Review: 'Homeland' - 'Q and A': Turn, turn, turn?
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"Are you sure you're not a monster, Brody?" -Carrie
Sgt. Nicholas Brody was a captive of Abu Nazir's for eight years. More than half of that was spent breaking him down with brutal physical and psychological torture, the rest on — as Carrie so eloquently puts it — putting him back together as someone else. Nazir needed that much time to take a loyal, patriotic soldier and turn him into someone willing to strap on a suicide vest and blow himself up along with Vice-President Walden and a few dozen other top officials.
"Homeland" doesn't have that kind of time to reassemble Brody into the man he used to be. Nor does Carrie Mathison. The show's been moving at warp speed all season, and there's a classic "24"-style ticking clock scenario to all of this: if the CIA wants a shot at turning Brody into an asset, rather than just sending him to prison, they can't keep him off the grid for too long without alerting his contacts in the local terror cell. I would certainly be happy to watch a half season of Carrie interrogating Brody, particularly when the show has Henry Bromell — who wrote for the greatest interrogation show of all time, "Homicide: Life on the Street" — on the staff(*), but I also understand the need to get this done with and move on to the next phase of the story.
(*) A good deployment of resources the last few weeks: Meredith Stiehm, who wrote "The Weekend," was assigned to write the "Brody and Carrie reconnect" episode, while Bromell got this one.
Asking Carrie to undo eight years of Nazir's work in a single day should be too high of a hurdle for even "Homeland" to clear.
Or, it would be if the show didn't employ Damian Lewis and Claire Danes — who, when they're acting at a level they are in this episode, could sell sand to nomads.
Certainly, the show has the past on its side. We saw at the end of last season, and at times this season, that Brody isn't entirely on board with his new life. He pulled the trigger on the bomb once (when the mechanism was damaged), but couldn't do it a second time after he heard Dana's voice on the phone. He objected at first to Roya's order to break into Estes' safe, and he wrestled initially with whether to warn Nazir about the assassination attempt. His time at home with his wife, his kids, his friends — and with Carrie Mathison — had already started dropping bread crumbs back to the person he used to be. Carrie had to do a lot of work in a day, but she didn't have to do all of it.
Mainly, though, this episode leaned on the work of Danes and Lewis who may (Lewis in particular with this episode) have just shut the door on anyone dethroning them at next year's Emmys.
Though the episode doesn't take place entirely in that interrogation room, it might as well, given the intensity of each moment Carrie and Brody share once she replaces Quinn. It's a masterfully-constructed sequence by both Bromell and Carrie. She can't come at Brody directly, having seen how he responded to Quinn, so she has to play into his perceptions of her as the crazy, spurned lover. She starts not by asking about terrorism, but by telling him, "You broke my heart, you know. Was that easy for you? Was that fun?" She lets things feel incredibly intimate as she holds the bottled water up to his mouth, then shuts off the cameras (but not the microphones) and begins slowly but surely walking him up to the realization of what Nazir did to him.
And as she cajoles and he resists, we get two incredible performances by Lewis and Danes, beautifully complementing one another, and shot gorgeously. I particularly liked the contrast between Carrie's very large, very white eyeballs, always popping half out of her skull in incredulity at Brody's lies, and the way Brody's eyes are so in shadow, and so wounded, that they look like two black, wet orbs, floating in pain and confusion over what he's been through.
And good lord, listen to all the emotion Lewis is able to convey when Brody finally says "Yes" to Carrie, or as he tells Jess over the phone that he thinks he found some answers.
I imagine the show isn't going to settle down into a straightforward triple-agent arrangement now — Brody spent too long on the other side to not be tempted at least once more — but I don't think it's possible to read this conversion as anything but genuine. Abu Nazir took eight years to turn Nichols Brody into someone else. Carrie Mathison took a day — on top of the months that she, Dana, Jessica and others had spent — to remind the congressman who and what he used to be.
When the interrogation finishes, Brody first collapses into a fetal position, exhausted by all he's been through (and also from the stab wound) before he's eventually helped up the steps — led up from another pit like the one he was kept in for years by Nazir's people — and back out into the world.
Our story has many twists and turns to come, but when you have actors this good, playing characters this well-written and directed, that's enough to make almost everything else work.
Great episode. May even top "The Weekend" as the series' best so far. Put Danes and Lewis together and turn 'em loose, and you always get something special.
