Review: 'The Walking Dead' - 'Hounded': Waiting for you to call me up and tell me I'm not alone
Michonne goes on the run, while Rick answers the phone
Michael Rooker as Merle on "The Walking Dead."
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For much of this season, we've wondered when and where the Woodbury storyline is taking place relative to Rick and company in the prison. One popular theory I heard was that all the Woodbury scenes were set earlier, which would allow Merle or the Governor to be the mysterious figure in the woods watching Carol as she practiced her C-section technique.
"Hounded" makes it clear that this isn't the case, and also that Woodbury and the prison aren't that far apart geographically, since the strip mall with the baby store is within limping distance of Woodbury and a reasonable drive of the prison. And the episode provides our first crossover of the two storylines, as Merle abducts Glenn and Maggie to find out more about their cozy living situation, while Michonne delivers the baby formula to the prison.
We're closing in on the end of this half of the season (two more episodes to go, then another break until sometime in early 2013), and it's definitely time to start mixing and matching the two storylines, especially since what's been happening at the prison has, so far, been more compelling than the action over in Woodbury.
This week, for instance, we got Rick's Breakdown 2: Telephone Boogaloo. It turns out the mysterious phone call from the end of the previous episode was a gentler part of his psychotic break(*) in the wake of Lori's death, filled with voices from the past (all of them, not just Lori, played by former "Walking Dead" actors like Emma Bell as Amy) forcing him to confront his feelings of despair while requiring him to ultimately get back to the reality of protecting his surviving family members. When the show just steps back and lets Andrew Lincoln emote for a while, good things tend to happen, and these last two episodes have done a good job of giving Lori's death the weight it deserves. We may not have liked her as a character, but she was Rick's wife, and Carl's mom, and her passing isn't something they or the show should be shaking off easily. (For the same reason, I quite liked Daryl's attempt to bond with Carl with the story of his own mother's sudden death, and ultimately recognizing how much worse Carl's story is.)
(*) Something seemed hinky about the call from the start, and I like the way Scott Wilson played Hershel's reaction to this news, particularly after he listened for a dial tone on the phone. Hershel knows this is Rick having a crazy moment, but Rick is his friend working through a tragedy in his own way, so Hershel doesn't try to shatter the illusion for him. He just offers to stick around and provide company
The Woodbury half of the show has its charms, certainly, but we're still getting to know these characters and why they act the way they do — why, for instance, the Governor would feel the need to send a hunting party after Michonne rather than let her go, why Michonne would attack Merle and friends rather than waiting them out, or why Merle winds up at the strip mall rather than turning around and returning to Woodbury upon killing Neil for the sin of suggesting they should keep hunting.
Yet this crossover of the two groups has promise. Maggie and Glenn aren't going to get the royal treatment from the Governor and his friends that Andrea has, which should give us a better idea of the lengths to which this guy will go to strengthen his kingdom. And Michonne will be with a group where she'll have no choice but to open up a bit if she wants to be trusted, and one that's in a lot of turmoil now, between Lori's death, Carol's unexpected resurrection(**), and now the abduction of Glenn and Maggie.
(**) Very glad Carol is alive, not so much because she's one of my favorite characters (though the writers have done much better by her of late) than because the idea of her having died off camera after T-Dog sacrificed himself for her would have felt very anti-climactic and off-style for this show.
Two hours to go this fall. Very curious to see what happens now with the two groups.
Once again, let me remind you again of this blog's No Spoiler rule and how it applies to this show, as I've had to delete a bunch of comments the last few weeks that violated it. Basic things to remember before commenting:
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3. No talking about anything that's happened in the comic that hasn't happened in the TV show yet. As with "Game of Thrones," the goal is to treat "The Walking Dead" TV show as exactly that, and not as an excuse for endless comparisons with the comics. If you want to talk about the comics, feel free to start up a discussion thread on our message boards.
With that in mind, what did everybody else think?
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November 18, 2012 at 11:13PM EST Reply to CommentWhy do the Walkers ignore Michone?
C Pretty sure it was because she got all those guts spilled on her during her fight. In season one, Rick and Glenn used zombie guts to hide among them.
November 18, 2012 at 11:18PM ESTAaron They ignore her because the other walker's insides spilled on her, camouflaging her scent like Rick and Glenn did in season 1 to get the truck.
November 18, 2012 at 11:20PM ESTKaren She was covered in zombie gore, they couldn't smell her as human - just like in the first episode when Rick and Glenn (was it Glenn?) walked through the zombie herd covered in blood and guts... till it rained
November 18, 2012 at 11:21PM ESTDavid Because she was coveted in walker guts I'm guessing. She smells dead, just like when she had her two minions waking around with her.
November 18, 2012 at 11:22PM ESTMike They ignore her bc she i covered in zombie guts- they cant smell her- just like season 1
November 18, 2012 at 11:24PM ESTrandy She was covered in zombie guts remember season 1
November 18, 2012 at 11:35PM ESTBrad I prefer to think of it as an homage to the recent Key & Peele sketch in which the (racist) zombies consciously avoid African-Americans.
November 18, 2012 at 11:51PM ESTBrettPoker Because she seemed to be in a surly mood, and sometimes when people get like that it's better to let them sulk in private.
November 18, 2012 at 11:54PM ESTjacksss Because she is Black...
November 18, 2012 at 11:55PM ESTjack_is_laughing It's not the guts, people. She lurks around, has one facial expression, rarely does more than growl, and never changes her emotional state. They think she's one of them.
November 19, 2012 at 12:47AM ESTHISLOCAL Yeah BUT why did she seem surprised? Wasn't this the exact reason she had the "pet" zombies on chains? To mask her scent?
November 19, 2012 at 10:27AM ESTPrintin' Mike The zombies ignored Michonne because the script compelled them to do so. Ostensibly, they ignored her because she had some zombie guts on her shirt. I find it hard to believe that this is the first time she had some spillage on her, considering the daily slaughter she engaged in for the past year. Also a bit odd that the person who lugged around two zombies for the past year (allegedly because they acted as camouflage) didn’t realize that the same effect could be achieved by little zombie goo on your shirt. Oh well. If consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, then TWD has huge brains.
November 19, 2012 at 11:05AM ESTBryan L Actually, Andrea already knew zombie guts mask human scent (she was there when Rick and Glenn pulled that trick), and certainly would have mentioned it to Michonne at some point during their eight months together, at least in reference to her pet zombies. So yeah, her surprise was completely unwarranted.
November 19, 2012 at 2:34PM ESTJoe Does anyone know if Michonne was covered in something? Guts, perhaps?
November 19, 2012 at 2:46PM ESTThad Do you remember in season one when Rick and Glenn covered themselves with guts? It's kind of like that.
