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Review: 'The Newsroom' - 'News Night 2.0': Off to see the wizard?

Mackenzie unveils a new philosophy for the show, and Will discusses immigration

<p>Olivia Munn in "The Newsroom."</p>

Olivia Munn in "The Newsroom."

Credit: HBO

A review of tonight's "The Newsroom" coming up just as soon as I am the integrity...

"We don't do good television. We do the news!" -Mackenzie

In my review of the premiere episode, I noted that "The Newsroom" is simultaneously trying to work as drama and as a critique of the current state of the news media and American political discourse. For the most part, the premiere managed to balance the two objectives so that the latter didn't interfere with the former. With "News Night 2.0," Aaron Sorkin's twin objectives frequently get in each other's way.

Last week, Sorkin assembled the characters and established their goals and the stakes. "News Night 2.0" is about them figuring out how to achieve those goals, which unfortunately happens in a series of incredibly dry, wonky discussions about journalistic ethics and bias. And in terms of the substance of her remarks, I agree with much of what Mackenzie has to say to the staff. The media in general and cable news in particular too often operate without thinking these days(*), and the idea that every story should present both sides — or, at least, that both sides should be be given roughly equal weight — is one that's gotten way out of hand.

(*) And wasn't it nice of Fox News and, especially, CNN to provide Sorkin with fodder for a future episode by rushing to report the Supreme Court's healthcare verdict and getting it wrong as a result? Assuming the show is around long enough to bring the characters into the summer of 2012, is there any way that ruling isn't the centerpiece of a "Newsroom" episode? 

But what works as a policy statement and what works as a scene of dramatic television aren't always the same thing, and too many of these arguments — Mac with the staff, Charlie with Reese from corporate(**), Reese with Will, Don with Maggie — felt flat and lifeless as drama — or, at times, comedy. With "The West Wing," Sorkin had a good handle on how to argue his beliefs within an interesting dramatic context. There were either real stakes for the characters, or good jokes, or both, mixed in, so that whether or not you agreed with Sorkin's politics,  whether or not you were interested in this particular issue, there was some satisfaction to take out of these kinds of scenes. And that wasn't the case here, for me. 

(**) Played by Chris Messina from "Damages," and from Mindy Kaling's upcoming FOX sitcom "The Mindy Project."

Sorkin tried to spice up the staff meeting, for instance, with the jokes about Will memorizing the wrong names and Mac not understanding the new email rules. But the former was part of a weirdly tone-deaf attempt to establish that for all his abrasiveness, Will is secretly awesome (more on that in a bit), while the latter was setting up a payoff that was A)painfully telegraphed and B)betrayed Sorkin's continued discomfort with and misunderstanding of technology. In this day and age (to which I include the spring of 2010), who uses the asterisk when composing any email, and particularly one meant to go to one individual? Even if you allow for Mac having been out of the country for several years, nobody used email that way before she would have gone overseas, and certainly not on a Blackberry that would auto-fill the address. (Neal even mentions that auto-complete has now been enabled, which makes the asterisk redundant.) If he wanted to make it a joke about, say, Mackenzie forgetting not to reply-all to things, it still would have been an incredibly predictable joke, and part of an unfortunate descent from magnificence last week to bubbleheadedness this week (in an episode that wasn't particularly kind to Maggie, either), but at least the internal logic of the terrible joke(***) would have made sense.

(***) One unintentionally funny part of the joke: because Gary Cooper is played by Chris Chalk, who played Tom Walker on "Homeland," when Mac trashed Gary's phone, I immediately pictured him going to get his sniper rifle.

And then the flip side to the drama/ethics issue is that there are times where the need to generate conflict winds up undercutting the very arguments Sorkin is attempting to make. So he has Mackenzie talk about not wanting to engage with the sideshow of American politics, and yet the story is constructed in a way where they can't get anyone respectable to defend the Arizona immigration law, and instead wind up with a bunch of cartoon characters embodying the worst stereotypes of the right wing. I'm not saying those people don't exist — each side of the aisle has plenty of wingnuts — but it becomes hard to take Sorkin's arguments seriously about not indulging these people for the sake of entertainment value or a cheap point if he then does exactly that.

Similarly, Will tells Reese that Sarah Palin is irrelevant to the political scene at this point and doesn't want to feature her on the show, yet we wind up seeing her Holland/Norway gaffe, and hearing Will very lamely try to defend it. On the character side of things, both the militia member who named his rifle "Jenny" and Palin help illustrate how "News Night" and Will aren't where they want to be yet, stuck between the old way of doing things and the right way; on the media critique side, it's Sorkin doing things the old way to score points for his side.

"News Night 2.0" also introduces Olivia Munn as financial reporter Sloan Sabbith. Munn doesn't get much to do in this episode, and is mainly used to set up Mackenzie's defense of Will as "the good guy," all evidence on the show itself to the contrary.

Obviously, Mackenzie's point of view on Will need not be the show's point of view on Will. She does, after all, have reason to feel guilty about the end of their relationship. But Will's behavior throughout the pilot, and through much of "News Night 2.0" isn't that of a great guy, but an ass whose first instinct is to treat people badly, even if he can sometimes make a half-hearted effort to go against that instinct. He acts proud that he's memorized everyone's name, and it's amusing to at least see that pride deflate instantly as he realizes that he knows so little about the staff that he had mostly memorized the names of people who aren't on it anymore. But Mackenzie keeps calling him a good guy, even as he whips his Blackberry at the camera, tanks the immigration segment to spite her, etc. Even the scene near the end where he tells Neal he wants to pay for the Spokane man's cab fare and keep it private reminds me of stories I've heard about incredibly famous, powerful people (George Steinbrenner immediately comes to mind) who famously treated people awfully but would from time to time do something amazingly generous like that and insist on keeping it private. That kind of good deed suggests Will is aware of his bad behavior and feels guilty about it, but it's more of a Band Aid on a bigger problem.

"We Just Decided To" had its issues, but on the whole made me feel glad Sorkin was back on TV and back doing a show like this. "News Night 2.0" unfortunately magnified many of the problems I had with that first episode, while losing some of the elements (Mac being in complete command even in such an untenable situation, the staff coming together to do a kick-ass newscast) I had liked the most.

Before we open it up to comments, let me remind you again about the blog's commenting rules — the parts about civility in general and politics in particular. As I said last week, it's going to be impossible to discuss this show without discussing politics on some level, so the primary goals should be the following: 1)Try as much as possible to restrict it to the context of the show itself; I don't want an actual debate about immigration policy here. 2)Remember, as always, to be polite. You may not agree with someone politically, or about the quality of this show or the way it presents issues you care about, but if you can't discuss things without name-calling or other hostility, your comment gets deleted. (And please feel free to email me if you see a comment that you feel is out of line.)