Some other thoughts:
* "Q and A" had the benefit not only of Henry Bromell on script, but Lesli Linka Glatter — a director with a long, ecelctic and impressive resume (including the lawnmower episode of "Mad Men," the "Gilmore Girls" pilot, and the episode of "Freaks and Geeks" that NBC was afraid to air) — behind the camera.
* I'm pleased Quinn's stabbing of Brody was revealed as a calculated gambit he tried once he decided Carrie had a better shot than he did. We don't know the character well enough yet for it to work as him suddenly snapping.
* Loved the silent sequence towards the end of Quinn and Saul taking down every photo on the board but Roya's, then adding a card for the tailor. They have fewer leads than before, but they're the right ones now.
* One drawback to this episode — or, at least, to how the season has been constructed to this point — was how the show skipped past the moment when Carrie connected the dots about Isa a second time. Here, it's just treated as something the group collectively pieced together once they all got a look at the confession video.
* I'm also trying to withhold judgment on what's going on with Dana and Finn Walden — who here drive away from the pedestrian Finn hit while evading his Secret Service detail — until we see where it's going. Is this just setting up a like father, like son parallel: two men who both act recklessly and don't think about who will be collateral damage of their actions? Or is this going to be a plot point where Brody and/or the VP get blackmailed as a result of the hit-and-run?
What did everybody else think?
Alan Sepinwall may be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com
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October 28, 2012 at 11:07PM EST Reply to CommentDanes and Lewis were amazing tonight. I felt sorry for both Carrie and Brody, even though I know what Brody was going to do if Dana hadn't called him.
Also not sure where that sub-plot with Dana and Finn is going, except I don't like the distraction from the Carrie/Brody interaction. OTOH, at least they didn't encounter a cougar...
svetlana I'm guessing that was part of the plan. They probably decided on a date for him to be found and began his physical transformation back to looking like a prisoner.
October 29, 2012 at 2:31PM ESTDave I I still felt for Brody because, well, he'd been tortured and brainwashed for eight years, made to love (and lose) Isa, and shown kindness along with a convenient scapegoat for his pain and confusion at the most opportune of times. If that's not enough time and circumstance for Stockholm Syndrome to take place, I'm not sure what is.
October 29, 2012 at 3:13PM ESTNot sure what to think of Dana & Finn. It just seemed unnecessary, however it might have some payoff later. Still, that seems like a douche move. I'm not sure I believe some high school kid can pull off that kind of escape from the secret service, much less hide a hit & run. I'm not sure what's worse. The implied high school drama, or Dana's boots. Seriously, those were horrible.
-Cheers
Trilby @DAVE I -- yes, a douche move from a kid who seems like kind of a douche.
October 29, 2012 at 5:17PM EST@SVETLANA -- what?
Dave I @Trilby, it did come across as a douche move and Finn seems like the cool kid that might be a douche, or just a pretty decent kid who freaked. The jury's still out. That said, I think anytime you hit somebody with your car and take off, it's pretty much a given you've shown your true character and you are by nature selfish enough to look after your own best interests and not, well, help the person you just hit with a car. Not to say he could not evolve into a better person or grow as a character, however yeah, he's set up to be a bit of a tool at this point.
October 29, 2012 at 5:39PM ESTWhat I am most curious about is what they are doing with it.
-Cheers
Harpua Carrie/Brody or Walter/Skyler.. Tip my cap.. They can totally remove us from reality when they have their best one on one moments. Great episode.
October 30, 2012 at 9:07PM ESTLagunadelmar What's weird is what this hurricane did! For all I care about, she can call him Walter White
October 30, 2012 at 9:54PM ESTLagunadelmar In light of the current hurricane she can call him. Gustavo!
October 30, 2012 at 9:58PM ESTLagunadelmar Brody is a first name also, so it's nice. If she called him GOLDSMITH or. MONROE . That sounds weird. ( I like Monroe)
October 30, 2012 at 10:07PM ESTLagunadelmar Dave. Get with female psyche! Do you really think he should just blurt it out like that!! My uncle worked for the FBI. It was something he would never tell.
October 30, 2012 at 10:16PM ESTAfter 5 years he finally told us. He also was in the securities and exchange. Doing both. Best keep these things secret. Their marriage was pretty shakey! It sounded too stupid. Waiting for breaking bad.
Dave I @LagunaDelMar, do I think who should just blurt what out and in regard to whose female psyche? Sorry, I'm not sure what specifically you're talking about in my response to this thread.
