Review: 'Homeland' - 'The Clearing': A room with a view
Brody goes to a party, and Saul visits an old friend
On "Homeland," Saul (Mandy Patinkin) visits a prisoner.
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"I'm sorry I've become this person. But I have." -Aileen
After a plot twist-intensive, bumpy installment last week(*), "Homeland" is back on much more solid, fascinating ground with "The Clearing," which brings back Aileen from season 1 as both a great spotlight opportunity for Saul and a nice parallel to the story of Brody.
(*) Full disclosure time: with Sandy closing in on the Jersey Shore on Monday, I raced to watch and review last week's episode in the event I would lose power for a long time, and by the time I was able to relocate to a better location later in the week, I had so much other work to do that I never found the time to revisit the "Homeland" review. In a normal week, I'd have set with the episode a while longer and written a better review that also better articulated some of the problems I had with it, particularly the terrorist ninja assault on Quinn's team at the tailor shop, which felt like it existed outside the intersecting set of storylines that would fit on both this show and "24."
Brody and Aileen are both all-American types who, for different reasons and under different circumstances, wound up working with Abu Nazir. Both have suffered great loss as a result of that decision: Aileen's husband was gunned down by the very organization they were a part of, Brody endured years of physical and mental torture and later had to murder his partner (for the second time, as far as he was concerned). And both are now deeply unhappy with who and what they've become as a result of their choices: one a literal prisoner of the government, one figuratively. Aileen spends 23 hours a day in a cell, and never sees the sun. Brody now is caught somewhere between Roya, Walden, Jessica, and Carrie, and none of his decisions are his own. Brody spends much of "The Clearing" dealing with other people's assumptions about who he is — he's deeply shamed when his Vietnam veteran host Rex suggests they have things in common — and when he chooses to take Dana to tell the cops about the hit-and-run, he for a moment gets to be the man everyone believes him to be: decent and honest and willing to sacrifice for the greater good. But he can't even do that right, because helping Dana — who is all but begging for the opportunity, because she was raised (mostly by Jessica) to have a moral compass that the Walden family lacks — turn herself in would screw up his deal with the CIA. Brody gets to see the sun, gets to swim in a rich man's pool, but he's no freer than a woman who would slit her own wrists rather than spend another day in solitary.
Credit where it's due: the hit-and-run story that we've all been grumbling about for the last couple of weeks turned into something much more interesting than I was expecting. It's not a source of blackmail, not about secrets and lies, not about Finn finding a way to blame Dana for it, or any of the other soapier twists on the story. Instead, it's a situation where all the important parties, teen and adult, know exactly what's going on — Finn Walden most of all, in a scene that doesn't make him more sympathetic, but certainly makes him more human — and know the roles they're supposed to play in this legal farce.
While secrets and betrayals certainly have their place in a thriller like this, the most memorable scenes tend to involve characters communicating openly with one another — or, in the case of the lake house confession scene from "The Weekend" (which, like this episode, was written by Meredith Stiehm), at least seeming to — because the jumble of emotions has a lot more power when everyone knows what's what. Take the scene that gives "The Clearing" its title, where Carrie turns up on the outskirts of the fundraising party so she can handle her asset and make him feel better about himself. It's a scene where Brody is fully aware of what she's really doing there, and yet her mission and his knowledge are complicated by the very real, very heated attraction the two have for each other. Brody may not love Carrie the way she loves him, but her mere presence seems to alter his brain chemistry, calming him down in a way he can notice, but neither can entirely explain, until finally he gets frustrated trying to figure out what percentage of the kiss is real and what's just spycraft, and storms away. A fantastic scene, and one where nobody had to lie because nobody can figure out exactly what's true to begin with.
I had briefly wondered if Finn's fatalistic attitude at the party suggested he was going to kill himself rather than deal with his father's wrath. Instead, our suicide is Aileen, who can't stand confinement — nor the person she's become — one minute longer. I might question whether a problem prisoner would be allowed to hold onto Saul's reading glasses in that circumstance. What I will not question is the rapport between the two characters, or how Mandy Patinkin always rises to the challenge whenever "Homeland" briefly turns Saul into the main character. When Saul Berenson gives you his word, Patinkin makes it clear that you can take that word and hold it close. And whatever issues I had with the method of Aileen's suicide went away the moment Saul went into that room and tried to figure out why someone would do this, and how he could have been so blind to the possibility that she would. His grief in that scene should once again shame every Academy member who didn't nominate him last year.
A great, resonant, character-focused episode. And no ninjas to be found.
Some other thoughts:
* Quinn discharges himself from the hospital, Tony Almeida-style, but at least a week has passed in this case (because of the "24" format, Tony had to recover from his gunshot wound in only a few hours), and at least it's clear that Quinn is an absolute mess who should be back in his hospital bed. At least he's doing better than poor, off-camera Galvez, who's practically being talked about in the past tense.
* Not sure I entirely buy that the operation would still be able to be so low-key after the Gettysburg massacre, even with the scene where Walden scolds Estes. Wouldn't the very loud murder of six federal agents in a quiet tailor shop be huge national news demanding a very big and public response?
* It's a small world in Hollywood: Rex was played by John Finn, who played the lieutenant on "Cold Case," which was created by Meredith Stiehm.
* Mike is an idiot, but at least he gives Carrie an opportunity to articulate how she feels about Brody to someone who can relate.
* The horrible party guest who kept asking Brody about his captivity inadvertently kept him from going in the pool in the daytime, but at night, with no one watching, he got to go in the very clear, very bright, very empty water and enjoy the first moments of peace he's had all season. Gorgeous scene.
* I saw this episode before I watched last night's "SNL" spoof of "Homeland," so I don't know yet if that sketch has now ruined Damian Lewis for me, or if I'll be able to watch him without paying attention to the size of his mouth. For those of you who watched "SNL" before this episode, was it a distraction?
