Review: 'The Walking Dead' - 'Prey': Open pit barbecue

Andrea, Milton and Tyreese all begin to have their doubts about the Governor

<p>Laurie Holden as Andrea in &quot;The Walking Dead.&quot;</p>

Laurie Holden as Andrea in "The Walking Dead."

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"Prey," co-written by Glen Mazzara and Evan Reilly, feels like an episode intent on doing some self-correcting. On the largest level, Andrea finally accepts that the Governor is a bad, bad man who needs to be stopped at all costs. But the episode also pauses to recognize that it's past time to fill in some backstory on Andrea and Michonne's relationship, on Milton's history with the Governor, and even on what Tyreese's group was up to before they wound up at the prison.

The episode definitely succeeds as a whole thanks to a narrower focus — the only member of the prison group we see is Rick, and only for a few brief moments — and a good thriller structure(*) that brings back some of the urgency from the first half of the season. But most of what I mentioned above feels like a case of closing the barn door after the zombies have already escaped — and not even closing it all that firmly.

(*) Mazzara noted on Twitter on Friday that one part of the script — which I later found out was the entire cat-and-mouse chase through the warehouse — was written by Sang Kyu Kim, who was responsible for this season's outstanding "The Killer Within."

It's long past time, for instance, that we get another glimpse of what life was like for Michonne and Andrea when they were on the road together, The flashback in the teaser offers up some hints of their dynamic (joking about a girls night with some wine) and about Michonne's pre-apocalypse life (she knew her two arm-less pets, and did not like them very much at all), but I still don't feel like I have a strong enough sense of their bond and what was driving the tension between them when they first arrived at Woodbury. It also might have been nice to have an idea of her relationship with the zombie pets before she casually decapitated them both after encountering the Governor's men.

Milton's acknowledgment that he knew the Governor back when he was still Phillip sheds some new light on their relationship — and makes Milton's eventual stand against his friend and leader feel like a bigger deal — but mainly makes me want to know a lot more about what they were like before the plague, their survival in the early days, etc. Maybe if the show occasionally borrowed the "Lost" flashback structure for its new additions, these characters would become more vivid and easier to understand, but instead it feels like we're constantly playing catch-up.

And a flashback or three certainly would have been more artful than the backstory info dump we got about the tensions between Tyreese and Allen over Allen's dead wife. I like Chad L. Coleman a lot in this role, and Tyreese feels like a very necessary ingredient for the show: someone caught up in the middle of the action, but who doesn't have the personal investments and is just trying to survive. (To continue the neverending "Lost" references I seem to make in these reviews, he's Hurley if Hurley could also kick ass like Sayid.) But listening to him and Allen have an argument about this old bit of business didn't really work — even if part of it took place while Tyreese was holding Allen over a zombie pit.

And on Andrea's change of heart, we've already discussed the bad path the show took the character down. Even if we had a more global view of the series that she did, she still had plenty of evidence — the gladiator fights, Daryl and Merle being ordered to fight to the death, Glen and Maggie's injuries, Hershel confirming what the Governor did to Maggie — that this is a bad, bad dude she's hooked up with. The torture room is eyeball evidence as opposed to testimony from others, but the others are all people she's known and cared about for far longer than she's been in Woodbury.

All of that having been said, the Governor's pursuit of Andrea worked as an episodic story, particularly that moment when he caught up to her when she was a few footsteps away from Rick being able to see her through his rifle scope. The conclusion would have been even stronger if the Governor had just killed her then — imagine Rick or Carol walking the prison's perimeter and suddenly realizing that one of the walkers lunging against the fence is Andrea — but the writers clearly have plans for her in the season's final two episodes. And at least now there's more unrest inside Woodbury, with Tyreese, Sasha and Milton all feeling different levels of unease with their fearless, one-eyed leader.

Once again, let me remind you again of this blog's No Spoiler rule and how it applies to this show, as I've had to delete a bunch of comments the last few weeks that violated it. Basic things to remember before commenting:

1. No talking about the previews for the next episode.

2. No talking about anything else you know about upcoming episodes from other sources — and, yes, that includes anything Mazzara and Kirkman have said in interviews.

3. No talking about anything that's happened in the comic that hasn't happened in the TV show yet. (Or anything that's been revealed, like character backstory and motivation.) As with "Game of Thrones," the goal is to treat "The Walking Dead" TV show as exactly that, and not as an excuse for endless comparisons with the comics. If you want to talk about the comics, feel free to start up a discussion thread on our message boards.

With that in mind, what did everybody else think?