With all that in mind, what did everybody else think?

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Alan Sepinwall
Sr. Editor, What's Alan Watching
Alan Sepinwall has been reviewing television since the mid-'90s, first for Tony Soprano's hometown paper, The Star-Ledger, and now for HitFix. His new book, "The Revolution Was Televised," about the last 15 years of TV drama, is for sale at Amazon. He can be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com
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    Andrew

    The part where Will offers to pay the cab fare for the man in Spokane, and Dev Patel subsequently gushing and asking if he can put it on the blog, was a direct echo for Mandy gushing about President Bartlett going holiday shopping in Season One's Christmas episode "In Excelsis Deo" and asking if she can call press to cover it... only the updated version.

    I realize there are so many of these echos, and You Tube mash ups of all this Sorkinisms and whatnot, but that one really stood out to me for some reason.

    July 1, 2012 at 11:13PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Sara That Youtube video of Sorkinisms destroyed my entire belief system about Sorkin. How has he gotten away with plagiarizing himself for so long?

      July 1, 2012 at 11:48PM EST
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      Sorkinian You missed a bunch:

      1) Muhammed al Muhammed el Muhammed bin Bazir - Josh Lyman said it once. Apparently Sorkin thinks it's not offensive if it's used as a real name rather than a hypothetical terrorist.

      2) Another use of the phrase "You said three things that all mean the same thing." Used in both Sports Night and The West Wing. Probably in Studio 60 too, but I don't know it well.

      3) Will's ceiling fell on him because of construction. That happened to Josh, though to Sorkin's credit I thought the metaphor this time was well done and, if I remember correctly, more apt.

      July 2, 2012 at 12:09AM EST
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      Drew Melbourne And the line about not having any friends comes from Studio 60, and maybe some of the earlier shows...

      July 2, 2012 at 1:11AM EST
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      sepinwall The Sorkin supercut video amused but didn't trouble me. You could make a similar video of Milch-isms, or Shonda Rhimes phrases that appear in multiple Shonda shows, etc. When you have a writer with a distinctive voice, who writes many episodes of many series, he or she will repeat him or herself a good amount, sometimes unconsciously, sometimes because they just like a particular turn of phrase and want to use it again and again.

      July 2, 2012 at 7:09AM EST
    • while i agree the Sorkin-isms, Milch-isms, and Rhimes-isms are the cost of a writer-creator wearing so many hats and doing the difficult job of creating their visions, i find all three of them (and others) drearily tiring.

      i think that's the thing about THE NEWSROOM, i feel bloodied to a pulp by the barrage of the "ism" -- and yet right now i am so deathly bored by the lack of tv on this summer that i can't stop watching. like watching a train wreck.

      July 2, 2012 at 7:23AM EST
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      Sara Alan, where is the dividing line between a "turn of phrase" and borrow entire chunks of dialogue, motifs, and parables? Reusing "to say nothing of the fact" is fine, but having Leo and Isaac quote the same "famous monk" is unacceptable. It cheapens both of those characters (and damn fine characters they are). Reusing situations like "Flirt with me," "Hello" from the Newsroom pilot and Sports Night just seems cheap. Sorkin is making me retroactively dislike his previous characters because they are now lacking originality. Isaac and Leo can fit an archetype, that's fine. But they can't use the same references or repeat the same words of advice.

      July 2, 2012 at 9:39AM EST
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      JREinATL "where is the dividing line between a "turn of phrase" and borrow entire chunks of dialogue, motifs, and parables?"

      Why does there have to be a dividing line? I don't understand this idea of "self-plagiarism." You can't "steal" your own ideas. Sure, it's derivative, and if you don't want to pay twice for the same product, I can't say I blame you. But I don't see why there would be anything immoral about re-using your own work.

      July 3, 2012 at 10:21AM EST
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      guest Reusing one's own ideas over and over thru'out several bodies of work is, to me, what makes an artist formulaic, mediocre and stagnant. There are those whose books and tv shows I used to love when I first discovered them but now make me cringe because of the re-cycling of themes, "voice", speech, nuances and plot lines. Sorkin is a good example of a voice that was once new and invigorating but has since proven formulaic, mediocre and stagnant.....When a creator's voice becomes the art, that's when I move on in search of someone with a message that is compelling above and beyond the way they say it.

      July 4, 2012 at 1:34PM EST
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    John

    I quite enjoyed the pilot (even with reservations), but even putting all the political stuff aside, that simply was not a good hour of television. I frequently found myself on the verge of throwing something at the TV, and the quote you used from Mac at the beginning of the article was perfect evidence of that. Not only do people not speak like that, but if they would, they would get punched in the face for acting like complete a**clowns. The political stuff wears on me, but this was just bad television.

    July 1, 2012 at 11:21PM EST Reply to Comment
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      John PS. Aaron Sorkin could learn a thing or two about nuanced characterization from SHUN653.

      July 1, 2012 at 11:24PM EST
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    Jon Weisman

    Sorkin, who unabashedly deus-ex-machinaed it in episode one by having a producer's relatives just happen to be knowing insiders in the BP-Haliburton story, wasn't afraid to go right back to the well by having Alison Pill's character have an ex-boyfriend who was in the Arizona governor's office.

    Sorkin then has Pill's character behave in absolutely ridiculous fashion in order to get the needed plot-point screw-up. The scene didn't work as drama, period – and if it worked as comedy, the joke was lost on me.

    What's bizarre is that the more interesting story, no matter what your politics are, would have been to actually have a reasonable person from Arizona come on to Will's show.

    I didn't think episode two was appreciably worse than episode one – neither was unwatchable, but both had more flaws than I can keep track of.

    July 1, 2012 at 11:23PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Dr. Dunkenstein "What's bizarre is that the more interesting story, no matter what your politics are, would have been to actually have a reasonable person from Arizona come on to Will's show. "

      I don't know if that's true. There's only so much they can get out of a bunch of super competent people doing their job well and I'm sure we'll get a ton of it in the coming weeks. This episode dealt with the problems that I'm sure arise when a newscast can't get the right guest on.

      After last week, where things lined up a little too perfectly for the newscast, I think it was valuable to get a glimpse of things when they go haywire. Yes, the reason things going bad being another crazy coincidence was over the top, but this show can't be about them putting on the perfect show every week.