What did everybody else think?
Alan Sepinwall may be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com
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November 12, 2012 at 12:16AM EST Reply to CommentAlan, great review that touched on all of the key elements in this episode. I too got this feeling, watching the Saul/Aileen scenes at the prison, that if Mandy Patinkin told me to trust him with something entirely crazy it would be very hard for me to refuse.
The cinematic qualities of the Brody swimming scene were reminiscent of Breaking Bad -- something that rarely occurs to me when watching other shows.
Jessica is going to be very hard to "manage", especially if Dana tells her that Carrie showed up (or less likely, if Mike mentions his meeting with Carrie to Jessica).
jack_is_laughing I thought of the Breaking Bad scene during Brody's swim myself, and I imagine that was an accident. They probably were shooting these episodes while Breaking Bad was still airing, so the parallels were accidental at best.
November 12, 2012 at 12:40PM ESTBut I think you could make some comparisons that Skyler's reaction to her situation in that episode of Breaking Bad and Brody's in this one are actually very similar: trapped.
Kay That was the first thing I thought of too. And yes I guess Skylar and Brodie were in a similar predicament for different reasons.
November 13, 2012 at 5:18PM ESTMike
November 12, 2012 at 12:18AM EST Reply to CommentI kept thinking about the SNL spoof the entire episode and laughing. It was absolutely a distraction!
jack_is_laughing I didn't think about it until Alan brought it up. Funny, because I intended to keep an eye for it.
November 12, 2012 at 12:40PM ESTunclevanya Mike you took the words out of my very thoughts! This serious show and watching Brody not move his mouth or Dana typical teenage "whatever" and Saul. Anne Hathaway as Carrie. I was laughing the whole episode. It is great.
November 12, 2012 at 10:57PM ESTAlso the cork board. Thanks for indulging my thoughts 11 days without electric will do it to you.
if the SNL skit -- and the patently unfunny observations within said skit -- has altered the appreciation of the subtle and masterful acting by Claire Danes, Damian Lewis, and Mandy Patinkin, well that's just freaking sad.
November 13, 2012 at 1:29AM ESTto reduce these actors to the cruddy and quite frankly dumb -- and irrelevant -- characterizations of the SNL skit is pretty pathetic.
i know i'll still be watching Homeland with bated breath and wonderment, instead of fast forwarding through the painful and mediocre travesty that is a typical SNL episode.
i'm pretty aggravated by the spotlight given to the SNL skit, obviously. i refuse to bring that junk into my enjoyment of Homeland -- or let it alter the huge bodies of work by these amazingly talented actors i've been a fan of for so long.
Richard B We were going to watch Brody's small mouth but the first thing we saw was the "previously" of Brody getting knifed in the hand and his mouth surely opened up into a big old circle. Had to laugh and then stopped thinking about the topic.
November 13, 2012 at 7:19AM ESTAlways felt Danes over-acted the emotional scenes but maybe that is an accurate portrayal of some with her character's obsessive/compulsive problems.
HISLOCAL Semi-related comment.....I also re-watched the scene of Brody getting the knife to the hand, and I had the weird thought that Damian Lewis did a fantastic job of portraying someone's reaction to getting stabbed......but someone who hadn't been locked up, tortured, and faced death daily for 8 years. It just seemed that the nuances of pain mixed with "I can't believe this is happening" is exactly how I would react to being stabbed, but not the way Brody would. Just seemed out of character.
November 13, 2012 at 10:34AM ESTFor the record, I am NOT complaining or nitpicking. I just had that weird thought and your comment about his O-face (haha) reminded me of it.
Emma At one point during the show, I was watching Brody's mouth to see how wide he would open it! He does talk that way. It was a pretty funny skit. Bill Hader's Saul was spot on!
November 13, 2012 at 11:44AM ESTFumi
November 12, 2012 at 12:24AM EST Reply to CommentThis was much better than last week... I saw the SNL spoof and was definitely distracted by the lack of movement of Damien Lewis' mouth... I'll probably have to watch the episode again so I can focus on what actually happened.
JimAbbott'sRightHandMan Yeah, I was a little distracted. Not just the movement of his mouth, but something about it that makes it seem like it isn't quite in proportion to his face. Like it's not matching up correctly.
November 12, 2012 at 12:44PM ESTI don't know if this will make sense, but it almost felt like those old Conan O'Brien bits where they'd put up a picture of a celebrity and then superimpose a shot of Robert Smigel's (or whoever's) mouth doing the speaking for that person. The mouth's size and motion were something in the same ballpark as the face, but it usually slipped into looking bizarre because the size was a little off or the mouth's location was a littleroff, or there was an unsettling dichotomy between the motion of the mouth and the motion (of lack of motion) of the face.
unclevanya I bet Damien Lewis doesn't move is mouth because he can manage speaking without a British accent that way.
November 12, 2012 at 11:01PM ESTNow it looks like he has Too much Botox or Bells Palsy. So funny how everyone has to view it again, fun
Rahul
November 12, 2012 at 12:35AM EST Reply to CommentGreat episode, and great post. One thing I loved was the portrayal of the effect that prolonged solitary confinement has. Aileen needed to be punished for her actions, but her confinement was inhumane. Terrific performance by the actress who played her (and of course by Mandy Patinkin).
Maybe I missed something, but where is Finn going exactly? Reform school? I guess it doesn't matter - his role in the plot seems to be done.
Dan3320 My take was that Finn was just being sent home - not away. I don't think even the VP and wife would make such a rash on the spot decision like boarding school.
November 12, 2012 at 11:50AM ESTRahul Oh right, duh, I forgot it was a fundraiser and not the VP's home.
November 12, 2012 at 11:54AM ESTDelta1212
November 12, 2012 at 12:50AM EST Reply to CommentI was so sure for almost the entirety of this episode that the blame for the hit and run was going to be placed on Dana, first by the son, then by the mother. I was pretty much in agony waiting for it to happen.