Alan Sepinwall may be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com

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    Abu Nazir > The Governor as a horror film slasher in a secluded factory

    March 17, 2013 at 10:04PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Mike Also, Omar > The Governor at whistling before stalking down their prey.

      March 17, 2013 at 10:11PM EST
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      Sterling Mallory Archer Hell, even Daryl Hannah whistling walking down the hallway to the Bride's room was more menacing.

      March 18, 2013 at 12:23AM EST
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      JREinATL I'm just now catching up on this episode three weeks late, but what a disappointment that whole sequence was. We know Andrea's a badass and can hold her own, and the Gov doesn't have super powers. So to see her cowering like that makes zero sense--unless you just accept that she's a woman and that's what women do.

      April 4, 2013 at 9:22AM EST
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    Jdog

    Alan,I cant believe you liked this episode. The scenes were so poorly written, the fight Andrea had in the woods with a moving tree behind her, the truck honking its horn chasing her across the field!!!

    It was laughable, like a Friday the 13th flick. I truly would can the show runner if I saw this too. Just bananas. So poor.

    And why did they choose that guy to look like Andrew Lincoln? Weird.

    March 17, 2013 at 10:13PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Peter_the_Gr8 Exactly. Best part of the episode was the special effect of the burned zombies.

      March 17, 2013 at 10:17PM EST
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      VisionOn I concur. They turned the now idiotic Andrea into an even dumber blond running through some stock horror cliches.

      She was supposed to be a survivor, with the ability to live on the move in constant threat, but a few weeks in town and she is unable to spot a zombie that's 20 feet away until the director tells her to.

      Also funny this episode: the brief film speed increase to make it look as if Andrea was running through the woods just after the truck chase. Run Andrea, Run! Hide in the dark zombie infested building and trip over everything!

      The only way they could have redeemed her character this episode was if Rick had shot her at the end and didn't even realize it was her. At least then the episode would have paid homage to the very movie that started the contemporary zombie theme.

      March 18, 2013 at 1:23AM EST
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      Col Bat Guano So how did the Governor manage to find her in the middle of that empty field....and again at the warehouse complex....and again outside the prison? This is just lame movie cliche crap and annoyed the hell out of me.

      The magically appearing zombies in the woods was another ridiculous coincidence.

      March 18, 2013 at 2:10AM EST
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      DWolf Totally, 100% agreed. I was extremely angry that I stayed up late to watch the episode on DVR. I could watch the remake of Texas Chainsaw Massacre if I wanted that type of low-rent horror movie plot contrivances. I think my favorite was that she went into the abandoned warehouse instead of hiding in the woods, waiting until the Gov goes inside, slashing his tires and running off.

      March 18, 2013 at 10:16AM EST
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      Adam That scene in the forest with Andrea and the walkers was terrible. She ran up the hill into a lightly treed area and put her back against a trunk, and was somehow surrounded moments later by three walkers. If you watch that scene back she's facing the way two of the walkers come at her. She would have watched them shuffle and stumble up to her. And how are the walkters STILL sneaking up on people? In the factory we're led to believe that you can hear every nail or piece of broken glass being stepped on, or brushing up against a chain link fence is audible, but these undead move silently until the moment they're in arm's reach. God this show pisses me off.

      March 18, 2013 at 2:58PM EST
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      Hollywoodaholic The "Stalling" Dead. What a waste of an episode. And shall we count how many stupid choices Andrea makes in no time; trying to escape in the middle of the day, giving up her gun, negotiating with guards, not finding a car, running up the bloody middle of the street- oh, nevermind. It was the height of a useless and annoying hour of television.

      March 18, 2013 at 3:38PM EST
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      madmeme I agree with fellow posters here - a terrible episode - the weakest this season. This is the first time I was actually fast-forwarding through sections since some of the farm episodes last year. None of the backstory provided (for a group of characters I don't care about in the first place - except for Milton) amounted to anything - and the tedious chase scene was just so full of contrivances and plot holes that it was unbearable.

      March 18, 2013 at 11:08PM EST
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      Guest I hope it's revealed that he somehow placed a tracking device on her to explain how he was able to find her with Jason Vorhees-like precision. Also, maybe all of the shooting Andrea has done without hearing protection explains why zombies & the gonernor have ninja like abilities to sneak up on her in wooded areas lol.

      March 19, 2013 at 3:10AM EST
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      VisionOn Andrea should loot some glasses too. The Governor managed to not only drive, track her across the wilds, in a huge warehouse and avoid multiple buckets and zombies in the darkness, but also fight a crowd of zombies with no ammo and disguise himself as a tree.