November 19, 2012 at 8:46PM ESTRG So, i'm confused, she was covered in what?
November 20, 2012 at 8:33PM ESTMARIANNE
November 18, 2012 at 11:19PM EST Reply to CommentWHAT WAS THE LAST WORD OF THE CONTEST? SOME HOW I MISSED IT
DW
November 18, 2012 at 11:21PM EST Reply to CommentIf you remember from season 1, they learned that if you have walker blood/guts on you, they think you are dead. There was that seen from the first season of Rick and T-Dogg hacking apart some dead bodies and walking out on the streets of Atlanta
Ted
November 18, 2012 at 11:22PM EST Reply to CommentMichone scowled and glowered at a bunch of deserted cars! What did the cars do to her? They've somehow managed to create the show's worst character by a wide margin, when I didn't think it would be possible to get worse than Dale. Excluding everything Michone though, good episode.
Philip B i love the way she just comes down from above eye level and just easily kills everything in her path...was she hanging on to a tree, levitating ,wow her charactor is just weak.....
November 19, 2012 at 8:42PM ESTOutlawNYC
November 18, 2012 at 11:22PM EST Reply to CommentGlad that phone nonsense turned out to be just Rick acting plain crazy.. Otherwise I was having Lost flashbacks for a minute.
Froide Theme song for Rick’s phone calls: Stevie Wonder singing, “I just called to say I know you.”
November 19, 2012 at 6:32AM ESTAnyone else reminded by Rick’s dissociative breaks (in the form of phone calls) of Audrey Wyler in Stephen King/Richard Bachman’s 1996 horror novel, “The Regulators”?
Other Scott Rick had to answer the phone on Christmas or else Desmond would die?
November 19, 2012 at 9:38AM ESTHISLOCAL Good call on The Regulators. When it was revealed that he was just crazy, my first thought was "this is exactly something that Stephen King would do"..........but, King would make the guy go full-crazy and end up being the villain.
November 19, 2012 at 10:29AM ESTJay
November 18, 2012 at 11:40PM EST Reply to CommentTerrible episode.
John Agreed. Solid season thus far, but this particular ep harkened back to the bad old days, redeemed only by the final shot of Michonne making eye contact with Rick, shopping basket in hand.
November 21, 2012 at 12:55AM ESTZ-Poc Survivor
November 18, 2012 at 11:43PM EST Reply to CommentI think Michonne did pretty well considering it was 4 men with guns vs one chick with a sword.
unclevanya MICHONNE. Is a great addition to TWD, last year was terrible.
November 22, 2012 at 10:52PM ESTTHE WRITERS Turned it around this season and the exciiement is intense. I like the various characters.
They always seem to find a place to get stuff. Like the formula.
Minmin
November 18, 2012 at 11:44PM EST Reply to CommentFor once the Talking Dead hash tag both fit and didn't give away story line. Indeed, this was about missed connections, or perhaps in the case of Glen and Maggie, a connection they wished they had missed.
Echoing Alan, I like the way they are beginning to draw the story lines together: Andrea has admitted she likes the kill to the governor just at the time her friends (of eight months ago) are kidnapped by Merle. Likewise, Michonne has made a decision to open up and deliver the food and formula after watching Maggie and Glen get taken away. Promising.
And of course we still have to see how the prisoners are fit into the story line. But luckily Carol has been found. I suspect, that Daryl's feelings for her will be stronger than his fraternal feelings when Meryl finally makes contact. At least I hope so.
John Yes he did. The guy mentioned something about Rick's mental state, which gave it away.
November 18, 2012 at 11:46PM ESTjack_is_laughing Uh, anyone have a clue how Michonne managed to know to go to the prison, much less find it without being told where it was?
November 19, 2012 at 12:38AM ESTEasy Because she heard Maggie and Glen talking about a prison. Can't be many nearby, and I'm sure there's still gas station maps lying around.
November 19, 2012 at 2:10AM ESTjack_is_laughing Ha, sure, gas station maps. And the group was like two miles from the prison and it took them 8 months to find it? And they had vehicles. THIS is logical.
November 19, 2012 at 2:14AM ESTBeekayz I don't think Easy's theory is particularly unrealistic. How she knew to go to the prison is obvious (listening in to the conversation) and knowing how to get there would not have been particularly hard to find out, if she didn't know where it was already (which is very possible as we don't know any of her backstory...for all we know she could have been a guard at the prison).
November 19, 2012 at 2:36AM ESTTurtle Barbo
November 19, 2012 at 3:33AM ESTI don't find it terribly astounding she found the prison. She saw what direction Glen/Maggie's car came from. She overheard them mention they were from a prison.
It stands to reason that if two people casually drove from their base to scavenge supplies that that base must be relatively nearby.
Knows it's a prison, knows the direction they came from, knows it's pretty close.
With that information it's not like you need to be a magician to find the place.
Dave To your point jack I find it more likely once Mich heard about a prison she would find road signs or a map to point her in the right direction, near the county jail in my area there are signs on major roadways. You should have more of a problem with ricks group taking that long to find it, although we don't know the terrain.
November 19, 2012 at 8:46AM ESTanonymous They explained that it took so long for the group to find the prison because there were large packs of walkers that constrained their movement. That wouldn't apply to Michonne as she had camouflage, or they might have dissipated and wandered on to another area.
November 19, 2012 at 10:31AM ESTjack_is_laughing I can see why this show is so popular if it's this easy to blow off the plot contrivances. I will also point out that she walked there with a bullet wound to her hip. I'm sure someone will say she drove a hot-wired car there, but there's no evidence of that.
November 19, 2012 at 11:30AM ESTBasically you have to go with what the writers give you. Reading so much into the narrative that isn't shown or told is essentially letting the writers be incredibly lazy. I'll grant you that any of the things you all suggest may be revealed as accurate, but it's lazy writing to think that the group was stymied from discovering this prison for 8 months and she found in one attempt. If there are signs and maps for her to easily find, someone in our group should have the intelligence to have done the same thing.
Brian Well if they had lived anywhere near there in the past, chances are they knew where a prison was all along. But why would they suddenly one day decide to go to a prison? Would that be your first thought during a zombie apocalypse? But once she heard and knew there was a group there, she headed that way.
November 19, 2012 at 5:23PM ESTMango Michonne overheard Maggie and Glen say "from here its a straight shot back to the prison"
November 21, 2012 at 4:30PM ESTaj0125
November 18, 2012 at 11:46PM EST Reply to CommentIsn't the picture of Merle a bit spoiler-y for those a little behind? I am a few episodes behind and just wanted to see what was up on the site tonight when: there's Merle! He's alive?! It isn't the end of the world, but I would rather not have known.
Seriously? Merle's been back since the first do this season, sounds like your more than a little bit behind.