And then it didn't. You have no idea how relieved I was with the direction that plotline went (or maybe you do). I was practically cheering when I realized it was being used to set up an interesting dynamic in the lives of the primary cast instead of being a weird, left-field D-plot with no relevance based on miscommunication and secrets.
You know, for a show that has a premise so saturated with secrets and lies, there is a much lower quotient of "misunderstandings born of secrets and lies" based drama than on a lot of shows. Here, we almost always get at least one person actively involved in concealing the truth, and the other usually quickly finding out or at least becomint suspicious. That's infinitely more entertaining than both characters in a situation behaving too stupidly to realize they've each made a mistake. That's fake drama and it's blessedly rare here.
Greg Grant I was completely sure that is where it was headed, too, particularly with cryptic Finn remarks and how he was buying time to create a cover story that was just plausible enough for his mother.
November 12, 2012 at 2:20AM ESTdezbot
November 12, 2012 at 1:09AM EST Reply to CommentI haven't seen the SNL sketch yet, so there was no distraction for me. So much good stuff in this ep, especially the scenes with Saul and Aileen. Hopefully the Emmy voters are paying attention this year!
unclevanya After Breaking Bad please! that water scene with Brody, I kept on thinking of Skyler. Can't wait till July. VINCE GILLIGAN IS going for a home run .
November 12, 2012 at 11:05PM ESTBen Yeah there has to be an emmy for `Waiting for the cancer to come back` but Homeland could get it for different categories so both can win hopefully. Lewis is def in for a shot after this year`s win and some of his scenes this year. Still can`t believe he beat Walt`s crawl space LOL but if anyone should Lewis was well deserving;
November 13, 2012 at 5:24PM ESTShawn Mahone
November 12, 2012 at 1:18AM EST Reply to CommentAlan! Sepinwall! You forgot that the warden insulted Saul's beard! How dare he! Who does he think he is? the galle and arrogance to speak of Saul's beard in such an curt wa
y has raised my ire! Come on!
ideemo
November 12, 2012 at 1:20AM EST Reply to CommentLoved the episode. And I couldn't stop looking at Lewis' tiny mouth. GOD DAMMIT SNL! Is that a technique for him to do an American accent more effectively? Does he barely open his mouth when he's speaking in his British accent too?
unclevanya That's what I said just a Just before. A good actor has to have some short cuts.
November 13, 2012 at 2:09PM ESTI remember something about Tina Fey and 30 rock. She was told by someone in her part in 30 rock. Think Julia Louis Dreyfus in Seinfeld. channel her and you will nail it. And she did, watch an episode, she is acting like Julia Louis Drefus. It's show business. when Damien accepted his Emmy, his mouth was not small!.
Cheers to SNL and Homeland
Dan
November 12, 2012 at 1:32AM EST Reply to CommentDana's going to be the next terrorist after Brody, they've been foreshadowing since the first episode, when the surveillance guy says "maybe she's the terrorist" after Dana swears
Rose That is the dumbest prediction I have ever read. Dana is on the verge of becoming a young adult. The feelings that she portrays on the screen accurately represent what a child her age would feel. Perhaps a girl Dana's age once rejected you Dan therefore you believe all girls around that age who do not simply say "yes Dan you are the man" are terrorists.
November 12, 2012 at 4:18AM ESTPatrick I thought he was being facetious
November 12, 2012 at 8:30PM ESTMo I could see her becoming at least somewhat involved helping Brodie as she has always been so close to him and she seemed accepting of him being a Muslim, maybe not a full on terrorist. I didn`t think about this until I read the comment but now it does seem like there is some foreshadowing with the hit and run storyline. Cheers
November 13, 2012 at 5:30PM ESTanon
November 12, 2012 at 1:40AM EST Reply to CommentDoes anyone else think Max could be the mole? His statement, "I'm not mute" seemed a little foreshadowing to me. It also reminded me of when he told Carrie that he had always believed her about Brody. It's always the quiet ones...or maybe I'm reading too much into it.
Sparks I figured the 1st AD just asked "Which extra wants to get a SAG card today?" and Max was the lucky guy.
November 12, 2012 at 1:45AM EST
The mole was already revealed...most people missed it though: It was the sound guy (the guy that's part of Virgil's team). Remember when you see him try and get his microphone close to that terrorist chick and that terrorist guy near the water fountains? He doesn't pick up their conversation because he puts his microphone right next to the fountains...plus I think he is the sound guy for the moment when Brody and the terroist chick's conversation goes mute. That's just my theory...could be wrong.
November 12, 2012 at 2:18AM ESTdk Yeah the sound guy is Max, no? I had a similar thought, too. Max knew about the meet when Tom Walker blew up everyone in that square last season, too. Interesting theory.
November 12, 2012 at 3:04AM ESTRose I will admit that anything is possible with these producers since they came from "24" but it seems far fetched to make the butt of many jokes the mole. Stop trying so hard.
November 12, 2012 at 4:20AM ESTDan3320 Max will not be the mole. He knows some, but not enough of the CIA stuff. He's on the outskirts of the op, not closely tied enough.
November 12, 2012 at 11:54AM ESTjack_is_laughing I'm convinced 24 has essentially ruined speculating on TV shows like this because all people can do is talk about who is the mole. Please folks, 24's version of "drama" isn't relevant to every TV show about spies, even if the creators of this show came from that one.
November 12, 2012 at 12:43PM EST
I never watched 24, Jack. I'm going on the notion that this show has a mole, which might or might not be the case. I agree it isn't the most interesting part of the show, but there is enough evidence to begin a conversation about it. At the root of this show, by the way, is an espionage plot...which, of course, have moles.