      And he only has one eye! :D

      March 19, 2013 at 7:17AM EST
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    Peter_the_Gr8

    What a pathetic turn of events. Sure, I was surrounded by zombies and out of ammo but I have to live to jump out from behind a tree so I can lash Andrea to my torture chair. The moment she didn't shoot him in that room guaranteed she'd be sitting in that chair soon. I cannot wait for Mad Men & Breaking Bad to return with shows that respect their audience.

    March 17, 2013 at 10:15PM EST Reply to Comment
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      zombiefan terrible, just terrible. that he survived the crownd of zombies was completely unbelievable, what is he, superman?

      March 25, 2013 at 6:06PM EST
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    Bryan-

    Completely disagree, this may have been the worst ep ever. So much of this show ade no sense even from TWD's very low standards - and what's with the governors whistling all of a sudden?

    March 17, 2013 at 10:16PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Jezmund Um... Omar comin' I guess?

      March 18, 2013 at 5:44AM EST
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      adamjmil You come at the king....

      March 19, 2013 at 12:08AM EST
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    Mike

    Thinking that Milton is the Governor's brother.

    March 17, 2013 at 10:18PM EST Reply to Comment
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      LauraK If they're brothers, one of their dads is the milkman. ;)

      March 18, 2013 at 1:41AM EST
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      joel I thought Milton said he had no family and lived alone before the zombie epidemic, and only survived it initially because he didn't go out much? Still, I like where you're going with this. It feels more rewarding than pre-Governor Phillip latching on to the egghead with no survival skills or combat capabilities.

      March 18, 2013 at 11:26AM EST
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    hlia

    Didn't like the Jason Voorhees stalking ability of the Gov, and there is no way he could smuggle Andrea out of those woods without crazy Rick seeing them.

    March 17, 2013 at 10:21PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Froide I think The Governor drugged Andrea. In fact, the way he grabbed her from behind, covered her mouth so her surprised, frightened scream couldn't be heard, laid down with her on the ground, and told her to "ssh" exactly replicated the way Shane grabbed Lori in S1.e2 ("Guts") before they had consensual sex in the woods by the quarry.

      So not only do I think Governor drugged Andrea, I think he raped her. And the reason why her eyes were wide open but not blinking in the closing shot may be the drug.

      March 25, 2013 at 10:04PM EST
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    Jerron

    I think the purpose of this episode was to get the audience back on Andrea's side. Didn't work for me. I hate that they wasted an episode on her. Heck I'd much rather have seen the episode dedicated to Tyrese's group. Or even Morgan finding his crazy ass to the prison.

    Andrea is the nuLori.

    March 17, 2013 at 10:30PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Jerron

    ...I think the purpose of this episode was to get the audience back on Andrea's side. Didn't work for me. I hate that they wasted an episode on her. Heck I'd much rather have seen the episode dedicated to Tyrese's group. Or even Morgan finding his crazy ass to the prison.

    Andrea is the nuLori.

    March 17, 2013 at 10:31PM EST Reply to Comment
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    M.H.

    Not just the worst episode of the season, but possibly the worst of the series (and, considering season 2, that's really saying something). A giant waste of time that hardly moved the plot forward for anyone (and, truthfully, reversed character development for the now laughable Tyreese and co.).

    March 17, 2013 at 10:41PM EST Reply to Comment
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      joel I was wondering if anyone would comment on Tyreese. It's blows my mind that he's as gullible and accepting of blatant BS as Andrea was. He should be headed for the hills before the Governor ever returned, let alone after that weird conversation at the end. Yes, we're rounding up all these zombies with this elaborate trap we obviously built months ago to *scare* them into compliance. We have no intention of using the zombies. RIGHT.

      March 18, 2013 at 11:29AM EST
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      GodDamnZombies I think the producers are just buying time now till the end of the season in a few weeks. My guess is the season will end with the battle with Morebury and the prison beginning. So these last few episodes are more or less just 'filler' episodes until the finale soon arrives.

      March 22, 2013 at 12:54AM EST
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    kronicfatigue

    Wow, horrible episode. What are the odds that the Governor could find Andrea in his truck? Multiple times? And then when she escapes from the building (Btw, why didn't the zombies reach out through the window of that door), she DOESN'T get in his truck to drive to the prison?

    Next time you're at work, and it's quiet, sit still and see if you can hear people walking up to you. YOU CAN. But apparently 4 zombies can sneak up on Andrea while she's hiding behind a tree and the Governor can sneak up and grab her at the edge of the prison.

    "I have to go, the Governor isn't who he seems, bye. [long pause]

    No wait, that's too vague, let me really convince you by telling you that he plans on kidnapping and torturing my friend, and tortured my other friends, and kept the heads of walkers and...".