October 31, 2012 at 10:22AM ESTTotally aside, I'm waiting for Breaking Bad as well.
-Cheers
Finnle
October 28, 2012 at 11:10PM EST Reply to CommentDana and the hit and run = Kim and the cougar.
Brian More like Landry the Killer Placekicker
October 28, 2012 at 11:26PM ESTamanners Or don't forget Terri and amnesia
October 28, 2012 at 11:31PM ESTAlanna Or Landry and the near-rapist....
October 28, 2012 at 11:34PM ESTGreg Grant @Finnle. This. Oh, so much this.
October 29, 2012 at 2:07AM ESTThis show is a tale of two things: acting and plot. Acting is fantastic. Plot... better suspend your disbelief. "Oh, hey, we have this guy we think we might have turned in one day that Nazir took eight years to re-program, we thought we'd set him in the wild and see what happens next... ya know, see if it works, right?"
There was a moment in interrogation, where Brody's eyes went from glassy/wet to dark, a small moment where Carrie switched to the more "What is Nazir planning stage" and I really, really thought that'd be the moment where Brody looks right at her and tells her there was no vest, because he'd caught onto her bullshit. But it never happened, and in retrospect, poor broken, tired, strung out Brody had no more introspective analysis left in him, so he bought the nonsense, yet was smart enough to go, "Um, you can't promise me immunity."
And then Brick/Finn killed a guy. Oy.
ed w About FNL...
October 29, 2012 at 3:56PM ESTLandry killing the guy in FNL made sense in context of the man's actions and the setting of the show, but only didn't work well because it clashed with the less-dramatic style of FNL.
But the Carlotta/Saracen subplot was like something out of Love American Style. Beautiful, willing hot latina just falls out of the sky and into his bed, more or less.
Homeland... the show is just as silly and over the top as 24, it just hides the fact behind better actors. Similar to what Greg Grant above said.
John The Landy plot is the gold standard for terrible plot twists on a great show that somehow managed to survive. The cougar plot with Kim wasn't *that* bad. I'm not saying it was great. It was definitely the weakest link of an otherwise spectacular second season of 24. But it didn't threaten to ruin the entire show the way the Landy plot did (though as Ed W points out, there were other problematic story lines at the same time). Amanners points out the Teri amnesia plot, which I think was significantly worse than the Kim/cougar plot. But even then, it only lasted for a couple episodes.
October 30, 2012 at 10:00AM ESTJoseph I'm going to withhold judgment on whether or not the hit and run = Kim and the cougar. It took me the better part of the first season to come around, but Homeland is not 24 and I think at this point deserves the benefit of the doubt.
October 30, 2012 at 11:40AM ESTI also don't feel that Brody's "turning" is as unbelievable as some commenters feel it is. In addition to what Alan noted, it has been obvious that Brody is deeply conflicted and tired of lying, and it was obviously a relief for him to be able to talk to Carrie honestly (or mostly honestly - he never actually admitted to wearing the vest, did he?). Also, we don't know at this point if he really has been turned back, or if he simply made the only play available to him in order to get out of that situation.
ZACH I got to agree with Greg Grant here. The CIA would not let a guy who just admitted that he conspired to blow up the Veep just waltz back into the world where he still has easy access to the Veep and others.
October 31, 2012 at 12:29AM ESTGreg
October 28, 2012 at 11:11PM EST Reply to CommentDid Brody mention the list of targets he took from Estes' office in the interrogation? Don't recall him giving that up when he named Roya, maybe we're to assume he revealed that later and they just didn't show it in the episode?
JerseyRudy I think we are supposed to assume that Brody did not mention the list of targets. If he did Saul and Quinn would have been focusing on that huge piece of information rather than fixing the bulletin board.
October 28, 2012 at 11:35PM ESTIt shows that Brody is still caught in-between the two sides. It seems to me that he would like to take down both Abu Nazir and Walden
ds This makes me wonder about the hallway scene which the CIA was monitoring via camera, no sound, last week. Brody and Roya retired to a hallway presumably to talk about her thesis. Are you telling me they couldn't put a microphone there - assuming it was a hallway frequently travelled by Broday. But if the CIA could mount microphones at a moment's notice, plus cameras, at the bar where Carrie felt her cover was blown, surely the CIA could plant a few microphones around Brody's office.