      July 1, 2012 at 11:33PM EST
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      John "but this show can't be about them putting on the perfect show every week"

      Actually, that's the goal of the show, which (in my mind) is what makes it tough to watch. To quote Andy Greenwald: "Monday-morning-quarterbacking passed off as heoism"

      July 1, 2012 at 11:41PM EST
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      Dr. Dunkenstein I'm confused then. Aren't you saying they're damned if they do and damned if they don't? The times when the show is about them getting it right it's monday morning quarterbacking and when they get it wrong, like tonight, then the only interesting stories can come from them getting it right.

      Sure, the goal of the people on the show(and to be fair you should distinguish between the show and the show within the show) is to put on a good show every night but they're human and they make mistakes.

      I mean, the West Wing was about the Bartlett administration trying to run the country perfectly too but they messed up from time to time.

      July 1, 2012 at 11:51PM EST
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      John The characters yelling at a dumb miss USA (or w/e) contestant is not "them getting it wrong". the characters may be in no way perfect, but they have yet to be displayed as "wrong", so I am unsure what you are referring to.

      July 2, 2012 at 12:05AM EST
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      Dr. Dunkenstein The reason the dumb Miss USA contestant was on the show(Will McAvoy's fictional show) in the first place was because Alison Pill's character acted unprofessionally in her phone interview with the Governer's press secretary. Because of her mistake they had to scramble for guests, they got bad guests and the show(again, Will McAvoy's show) was bad as a result.

      This wasn't a case of monday morning quarterbacking. This was a case where Will McAvoy's staff weren't presented as the ultimate paragons of journalistic professionalism. They screwed up and this episode was about the fallout from it and how it impacted the kind of show they're trying to make.

      July 2, 2012 at 12:11AM EST
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      John Sorry, I guess I was making assumptions regarding the word 'wrong'. I was thinking screwed up a news story, rather than did their job poorly. But, yes. You're right. It was not Monday-morning-quarterbacking. I just viewed it as Aaron Sorkin creating a dumb sorority girl from Arizona just to yell at her and to prove how right he was.

      July 2, 2012 at 12:23AM EST
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      Dr. Dunkenstein I'm as uneasy as anyone about Sorkin's gender politics but, I think in this case anyways, the far more pressing example is Alison Pill's character.

      I mean, I suppose I'd understand the objection if Sorkin in anyway presented the guests on the show as the most reasonable people who could try and defend the law but that was the polar opposite of how they were presented. They were described as the least credible possible guests to have on the show.

      Should they have had a credible person on the show defending that side of the immigration debate? Not necessarily because the whole point of the show seems to be that objectivity should trump neutrality but even in this case they did have someone speaking for the other side in this case it was the freakin' main character of the show.

      July 2, 2012 at 12:36AM EST
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      Drew Melbourne I think Sorkin's point with that segment wasn't that the Conservative viewpoint is idiotic. (After all, Will spends the whole segment trying to force feed them reasonable Conservative arguments.) It's that there are a lot of nutjobs on the Conservative side. You can argue about whether that's fair or not, but I don't think his point is really about the position itself.

      July 2, 2012 at 1:14AM EST
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      John Thats a very interesting point Drew. Although whether or not the audience views it as such is an entirely different question. I think that is a rational, well thought out, opinion. Unfortunately, I think it's a bit TOO rational, and I believe how the debate was perceived (and how it was written) was for a more visceral reaction.

      July 2, 2012 at 1:34AM EST
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      JerseyRudy One of the main points of this show is that you should not dumb it down in order to reach a larger audience. If the audience did not pick up the difference between the reasonable arguments made by Will and the nutjobs, then that is their problem, not the shows.

      July 2, 2012 at 6:06AM EST
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    Jon Weisman

    Dr. Dunkenstein, I think there are lots of ways you could still tell an interesting story with competent characters – I shudder to think that you would need incompetent straw men for interesting TV.

    July 1, 2012 at 11:39PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Dr. Dunkenstein I think you kind of missed what I was getting at. The characters(working on the newscast) are still competent, they just screwed up tonight. This episode was about them screwing up and not being able to get good guests for the show. I think there was quite a bit of comedy there.

      I mean, it was well acknowledged by everyone on the show that the guests they got were not good representatives of the side of the argument they were there presenting and I thought the show got good mileage of Daniels having to sputter through pretending they were.

      July 1, 2012 at 11:46PM EST
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    Dr. Dunkenstein

    Alan, it seems a little bit in this review that you're kind of operating under two assumptions that I'm not sure are fair at this point. The first being that Mackenzie is being used as Sorkin's sock puppet and the second is that you seem to think that Sorkin is incapable of distinguishing between what he's doing and an actual news show.

    So Mackenzie thinks that the nuttier elements of a story shouldn't be catered to on a show that purports to be a serious newscast? Ok, it seems like there's some agreement there between you and Sorkin(and me, for what it's worth)

    But The Newsroom isn't a serious newscast. So how is it in anyway undercutting that argument for a show that is not a serious newscast to engage them for entertainment value? Maybe it's just me but I'm going into this series fully expecting for it to be Sorkin commenting as much about modern society and politics as it is the ins, outs and ethics of the news business and therea are tons of things that are going to be off-limits for a news cast but are prime targets for a HBO Sorkin-written Dramedy.

    July 1, 2012 at 11:40PM EST Reply to Comment
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      John "The first being that Mackenzie is being used as Sorkin's sock puppet and the second is that you seem to think that Sorkin is incapable of distinguishing between what he's doing and an actual news show"

      Mackenzie is being used as Sorkin's sock puppet. She is his character. If he wanted her to say/act something differently, he has the control to do so.

      "Sorkin is incapable of distinguishing between what he's doing and an actual news show" He lost that freedom when he started commenting/writing about actual news events.

      July 1, 2012 at 11:47PM EST
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      Dr. Dunkenstein The fact that a character is being written by a creator doesn't mean the character is saying exactly what the creator thinks and feels(I'm assuming so, anyways, otherwise we really need to look into Thomas Harris' freezer)

      And I don't think anyone ever loses the freedom to distinguish between the drama series they're writing and an actual news cast.

      July 1, 2012 at 11:54PM EST
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      John My apologies. I think I may have been thinking something else re: sock puppet / Mackenzie. You may have read Alan's article as though it was Sorkin was speaking through Mackenzie. I didn't read the column or show as such, but that's fair.

      RE: the other point. I still stand by what I said. I do not believe you can take a drama series as just a drama series when they are commenting on how dumb people were 2 years ago...