    March 17, 2013 at 10:42PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Friscodick Why didn't she at least slash the governor's tires...or did she think the walkers got him, all according to plan (cue Dr. Evil) and why does the governor openly lie to everyone about Andrea when it's already been proven that Milton and anyone else can go up to the observation deck and see her tied up....plot points so sloppy I feel like I'm watching the Killing again. Oh well.

      March 17, 2013 at 11:23PM EST
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      mrbilliam I hated her non-sensical vagueness to Tyreese and his sister. Why not spend 30 seconds giving them an actual reason to not trust the governor? Why is that such a common TV trope?

      March 17, 2013 at 11:27PM EST
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      JamesG "Why didn't she at least slash the governor's"

      Heck, why didn't she take his truck? I couldn't imagine why she'd just head back into walker infested woods without at least attempting to take the vehicle. Although this is Andrea we're talking about...

      March 18, 2013 at 1:17AM EST
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      joel "Why not spend 30 seconds giving them an actual reason to not trust the governor?"
      If I had a nickel for every a character could have avoided huge amounts of trouble on this show with 30 seconds of actual talking, I'd be wealthy. The lack of communication on this show is one of its biggest plot contrivances.

      BUT! Andrea doesn't know Tyreese or his people at all. She couldn't know what telling them more might lead to. I was a little surprised she didn't sneak out of Woodbury via a less guarded area of the fence anyway.

      March 18, 2013 at 11:33AM EST
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      Todd He probably had the keys...but slashing the tires would have been good.
      As far a hearing the zombies in the woods, consider she had just run a mile or more and then ran into the woods, scared and out or breath, then a big loud truck drove by. Not as easy as you think to hear them.

      March 18, 2013 at 1:34PM EST
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      Col Bat Guano Too bad she couldn't see them either...as they walked straight at her.

      March 18, 2013 at 6:59PM EST
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    Ally Jones

    Really good episide I can't wait to see what happens.

    March 17, 2013 at 10:44PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Trujillo

    Everything about this episode was so cliche and ridden with plot holes that at some point I just wanted to watch the whole thing in fast forward to save myself some time.

    And why didn't she just get in the truck and drive to the prison?

    I agree though that it would have at least made up for it if the governor killed Andrea at the end.

    March 17, 2013 at 11:33PM EST Reply to Comment
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      pwb Uh...because the keys were not in the truck?

      March 18, 2013 at 2:56AM EST
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      Spin Yes, that's much more plausible then bad writing...good job.

      March 18, 2013 at 5:47AM EST
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      joel THE KEYS ARE IN THE VISOR!!! If we're going to go through every cliche in film history, let's not stop with the keys.

      March 18, 2013 at 11:34AM EST
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      Esme The keys would have been in the truck - the lights were on.

      March 18, 2013 at 2:27PM EST
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      KB It's an older truck. I pretty sure you can keep the lights on without the keys in it. How many people have killed their batteries because they left their lights on?

      March 19, 2013 at 1:19AM EST
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      joel I was kinda dumbfounded by that. Even my 2008 Subaru will spot the headlights without a key. Is this some new idiot-proof feature some idiot enabled on new cars? Because having headlights without the car ignition enabled is actually sensible in some situations.

      March 19, 2013 at 1:33AM EST
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      mitch Andrea looked for the keys, we just didn't need to see that scene. She can run faster than that truck at top speed anyway.

      March 19, 2013 at 3:35PM EST
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    Onatisula

    I thought the ep had some decent tension, however cliché'd it seemed towards the end.

    I am however tired of ninja zombies. Sincerely, there should be some petition online, to stop with that damn crap. A quiet forest, no one around and bam silent and deadly! Seriously?

    To me though, the ep would have been far better if they hadn't pulled the cliché of the Governor making it in time to catch Andrea. I honestly didn't think they would do it. Proven wrong, yet again, just not in the best of ways, at least in my book.

    March 17, 2013 at 11:58PM EST Reply to Comment
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      joel ACtually, I've made a couple snarky comments here and much of this episode's illogical plotting annoyed me, but they did a decent episode of maintaining tension and pacing, even with all the cliches. But the moment where the Gov grabbed Andrea in the woods was pretty silly. Maybe they aren't ninja zombies: Andrea is just deaf as a post. Even the Gov snuck up on her.