November 12, 2012 at 3:32PM ESTI am more invested in other parts of the show, but the mole plot is relevant and I believe Max is the mole. Thank you.
Jinjee Agree with @Dan3320...we're looking for someone who could get the access code to Estes' safe, for example, right? Virgil's not even CIA, as I understand it, but he's closer than Max. Not that I like Virgil for this. Just sayin'.
November 12, 2012 at 3:52PM ESTJerseyRudy Alex Gansa has talked about the mole speculation. He says that mole(s) are part of life in intelligence work, and most of the time there is more than one mole, and they never get revealed. Based on that I would be surprised if we get a "Eureka" mole reveal.
November 12, 2012 at 4:06PM ESTAll we are supposed to know at this point is that there appears to be a mole. Anything beyond that is a total guess.
jack_is_laughing It's convenient for Gansa to claim that because he doesn't have to actually prove it, but it's just not that easy to penetrate Langley. It requires a hell of a ground game, something only major foreign intelligence services can muster. It might be easier to penetrate the CIA in a hostile foreign territory where their agents are relying heavily on local contacts, but this is the U.S., not overseas.
November 12, 2012 at 4:22PM ESTThe only evidence of a terrorist organization penetrating Western intelligence is the CIA double-agent who turned out to be an Al Qaeda operative. He blew himself up after entering a CIA base in Afghanistan and killed 4 agents. He was not secretly operating here in the U.S. nor did he have access to classified information, but he still fooled the CIA.
There's also the guy responsible for helping coordinate and support the Mumbai terrorist attack. He was a DEA asset who supposedly acted as an asset abroad for the CIA, but he never worked within the CIA or had access to classified information.
But believe whatever you want. A mole is just going to be the writers' way of copping out though.
JerseyRudy There have been other examples of moles being caught over the years. Keeping in mind that the public would not know about those who are caught before causing any damage. and of course nobody ever knows about those who are never caught.
November 12, 2012 at 4:48PM ESTBut I agree that it is a waste of time to speculate about whether there is even a mole or not on this show. I doubt the show will ever address it one way or the other.
jack_is_laughing Right, moles working for Russia or China, which are major foreign powers with long histories of counter-espionage and huge military budgets. Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah don't have those resources or capabilities.
November 12, 2012 at 5:06PM ESTJerseyRudy Nada Nadim Prouty was a publicized example. Hezbollah has accumulated the resources and capabilities over the years that allow them to engage in counter-espionage activities. The CIA downplayed it publicly because of the embarrassment.
November 12, 2012 at 5:45PM ESTBut this is a television show. The question is not whether it has happened, but whether it can happen. We have never had a rescued POW try to blow up the Vice President, but the show still won the Emmy for best drama.
jack_is_laughing Did you get that off Fox News? She was guilty of immigration fraud. There has never been a shred of evidence that she was an asset or agent of any foreign intelligence service, nor that she provided support or had allegiance to any foreign power. Give me a break.
November 12, 2012 at 5:53PM ESTJerseyRudy I am not going to get involved in a silly debate over Prouty. The CIA and FBI have obviously never revealed all the information known about her case, but you are right that immigration fraud was the official charge against her.
November 12, 2012 at 6:15PM ESTMy point was that some viewers of this show are making too much of the idea that there is a mole that will be revealed. You seem to agree with me on that.
If you disagree with the comments of the show's creator, so be it. I don't find it to be a plot stretch that a terrorist such as Abu Nazir who is in partnership with Hezbollah would be able to engage in counter-espionage activities inside the United States.
When did we all start taking crazy pills? Maybe there's a mole, maybe not. I feel like these "fan comments" are just becoming arguments about arguments.
November 12, 2012 at 10:40PM ESTSparks
November 12, 2012 at 1:44AM EST Reply to CommentI only paid attention to his mouth in one scene and then it was fine. Fantastic Episode, can't wait for next Sunday.
Stacey
November 12, 2012 at 1:59AM EST Reply to CommentI feel really mixed about this show now. I LOVED "Homeland"'s first season. This one on the other hand is annoying the heck out of me. So many plot twists and turns! All at once! I SOOoo wish they had played the long game instead. I so disliked that Carrie went up to Brody's hotel room after meeting him at the bar, and then blowing the whole spying game they were doing. Just moved way too fast for me. I was all set to settle in for many episodes of the CIA team watching Brody on all the eight jillion spy cams.
That said, it is still a great show, it has just become really unbelievable to me at this point. Would the CIA really have gone to the tailor's shop at Gettysburg withOUT backup? No. And Brody killing the tailor. Where did that come from? Totally agree with the comment that, um, Brody? LET THE CALL FROM JESS GO TO VOICEMAIL, you fool!
Also very hard to believe the murder of all the agents wouldn't have blown the whole operation at this point.
Sigh. I SO wish they had played the long game instead of the bing-bang-boom "24" style hit and run episodes ACK!
Kal I already gave up on the show a few weeks ago for being "24 with f*cks" and I'd hoped it'd get better. But "24-like" seems to be the buzzword on all the sites I've read. Oh well. I wish we could get an X-Files part II and have Bowman, Spotnitz and Gilligan tag-in for Howard and Ganza
November 12, 2012 at 2:20PM ESTarlene this show has totally jumped the shark writing wise. I do not "get" how Carrie and the CIA know about the hit and run and does anyone in the world still wear glasses that have glass lenses? I cannot suspend disbelief any longer
November 13, 2012 at 5:23AM ESTHISLOCAL As long as we're nitpicking (glass glasses, come on), I'd like to refer you to this research video that conclusively proves that "jillion" is not a real number:
November 13, 2012 at 10:45AM ESThttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P64ikwUSs0A
ADF I know this is a couple days later so you may not see this Arlene, but the way Carrie finds out about the h&r is set up earlier, when Walden is talking to his wife about it. He mentions he told Estes/their guys, who will deal with Metro DC - given that it's Estes who calls Carrie, that's your answer.