November 19, 2012 at 12:00AM ESTMatt Are you kidding me? It's a weekly recap on a site that covers current TV the moment the episodes are over. Get off the site. Merle didn't just show up this episode so you are more than a few behind. This whole anti spoiler movement has gotten to absurd levels and you exposed yourself to it.
November 19, 2012 at 12:02AM ESTaj0125 I don't want to attack and defend all night, but I do want to explain: I didn't click on the walking dead article, just alan's blog. The blog has always been very good about being spoiler free on the headlines page. I just don't understand why a picture of the one character that would be spoiler-y for people had to be on the headline page, and like I said before it is not that big of a deal, I just rather would not have seen it and thought Alan or someone might want to think about using a different picture. No need for attacks. I love this site and just because I am a few episodes behind on this one show (It is the one I watch with the wife) does not mean I am going to stop coming here.
November 19, 2012 at 12:21AM ESTYou Must Be Joking Dude you are way more than a few episodes behind if Merle surprises you, he was in the first episode of the season for crying out loud. You must be joking.
November 19, 2012 at 12:33AM ESTAlso, come on, it's plainly obvious way back in season 1 that Merle lived and would show up again.
Your complaint is unreasonable. The season has been on for weeks.
Ashley Alan's spoiler policy is strict to the point of being nazi-ish. (Which I appreciate!) If he deems the headline picture okay, then it's okay.
November 19, 2012 at 12:39AM ESTJacob "If he deems the headline picture okay, then it's okay."
November 19, 2012 at 4:21AM ESTWell you sure can think for yourself.
aj0125 I don't want to get defensive but a few people mentioned it: Merle is definitely not in the 1st episode, I have watched the first two episodes and he is not in them. Have a good night everyone.
November 19, 2012 at 6:06AM ESTSteve Armadillo
November 19, 2012 at 6:23AM ESTMerle appears in the third episode. Which aired almost a month ago. Alan is not obligated to safeguard "spoilers" for people who are a month behind on the show.
May I say, it was always inevitable that Merle would have to return. You don't have a character cut off his hand and disappear and then never show up again. Everyone knew Merle was coming back, and it wasn't exactly a big secret that it would be this season either. I mean he was in the trailer for crying out loud.
Carlos A
November 19, 2012 at 6:27AM ESTI don't think Merle being alive can even be considered a spoiler. In season 1 it was obvious that he survived.
He appeared as a hallucination in season 2 to remind viewers that he existed.
It was never a question of IF he survived, it was a question of WHEN he'd show up again.
sepinwall AJ, the spoiler policy isn't there to protect people who are weeks behind (or more, as I occasionally get complaints about photos used in very old reviews). I deliberately didn't use a picture of Merle in the first episode he appeared in, but as others say, this is the fourth. At a certain point, you have to live in the world, and if you're this far behind on a show, you take the risk of seeing something like that, here or elsewhere.
November 19, 2012 at 7:31AM ESTkarcotte so now that youare reading the comments and responding are we not allowed to ddiscussanything that happened this season? Laurie is dead, t-dog is dead, Carol is alive.
November 19, 2012 at 8:13AM ESTHISLOCAL It was also widely reported that Michael Rooker was back this season - hell, he was on the cover of Entertainment Weekly this summer, complete w/ bayonet hand.
November 19, 2012 at 10:34AM ESTElevation I heard a rumor that Shane dies. NOBODY SPOIL IT FOR ME!
November 19, 2012 at 1:02PM ESTJamesG Merle also appeared at the end of the season 3 trailer. His return is hardly a spoiler.
November 19, 2012 at 1:58PM ESTrcade Please don't tell me if Rick gets out of the tank in downtown Atlanta.
November 19, 2012 at 2:02PM ESTAlso, don't tell me who won the presidential election. I'm only caught up as far as the first debate.
yahquinn Merle is blatantly in the coming attractions to the season. Take it down a notch, babycakes.
November 19, 2012 at 3:55PM ESTaj0125 Okay okay I get it: I'm an idiot. I am blown away by how many people have come out of the woodwork to berate me on this. lesson learned. I should have never commented in the first place. From now on I shall read the site and keep my stupid thoughts to myself.
November 19, 2012 at 4:49PM ESTBrian Though that wasn't real cool of Karcotte.
November 19, 2012 at 5:26PM ESTThatMatthew AJ, for the record I think your comment was reasonable, and I apreciate that you remained calm when everyone was hating on you. If I were behind and saw that picture, I would be disappointed as well, but I also understand that, as Alan said, after a month you have to take your chances.
November 20, 2012 at 7:06PM ESTTo the people saying that Merle was in the previews, trailers, and/or promotional materials, some people (including myself) don't look at those things precisely because we don't want to know anything at all about what's going to happen.
milaxx
November 19, 2012 at 12:05AM EST Reply to CommentAndrea continues to have the absolute worst taste in men
jack_is_laughing HAHA, SNAP.
November 19, 2012 at 12:39AM ESTD And women..
November 19, 2012 at 1:53AM ESTDave I wonder what kind of men she was into in her normal life lol, excellent point milaxx. But hey, psychos need lovin too...
November 19, 2012 at 8:50AM ESTDezbot She's the Deb Morgan of this show.
November 19, 2012 at 12:39PM ESTJamesG I find it more peculiar that the Governor had any interest in her.
November 19, 2012 at 2:00PM ESTyahquinn Let's be real, both men are super hot. The world is fucked anyway.
November 19, 2012 at 3:56PM ESTNancyJ Help! What did Andrea say to The Governor, after he talked about it being a 24-hour gig (before Merle knocked on the door)??
November 19, 2012 at 4:16PM ESTGuest "should I get under the bed?"
November 20, 2012 at 5:16AM ESTWyshynski
November 19, 2012 at 12:07AM EST Reply to CommentRE: Merle at the strip mall -- I assumed he had gone way too deep into the woods (and near the zombified "red zone") and was following through on stealing a car and heading back to Woodbury, as he had indicated his group would during the Michonne hunt.
I was thinking the same exact thing.
November 19, 2012 at 12:35AM ESTbbq_hax0r I must know more about this "red zone." Is it as awesome as the Red Zone Channel? Are there zombies? Why is it named the Red Zone? Who named it the Red Zone? Has anyone ventured into the Red Zone! THESE ARE QUESTIONS!
November 19, 2012 at 7:45PM ESTMark in Omaha The Red Zone is when you get within 20 yeards of the goal line.
November 19, 2012 at 7:55PM ESTth
November 19, 2012 at 12:31AM EST Reply to CommentDidn't we figure out that it was Andrew (the escaped inmate who let in the walkers) who had been watching Carol, not the Governor and/or Merle?
jack_is_laughing That is the most logical assumption, although why Andrew would be hanging out on the walker-side of the fence doesn't make much sense. On top of the fact that he would be having to use the hole that our people created, which is in plain site of both them and all the walkers. But whatever.