      March 18, 2013 at 11:39AM EST
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    lazy iggy

    i see an episode like this, and it makes me wish that the writers properly laid the groundwork. i keep imagining "if they did this or that" it would make the episode tighter.
    for example, the factory chase would have been infinitely creepier if they had the governor whistling here and there since the beginning. or better yet, have him sing a creepy version of his daughter's lullaby.

    love tyrese . . . allen who? don't care. nothing will make me care.

    ooooo, milton, you in danger! get thee back to the good wife!

    and i really wish that the episode didnt end like that...but i knew it when i saw it...chekhov's torture dental chair...sigh

    March 18, 2013 at 1:02AM EST Reply to Comment
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    JamesG

    I had no idea what Tyrese and Allen were talking about during their first argument. At first I didn't even remember that Allen was with them originally (thought he was from Woodbury), and then I couldn't remember if the incident they were arguing about even happened on screen. As a result, I didn't care about those scenes and still don't see why they were relevant. For all the flak the show got two weeks ago about the "previously ons" containing spoilers, this is one time where it would have been helpful.

    To me, it seems odd to insert all of this character development in the third to last episode of the season. Also stopped caring about the Governor a long time ago and just want him dead so our characters can move on to a more interesting plot.

    March 18, 2013 at 1:14AM EST Reply to Comment
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      GRubi I was one of the people complaining about the "previously on" segments two weeks ago (in fact, I was the one that wrote the question concerning it that Alan answered on the podcast). And lIke you, it took me a bit to realize that the guy Tyrese was arguing with (Allen) was the guy from their group and not some random Woodbury person. So yeah, I agree with you that a quick scene with Allen in the "previously on" section would have been beneficial in this episode. But then again, including a scene like that would not be a spoiler, like it was two weeks ago with Morgan.

      March 18, 2013 at 2:18AM EST
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      Michael Dowling I don't believe whatever happened between Tyrese, Allen, and his wife was caught on camera at all. Allen's wife was dead within two minutes of us meeting her. Allen states that after Tyrese saved her she was at his side.

      Allen also talks about Tyrese "shaming him in front of his son". My guess is some time in the past Allen left his wife while zomnies were attacking and Tyrese saved her, Allen's wife then banged Tyrese and effectively began cuckolding Allen, and he's still sore about this (for obvious reasons).

      March 18, 2013 at 11:24AM EST
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      joel I was completely lost by the argument myself and I think Michael Dowling's take makes sense. Would have been nice to establish this tension in the first half of the season, also would have been nice to have made Allen a tad bit more of a character.

      March 18, 2013 at 11:43AM EST
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      GarySF Agree, I had almost no recall of the Allen character or what occurred between him and Tyrese. As a result, those scenes were just time fillers to me. This show has done a very poor job of fleshing out characters or sufficiently revealing their backstories.

      March 18, 2013 at 12:19PM EST
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      Michael Dowling I actually got this scene, and understood the two were fighting over a past event the audience wasn't aware of. To me it was a great scene, it illustrates how Tyrese with his physical size and the fact that he saved Allen's wife's life changes Allen and his wife's relationship. You would probably see quite a bit of women walking away from their husbands and joining a stronger man who could protect her in a situation like this. Men's strength and protection abilities would become #1 on women's list again, where today financial stability are probably #1. This scene brought that reality to play and I thought it was well done.

      I also liked how Tyrese and Allen both react completely differently to using zombies against the prison. Tyrese is horrified and makes it known, while the cowardly cuckold Allen simply goes along with it no problem because he's safe and doesn't want to "rock the boat". It's what cowards do, they will follow evil men if it means their security. But good men like Tyrese and Rick would never.

      March 18, 2013 at 1:34PM EST
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      Blackcoffee I don't know if it's just "men's strength" that was the issue for the wife. Allen is a weak, cowardly man. His wife probably saw that and also saw that Tyresse was the opposite. The Asian kid isn't big, but he is brave. In a crisis, someone's weak character would be noticeable.....

      March 18, 2013 at 8:46PM EST
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      bbq_hax0r Why wasn't this done weeks ago? God it's like they write every episode by themselves and don't know how to properly set anything up.

      March 18, 2013 at 11:16PM EST
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    John

    Lol. The song "there is a wolf in my heart" in talking dead was closed captioned as "there is a waffle in my heart"

    March 18, 2013 at 1:54AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Minmin Hey--TWD is set in Georgia, home of "The Waffle House."

      March 19, 2013 at 6:58AM EST
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    GoSox

    I agree with the other commenters -- this episode was so bad that (1) it, standing alone, may have gotten the showrunner fired, and (2) I now really fear for the remainder of this season. The bit of stupidity not already mentioned was that every time Andrea made a move when being stalked by the Governor, she'd hit something metal or make a sound in what was an otherwise silent building. Yet it turns out the entire building is teeming with zombies who didn't make any noise when it would be inconvenient. Awful.