November 15, 2012 at 3:12PM ESTThe answers to questions/comments like that are usually in the episode or set up in the Previously On, but you have to pay attention
Jaxemer11
November 12, 2012 at 1:59AM EST Reply to CommentI guess I need to watch the episode again. I thought it was the worst of the series (which is odd, since I usually only disagree with Alan when he is negative about an episode). The Dana storyline was ridiculous.
funny...I thought it was one of the better episodes. I didn't think the episode where Brody and Carry go face-to-face in the interrogation room was that good, but most people thought it was fantastic. To each his own, I guess.
November 12, 2012 at 3:33PM ESTA Worst of the series sounds right to me - I couldn't even finish it. Snarking every other line (as I have been since "The Smile") didn't even work - I think I'm out.
November 13, 2012 at 12:01AM ESTJohn G.
November 12, 2012 at 2:01AM EST Reply to CommentWhy is his name Finn? So annoying.
Rhonda84 Finn is slowly climbing up the baby name chart-rank of 835 in 2000, 304 in 2011. Source Soc Sec website.
November 12, 2012 at 9:53AM ESTJohn G. Awful name for an old money political family.
November 12, 2012 at 5:02PM ESTCody B
November 12, 2012 at 2:08AM EST Reply to CommentI liked tonights episode but was aggravated that the main plot seemed to go nowhere. Homeland has been fantastic at really advancing the plot week after week and tonight it just felt like they where spinning there wheels. Where at the same place we where at the end of last weeks episode. No major plot developments like there have been.
As far as the SNL skit goes, I totally noticed Lewis' small mouth, but it wasn't distracting. Noticed it once or twice and quickly got over it.
JerseyRudy I like the fact that they are keeping us surprised from week to week with the pacing. Some episodes the plot moves much faster than anyone could have anticipated. This week it did not advance much at all, except with the emerging tension between the Brody and Walden families (which could emerge as a huge plot development). next week who knows
November 12, 2012 at 4:11PM ESTunclevanya Maybe he will confuse everyone and speak with his British accent! He looks like a puppet. His darting eyes and his mouth hardly opening. Oh just kidding Damien, all the American actors are on Breaking Bad. Your cute enough
November 12, 2012 at 11:11PM ESTkro_lin
November 12, 2012 at 2:12AM EST Reply to CommentI don't see how they keep dismissing the fact that the Gettysburg disaster would be a huge media story that they couldn't completely cover up, and that the covert CIA mission would have many more people involved (not just one idiot on a plane). Am I the only one that doesn't like that character? (I don't know his name...just the idiot CIA guy that got shot and seems to be one of a very few people working a huge terrorist sting).
Lindsey So the fact that the show acknowledged that the story was all over the media and was a big deal wasn't enough? Sure, it didn't go in to details about how its being covered up but that doesn't mean it's not happening.
November 12, 2012 at 4:27AM EST
OK, so it's happening off camera. I can understand that, but then shouldn't that be reflected in the amount of operatives they have watching Brody? It's like they have ONE GUY, who is a lunatic by the way, doing all the work...and Carry is just kind of wondering around trying to figure out what to do.
November 12, 2012 at 3:36PM ESTI don't take this show too seriously, but that's annoying.
Andrew Y Kro Lin is spot on. Just mentioning it in a few sentences and moving on is not giving credence to the notion that 6 US agents were killed on our soil. Everything would be magnified and the tension would be 'in the air'. Hell, I am down here in the center of the latest controversy and you could sense walking around that is all people were thinking and talking about. Magnify that 100X and that would be the appropriate reaction.
November 13, 2012 at 2:02PM ESTBut as further evidence, I went back last night and watched Season 1 EP 7 when they first capture Aileen and the writing was so much more crisp and believable. Everything this season seems to be grasping at straws.
It is a lot like one hit wonders. It is probably a lot easier to write a first season, but to follow it up is the trick. Homeland is in a sophomore slump.
Jaxemer11 And we are supposed to believe the Vice President, who is a Presidential candidate, just accepts David Estes' brush off answer? This is a major terrorist attack, not a seven-eleven holdup. It isn't something that would ever be kept internal at the CIA.
November 13, 2012 at 11:50PM ESTSeanstle This is the crux of the issue, how is it even remotely believable that a CIA director is attending a fundraising party for a presidential candidate when a major terrorist act against his own department has been perpetrated just two weeks prior? Why hasn't the team assigned to Counter-terrorism tripled in size and budget? Instead they still have a ragtag crew eating Cheetos and watching Brody at a party?
November 14, 2012 at 2:24PM ESTMiguel
November 12, 2012 at 2:20AM EST Reply to CommentThe way Quinn discharged himself from the hospital was eerily similar to your guess at how he'd be "back in the field" on last week's podcast. Can't wait to hear Daniel's reaction on the pod this week.
HISLOCAL Yeah that is pretty Bauer-esque. It would be more believable if they needed him out of the hospital (instead of insisting he stay while he heroically pulls his own tubes out), so they put him in a wheelchair or something. It would advance the plot the same way but be less cheesy.
November 13, 2012 at 10:51AM ESTGreg Grant
November 12, 2012 at 2:22AM EST Reply to CommentSNL skit was a not a distraction, but it did highlight the "Brody's daughter just pops-up" thing that cracked me up. Kudos to the person who made sure she had to keep her hands in her hoodie the whole time.
And as another commenter pointed out, verily we doth knew the warden was an evil man when he insulted the mighty beard of Saul. The fiend!
Timm S I think it was designed to be a veiled anti-semitic remark. The warden was really going for a "get-in-your-place-boy" kind of vibe.
November 12, 2012 at 1:43PM ESTHISLOCAL We never got to see him get his comeuppance!!!