November 19, 2012 at 12:42AM ESTFroide But it didn't HAVE to be Andrew watching Carol from afar. No reason why there couldn't be yet ANOTHER group out there to contend with. Let's wait and see.
November 19, 2012 at 6:41AM ESTkaare My guess is that it was Michonne lurking in the woods in episode 2 - at that point Andrea and Michonne hadn't come to Woodbury yet. Also, we know that Michonne was going out on recon while Andrea was sick (can't remember if that is in ep 1 or 2?) That would explain Michonnes knowledge of the prison. But hey, we'll see. For all its shortcomings I still love the show!
November 19, 2012 at 4:48PM ESTbbq_hax0r This show has trouble balancing two groups, let's not tempt them with a third (despite how awesome it would be!).
November 19, 2012 at 7:46PM ESTbbq_hax0r p.s. Kaare - I like your explanation!
November 19, 2012 at 7:47PM ESTrobert zombie @KAARE: Weren't Michonne and Andrea already on their way out and about together when Carol was preparing for the pregnancy? And if not, why wouldn't Michonne tell Andrea about the prison and the people there? If they've been together eight months, I'm sure Andrea must have bored her with stories of her group.
November 19, 2012 at 8:12PM ESTCan you explain how Michonne/Andrea saw the helicopter go down and yet no one at the prison seems to be aware that this happened? Military helicopters are actually very loud, and even at low altitude their sound carries for many miles. I know, because I live near an army base that serves a wide variety of helicopters, both old and new.
Then again, knowing this show, logic or physics or timelines may not matter.
mike Out of sheer boredom I checked. Michonne and Andrea go on the road in one ep, in the next Carol slices up the zomb, and the next one the helicopter crahes and they go to woodbury. so they were together when Carol gets spyed on.
November 20, 2012 at 12:01AM ESTKaare @Mike, thanks for clearing that out.
November 20, 2012 at 9:10AM ESTMango It has already been revealed who was spying - the inmate who Rick chased and thought he left to die who later ambushed them.
November 21, 2012 at 4:36PM ESTjack_is_laughing
November 19, 2012 at 12:57AM EST Reply to CommentDefinitely my least favorite episode of the new season. It is what it is, but I hate the way they led Michonne to the prison (how exactly did she find it?) and I hate the way Merle found them. I look forward to the moment where Daryl gets to kill Merle, because you know that's coming.
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November 19, 2012 at 2:19AM ESTBlackcoffee I have a memory of a shot of Michonne and Andrea hiking off and the prison is seen in the distance. If they have been surviving in that area, they might have seen it before, maybe even on a map.
November 19, 2012 at 11:18AM ESTAnd Merle and Michonne fought close to the red zone, as they are both knowledgable about the area, they went to the mall to get resources...the same way the Maggie and her guy went there for baby supplies.
jack_is_laughing I have no memory of Michonne and Andrea ever being near the prison as far as we know. The only time the prison was shown in the distance was when our group was a couple miles from it at the end of last season. There's no indication they knew of it from what has been shown. To trot that out now would be lazy writing.
November 19, 2012 at 11:38AM ESTThere's been no indication Michonne is knowledgeable about the area either, via either dialogue or behavior. You're assuming that. You can make up excuses in your mind but if the writers haven't given any plausible explanation/hint/clue, then it's just lazy writing and plot contrivances. The group couldn't find this prison for 8 months, but Michonne (suffering from a gun shot to the hip) finds it and walks there directly in a couple hours.
yahquinn I think it's safe to assume that most people are familiar with the area. For instance, Hershel lived at the farm which was relatively close to the prison. You pretty much know if you're living near a prison. I don't understand why everyone was so shocked that Michonne found it.
November 19, 2012 at 4:06PM ESTBrian I don't think it's unreasonable for people to know where relatively nearby prisons are. Or unreasonable that they wouldn't have suddenly decided to go to a prison months earlier. Perhaps she had spent time there or had family there? For a show about zombies, it sure is odd that people try to point out plot contrivances.
November 19, 2012 at 5:30PM ESTjack_is_laughing "Perhaps she had spent time there or had family there?"
November 19, 2012 at 5:39PM ESTIs that because she's black?
Brian No, white people go to prison too. But the point is, there could be many reasons, though I saw on another forum that Glenn and Maggie, while talking in front of the store, said "The prison is just a straight shot up the road." I didn't remember that dialogue, but if that's the case, it explains how she knew the direction in which to go.
November 19, 2012 at 5:54PM ESTjack_is_laughing I had to turn on close-captioning to make out exactly what Glen said but I believe you're right, Brian. I wish someone had mentioned that 10 comments ago.
November 20, 2012 at 12:08AM ESTfrowny Is that because he is asian?
November 20, 2012 at 5:22AM ESTjack_is_laughing Oh snap, that was clever.
November 20, 2012 at 11:29AM ESTGord
November 19, 2012 at 1:45AM EST Reply to CommentWhy did they dig a grave for Carol?
D They thought she was dead.
November 19, 2012 at 1:56AM ESTitschas Yeah I agree that was a bit overkill on the misdirection, but I the scene where Daryl is trying to psyche himself up to kill zombie carol might have made it worth it.
November 19, 2012 at 3:29AM ESTnotWalt Reply to comment...
November 19, 2012 at 11:24AM ESTnotWalt Fair question... and how much was there actually left to bury of the folks that did die? T-dawg had some reasonable parts that would justify a grave, but not the full-sized version that Glen had dug. And why dig (and re-fill!) graves for people that you THINK are dead and there is no body?
November 19, 2012 at 11:28AM ESTGord Yeah It was solely misdirecting the audience. But I agree, Darryl with the knife was awesome.
November 19, 2012 at 12:22PM ESTFroide Random observation: Daryl with the knife opening the closet door at the prison where he found Carol echoed Daryl with the crossbow opening the closet door at the daycare center where he found "dinner" (the possum). I'd make Daryl my official door-opener.
November 20, 2012 at 7:36AM ESTFrank
November 19, 2012 at 2:07AM EST Reply to CommentWhy didn't Carol say anything like, "Hey guys, I'm alive?" Did she lose her ability to speak?
She looked completely out of it. These people are already malnourished, and she must have been stuck in there for at least a few days. I agree that it's a pretty big leap to go downhill that fast, though.
November 19, 2012 at 2:53AM ESTDaveHF Because it made for dramatic television, she is thinking long term
November 19, 2012 at 8:56AM ESTBryan L No water. She's dehydrated. You can last for days without food, but you need water much sooner than that. I like to poke holes in this show, but that's pretty plausible.