October 29, 2012 at 9:59AM ESTmely @DS, actually they said that they were using the hotel security cameras, and I assume that Carrie was wearing a wire or something.
October 29, 2012 at 4:14PM ESTJohn
October 28, 2012 at 11:13PM EST Reply to CommentI'm trying to figure out how the Dana bit will come into the main story. Will that be Brody's tipping point? Will he kill himself or do something else extreme due to it? Will it lead to Dana finding out about her father? I have a feeling it'll be the catalyst of big and isn't just there for the sake of thrills.
JerseyRudy I am sure it will tie in somehow, but remember that Dana does know the truth about her father deep down. When she called him in the bunker she knew from his responses that he was about to do something bad, which is why she pleaded with him to come home. She does not know exactly what he was planning, but she knows enough to know that Carrie was right when she came to the house in last season's finale.
October 28, 2012 at 11:39PM ESTKevin This could be a way for brody to discrace the VP and take him out of the election
October 29, 2012 at 12:54AM ESTKevin The last episode should be 'kill two birds with one stone'
October 29, 2012 at 12:57AM ESTKC That's what I thought, Kevin, that it would be a scandal that would prevent the VP from having a successful presidential run.
October 29, 2012 at 10:41PM ESTGajic Was anyone else worried it was going to turn out Nazir's plot was to kidnap or kill Finn and Dana would end up killed/kidnapped too? It would have been cheesy but the 24 watcher in me felt it coming. I'm glad the show chose not to go there. I thought they were going to kill or kidnap Dana then Brody would start working for them.
October 30, 2012 at 1:30AM ESTEugene
October 28, 2012 at 11:13PM EST Reply to CommentSeems to me that Quinn's stabbing was a bridge too far. While they know he's guilty and need him to either give information or go triple agent, stabbing a US citizen, on US soil, who happens to be a sitting Congressman is jumping the shark. The acting saved the episode after that scene, but I saw Fonzie putting on his waterskis there.
a.e. Disagree. Ever heard of Guantanamo Bay or waterboarding? I think most Americans would be surprised what it actually takes to keep citizens safe. If you accept that a man can get elected to Congress just months after returning from eight years of torture (an incredible, but actual major plot point), quibbling about the possible length those charged to keep us safe may take seems silly in a country where Rodney King and Abner Louima happened...on American soil...and neither of those men held secrets in connection to a major terrorist attack.
October 28, 2012 at 11:23PM EST
That doesn't bother me. What will bother me is if the Brody storyline continues past this season. It feels like it's on borrowed time.
October 29, 2012 at 1:28AM ESTRazorback Jumping the Shark? Hah! Hyperbole much.
October 29, 2012 at 9:33AM ESTJohn How many sitting congressmen did we water board? Pretty sure the answer is zero. I agree with Eugene. It was a bridge to far. It's one thing when Jack Bauer does something on 24. It's an action show. But Homeland is the "cerebral" version of 24--at least that's what we're told--so it shouldn't be trafficking in that kind of nonsense. That's the one thing about this review that bugged me. Alan said he was relieved that Quinn made a calculated move, which was good because we don't know him well enough to just snap. Ok, but do we know him well enough to accept that he would just stab a sitting congressman's hand? Sorry, but I thought that was over the top.
October 30, 2012 at 10:05AM ESTMahmoud Fayed "Ok, but do we know him well enough to accept that he would just stab a sitting congressman's hand? Sorry, but I thought that was over the top. "
November 1, 2012 at 9:33PM ESTBut he's guilty and a terrorist.
a.e.
October 28, 2012 at 11:13PM EST Reply to CommentBrody talks about Issa in the full version of the confession tape (I rewatched it from the season finale); so I think it's less so them glossing over Carrie's discovery, and moreso them making viewers "work for it."
J
October 28, 2012 at 11:18PM EST Reply to CommentNotice the other picture they left on the board?
dezbot Didn't catch who it was. Who was it?
October 28, 2012 at 11:53PM ESTJerseyRudy I believe it was the lady from last season who bought the house with the college professor. She gave Saul the lead on Tom Walker, but they have not shown her since then.
October 29, 2012 at 12:02AM ESTDarren
October 28, 2012 at 11:21PM EST Reply to CommentBEST EPISODE OF THE SHOW. By far! Yea Danes and Lewis better go ahead and make more room on their mantle cause next year's emmy is their's. Anybody else think of The Wire during the dismantling of the board?
MJL Reply to comment...
