next one.
Jaxemer11 I hope you are right, but that seems to be an even bigger stretch than ever. She lets him go after he kills over 200 people (her coworkers) at the CIA? I don't think so. If her goal is to prevent terrorism by covering for Brody, she has kind of failed already ... hasn't she?
December 17, 2012 at 2:32AM ESTmikep She's not covering for Brody. She's going to attempt to get him and a truckload of other terrorists. Wouldn't you want to get the other people in the terrorist cell that got the explosives into the car/ moved the car/ gave Brody the explosives or would you like them to be walking around planning something else?
December 17, 2012 at 2:42AM ESTJaxemer11 So was she duped until after the bomb? Or was she playing along with him for the whole time ... because is she was playing along the whole time, she could have stopped him from killing over 200 of her coworkers, and she didn't.
December 17, 2012 at 2:47AM ESTMikeP Right, she was duped until after the bomb. She wakes up on the floor pulls the gun on Brody, Brody gives her his excuse, the wheels start turning in that quick mind of hers and she does not buy the excuse and makes the decision right there to set him up and catch the rest of the terrorist cell. She's realizing that Brody signaled her to leave the ceremony minutes before the explosion. Isn't that a little to convenient? She's not buying Brody's excuses anymore. Again its the only plausible excuse she can give Saul for leaving the bomb site and not coming back until hours later..
December 17, 2012 at 2:57AM ESTJaxemer11 I hope you are right MIKEP. I would like that scenario much better than the "clearing his name" storyline. It does seem like an awful lot for her to come up with on the spot, but then again ... she is Carrie Matheson.
December 17, 2012 at 3:06AM ESTJakob
December 17, 2012 at 2:31AM EST Reply to CommentThey still didn't explain who the mole from season 1 is, and was commonly referred to in season 2. Is it Saul?
horsemedic
December 17, 2012 at 2:32AM EST Reply to CommentTo the director of CIA black ops:
The guy you sent me to kill Nick Brody instead showed up in my room with a gun and threatened to kill me if anything happened to Nick Brody. Please send someone else to kill that guy, and then Nick Brody.
-- Director of the CIA
Chance To CIA Director:
December 17, 2012 at 4:32AM ESTI can't believe my guy showed at your house with a gun. SMH. I'll get right on killing that guy right away. Jason Borne is on stand by. Oh and sorry about the whole sitting in the dark with a gun to surprise you think I have to work on a better screening process.
-- Director of CIA black ops
mikep
December 17, 2012 at 2:33AM EST Reply to CommentAnd I would also like to add that I have always had a strange feeling about Saul. He's never near any of the terrorist acts. He conveniently is always somewhere else. He always seems to set Carrie up by placing her in a position where she aids Brody. I say the writers, starting from season one, have always had him in mind as a possible future mole.
Alex Also, rememver in Season 1 when Carrie messed up the rug in his office (looked like a prayer rug) and he straightened it out? It is possible he has been manipulating Carrie to push certain things through for his own interests. He is now the acting head of the CIA, with his righ-hand-man now at his side. Saul was also the person who magically found the SD card in the bag the Carrie stole earlier in the season.
December 17, 2012 at 10:31AM ESTAtta
December 17, 2012 at 2:33AM EST Reply to CommentI think Brody was obviously in on the bombing. Brody all too conveniently goes out of his way to distance himself from his family just so none would be present at the funeral. When he calls Jessica and she say's she won't be going, he quickly goes "I know", as if he doesn't want to even broach the idea of her going to the funeral. Then of course, there was his strange behavior right before the bomb went off with Carrie.
Jbagels
December 17, 2012 at 2:35AM EST Reply to CommentA couple thoughts: I also had a strange feeling while watching the memorial scene since this episode aired right after the Newtown memorial on the east coast. I wonder if there was any thought of postponing this episode, will you be asking them tomorrow, Alan?
I'm also surprised you didn't reference the gym full of bodies in season 4 of the Wire, Alan. The image of Saul standing amongst the casualties immediately brought that to mind. Speaking of Saul, I don't know if I would describe that final smile as beautiful but I'm in complete agreement that Patinkin was the high point of the episode.
Lastly, I know the show treats the President like Vera on Cheers, but should we assume the president of the US is dead or was he lucky enough to survive? You have to imagine he would be at the VP's memorial and most likely sitting up front, no? I suppose they would've made a big deal of it if he were dead, but seemed a little odd to not mention a President here and his whereabouts.
Jaxemer11 The DOD woman told Saul he was going to have to brief the President, so it sounds like he/she wasn't dead.
December 17, 2012 at 2:43AM ESTmubj I don't believe he/she was there or had to be there tbh, because it was a memorial for the VP by the CIA, not his official State Funeral.
December 17, 2012 at 7:00AM ESTJbagels Oh right, I forgot she said that. I wonder if they'll ever introduce a POTUS character on this show, especially since there's no VP anymore. One other question, was the whole point of the Finn Walden storyline this season just to illustrate how the kids were like their parents? Now that he's blown up, it seems like that story never really paid off.
December 17, 2012 at 11:18AM ESTDaniel Well, just a few problems, everyone:
December 18, 2012 at 1:38AM ESTa), how could a President not be at a funeral of his VP?
(b) Why would they hold a funeral for a VP at the CIA, and not a church? (This is the God-fearing USA, after all.)
c) Since Saul and Estes were the only people with access to Brody's suicide tape, who gave it to the press?
(d) Why didn't Brody get a flat tire on this trip to the funeral?
(e) How would Nazir's men know which car he would take to the funeral, or even if a car would be sent for him?
(f) Why, for God's sake, wasn't he in an intensive debriefing process by the CIA ever since Nazir was killed, firstly in order to ensure his deal with the CIA was still good and second to manage the whole bloody cover story needed if he is indeed going to be let to live his life outside Gitmo?
(g) How does getting him out of the country in any way whatsoever serve to prove his innocence?
(h) Any car carrying a truck bomb's worth of explosives would handle very differently. How could Brody not notice?
(i) Leaving midway through a funeral of your ostensible closest professional colleague would cause gasps and glances among most people, surely.
(j) And, as this link below makes clear, these are the least of Homeland's problems as an attempt to analyse Islamic terrorism (Sleeper Cell's two series made none of these mistakes):
http://www.salon.com/2012/12/15/tvs_most_islamophobic_show/
JayD
December 17, 2012 at 2:39AM EST Reply to CommentGotta give them credit for tying so many things together. This even explains why there was a copy of Brody's confession all the way in Beirut, Nazir had this plan all along
jenny Yes, I think when Brody didn't set off the bomb, Nazir planned to somehow get to this point in some other way. That suicide tape was never not gonna get used - that was the ultimate strike against the U.S., to have a war hero not only kill the VP but expose the drone strike and condemn the U.S. policy.
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