November 19, 2012 at 2:37PM ESTJohns
November 19, 2012 at 2:17AM EST Reply to CommentMan, the phone thing is a horrible idea. It is cliched and overused. It reminds me of the twilight zone episode in which the lady was speaking to her dead fiance on the phone. Couldn't they have used another premise?
itschas it's from the comic, as I understand it 1) it's a device for people's minds to heal themselves (clearly that was the intention in this episode, as Rick got to get a kind of closure that allowed him to rejoin the group, and 2) as something like that happens to more than one character in the comic, it seems plausible that nobody survives in that world without going a little crazy
November 19, 2012 at 3:34AM ESTFroide Given who Rick was said to be conversing with in his various calls and the communications shared with each, gave interesting expositions of Rick's weighing of various options. I think his desperate pleas to allow his group to escape the present situation ("We're dying here) and be taken in at the other place (no matter where it was) seemed like he was contemplating suicide, a la the CDC folks and Jacqui. But being pressed to articulate how Lori died, having a chance to express his love for her and explain his strategy to focus on keeping her and Carl alive and then deal with their other issues later, and finally "hearing" her voice remind him to take care of his kids - their kids - gave him the resolve he needed to get it together. Now, I think Rick will swing wide in the direction of becoming a ruthless protector, better suited to deal with malevolent humans.
November 19, 2012 at 7:01AM ESTHISLOCAL I wish TV was more able to get inside someone's mind like that more often. That's what makes books great alot of the time - you are seeing the world through the eyes of an unreliable narrator, so you don't realize something is "off" until later.
November 19, 2012 at 10:38AM ESTitwasbarzini but a Black ROTARY phone? c'mon.
November 19, 2012 at 11:41PM ESTPNeville85
November 19, 2012 at 2:17AM EST Reply to CommentWasn't that baby really big for being less than a week old?
KarenX And weren't the ruffles on her clean, pretty pink jammies awfully pert for sitting around in a store for eight months? And didn't they fit her just so?
November 19, 2012 at 4:02AM ESTanonymous Newborns in films always look too old and too large, because labor laws generally don't allow actual newborns on set. They have to cast infants that are at least a couple of weeks old (in California, 15 days), and by that time they've grown a bit and lost that newborn appearance. There is special demand for infant actors that were born preterm (and especially preemie twins, as they can result in twice the effective screen time which is heavily regulated) as they look younger at 15 days than full term infants.
November 19, 2012 at 10:44AM ESTRon
November 19, 2012 at 2:23AM EST Reply to CommentMichone sucks. I don't know why she was so awesome in the comics. She's just an angry black person with a big sword. I liked it better when it was called "Blade." At least, she's not like Tracie Thoms from "Death Proof," where every sentence ended with "Sheaat!" or "Muthaf**ka!" Because you know, that's how all black girls talk.
A lol I do wish Michonne had more personality.
November 19, 2012 at 3:00AM ESTFroide I suspect Michonne's similarities with Rick, highlighted by her also using "eau de zombie guts" to walk safely amongst the Walkers, her difficulties expressing herself (a shared problem Rick evidenced when he couldn't tell the live, pregnant Lori what he was able to tell her on the phone (that he loved her but needed to focus on keeping them alive now, and deal with the other issues later), and finally their seemingly effective, wordless communication at the prison fence in the ending shot herald a simpatico between those characters.
November 19, 2012 at 7:08AM ESTHISLOCAL That's the problem with putting a "cool" comic character on the show. Imagine if you had to try to make people like Spiderman if you never could show Peter Parker - you could only show the suited hero swinging arond and punching villains. He'd be "awesome" to an 8-year-old boy, but pretty boring to the rest of us.
November 19, 2012 at 10:41AM ESTGriff I think you misunderstood the point of "Death Proof" then.
November 19, 2012 at 11:29AM ESTBrian She's my favorite character (and I don't read the comics). I typically don't like the chatty characters though.
November 19, 2012 at 5:33PM ESTBeekayz
November 19, 2012 at 2:29AM EST Reply to CommentAlan: I don't think Merle killed Neil "for the sin of suggesting they should keep hunting", but rather that he knew there was no way to change Neil's mind and prevent him from telling the Governor that Michonne was still alive. It was not done on a whim, but out of fear for what punishment disobeying the Governor would bring.
Bingo!
November 19, 2012 at 2:51AM ESTHaynie
November 19, 2012 at 2:59AM EST Reply to Comment- Was there a point to the female archer at Woodbury being sucky with her bow? I didn't get that at all, other than giving Andrea an excuse to go do her thing.
- Seems like the "repellent" effect of zombie guts would wear off fairly quickly as stuff falls off you and also dries out. Doubt Michonne could cover all the ground she did without having to put on a fresh coat.
- Was I the only one waiting for them to show that the back of Rick's phone was unplugged or had a cut line?
Froide RE: Phone - I thought the disconnected-but-plugged-in buzzing sound Hershel heard when he picked up the receiver had a similar but more subtle effect. It relayed the softer message, "Rick's hearing what he wants to hear right now, to cope with the loss and horror," rather than, "this mofo's gone stone cold crazy."
November 19, 2012 at 7:14AM ESTBlackcoffee I thought the sucky archer illustrated that the general citizenry of Woodbury have been protected and they are not the skilled killer/survivors that Rick and his group are.
November 19, 2012 at 10:59AM ESTAlso, I thought it was a good episode.
Mark in Omaha Instead of the archer being sucky, I was wondering why the zombie was inexplicably dodging the arrows. His head would suddenly jerk away after the arrow was in flight.
November 19, 2012 at 11:43AM ESTCol Bat Guano No, you weren't the only one waiting for the cord stunt, but I'm glad they managed to resist. Not a bad episode, but the Merle/Glen/Maggie/Michonne stuff was a bit too coincidental for my tastes. Also, once again Glen and Maggie "make a run into town" that results in them bringing back one box of supplies. Good planning guys.
November 19, 2012 at 12:02PM ESTben When I sweat really bad and smell bad, that smell doesn't go away until I wash it off with a ton of soap and water. I'd assume the same is true, if not moreso, for decomposing human remains smeared on oneself.
November 19, 2012 at 12:56PM ESTKatelin Yeah, I think the sucky archer was all for show 'Look how fabulous I am" - that bow, the Carbon Element is only worth a little over a grand and you certainly can't shoot one in the Olympics!
November 19, 2012 at 6:08PM ESTnm
November 19, 2012 at 3:09AM EST Reply to Comment"Are we having fun yet?" - Merle
Instantly laughed and imagined the Party Down crew dealing with this zombie apocalypse. I imagine Roman would be constantly debating the merits of the walker's behavior in relation to HARD SCI-FI.
itschas now there's a novel direction to take the long-awaited Party Down movie
November 19, 2012 at 3:35AM ESTbelinda Me too. I can't hear that phrase without imagining Adam Scott's face.