      July 2, 2012 at 12:13AM EST
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      Dr. Dunkenstein I'm not taking it as "just" a drama show. Like I said, I fully expect that this show is going to be a launching pad for Sorkin to comment on all sorts of issues both two years ago and now.

      But you, and I guess I'm saying Alan, seem to think that means that he's essentially writing a newscast and is therefore subject to the same criteria a journalist would be. But he's not a journalist. And just because certain journalist characters he's writing will say something about how journalism should be doesn't mean that's how his show necessarily has to be because, again, he's not a journalist.

      July 2, 2012 at 12:18AM EST
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      John I have now idea what Alan thinks / was thinking while writing the review. My point was only that in my opinion (for w/e thats worth), it no longer is a 'pure' drama when I have to have certain ideals forcefed down my throat. So when ignoring the blatantly political aspects, I just found it to be bad drama>

      July 2, 2012 at 12:34AM EST
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      Dr. Dunkenstein I don't know what you mean by "Pure" drama but I don't see how things change. He's still not bound by rules of journalistic ethics and the same things that make for good news don't necessarily make for good drama.

      Personally, I didn't see how this episode forcefed any political ideology to anyone. Will McAvoy was presented as being in favour of the immigration law and made, I thought(and I'm not overly partisan on this issue being Canadian), the best point in the debate by pointing out that it was easy for the other journalists to take the stance they did when they aren't in danger of losing their jobs to illegal aliens.

      July 2, 2012 at 12:43AM EST
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      John By "pure" drama, I simply meant unattached from actual events.

      My opinions have nothing to do with political ideology. What I was trying to say was just a complaint that when Sorkin comments on 2-year old events, it comes off as preachy. In my mind, it becomes impossible to detach what Sorkin (or the show) is saying, from reality.

      July 2, 2012 at 12:53AM EST
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      Dr. Dunkenstein That doesn't help much. Angels in America isn't a "pure" drama because it's about things that actually happened?

      Anyways, I don't have a similar problem. I have no doubt that Sorkin's point of view will come off as being preachy but so has David Simon's and it's suited him pretty well.

      July 2, 2012 at 1:06AM EST
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      sedeyus Sorkin's probably one of the most unsubtle writers there is. That doesn't make him a bad writer but he's clear on what he wants you thinking in a scene or a series. Read any of the interviews promoting The Newsroom. He's basically quoting Mackenzie word for word on what would be good reporting.

      July 2, 2012 at 1:13AM EST
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      John I can not speak to Angels in America. But the incredibly specific local reality with which David Simon was working, is entirely different from grandstanding about national events 2 years after the fact.

      July 2, 2012 at 1:15AM EST
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    Sara

    I'm going to start a Sorkin drinking game. Whenever a female acts irrationally (Mac obsessing over Will with Sloan) or over-emotionally (every.scene.with.Maggie.OMG.), take a drink. When both happen at the same time, two drinks. You'll be drunk within the first fifteen minutes.

    I loved last week's episode, but this was just infuriating. I must have yelled "BECAUSE SHE'S FEMALE!" at my TV twenty times. Seriously, Sorkin's been told he has gender problems from the beginning, so why hasn't he gotten any better at writing women?

    July 1, 2012 at 11:47PM EST Reply to Comment
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      nic919 Mac drove me nuts this episode. She was acting like a teenage girl and not an adult woman in a workplace with adults. Why the hell would she feel the need to get into her history with Will with the rest of the staff? They don't need to like him to respect him. And she would have worked in other newsrooms I know this.

      July 2, 2012 at 12:52AM EST
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      John @Sara- getting better at writing women would require growth (especially re: characterization and dialogue)...not Sorkins strengths.

      July 2, 2012 at 1:49AM EST
    • maybe beyond / because of this "woman" problem of Sorkin's clouding the issue, it has taken me a while to get to the crux of the problem of THE NEWSROOM for me: i am amazed at how miscast this show is. i find it utterly discouraging when there are so many actors out there who could have done the Sorkin language -- and even the problematic women characters -- more justice.

      watching a tv show, or at least the reason i watch a tv show, i really sort of need to like and care about the characters in the show. i know i'm only going to be lucky enough to have Coach and Tami Taylor in my life in rare instances but these characters i'm not even bothering to IMDB/Wikipedia them (like i usually do).

      i think that is squarely the fault of Sorkin and whoever let him put this confusing, uncomfortable, chemistry-less cast together.

      July 2, 2012 at 7:30AM EST
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      Sara You know, during the scene with Mac and Sloan, I kept seeing Dana from Sports Night, one of the most frustrating female characters from Sorkin's oeuvre. And I realized it was because, long after the other party has checked out (Sloan in this case), both Dana and Mac continue talking about relationships past the point of rationality, professionalism, or credibility. Am I really supposed to believe that Mac or Dana are fantastic at their jobs when they are so inept at keeping their personal and professional lives separate? Sloan tried walking out of that conversation five times, and Mac continued, in a "Mad Woman in the Attic" kind of way.

      Is that the editor's fault, or did Sorkin really actually truly write Mac to be crazy? It's like Sorkin conflates crazy and intelligent -- but only with his females characters.

      July 2, 2012 at 9:48AM EST
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      7 This already exists. Check #SorkinDrinkingGame on Twitter.

      July 2, 2012 at 1:59PM EST
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      Erika Herzog @sara - omg, poor Dana from SPORTS NIGHT. i forgot about her but the minute you made that reference, the current "woman problem" just blossomed into so much more.

      my sneaking suspicion (and i agree 100% with @john above) is that because the tech credits are very high -- and always seem to be -- this problem lies squarely in the ahem lap of Sorkin.

      not surprised that this got renewed. people are starvin marvin for something adult and meaty to watch and there's an absolute dearth of this right now. THE NEWSROOM is lucky it's being shown during a drought of product -- if it had to go head-to-head with MAD MEN or other strong shows it would be toast.

      July 2, 2012 at 9:58PM EST
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    Dr. Dunkenstein

    On a side note...man, I hope someone at my job has impressively rattled off my resume when someone said something disparaging about me. It sure does seem to shut people up.

    July 1, 2012 at 11:56PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Jon Weisman

    "I mean, the West Wing was about the Bartlett administration trying to run the country perfectly too but they messed up from time to time."

    When they messed up, it felt honest. And when they tried to navigate through their messing up, it felt honest. Tonight in the Newsroom, neither did. I didn't buy that they would mess up that badly, and I didn't buy that Will, who is nothing if not uber-professional on camera, couldn't navigate.