November 13, 2012 at 10:52AM ESTDo you like apples? How do you like this apple-scented beard wax??
Emma The Dana caricature was hilarious!
November 13, 2012 at 12:00PM ESTguest
November 12, 2012 at 2:35AM EST Reply to CommentThe SNL skit was a distraction especially when Dana entered the scene outside at the police station. I immediately thought of SNL.
I don't know how Jessica hasn't had a breakdown yet. Can't wait till she finds out about Carrie being back on the scene.
Jinjee I know right?! Of a hundred lies, when Brody told Jessica that Carrie isn't working at the CIA, I thought - that's the one that's going to sink you. Most likely to be discovered and most likely to scorch the marital earth. (Although, granted, she sure took that Tom Walker business in relative stride; she's starting to compromise.) Dana and Mike both know now, and Carrie is pretty bold in handling him. I'm waiting for her to call him from under the breakfast table some morning.
November 12, 2012 at 4:22PM ESTEmma If Jessica says in next week's episode, "I can't take another lie Brody" I'll lose it.
November 13, 2012 at 11:58AM ESTJohn
November 12, 2012 at 3:15AM EST Reply to CommentSNL wasn't a distraction since all its jokes were traits that I noted about the show some time ago. I sometimes refer to Lewis as Tiny Mouth.
maryploppins
November 12, 2012 at 4:40AM EST Reply to CommentHahah I watched the SNL sketch this morning and it was only very mildly distracting for me. But that is probably because Brody's mouth has ALWAYS distracted me for that exact reason hahaha, I didn't need SNL to point it out. Same goes for Carrie's chin. I'm used to both of them now. Great episode though ... I'm a sucker for character-focused eps.
Darkdoug
November 12, 2012 at 6:04AM EST Reply to CommentActually, given how the Brody-CIA secret is gradually being spread around, first to Jessica and now to Mike, I kept thinking that Carrie should have just told Dana a bare-bones truth. "It has to wait, because the CIA needs your dad for our op and it might screw up everything if he and/or the VP are disgraced." I mean, she told Dana a hell of a lot more last season, and basically saved the day. Not only that, but thanks to what Carrie said last year, Dana knows more than anyone else (if she believed it) and is in the best position to accept that half-truth, where Mike or Jessica might call bullshit if Carrie & Brody tried to push a too-implausible story.
The thing too, is that Dana has been well-established as Brody's anchor or pressure point, or whatever you want to call it. She was the reason he stepped back from the suicide bombing, she's the member of the family he's closest to and knows the most about what he's been through (again, thanks to Carrie last year, that includes the ultimate truth, even if she does not believe that). I think she's the one he least wants to let down or disappoint, and the one who can motivate him to tell the CIA where to head in. After all, taking the government's punishment in order to come clean and do what's right is what the Brody family all came together on in this episode (even if all of them were never physically together - symbolic perhaps?). Maybe he might actually do on a bigger scale what Dana insisted on for her own transgression. He's already becoming disenchanted with the operation, and suspicious of Carrie. If he starts to give up on the idea of actually ever winning any kind of genuine freedom, like Aileen, he might choose to end it on his terms. Carrie spoke of him needing to have some control, maybe by telling the CIA "Okay, lock me up, and good luck stopping Roya, Nazir, et al without me," he can have a way to both exert control, and live up to his daughter's ideal.
amylavi I agree DarkDoug that Carrie could have told Dana something a bit more convincing to help her understand why going to the D.C. cops was a bad idea. In general, I kept expecting Brody or Carrie or somebody to impress upon Jessica and Dana how complicated and dangerous things are right now for Brody. They all act like THEY are being put out by entities like the CIA, etc.
November 12, 2012 at 11:29AM EST
It falls under the old "don't share information between characters" bit that LOST perfected.
November 12, 2012 at 3:38PM ESTBen Agree, it would have been something convincing to say to Dana. I was expecting she was going to say that and was surprised when she didn`t, it looked like she was backed into a corner.
November 13, 2012 at 5:55PM ESTJason22
November 12, 2012 at 6:07AM EST Reply to CommentThey like this
berkowit28 Do they?
November 12, 2012 at 6:54PM ESTLW
November 12, 2012 at 8:40AM EST Reply to CommentI was always aware of Brody's teeny mouth but like you, it's now become a point of fixation. (I like it, though. Such a part of the character. I watched to see that, in fact, his lips almost never move!)
Remberth
November 12, 2012 at 9:04AM EST Reply to CommentWhy doesn't the CIA focus everything on Roya? She has a direct line to Abu Nazir right? Figure out who she's talking to and how she gets her instructions. They don't even need Brody if you think about it.
jack_is_laughing Yeah, I made the comment last week that their entire investigation should be focused on her. If Nazir's ninja squad just killed six CIA agents and removed a large object of profound important, then you'd think the CIA and Homeland Security would be crapping themselves over that. You'd think they'd surmise that considering Nazir's long history of killing anyone he deems a threat to his plan that he might kill Roya, or that they might worry that Roya would go underground now that the ninja team has announced their presence?
November 12, 2012 at 12:56PM ESTBut I got shot down when I suggested the most plausible move was to haul in Roya and begin interrogating her.
The capabilities of Nazir's US operation seem to grow and shrink in badassery depending on what the plotting requires week to week.
They have enough intel that they could just bring her in and interrogate her. But doing so would, I guess, force them to end the story line in a way they don't want to do. So we have to pretend that the CIA wouldn't do the most obvious thing in a post 9/11 world.
November 12, 2012 at 3:42PM ESTWhat would really happen is that they would bring her in and never let her go until she gave up the intel: she would be at Guantanomo Bay (along with Brody) in a moments notice, as soon as she gave up the intel.