    March 18, 2013 at 2:06AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Joseph I feel like a lot of the other complaints can be explained away without too much effort, but this is actually a really good point. It was completely ridiculous that Andrea was like a bull in a china shop, but the horde of brainless zombies were apparently shuffling around without hitting anything.

      March 19, 2013 at 12:06PM EST
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    rwmcgee

    I'd actually been pretty happy with the season up until this point, but wow, what a truly horrible episode. This felt like about 80% filler. Maybe it's true that we could be more invested in some characters if we had more background...but that ship has sailed, so let's have NO flashbacks. Also Angela's 'escape' was the most yawn-inducing plot device ever. Who couldn't see exactly how that was going to end up??? This episode must have gotten somebody fired =P

    March 18, 2013 at 3:41AM EST Reply to Comment
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      rwmcgee apologies, andrea, not angela.

      March 18, 2013 at 3:42AM EST
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    SlackerInc

    For me, this was the third episode in a row I thought was really good, after a long drought going back to the previous season. I can see though that especially with the last two episodes, my tastes are pretty much like a film negative, the exact opposite of that of most of the fan base. So maybe the PTB at AMC had a good sense of that fanbase and fired Mazzara as a result. It's too bad, because this kind of tense, dread-inducing atmosphere is what I want to tune in for.

    March 18, 2013 at 3:54AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Beekayz

    "he caught up to her when she was a few footsteps away from Rick being able to see her through his rifle scope."
    Alan - like Rick, I think you looked away from the action at the wrong moment.
    Andrea wasn't out of range of his rifle scope. In fact, you saw the action from his perspective and she was close enough for him to see without the rifle scope. He was just looking the wrong way and wasn't even looking through the scope.

    He does actually see the action in his peripheral vision, which is why he bring the scope up and scans the area she had been standing frantically for a few seconds.

    Anyone else see it this way?

    March 18, 2013 at 3:57AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Froide I don't think Rick SAW Andrea; I think he HEARD her squeal when the Governor grabbed her.

      March 18, 2013 at 4:41AM EST
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      Beekayz Maybe. For some reason, even though she has the opportunity, she doesn't scream. She doesn't even squeal particularly loudly as she has her teeth gritted. The sound is more an intake of breath.

      Either way, she was close enough to be seen with the naked eye, let alone a rifle scope.

      March 18, 2013 at 4:59AM EST
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      Michael Dowling Rick saw something but no longer trusts what he sees because he hallucinates.

      March 18, 2013 at 11:32AM EST
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      Hindrance To me it looked like maybe Rick saw or heard something but was worried he was having Lori hallucinations so he shook it off/ignored it.

      March 18, 2013 at 11:35AM EST
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    pat

    Personally, I didn't like the episode and I'll explain why...

    The creators are taking the tact to focus on a smaller group of characters per episode per in order to enrich their characterization. On the surface its a decent idea but only if I give a shit about the character or can be made to. Andrea isn't a character I really want an episode centered around , especially after she's been entirely too slow out of the gate to 'pick a side'. She's been a drag on this season and the blinders she wore really slowed down the pace to an overall arc that didn't need additional navel gazing.

    This season's pacing and 1st half was an INCREDIBLE improvement over the previsous seasons but it's still not good enough? These characters weren't shakespear to begin with.

    I really suspect that the direction AMC is taking is more cost-saving measures. Do they have to pay the actors who are in the main cast but not featured in the next week's character-centered story? Knowing this show's reputation I wouldn't be shocked.

    March 18, 2013 at 4:12AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Jonas.Left

    And once again the nabobs of negativity natter on. The show is dumb. The characters are dumb. The writers are dumb. I'm not bright enough to answer an obvious question so it must be a plot hole that proves this show sucks. I want to be the thousandth person to post their hatred for Andrea and that Michonne doesn't talk enough. I want to be the thousandth person to post that the show isn't enough like the comic book or too much like the comic book or is too awful to exist at all. No wonder so many of the posters here hate Talking Dead; The people on that show enjoy The Walking Dead instead of using it as an opportunity to brag about how above it they are.

    March 18, 2013 at 4:28AM EST Reply to Comment
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      jesus what? this episode of the walking dead was pure trash, useless filler

      March 18, 2013 at 4:37AM EST
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      OldDarth Guess as a ponticator of positivity his only recourse is to review comments because there is little to praise in the actual episode itself.

      March 18, 2013 at 10:19AM EST
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      Printin' Mike Repeating a specific criticism doesn’t make said criticism any less valid.