    I could buy a little bit his misgivings over including the Palin comment or not, but I can't say that it seemed like good television.

    I'm still watching, but honestly this show seems closer to being another "Smash" than another "Sports Night."

    By the way, "Sloan Sabbith?" What a name ...

    July 1, 2012 at 11:58PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Dr. Dunkenstein I can't argue what you should or shouldn't feel is honest, and to be fair I had problems myself with the ex-boyfriend thing, but there is going to be drama/comedy to be wrung from the times where the staff on the show make their mistakes. I felt tonight was one of those nights.

      As for Will, I think it's fair to say that he was put in such a tricky position here that the job he ended up doing actually seemed pretty fair. He was, after all, interviewing people who should never have been invited to speak on a serious newscast.

      July 2, 2012 at 12:06AM EST
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      John But the ex-boyfriend thing is essentially the exact same thing as what made these people pillars of reporting last week. Coincidence. A series built of coincidence should be simply called convenient and lazy.

      July 2, 2012 at 1:40AM EST
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      nic919 It's not like Mackenzie McHale is any better. They are both television character names and not real people names, which adds to the whole "Sorkin cannot write real women but just packages of neurotic traits" vibe this show has.

      July 2, 2012 at 11:32AM EST
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    Ryan

    Perhaps oddly, my biggest complaint was with the use of Radiohead's "High and Dry" at the end, particularly the line "it's the best thing that you've ever had" while Will is coming to the realization that he was "in" for News Night 2.0. It felt more than a little on-the-nose.

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      Hanley_John Plus, as though that wasn't on-the-nose enough, they tossed in a shot of the Statue of Liberty while Will was "being the integrity" or whatever.

      July 2, 2012 at 9:16AM EST
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      Sara To be fair, it's impossible NOT to be "on the nose" whenever I see an American flag, Statue of Liberty, etc. I admit that it was disjointed, as if an afterthought, throwing Liberty in at the end, but it's never *not* obvious.

      July 2, 2012 at 9:50AM EST
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      SophieB210 My problem was that song is more than 15 years old, draggy as hell and about as far as you get from a good karaoke song.

      July 3, 2012 at 10:20PM EST
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    Brendan Noel

    Can someone explain "the asterisk"? I don't understand the role of an asterisk in sending all of Mackenzie's emails to the staff. I imagine, as Alan mentioned, that it's a pretty long-dead email thing, and I am totally unfamiliar with it.

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      Brendan Noel Is it even an actual asterisk? Some clarification would be much appreciated.

      July 2, 2012 at 12:55AM EST
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      Erin I'm only taking a guess here, because it's not something I've ever seen, but from what they said on the show, I think the asterisk was used in autocomplete to indicate a group email address. So typing "s" would prompt autocomplete to fill in "Sloan Sabbith" (because no one else at the company has a name that starts with "s"?), but "*s" prompts autocomplete to fill in the "staff" group email list.

      I think. It really is archaic.

      July 3, 2012 at 3:40AM EST
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    L.C.Phillips

    Frankly, the dialogue too often bears no resemblance to real people talking to each other. The rapid fire ,snappy patter of characters speaking in position statements AT, rather than to, each other often sounds like a parody of a Frank Capra screwball comedy.

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      John I think you've nailed it - No one really talks like this so even though you understand them and get the jokes, it always feels a little off. Like reading a novel from 150 years ago.

      July 2, 2012 at 6:23AM EST
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      Hanley_John I agree, Sorkin earns a lot of praise for dialogue and it is snappy. But it lands with me like characters are speaking mouthfuls after mouthfuls. I want to take a red pen to most conversations.

      July 2, 2012 at 9:17AM EST
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    Drew Melbourne

    I like that Sorkin writes "hero" characters that are frequently unlikable and "villain" characters that are frequently right. That some people are telling us they believe things that are at odds with what we're seeing (i.e. Mac thinks Will isn't an ass) is not a bug, it's a feature.

    July 2, 2012 at 1:22AM EST Reply to Comment


  • While I think the episode as a whole was a mess, the one thing that I disagree with is re: Mac saying Will is great. She's being overly demonstrative about that to counteract what was being said about their breakup. She's also reponsible for a team that is there to make Will look good so like any manager, she's trying to put a positive spin on Will. Did people expect her to throw him under the bus in front of her whole staff?

    July 2, 2012 at 2:23AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Dr. Dunkenstein
      It's also worth mentioning that Mackenzie hasn't seen Will for years and her perspective on him is bound tobe different from the people who work with him because of their prior relationship.

      Again, it's only really an issue if you think Mackenzie is only being used to communicate Sorkin's thoughts and perspectives and isn't a character with her own POV.

      July 2, 2012 at 1:32PM EST
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    Jamie

    So Olivia Munn was in this episode for basically 2 minutes and I still could not stand it. Does anyone else have this problem? What is it about her that makes it completely unbearable to watch her?

    July 2, 2012 at 3:32AM EST Reply to Comment
    • Your problem. I didn't know anything about Munn other than seeing her on G4 a couple times, briefly. Her scene with Emily Mortimer was awesome.

      July 2, 2012 at 5:07AM EST
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      Patrick I thought Olivia Munn was good. I hope they give her character more to do

      July 2, 2012 at 10:31AM EST
    • i sort of agree -- but i get her confused also with that other dark haired chick from PARKS & REC (which i don't watch).

      though she did seem to be much more in the flow of things with the Sorkin writing than poor Emily Mortimer.

      but still, yes, difficult to watch.

      maybe it's because she's almost untouchably attractive? or just seems like she might be sort of tough? i don't know but i definitely get what you are saying.

      July 3, 2012 at 5:48AM EST
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      Kevin Jamie-I didn't buy her at all when it came to her on-camera stuff. Her delivery was sing-songy and came off like a high school play actor pretending to be a tv personality, instead of inhabiting the part. I thought she was passable when she wasn't actually on-camera.

      July 3, 2012 at 9:43AM EST
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      TSill You find a very attractive woman playing a strong, intelligent character off-putting. You couldn't have disliked Olivia Munn personally -- you could only have disliked the portrayal of Sloane by a female who has been most noted for her Maxim-type photo shoots. Sort of bugs folks when the hot chick in the bikini can act enough to sell herself as a strong-minded economist.

      July 4, 2012 at 11:38PM EST
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    Confused

    I seem to be watching a different show than everyone else.

    Is it because I'm Canadian, and have no investment in American politics? I had no knowledge of Arizona bills, and hell, didn't even know about this Palin gaff about the Dutch.