If she refused to give up the intel, they'd give her to the British to torture...somehow they'd get the info out of her, because they have enough information to know a terrorist attack is coming, and after 9/11 this country (even in t.v. fiction land) is as paranoid as it can get about invasion. The CIA wouldn't risk the terrorist plot coming to life after Gettysburg...they'd burn Roya and Brody in a heartbeat to get the truth out of them.
duncan I don't think you can just bring in Roya. Didn't they mention this last week or the week before? If they bring in Roya she's the link to Nazir. Nazir is definitely going to know she's missing and just accelerate the timetable. Also with Roya being in deep you know she won't give up info. The only way to make Brody do it was his emotional connection to Carrie.
November 12, 2012 at 7:21PM ESTBringing Roya in for questioning is not an option in any "real" sense me thinks. That's what I got from the previous two episodes where they tail her. They want to find out what and who she knows.
jack_is_laughing Shooting and murdering employees of the Federal govt is a federal crime, and would be instantly under the FBI's purvey to investigate. I'm not sure if CIA agents actually count, since their deaths usually aren't reported or tabulated publicly. However, if this was in the media then Homeland Security and the FBI is now involved, as is the current President, Congress, and probably the NSA. Keeping Brody's dirty secret secret is impossible.
November 12, 2012 at 9:08PM ESTAnd with a situation this volatile and dire, I seriously doubt that those in charge would risk losing their only suspect (Roya). You could argue that before this incident Estes and the team had the discretion to do what they felt was best, but that should have ended the minute this became a national security emergency.
This being TV and this show obviously ignoring realism in the past (blowing up a suitcase bomb in downtown DC not causing a massive response), then you can easily say that Roya will stay in the open. Doesn't make sense though.
Angela Maybe this is a dumb question but I keep wondering why Rosa was so stressed out while waiting to meet Brody. She could barely sit still on the bench and looked like she was totally stressed out. All the other times that we've seen her she's been almost inhumanly calm and in control.
November 13, 2012 at 12:58AM ESTI get that things are moving fast now and a lot is resting on her shoulders, but this is the first time we've seen her this way and I assume it means something. Anyone have any thoughts?
Angela I hope it's obvious that I meant Roya and not Rosa. ::sigh:: I always end up reading all the comments too late at night because that's the only time I seem to have to do so. And I read *all* comments, even back when we had for pages of them while watching The Wire or Mad Men.
November 13, 2012 at 1:08AM ESTAngela Lol. I can't resist, I meant to write four, not, "for".
November 13, 2012 at 1:11AM ESTI should give in and sleep.
Evie19
November 12, 2012 at 9:08AM EST Reply to CommentHi Alan, I love your reviews. What did you think of Brody's dialogue to Carrie spelling out exactly how he felt speaking to the Vietnam Vet (how that man was everything he could have been, etc etc). I was so disappointed. All of that did not need to be spelled out. Damian's eyes revealed all of those feelings in the acting of that scene.
I love the show, but that dialogue was not very sophisticated and undermined the power and resonance of the previous scene between Brody and the Vietnam Vet.
What do you think?
Fuzzy Dunlop
November 12, 2012 at 9:49AM EST Reply to CommentI almost forgot about Aileen's husband being gunned down, but now that you bring it up, it raises another glaring inconsistency with regard to the terrorist Ninja assault: Namely, that Abu Nazir apparently has this strike force operating in America, capable of striking targets with brutal efficiency (first Aileen's hubby, now the tailor)... so why did they need Brody of all people to pick up the tailor? That plot point made little sense in a vacuum, but when we're reminded about the terrorist seal team six running around, it makes even less sense.
litbrit Because Brody is, and looks like, a regular American white guy driving in the country, whereas the Ninja guys are probably Middle Eastern in appearance, and quite possibly not in the US legally, so they didn't want to risk being tailed or pulled over?
November 12, 2012 at 12:40PM ESTFuzzy Dunlop Except Brody isn't a regular American white guy... he's a Congressman, VP candidate, and war hero whose face has been all over TV.
November 12, 2012 at 1:42PM ESTlitbrit I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that! I'm a very politically active and aware person, but I have to be honest, if one of my Congressmen--other than 6'4" Alan Grayson, who drives a vintage Cadillac limousine and wears bright-colored cowboy boots--were wearing a baseball cap and/or sunglasses, pumping gas into his garden-variety SUV at a country gas station, I guarantee you I wouldn't recognize him.
November 12, 2012 at 1:49PM ESTHISLOCAL I subscribe to the theory that he was being tested by Nazir because he failed his mission last season and gave a weak excuse ("I can influence policy instead!!"), so Nazir wants to see if he is still willing to put himself on the line.
November 13, 2012 at 11:29AM ESTJay Cjay And... Brody was driving his SUV, the vehicle we saw him park in his "Reserved for Congressman Brody" spot. Meaning, he was driving the tailor around in a car with Congressional license plates.
November 14, 2012 at 12:08AM ESTEllen M.
November 12, 2012 at 10:45AM EST Reply to CommentAgree that this episode was much better than last week but as others have mentioned, there have been a lot of incredible plot devices used this season and this has had a gradual negative effect on me as I watch each successive episode. I find it really hard to believe the Gettysburg massacre would not blow Nazir's plans or at least postpone them dramatically.
It was such a relief to see a strong Saul story line. They need to use him much more this season. Aside from his glasses/Aileen's suicide - Mandy P. always adds gravitas to any episode.
I had mixed feelings about the Carrie/Brody rendezvous. Her inability to draw a professional line with him is becoming very incredible to me. I thought the title of the episode fit the scene where Brody was in the pool. He was underwater (heavy metaphor), alone and could clear his mind. Ironically, it was the only safe place he could find.
I was still annoyed with the hit-and-run story line. It all ended up in a way that Finn predicted. For good or for bad - it only showed how much the Brody family does not understand their place in the political spotlight. And it's too late for them to escape this life because of Brody's situation as an asset for the CIA.