      Yes, most of the characters are dumb. But, even more egregiously, most of the characters only bear the slightest resemblance to human beings. Sorry for noticing that fact. But, it’s a fact that even the show seems to recognize, as evidenced by this episode’s attempt to fill in the gaping holes of humanity. As Alan accurately notes, TWD is trying to backfill the hastily constructed characters (Michonne, Andrea, Milton, Phillip, et al). Kudos to the show for trying, even though it was an uneven result. Last week’s episode did a better job (with the much appreciated communication between Hershel and Milton, e.g.) in my opinion, but I like the general direction that such scenes are taking. Much more so than the cartoonish, torture chamber crap.

      March 18, 2013 at 10:43AM EST
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      try_harder I honestly don't get why you seem to complain about the same issues others do week after week and then this week you post this long, pointless tirade against those that are complaining. If you liked the episode, explain why. But this whole screed seems unnecessary and useless, something a troll would post, and I don't think you're a troll.

      March 18, 2013 at 12:03PM EST
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      Michael Dowling I like the show, but also like to point out glaring plot holes. That said even though this was a weaker episode I still enjoyed it. With Game of Thrones not on the air it's the best show out there.

      March 18, 2013 at 1:29PM EST
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      joel Justified and The Americans are both currently airing and both 10x better dramas than Walking Dead. It wouldn't even make my top ten for the year. I enjoy it but I don't need to watch most episodes more than once because the writing is just so lackluster.

      March 18, 2013 at 1:33PM EST
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      Michael Dowling I never got into Justified, I meant to start watching The Americans, but time is tough to come by, you may very well be right that they're better. I should rephrase what I wrote:

      "With Game of Thrones not on the air it's the best series I currently watch out there."

      March 18, 2013 at 1:37PM EST
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    JC

    Wow, I'm so glad to see that I'm not the only one who thought this ep was terrible.

    That entire (factory? warehouse?) segment was so cliche-ridden, I was laughing at certain points. The only "tension" for me was trying to decide whether they had the balls to finally kill Andrea right then and there, or if she still had "plot armor" and they'd contrive a way for her to escape, and then, right on cue! By the time she reached the prison, I was rooting for Rick to mistake her for a zombie and blow her away, but The Governor wasn't done with his slasher movie villian act.

    Last week's episode would've been a fine penultimate episode; I had lost count, so I was surprised to see that there were still 3 eps left. I wondered then how they were going to spin their wheels until the finale, and now I know! I'm sure next week we'll waste time watching them "decide" whether to hand over Michonne (yeah right), watch the Governor torture Andrea, to kill another hour. Yippee. (note, I haven't seen/read any news/previews, this is just speculation, not spoilers)

    March 18, 2013 at 4:35AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Froide

    The Governor's torture chamber gives new meaning to "behind the Red Door". [Instead of a make-over at Elizabeth Arden's Red Door salon, THIS blonde's getting a work-over in Phillip Blake's torture chamber.]

    Wondering what Milton's fate will be. I think he's somehow related to The Governor.

    March 18, 2013 at 4:43AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Spin

    Did Andrea not take the Governor's truck at the factory after, she rightly assumed he was zombie food, because she felt she needed more cardio?

    March 18, 2013 at 5:43AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Froide I surmised the key was not in the truck, and Andrea didn't know how to hotwire it. But I wished she'd checked the truck for weapons/guns.

      March 18, 2013 at 6:09AM EST
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      Bryan L I thought the same -- keys not in the truck. But I wish they'd shown her checking. She had no reason not to -- the Gov was either dead or had his hands full.

      March 18, 2013 at 9:46AM EST
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    Chester

    Whatever differences may exist between us in our opinions on The Walking Dead, can we all at least agree that The Talking Dead is one of the more pointless programs in the history of television?

    March 18, 2013 at 5:46AM EST Reply to Comment
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      James Actually, I guess we can't. I love The Talking Dead, with the behind the scenes, trivia, banter, and sneak preview clip for next week's episode.

      March 18, 2013 at 6:04AM EST
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      Larry B Sorry - can't agree either - Talking Dead is excellent and adds much as follow up to an already great show.

      March 18, 2013 at 9:20AM EST
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      GarySF No, I can't agree to that. The AMC show Small Town Detectives was the most pointless program in history.

      March 18, 2013 at 12:29PM EST
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      goofus I like talking dead for the same reason I like this blog. Listen to or read comments about the episode I just watched. I don't everything about talking dead, some of it feels like a hour-long comercial. But there is enough of it that I like, that I think it is worth watching. I actually find it interesting that you like this blog but hate talking dead.

      March 19, 2013 at 10:10PM EST
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    Other Scott

    OK, I'm usually a bit of an apologist for the show, even though I don't think it's great. I truly thought this episode was the worst in the series to this point.