    I laughed out loud many times. I was emotionally moved a couple times. I thought Munn delivered Sorkin dialogue smoothly and sharply - better than Waterston in the pilot, though McCoy was sharper in the second epi.

    I think this show is doomed because of the politics, and nobody seems to realize that the last time I was this invigorated by dialogue and acting chops was when Deadwood was on the air. For the very reason the show is attacking - Americans no longer have a capacity for civil political discourse.

    July 2, 2012 at 4:32AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Dr. Dunkenstein
      I think there's a lot to what you're saying. I'm also Canadian and none of the political stuff has bothered me a great deal.

      It seems as though the very notion of dealing with politics at all is polarizing enough to doom this show for a lot of people.

      July 2, 2012 at 1:35PM EST
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      Other Scott Also Canadian. Also had few problems with this episode. Pattern?

      July 2, 2012 at 5:59PM EST
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      David Sanders I am from Texas. Huge West Wing fan, did not particularly like Studio 60 or Sports Night.
      I find The Newsroom highly entertaining. I got a huge kick out of the immigration segment. When you put on a newscast every night, you are going to win some (like last week) and lose some like (2.0)

      July 3, 2012 at 12:45AM EST
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      JMRII Sounds like Aaron Sorkin should move to Canada, eh?

      July 3, 2012 at 3:00PM EST
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      SophieB210 Canadian fans, are you also big fans of ( or at least very familiar with) The West Wing and Sports Night? It seems Newsroom plays better if the Sorlinese is newly discovered.

      July 3, 2012 at 10:27PM EST
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    KobraCola

    "So he has Mackenzie talk about not wanting to engage with the sideshow of American politics, and yet the story is constructed in a way where they can't get anyone respectable to defend the Arizona immigration law, and instead wind up with a bunch of cartoon characters embodying the worst stereotypes of the right wing."

    I have to say, I think the point here was that the staff of News Night (most notably Maggie) seriously f**cked up, not to go, "Haha, look at everyone who supported the Arizona bill in 2010, they're goddamn idiots!" Feel free to disagree with me, but surely Sorkin is intelligent enough to realize that not everyone who disagrees with him is an idiot. He chose overly-ridiculous people to support the Arizona bill on PURPOSE (IMO): Not to insult the right, but to show that News Night isn't perfect.

    "Similarly, Will tells Reese that Sarah Palin is irrelevant to the political scene at this point and doesn't want to feature her on the show, yet we wind up seeing her Holland/Norway gaffe, and hearing Will very lamely try to defend it. . . . It's Sorkin doing things the old way to score points for his side."

    Again, I have to say I disagree. I don't think this was done so that Sorkin could thumb his nose at conservatives, I think that was part of Will's process to REALLY commit to Mac's way of doing the news. You've seen more episodes than me, so you'd know better, but, despite what Will says to Reese when they talk, it seemed obvious to me that Will wasn't fully "in" on Mac's way of doing the news, hence him trying and failing to throw in a short segment where he defends Palin, but by the end of the episode, we're supposed to believe that Will is on board with Mac's way of doing things and will try to let ratings influence his actions less, even if he still wants to know about them.

    "Will's behavior throughout the pilot, and through much of "News Night 2.0" isn't that of a great guy, but an ass whose first instinct is to treat people badly, even if he can sometimes make a half-hearted effort to go against that instinct."

    Again, the you-seeing-more-eps.-than-me thing applies, but I have to say, from what I've seen so far, I disagree on this point as well. I don't think The Newsroom has done a phenomenal job of explaining this so far, but I get the sense that the show DOES want to portray Will as the gruff-with-a-heart-of-gold kinda person that Mac sees him as (case in point: Mac, who should know him the best out of anyone there having dated him for years, sees him that way, although that's not definitive and she may just feel bad for him for cheating on him, etc.). However, Sorkin needs to keep expanding on this and showing us more concrete details before I'm convinced. I'm just thinking that's where the show wants to go with Will.

    I would say that, on the whole, I enjoyed this episode. Its biggest problems to me were, as you pointed out Alan, the fact that it would seem extremely difficult for Mac to send a mass email even once with the whole asterisk/autofill thing, not to mention doing it twice and the way Maggie acted in this episode. Yes, I get she was just recently promoted from being an intern, but anyone has the ability to bite their tongue when talking to an ex and not make a mean joke, especially when, ya know, your whole professional career might be at stake. This is more minor, but I also think she would have understood when Jim was being sarcastic. Even more minor, she was drunk after drinking one drink over the course of an hour? That also seems unrealistic. However, overall I'm still glad to have fast-talking, mile-a-minute Sorkin dialogue back on TV and I don't mind the way he's set up the show so far. Of course, I agree with him politically so factor into my opinion whatever biases you'd like.

    July 2, 2012 at 5:27AM EST Reply to Comment
    • My wife gets that drunk after one serious mixed drink. She had a puke-level hangover today from 2 modest glasses of wine.

      July 2, 2012 at 6:19AM EST
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      KobraCola Alright, so maybe the drunk thing is believable, but that was like my SMALLEST problem with the episode, literally.

      July 2, 2012 at 10:30AM EST
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      JMRII I agree- I don't think the point of this was that the people who were in favor of the Arizona bill were idiots, it's that once the show lost access to the person who could defend that side of it, and had to scramble to get someone else, the only people they could (or chose to) get were the fringe maniacs, and these are the people that so often end up portraying these points because it makes for potentially good ratings (though not to this extreme). Will defended the Arizona bill quite nicely, so clearly Sorkin realizes there are two credible sides to this argument.

      July 3, 2012 at 3:03PM EST
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    EdithKeeler

    If this show was just 60 minutes of Sam Waterston threatening to punch people, then it would be the best show on TV.

    July 2, 2012 at 6:32AM EST Reply to Comment
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    John

    I never get how in every Sorkin show all the characters are supposed to be the smartest people in the room/borderline geniuses but constantly do the the most stupid things. Maybe Sorkin thinks it's endearing but actually it's so over the top (like the dialogue) to be just annoying/fake. How in any version of reality (which he's using by having real historic events) both Maggie and Mac aren't fired?

    July 2, 2012 at 6:36AM EST Reply to Comment
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      mcm99 I am a huge fan of Sorkin but believe the show is doomed by his choice to use real news event. This creates a schism between his distinctive stylized dialogue and situations (which aren't supposed to be compared to "reality" and the content which is real. I like Sorkin but he has screwed himself here by putting real life where it doesn't belong.