November 19, 2012 at 5:26AM ESTParty Down - Zombies edition would be amazing.
Col Bat Guano Roman and Dale would have been a fun pairing.
November 19, 2012 at 12:06PM ESTJacob
November 19, 2012 at 4:19AM EST Reply to CommentI'm suprised you thought Carol was alive. I've not read the comics and thought it was pretty obvious she'd show up eventually.
CJ
November 19, 2012 at 4:30AM EST Reply to CommentI get the purpose of the phone calls; they're giving Lori's death proper weight and allowing Rick to come to terms with it. But I thought the execution was lacking; the whole thing just got some eye rolls from me.
It's not as dramatic, but why couldn't Rick just have an emotional breakdown with Herschel and sound out his baggage that way? It just seemed kind of silly to have imaginary phone calls from the dead.
But I don't have a problem with the Merle/Michonne strip mall path crossings. Merle mentioned needing to steal a car, and Michonne obviously saw what direction Glenn and Maggie came from. Michonne has been a terrible character so far, but maybe this is the start of some characterization for her.
It's tough to tell with her wooden expression, but it seemed like we were supposed to infer that she has a bit of affection in her. She sees Glenn and Maggie being a cute little couple, kissing, talking about beautiful days and getting things for a baby (which Michonne probably assumes is theirs). And she decides to gather up the materials and deliver them in their stead and try to mount a rescue. It seems Michonne does have a bit of a soft spot.
Froide I think Rick - of all people - will be the one Michonne's best able to open up to.
November 19, 2012 at 7:16AM ESTBeekayz CJ: maybe it shows a softer side to her, but more likely she is looking after her own welfare.
November 19, 2012 at 11:12PM ESTMichonne is obviously big on intuition, and watching Glenn and Maggie behave naturally, unaware that they were being watched, gave her a much better feeling about them and therefore the group they are part of, then she felt about the Governor.
Remember, she is quite badly injured and while she might genuinely care about the welfare of Glenn and Maggie, first and foremost the information she has about them is a bargaining chip that could allow her sanctuary with Rick's group.
belinda
November 19, 2012 at 5:25AM EST Reply to CommentUgh at what they're doing to Andrea as a character. Just...ugh.
They totally kept Carol alive so Daryl can have that Bodyguard moment with her. (totally ate that up, bamf!)
Yeah it was a bit contrived to have Merle be at the quikemart area when he should have gone back to the prison, but it definitely is about time they start tying the two stories together. Hopefully Michonne becomes a better character now that she does have to talk a little more instead of just looking cool.
OldDarth 'Ugh at what they're doing to Andrea as a character. Just...ugh.'
November 19, 2012 at 11:11AM ESTTHIS!
Lori - Part 2 - here we go. :(
Bob
November 19, 2012 at 7:35AM EST Reply to CommentI thought it was incredibly stupid and contrived how Merle got the drop on Maggie and Glen despite the fact that they both had their guns aimed at him. I'm having a hard time believing neither one of them would just pull the trigger as soon as Merle made his move, especially considering what we know about both characters; maybe if it was Carol and Beth, but I don't really buy that Glen and Maggie would both turn and run at this point in the show.
Bryan L This bothered me, too. The ONLY thing I could think of was that they didn't want to kill Daryl's brother. That's the only excuse I could find. Again, stupid writing. Merle should have snuck up on Maggie and grabbed her. THEN have the conversation. As it was, it made Glenn and Maggie looks stupid and ineffective, which hasn't been the case so far.
November 19, 2012 at 10:16AM ESTDarkdoug Glen & Maggie aren't people-killers yet. They were too nervous to kill a man so quick, particularly in Glen's case, a man he knew, and who probably intimidated him when they last met. They might have become hardened to dispatching walkers, but human beings actually have mental blocks about killing one another. That's where PTSD comes from - not the danger of combat, but the trauma of overcoming the reservations against shooting people you don't personally hate. Glen & Maggie only had reasons to be wary of Merle, not to actively want him dead, and their combat training has been exclusively walker-oriented, so it is actually more plausible that their first reaction would be to flinch from his gunshot than put him down.
November 19, 2012 at 10:17AM ESTGuest Darkdoug- remember just a few short episodes ago Glen said specifically "I'd kill any number of outsiders to keep one of ours safe" or something to that effect? This isn't just "one of ours" it's his ladyfriend. Quite surprising.
November 19, 2012 at 7:02PM ESTMark in Omaha Agree, totally unbelievable. Merle shoots out the back window, Maggie screams like a little girl, drops her weapon, and turns her back on the bad guy. Glenn gives his gun up way too easy then drives them both off to God knows where.
November 19, 2012 at 7:18PM ESTLindsay @Guest
November 19, 2012 at 10:10PM ESTJust because he said that doesn't mean he has the stones to kill a living human being especially when his girlfriend's life is in danger.
Beekayz Lindsay: Spot on.
November 19, 2012 at 11:14PM ESTSaying it and doing it are two very different things.
Marty
November 19, 2012 at 9:01AM EST Reply to CommentI wondered why the Governor even bothers hunting down Michonne, but then his comments about getting her head make me question if all those heads in his secret room are others who tried to leave
DaveHF
November 19, 2012 at 9:07AM EST Reply to CommentI was trying to think and picture if Michonne was a male would her stoic unflinching disposition be more interpreted as badass, going against the grain, etc...? Would the character be more likeable I guess is what I'm asking? Not trolling here, just want other opinions.
Darkdoug I don't get how she's NOT likable. Mostly, when a woman on this show opens her mouth, it's to be wrong. All other things being equal, Michonne's silence would be a positive character trait for no other reason.
November 19, 2012 at 10:06AM ESTThat said, I pretty much interpreted her stoic unflinching disposition as badass from day one. And unlike certain blonde companions of hers in previous seasons, she completely justified such a posture.
Compare her to Andrea, with her petulant sulking; her shrieking fit when she first met Rick because he had the temerity to endanger Andrea's group before he knew they existed; her lack of combat capabilities combined with her disgruntlement about domestic chores (yes, Carol's husband was slacking, that does not mean that having the women who can't shoot do laundry is sexism); her ignoring all the cleanup work begin done after the quarry attack to cuddle her sister's body and wait until she rose to be the one to put her down (and endangering the group by risking a bite herself); her temper when Shane (a trained firearms instructor) failed to coddle her in her lessons; her arrogant and unjustified shooting of Daryl when the people with actual firearms knowledge were telling her not to shoot, or were forgoing shooting to approach on foot; and through all of this, insisting on carrying herself like she's the queen badass of the world and demanding to be respected as an equal warrior. Andrea's badass facade was completely unearned and unjustified (and she's still doing stupid stunts like jumping off the wall to fight a zombie hand-to-hand). Michonne, on the other hand has proven she can walk the walk AND talk the talk. The only complaint is that her katana should be destroyed by now. It's not an axe - you can't simply carve your way through hordes of zombies for months and still have an intact or sharp katana.