SNL sketch - Damian Lewis' mouth did not distract me. I've already noticed this and don't care because he's such a great performer.
The SNL sketch just made me dislike Dana more and I'm sad about that because I liked that character so much in the first season.
The funniest thing in the episode for me was when Quinn responded to Saul about Galvez' condition. He said, "He's still dying." So we still don't know if he is really dead or not.
James Adams I agree, I liked Dana the first season, but I find her annoying now- the SNL skit just confirmed that others find her annoying too. I can understand her having a moral code, but her going to the hospital and now wanting to turn her self in to the police is way over the top- what teenage girl would do that?...she just needs to smoke her weed and chill out.
November 13, 2012 at 2:03PM ESTEllen M. The SNL skit really made me laugh because Dana shows up in the CIA Situation room and somebody says, "Why is she here?" answered by, "I don't know. She just shows up at places." Exactly. Not credible.
November 13, 2012 at 5:43PM ESTIn this episode she also tells Finn that she went to the funeral for the hit and run victim in addition to the rest of the stuff (hospital visit, etc.). That was really over the top for me.
You are correct that a teenage girl - even with a strong moral compass - would be overwhelmed by this situation and I believe would welcome the help out of this jam from parents, authorities, etc. I also agree - she was far more believable as a character when she was smoking pot with her "non-political" friends in Season 1.
K This reminded me, Dana going to the funeral would have been very risky and surely she would have been spotted by the daughter and that would have raised questions. This was not addressed, even just a line like `I stayed near the back and no one noticed me` would have been sufficient.
November 13, 2012 at 6:27PM ESTElen M. Dana could have said that and it could have covered that situation but why would she be there in the first place? We could have gotten her guilt and wanting to do the right thing without all the "going to places" which would incriminate her. We get that she wants to do the right thing. Having her "go to these places" underestimates the audience to a degree.
November 13, 2012 at 8:55PM ESTThere have been a number of things this season which could have been covered by a line or two by one of the characters. I really enjoy this show but am disappointed by this lack of attention to detail which undermines its credibility.
litbrit
November 12, 2012 at 11:57AM EST Reply to CommentRegarding the "ninja attack", I think the terrorist gunmen were wearing black because it was now night-time: hours had lapsed since the search of the tailor's shop began (remember, they were being extremely thorough--"no detail is too small"--and such searches take a long time). The helmets that the terrorist crew wore were to protect their heads from bullets (notice how the key guy, the one who met with Roya, still sustained a bloody wound to his cheekbone).
Regarding them not having back-up, they were all armed, and I recall that Quinn called for backup as soon as he believed there was something amiss. Carrie had told him she felt something was off, and he asked her "another one of your hunches", then he began thumping that one wall. He discovered it was hollow right before hearing something--we don't know what--and drew his weapon, as did the other agents. I felt the scene was quite believable.
That was last week. My big beef with this week's is the fact that the two teens were *still* the only ones to know about the hit-and-run. Wast it really not witnessed by anyone, particularly the Secret Service people who were on Finn's tail? Did he really lose them so effectively--as in, several streets away? And did the people who were clustered around the fallen woman not look up the street to see who might have hit her? If Finn and Dana could see them (remember, Finn looked back and said, "See, she's fine, someone else has called 911"), surely they could see Finn and Dana in that shiny new BMW.
jack_is_laughing The entire ninja team was dressed in standard SWAT team gear, and they claimed to be an FBI SWAT team when they arrived, which is why the guys who knew a SWAT team wasn't requested instantly drew their weapons. Those SWAT teams wear black head to foot like that whenever they suit up, probably so that they're easily identified by each other and because a heavily armed/armored person in black is much more intimidating.
November 12, 2012 at 1:00PM ESTlitbrit Right after Carrie called Quinn (while he and the team were searching the tailor's place), he told Galvez "Call for reinforcement--we want back-up here". Then he noticed the blank wall with the recent drywall work and began thumping it. Then Galvez reported that "FBI SWAT are an hour out; State Troopers will be here sooner". But a moment later, the terrorist guys burst in. They never claimed to be anyone or anything--they didn't speak a word. As for them wearing SWAT-like gear, you don't have to be law enforcement to buy bullet-proof helmets and vests (or a lot of other military-grade gear, weaponry, and more).
November 12, 2012 at 1:35PM EST
amen to that, litbrit. Any idiot can buy assault gear.
November 12, 2012 at 3:46PM ESTlitbrit
November 12, 2012 at 12:03PM EST Reply to CommentRegarding the "ninja attack", I think the terrorist gunmen were wearing black because it was now night-time: hours had lapsed since the search of the tailor's shop began (remember, they were being extremely thorough--"no detail is too small"--and such searches take a long time). The helmets that the terrorist crew wore were to protect their heads from bullets (notice how the key guy, the one who met with Roya, still sustained a bloody wound to his cheekbone).
Regarding them not having back-up, they were all armed, and I recall that Quinn called for backup as soon as he believed there was something amiss. Carrie had told him she felt something was off, and he asked her "another one of your hunches", then he began thumping that one wall. He discovered it was hollow right before hearing something--we don't know what--and drew his weapon, as did the other agents. I felt the scene was quite believable.
That was last week. My big beef with this week's is the fact that the two teens were *still* the only ones to know about the hit-and-run. Wast it really not witnessed by anyone, particularly the Secret Service people who were on Finn's tail? Did he really lose them so effectively--as in, several streets away? And did the people who were clustered around the fallen woman not look up the street to see who might have hit her? If Finn and Dana could see them (remember, Finn looked back and said, "See, she's fine, someone else has called 911"), surely they could see Finn and Dana in that shiny new BMW.
Torgo3K Quinn heard the door chime when the door was opened, and that's when he drew his gun. It's low in the sound mix, and he's busy talking to Galvez at the time, so you could easily have missed it.
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