      July 2, 2012 at 10:03AM EST
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    chrispepper

    Meh I like the show, the pilot was much better but these next couple of episodes tend to be the worst in any series, I'll keep watching.

    July 2, 2012 at 7:20AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Chad

    Alan, do you realize that you are so intensely scrutinizing this show that you actually spent an entire paragraph on the feasibility of the technical terms of a joke? Do you think anyone REALLY cares that people weren't using an asterisk?

    You normally write from the prospective of a fan much more than this. Now it just seems like you are Ron Jaworski breaking down game film. What gives? Who do you know that isnt a movie/tv critic that would ever watch a show with such attention paid to even the slightest details? Where is the fun in that?

    July 2, 2012 at 9:20AM EST Reply to Comment
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      sepinwall It's one of the worst jokes I've ever seen from a writer who I generally find to be very funny, and it's terrible on multiple levels at once. I wanted to break down the different ways it was terrible, and Sorkin's misunderstanding of how the technology he's mocking actually works is part of that.

      July 2, 2012 at 9:22AM EST
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      Brendan I don't think Alan spent enough paragraphs criticizing that awful "joke." It was as if Sorkin let his kid take over a subplot.

      July 2, 2012 at 9:42AM EST
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      John Perhaps more accurate to say 'it was as if Sorkin let his grandmother take over a subplot'

      July 2, 2012 at 10:03AM EST
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      Brendan You are correct. I actually re-read my post and thought that I didn't exactly get my point across in the best way.

      July 2, 2012 at 10:08AM EST
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      Chad I just don't think that every joke has to work and over a series there will often be plenty that fall flat. I really like the idea behind this show because they make a lot of points that I agree with in how the news media is covering events. I hate ratings driving content and have become especially disenchanted with ESPN, so I really want this show to work. However, it just seems like this show is taking on so much scrutiny that it can't be enjoyed for what it is: an overly unappologetically idealistic view of how someone feels the news SHOULD be covered.

      July 2, 2012 at 10:58AM EST
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      Dwayne Mendoza If you consider the degree to which that episode hinged on that bit of technology, one paragraph to explain the wretchedness of the construction was entirely appropriate.

      July 2, 2012 at 12:13PM EST
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      JMRII It's tough to make a joke that is so incredibly stupid, implausible, confusing, and so far removed from reality all at once.

      Bravo, Sork.

      July 3, 2012 at 3:07PM EST
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      SophieB210 I look forward to Sorkin making a "mistaken fax" joke next week.

      July 3, 2012 at 10:30PM EST
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    belinda

    On the upside, it was just a really, really horrible badly written episode across the board so by comparison, the sexism thing didn't feel as unbearable, because everything else about this episode grated too. The plot was lame, cliched, lazy, and so dull and boring that I couldn't muster any energy to be annoyed with the way the two main female characters are being written.

    Does this show actually get better later on? Because I'm almost ready to dump it, quippy banter or not.

    July 2, 2012 at 9:22AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Brendan

    This was an extremely painful episode to watch. I usually like what Aaron Sorkin says, but his breathless dialogue can wear on you, especially when delivered by Emily Mortimer. She exhausts me. I nearly passed out during her conversation with Olivia Munn. Her mannerisms, her voice, all of it. And the rapid-fire back and forth between Alison Pill and John Gallagher, Jr. was similarly headache-inducing. I am not stupid and I do not have a short attention span, but if the characters would just pause for a second here or there, I could more easily digest and believe what they say. They always correctly anticipate what the other will say and have a response ready to go as soon as the other person stops talking. That is not how people speak. Anyone who did would soon find no one willing to speak with them anymore. I hated almost every character on The West Wing, but I watched it because the stories were great. Hopefully, The Newsroom delivers more stories (as they did in the pilot) because watching the characters intensely conversing about themselves is too much of a workout.

    And what bar did they all go to after the show? The Lamest Bar in Manhattan?

    July 2, 2012 at 9:23AM EST Reply to Comment
    • that made me laugh. yeah, ridiculous portrayal of a NYC bar.

      plus as someone who works second shift (5:30 pm to 2:00 am) i can say with confidence that there are loads of things open in the areas i'm seeing sketched out as the neighborhoods -- guessing Hell's Kitchen / Times Square / Downtown maybe? all of those neighborhoods are lousy with late night options, many of them reasonably priced.

      plus if it's a huge corporation and they are working late, i'm betting the food is paid for as part of the crazy hours, etc. it's pretty common.

      July 3, 2012 at 5:51AM EST
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      Andrew Agreed. When Dev Patel said this karaoke bar was the "the only place that stays open late unless you want to go to Theater District" I just about turned it off. The other character had just said it was 9:15! There are bars open in every city in America past 9:15! There are bars open in NYC in all neighborhoods open past 2 am. Past 3 am even, if you look hard enough.

      Ridiculous.

      July 3, 2012 at 11:56PM EST
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    Espo

    I can live with the stuff about Mackenzie turning into "that" girl, but isn't anyone else concerned that the two major plot points in these two episodes revolve around complete and utter coincidence? The John Williams Jr. stuff in the first episode was cute with his sister working for Halliburton, but Allison Pill's ex-"boyfriend" working for Jan Brewer is a little ridiculous. There are a lot of ways she could have blown that interview.

    Also, I worked in an actual newsroom for two years and there's no way in hell that two people would loudly talk about their sex lives in the middle of the day while other people are--presumably--trying to do their jobs.

    July 2, 2012 at 9:27AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Sara I took issue with Jim's line that he covers for Maggie, Mac covers for him, Will covers for her, and Charlie covers for Will. At first it was endearing -- an "awww" moment -- but then I realized... Wait, is everyone going to cover everyone's screw-ups? Is this how no one ever will ever fired for incompetence?

      July 2, 2012 at 9:56AM EST
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      Espo Agreed. This is the problem with having a bunch of "name" actors on a show. You can't get rid of them, so when they're incompetent the plot needs to contort itself to keep them around. It seems like the stakes are low for pretty low for Maggie, Jim, Mac and Dev Patel.


      I also had a problem with Maggie's story being eerily similar to the scenario in "He's Just Not that Into You."

      July 2, 2012 at 10:20AM EST
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    Genevieve

    Sorkin was on The Colbert Report on Thursday, and said that if he got to 2012 with the show, the healthcare Supreme Court verdict would be perfect for an episode!