Bryan L Well, they can be sharpened, DarkDoug. She basically needs a whetstone and time to do it. The real problem is the shiny, mirror-like blade. A "servicable" katana should be a dull metallic gray. This looks like it was a decoration, bought at a convention. And those don't hold up under "use."
November 19, 2012 at 10:21AM ESTDaveHF I actually don't mind her but I've read many scathing reviews of her character (e.g. "just an angry black woman"). That's why I posed the question...
November 19, 2012 at 10:29AM ESTBrian I don't get why people don't like the character. I think it's the best one on the show. But I guess I like a quiet confidence.
November 19, 2012 at 5:37PM ESTLarryC I'm somewhere in between. I don't get why some people complain *so* much about the Michonne character, or engage in silly race-baiting type gotcha's at each other about her just. Just based on the show (I know nothing of the comics) she's just a very individualistic person who doesn't easily open up to others, a trait presumably greatly magnified by spending time surviving in a zombie apocalypse. That said since she has so little to say, it limits how interesting she can be, so far at least.
November 19, 2012 at 7:10PM ESTI agree with Darkdoug that Andrea is a much more positively unlikable character, least likable of the 'good guys' (ie excluding Merle) among the survivors of the original Rick group.
bbq_hax0r Michonne is a terribly written character with immense flaws. Her actions are illogical, stupid, and come off as immature.
November 19, 2012 at 8:03PM ESTWhen she was staying at Woodbury. She continued to act like a caged animal that was simply trying to get expelled. She refused to open up to anyone, even Andrea with whom she spent the last 8mos. She confronted the Governor twice w/o any substance. She demanded that Andrea "trust her" without even saying any of her reasons for distrusting the gov or wanting to leave. She's a terrible character. Hopefully her joining up with Rick can salvage her, but even that wouldn't excuse this character.
Brian Michonne trusts her instincts, and she saw plenty of peculiar things while at Woodbury, such as the bullet holes in the army vehicles, the Governor's zombie daughter, a book with a list of names, zombies caged up....she knew something was wrong with the place. Her gut has proved to be correct.
November 19, 2012 at 8:26PM ESTbbq_hax0r And yet she couldn't articulate ANY of this to Andrea?
November 19, 2012 at 10:31PM ESTBrian Well the problem with circumstantial stuff like that is that people will think you are paranoid or not get the same gut feeling regarding odd things like that. There was nothing concrete, and she may have felt like Andrea may have brought these things up to the Governor and put them both in danger.
November 19, 2012 at 10:42PM ESTbbq_hax0r That makes no sense. Michonne was trying to convince her partner of 8 months to flee a place with her and rather than appear crazy she freaks out and refuses to even mention any of the "circumstantial evidence" and tells Andrea it's all a hunch, so she doesn't appear crazy. Yea she managed that alright.
November 20, 2012 at 2:06AM ESTAND @BRIAN I never got the impression that Michonne actually saw the Governor's zombiefied daughter. She was pearing up into the Governor's window from outside as if she suspected something but did she actually see him with his dead daughter? And if she did see this her not telling Andrea doesn't make sense. Yet another character flaw.
November 20, 2012 at 10:33AM ESTDaniel
November 19, 2012 at 9:30AM EST Reply to CommentCan someone explain to me why when 40% of Americans believe the earth is around 8,000 years old and 72% believe in the devil why we don't find one person saying Nostradamus or the Book of Revelation predicted all this, or at least pondering that great existential question of whether all this might be existential proof that God (whether it be is Yawveh or even Shiva) doesn't exist?
OK, so we got a nod to right-to-life for Zombies, and a tut-tut over an abortifacient for Lori, but aren't we dealing with a cross section of American life?
At least in the Sarah Connor Chronicles we had a guy ditch the KJV Bible in the grave for what one would have thought were very logical reasons.
Do The Walking Dead writers assume no one has any religious belief at all, let alone one which might easily be demolished by this new landscape for humanity?
Other Scott I think Jacqui mentioned once that the zombie apocalypse might be judgement from God. There was also the God debate between Herschel and Rick last season.
November 19, 2012 at 9:45AM ESTMostly, the answer is "Because the show doesn't want to go there," and because how divisive such a topic is, I don't blame them at all.
Darkdoug Why would a person who has had a central facet of their life demolished still be going on? I mean, a lot of lame things have caused people to slack off and subsequently quickly get killed, so a loss of faith is probably one of those traits with a high survival quotient.
November 19, 2012 at 9:53AM ESTPeople like that either had no real conviction in their faith worth mentioning, so the loss is no big deal, or else they might be embarassed to mention it.
What would be even more likely is extreme, apocalyptic religious movements, taking the undead as some sort of sign or punishment.
Also, despite what Hollywood seems to think, religion is not dependent on things working out and going your way so that you lose it when you realize God is not Aladdin's genie and doesn't hand you everything on a silver platter. For the spoiled, egotistical sort of person who is generally held to be the archetype of Hollywood performer, personal inconvenience or suffering is absolutely a deal-breaker on the religion issue (or more likely an excuse to abandon the generally strict morals of most organized religions). The reality is that for anyone who takes religion seriously, the Problem of Evil has long ago been dealt with, and their religious education has a ready answer for it.
What is more, believers are far more likely to accomodate something like the zombies in their personal belief system than throw the whole thing out when something new pops up. Speaking as a practicing Catholic, I can think of no reason why a zombie apocalypse would interfere with my religion or discredit in any way. I can recall no doctrine or dogma contradicted by zombies.
DaveHF Is this that important to you in the grand scheme of the show? They don't have the luxury of sitting around having grandiose philosophical discussions. If that's where the show headed I think people would become disinterested very quickly. They've got a great thing going, why deviate? If you just need one scene where they burn a Bible, Quran, etc i couldn't care less, but the last thing I'd want is for this show to become preachy.
November 19, 2012 at 9:57AM ESTGuest "Is this that important to you in the grand scheme of the show? They don't have the luxury of sitting around having grandiose philosophical discussions."
November 19, 2012 at 7:07PM EST---
Ahem. For your consideration, the entire middle of Season 2.
Mark in Omaha 40% of Americans don't know how old the earth is? God, we are doomed.
November 19, 2012 at 7:31PM ESTIt could be interesting if they brought in (for a few episodes) a character that had been a priest before the zompacolypse ala the Curate in War of the Worlds. How would that person cope with the sanctity of life in that scenario. Of course that person could end up slightly crazed and more than willing to off zombies in order to free their immortal souls.