    The main flaw of the show is it has no grasp of the characters, and as a result they are inconsistent. Andrea already knew the governor was a bad dude. She just tried to kill him 3 weeks ago. She stayed in the town because she cared about the people of Woodbury and wanted to protect them. Why the H E double hockey sticks is she leaving now. She has nothing to actually warn Rick about other than the governor cannot be trusted, and she knows Rick has Michonne to tell her that. Suddenly, the people of Woodbury are no longer important to her, when that is what has been keeping her there since she found the creepy heads!

    Even in season 2, the show has always been a strong thematic show. Season 1 was all about the search for a cure, and the loss of hope related to that. Season 2 was about the illusion of safety and how there is no special haven. Season 3 is either about the mental toll of the zombocalypse, or the danger that people present. Either way, you have to get the governor right. And they didn't. We have no idea what makes the governor tick, or why is his so crazy.

    And as others have noted, the Governor-Andrea scenes lacked tension. I don't know why, but I never believed the Governor was going to kill Andrea. It was either going to end in Andrea getting away or captured, and if she's captured we know she's going to be rescued.

    This was just poor, and the show can do better.

    March 18, 2013 at 8:51AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Andi I don't get the trouble with Andrea's motivation to stay til now/leave in this episode. Up until now, for the last while (as was made clear in the last episode), she knows the Governor's a bad man with bad intetions, but she's been staying because she thought the best way to get around all of the evil and to save her friends was to work at trying to broker a deal between the two sides.

      Now she DOES have something to warn Rick about - Milton tells her early in the episode about the deal they struck, but that even if Rick does hand over Michonne the Governor will still attack the prison. It's the point at which she has all her fears confirmed that she won't be able to stop things from that side of the war and wants to go fight with her friends.

      March 18, 2013 at 9:35AM EST
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      Other Scott The problem isn't so much that the character's do not have motivations, because they always do. Most people thought Andrea should have left long ago simply because of the creepiness of the governor. It's just that with good characterization, while maybe you can't predict the things the characters do, you should look back on their actions and think that makes perfect sense based on who they are. That almost never happens with this show. It's not just Andrea. The same things happen with Glen, Herschel, and sometimes even Darryl.

      The problem is not that Andrea wants to leave. It's that the people of Woodbury that were so important to her, she is just willing to ditch on the off chance that she is telling Rick and the prison group something they don't know. Once you leave Woodbury there is no coming back.

      March 18, 2013 at 11:55AM EST
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      bbq_hax0r It would have been within Andrea's character if she wanted to protect her friend (Michonne) and ensure that he didn't wrongfully turn her over. But this was a weak episode and so inconsistent, too little too late on character development.

      March 18, 2013 at 11:35PM EST
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    Fried out Zombie

    It seems to me that the main reason for bringing Andrea back alive is to use her a hostage/bargaining chip to get Michonee back from Rick...possibly to get Michonne to go halfway willingly.

    March 18, 2013 at 9:31AM EST Reply to Comment
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      GarySF I don't think of Michonne as the type that would sacrifice herself to the Gov's vengeance/torture for Andrea, or anyone she's not related to by blood. Doubt there'd be any willingness by her whatsoever.

      March 18, 2013 at 12:33PM EST
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    Brian

    I'm thinking Milton was the Governor's former "boss" that he referred to in the previous episode. He may not be half his age but Milton is starting to show signs of confidence by telling Gov to forget about his daughter.

    March 18, 2013 at 9:34AM EST Reply to Comment
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    bryan-a

    I was able to procure part of the script from last nights show -

    scene - Andrea and what's his name that was in 310 to Yuma looking down onto the torture chair.

    Andrea - "this is sick I have to kill him"
    Yumaguy - "you'll never get close enough"

    In walks the governor and walks over to the chair (maybe he can do something creepy like whistle here) and plays with the torture instruments (find some torture instruments laying around)

    Andrea pulls out gun to shoot governor who is standing 10 feet away. Yumaguy sees what she is doing and with shocked expression slowly reaches over and puts down gun (ask around set to see if anyone can come up with motivation for doing this)

    Cut to - governor walking down street, Andrea runs up to him and walks along beside him, right next to him. (we could kill him now or I saw this really creepy warehouse we could use for something else. you know what? maybe we should take out that "you'll never get close enough line" - note to self don't forget to go back and take out that line)

    Okay, where was I zombies, zombies zombieszombieszombies, Oh okay I got it.

    Cut to some sort of zombie trap.....

    March 18, 2013 at 9:44AM EST Reply to Comment
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