    July 2, 2012 at 9:28AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Guesser

    I feel like this show would be better at around 30 minutes. The actual newscasts seem to fly by, but dedicating what seems like half of each episode to rapid-fire flirting is wearisome. "West Wing" had occasional back-and-forths (Lyman with Donna, mostly) but it was usually a brief D-plot which didn't upstage the premise of the show in any given episode. HBO's promos and most critics' reviews focus on the political, professional, and journalistic aspects, but the show itself thus far seems to want to use those elements as a medium for a wacky workplace dramedy.

    The newscasts themselves seem quite good. People are up in arms about having 20/20 hindsight on breaking news, and maybe that gets worse in the upcoming two episodes. Thus far though, I think it's been well-handled. Okay, it's a stretch for Palmer to have the inside track to two major sources in the BP oil spill, but at least it was a semi-plausible explanation (and he had to concede those sources). And "2.0" showed the team botching a setup call and having a crappy show for it. Neither of those seem hugely smug or insufferable. Then again, perhaps it gets worse in the upcoming two weeks.

    July 2, 2012 at 9:43AM EST Reply to Comment
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    jgordon

    What's the scene in the West Wing, where Sam Seborn is looking at the dinner speech and keeps repeating, "He forgot the funny". I kept thinking about that all during the show. That an the sneaking suspicion that the show is miscast. None of the funny lines are landing and the intense back and forth feels muddle and hard to follow....

    July 2, 2012 at 9:55AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Kevin I agree completely. I think Daniels is good, but I really don't know if any of the other actors belong on this show. And it's sad when you can see lots of stuff that's meant to be funny that just makes you cringe instead.

      July 3, 2012 at 9:50AM EST
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    jgordon

    What's the episode of the West Wing where Sam is reviewing the dinner speech and keeps saying over and over again, "They forgot the funny". I'm starting to think the whole thing was miscast as few of the funny lines seemed to land and the dense conversational parts feel muddled and hard to follow.

    July 2, 2012 at 10:04AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Pat

    I agree the email device was lame but I think Will was justifiably petty. Is he acting like a 16 year old, yes but I've known a lot of decent people myself included who will devolve when scorned by someone they loved. Will was calling the 2nd runner up Miss Oklahoma a Victoria's Secret model I don't think he's even aware of Sloan at that point.

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      JMRII No, I thought that at first too but he was talking about Sloan/Munn- watch it again. He must have found out about that off-camera.

      July 3, 2012 at 3:10PM EST
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    JedyKnight

    Even though i recognize is not at par with previous Sorkin Hit shows like the West Wing or Sportsnight, i still think is better than at least 50% of current dramas.
    This ep had more problems than the first one (and if we go by Dan and Alan's take, fewer than the next 2 ones) but here is what i really enjoy.
    - The hurt evidenced by Will regarding everyone finding out that he was the one getting his heart broken.
    - Mac offering Olivia Munn (who i think was a great scene, and a good understated use of her) on the basis that she was both really knowledgeable and also sexy (which was more me very honest about an unavoidable fact in real life, people will pay more attention to something on TV depending who is saying it.. but news corps should make sure the pretty package comes with a good brain)
    - People tanking the segment, probably out of spite, was consistent with him been him.. but also, he ended up making the Right-Wing's arguments for them.. which for me was enough to make sure it didnt felt like the whole segment was biased.

    - also, 2 things that cracked me up, Will getting the notes for the show while he was yelling at Mac (and been very aware of what he was receiving), and Dev Patel's character been super unconfortable for been around the discussion between Maggie and Jim, since it drives me nuts when in tv shows or movies, people are having loud heated arguments, and everybody arounds act like they really are not aware or interested or affected at all by what's happening.

    July 2, 2012 at 10:33AM EST Reply to Comment
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      JedyKnight sorry.. typing fast on my phone:
      *which was for me very honest
      *Will tanking the segment

      July 2, 2012 at 10:35AM EST
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      Mike People often make this point when defending shows, and I don't quite understand the logic. Unless you watch every single drama on television, being better than 50% of current dramas isn't really saying anything, since presumably you don't watch any of the dramas you consider in that bottom 50%. A show needs to be actively pleasurable, not more pleasurable than shows you don't watch anyway.

      July 2, 2012 at 11:53AM EST
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      JedyKnight @Mike well, let's see if we can make you understand logic. I'm not "defending" the show, im stating that even if i see it's flaws and understand the critics leveled against it, i do enjoy the sure, it causes me pleasure to see some beautiful written dialogue, and funny interplay. I cant say i watch absolutely all dramas out there, i do watch a certain amount of them. When a new show comes out, if i can, i try to see a few eps to see if it's for me or not, or sometimes i'll wait until it's over and watch several eps in a row. Obviously due to time administration between work, family, friends, etc. i will only keep on watching some of them. And among the shows i will keep watching are some that i dont consider as good as this one but i do found something in them (theme, actors, air time) that fits my viewing menu..

      Shows i consider not as good as this that i watch or have watched: Desperate Housewives, True Blood, Pan Am, GCB, Dallas, any CSI, Body of Evidence, Harry's Law, Alcatraz, Smash, Private Practice, any NCIS, One Tree Hill, most of Law & Order, Person of Interest, Secret Circle, A Gifted Man, Grimm, (well, you get it) on a second thought i will say 2 eps in (i can respond for the announced drop off coming) i will say this show is above 70% of dramas of the last fall season.

      July 2, 2012 at 1:16PM EST
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    liddy

    Under cover of his performance persona, Stephen Colbert raked Sorkin over the coals. Sorkin knew it, but couldn't respond for fear of giving credence to the criticism by becoming defensive... he was off guard and responded the best he could on Colbert's turf. His behavior was the kind of behavior his characters never get to show. They always know what they're saying, even they're saying something stupid. Sorkin never lets his characters be inarticulate, because he's afraid to be inarticulate himself. He seems intoxicated by his own platitudes and would be better off writing speeches for politicians than for dramatic television. Consequently, the ensemble cast members ends up slavishly serving the lines, rather than their characters. With the exception of Daniels, who skillfully keeps us off balance, the rest of the cast members bumblingly feed off of one anothers' energies and rhythms. In fact, the only moments when Mortimer seems at all real and truthful are when Daniels surprises her.

    July 2, 2012 at 10:52AM EST Reply to Comment
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      virginia Interesting comments re Sorkin and I agree with you fully on Daniels and what he's bringing to this.

      July 5, 2012 at 11:02AM EST
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      Trash Sorry, it must be just me, but I think Daniels is the weak link on the show....he mumbles and looks dumpy. All I can picture is how good Rob Lowe would be in the role. AND Emily M is waaaay too young for him.

      July 6, 2012 at 11:44AM EST
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