LarryC Agree with Darkd on this, in the cartoonish Hollywood view of religion (Christianity particularly) where believers are simpletons who think God will always make everything on earth OK for everyone, and religious leaders are all charlatans or worse, religion would quickly disappear in a zombie apocalypse. In the real world where the apparent paradox between a just and loving God and the world's sufferings actually has already occurred to religious believers (who knew?), the world where real plagues wiped out large %'s of the population in various places in the ancient and medieval times (with more suffering for the victims than this disease apparently causes before death), the reaction would be a lot more complicated, at least. And the show did hint at a somewhat realistic version in season 2 with Herschel and Rick's discussion.
November 19, 2012 at 7:37PM ESTBut the obvious reason that angle hasn't been emphasized is that it risks turning off too many viewers, whether the standard Hollywood line or nuanced and realistic versions were presented, just different viewers.
Daniel As it happens, if women are prepared to talk about missing their vibrator then, sh*t yeah, people will talk about everything from the TV shows they miss to whether there might be some spooky religious way to ward off zombies (from garlic to a crucifix to some New Age crystals) to whether this is a judgement of God to whether God might not exist at all.
November 20, 2012 at 12:27AM ESTOne thing for certain is they all have plenty of time huddling around talking about stuff before bed time.
I don't see how this would make the show "preachy". Hell, America so very preachy already (or did some people fail to notice what was discussed in the recent Republican primaries), add Armageddon to it and what do you think would happen?
V had an ex-Army chaplain priest. Firefly had Shepherd Book (whose military skills were never explained). Even the last episode of Sons of Anarchy had Death Row conversion, which ended up being a ruse of some sort.
Like I said, 72% of Americans believe in Satan, and one would think there is nothing like a zombie apocalypse to get people swapping theories, and that is about as far from a "grandiose philosophical discussion" as I can imagine, given the circumstances.
Besides, the closest thing we got to a "grandiose philosophical discussion" was Dale's final monologue.
I mean, we haven't even seen a Zombie priest yet with a dog collar.
AND That's actually a really good point. I know a ton of ultra religious folks, bible freaks etc. its a bit strange they didnt write a character like this in the show even a temporary character would suffice. As someone who has never read the comics, I assumed that the Governor would be the extremely religous crazed cult leader guy but he's actually turned out to be all of the things minus the religous part. ha
November 20, 2012 at 3:17PM ESTDarkdoug
November 19, 2012 at 9:40AM EST Reply to CommentWow, Soul Asylum? Haven't heard that song in years. Thanks ever so much for getting it stuck in my head again, Alan!
Printin' Mike
November 19, 2012 at 9:51AM EST Reply to CommentWho but a 10 year old boy would write a script that has Andrea and the Governor bonding over professional wrestling? We’re watching a TV show written by a 10 year old boy. Has Robert Kirkman spent his entire life inside of his bedroom, never having met another human being?
Alan’s comments are certainly on-point – I would love to know the answers to why any of the Woodbury characters act the way that they do. However, I think we must acknowledge that we’re not going to like any answers that TWD deigns to provide. Those answers are likely to make about as much sense as two adult human beings hooking up because of their love of professional wrestling.
DaveHF I thought the idea behind the event made a lot of sense, especially if you've studied group dynamics. Didn't Andrea hate the event too?
November 19, 2012 at 10:05AM ESTPrintin' Mike @DaveHF: No, Andrea in this episode admitted that she actually loved the professional wrestling - she said that it was hard for her to admit it, which is why she acted disgusted at first. True love acts in mysterious ways.
November 19, 2012 at 11:12AM ESTFroide I don't think Andrea gained clarity on her feelings about the 'rasslin' match until after she remembered how empowering it was to kill "biters" up close and personal, and then saw the incompetent archer-gal's reactions ("we're not allowed to cross the barricade," and "this is NOT a game!"). Plus killing that last biter got Andrea all hot 'n bothered, just like she got with Shane.
November 19, 2012 at 11:42AM ESTPrintin' Mike Of all the character inconsistencies on the show, Andrea’s is probably the most frustrating to me (maybe because I think the actress who plays her is hot and I’d like to see more consistent and compelling character development for her). One moment she’s the dumb blonde; then she’s a hardcore zombie-killer; then she’s an incompetent naïf; then she’s catatonic; then she’s sympathetic with Shane’s insanities; then she’s sympathetic with Lori insanities; then she’s the voice of reason; then she’s best friends with the scowling mute; then she’s professional wrestling’s uber-fan. (I kinda get the feeling that Robert Kirkman has never spoken to a girl before.)
November 19, 2012 at 12:16PM ESTDaveHF @printin'mike, I may have missed that part, my kid woke up so I missed some but I thought she just said she liked the killing part when the group was battling zombies, not the wrestling..
November 19, 2012 at 2:26PM ESTGreg S
November 19, 2012 at 2:51PM ESTThe singular issue that puzzles me the most, every week, is reading the comments to Alan's blog and trying to deduce why in the world Printin' Mike continually watches a show that he completely and utterly disdains.
It's impossible to answer.
Old Benjie
November 19, 2012 at 2:52PM ESTWell said Greg, I've been wondering that myself too ha ha.
Like, I don't like the show Revolution. I think I'll keep watching it every week and then go discuss it ceaselessly in a blog somewhere. Makes sense. Ha ha.
Printin' Mike @GregS: You can’t imagine both liking and hating a show at the same time? Guess you haven’t watched much TV:) I love the concept of this show and look forward to watching it each week. And, at the same time, am consistently disappointed by large parts of it (mostly the characterizations and the dialogue).
November 19, 2012 at 3:07PM ESTMark in Omaha Agree with actress playing Andrea being hot. That shot of her thigh was nice, wish they could show more.
November 19, 2012 at 7:39PM ESTAgree that you can watch the show each week but be turned off by bad writing, directing, acting. or character inconsistency.
Agree that Andrea "hated the wrestling match before she was in favor of it".
Disagree that showing a woman changing her mind 3 or 4 times in an hour means the show producer has never met a woman, cause I've dated lots of women and it seems spot on to me.
(I like Printing Mike's comments and agree with him most of the time.)
Printin' Mike Thanks Mark. And, you make a good point – inconsistency in thought and behavior is certainly a consistent human trait (women and men alike are guilty). What I object to about TWD’s treatment of Andrea is the complete absence of any kind of acknowledgment by the show that Andrea’s character IS all over the map. It would be easy enough to accomplish - a snide comment by one of the other characters would suffice. Instead, the audience is left with the impression that TWD writers suffer amnesia regarding Andrea after every single episode.
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