October 29, 2012 at 12:08AM ESTMJL @Darren, I totally thought of "The Wire" during that board dismantling, particularly one scene from "The Wire" where Prez was staring at the board as it was being re-arranged. "Homeland" is very quickly getting damn close to "The Wire" in terms of quality, I think.
October 29, 2012 at 12:09AM ESTJohn Not really. Just about any show that is doing a long-term investigation will have a board like that. Not everything is about The Wire.
October 30, 2012 at 10:06AM ESTMahmoud Fayed @John
November 1, 2012 at 9:39PM ESTAll he mentioned was that it reminded him of The Wire. Not that he thought it was a reference to the show. Don't be a dick.
Kendra
October 28, 2012 at 11:24PM EST Reply to CommentYour point about it taking 8 years to break down and rebuild Brody and less than a day to for the CIA to do the same is just one of the many plot contrivances that just isn't quite working for me this season despite how brilliantly acted it was. (And it WAS brilliantly acted.) So it was a good episode but not on par with Weekend for that reason. That said, I am excited to see where it goes and to see just where Brody's allegiance truly lies.
As for the VP's kid and Dana, I had an immediate nostalgic flashback to Nip/Tuck when Matt and his friend did something similar. That was before TV shows started routinely giving that kind of baggage to their 'good' characters.
I suspect the hit-n-run is the answer to Brody's "So Walden is just going to become president?" line. Walden may consider running for President but his child's mess up will force him to discontinue the race to spend 'more time with my family.'
Jaxemer11
October 28, 2012 at 11:24PM EST Reply to CommentThree quick thoughts:
1. Lewis earned the Emmy that he didn't deserve last year in this episode.
2. Will the Finn murder storyline jump the shark like Landry's on FNL did?
3. The newspaper Jessica looked at at the hotel had a picture of Obama and Romney on the front of it (I paused the DVR to make sure). That doesn't make any sense in this world.
Delta1212 In this world, they're actors on a political drama. That was a review.
October 28, 2012 at 11:32PM ESTKendra I thought Lewis earned that Emmy in the finale of last season. In fact, I suspected if anyone would dethrone Cranston, it was going to be him for that episode.
October 28, 2012 at 11:35PM ESTJacob Yeah, if they're having Obama as the president in this universe, then Waldon really shouldn't exist.
October 29, 2012 at 1:47AM ESTaamadis I think if you look closely you'll see it's actually a picture of Fauxbama and Wrongney, but I see how you could have made the mistake.
October 29, 2012 at 5:29AM ESTAnne Imagine Cranston getting this kind of material instead of the overpraised crap that was Season 5 and Vince Gilligan casting him aside in favor of Mike's one-liners. Damian Lewis is one lucky lucky actor.
October 29, 2012 at 7:25PM ESTJohn I wouldn't say that Lewis didn't deserve the Emmy. He was phenomenal in "Marine One" (my vote for the best episode the show has done), particularly in the telephone scene with Dana. I just think that Cranston deserved it more than Lewis did. But if Cranston was going to lose, Lewis was the best of the other options.
October 30, 2012 at 10:09AM ESTJoseph I've got to say, one thing I didn't expect to see in the comment section for this excellent Homeland episode is an accusation that Season 5 of Breaking Bad was "overpraised crap".
October 30, 2012 at 11:48AM ESTRicki @jamex Completely agree that Cranston was robbed of the Emmy. Yes The Weekend episode was great (moreso for Danes), but The Marine One episode is the only real reason why Lewis edged out Cranston. Cranston had TONS of scenes and episodes where he was head and shoulders better: "I am the one who knocks", the crazy laughter once he found out Skylar gave Tod Beneke the money, the scene with Walt Jr. when he was a mess with broken glasses, the scene with Jesse in the lab in "Boxcutter"; there are SO many more! It seems like Season 4 is the sweet spot for drama series - The Wire, Breaking Bad, Mad Men (specifically the "Suitcase" episode) come to mind.
October 31, 2012 at 11:54AM EST@anne and @joseph BB has gotten to the point of a more massive following, and I think it's affecting everything with production except for the actors. As for season 5 of Breaking Bad, it's not going to be nearly as good as Season 4 (or earlier). If there was a season for BB to win best drama series, and Cranston for best actor - last season was it. Huge bummer.
As for this episode, Brody caved way too fast. He lasted 8 years in captivity, and less than 24 hours they had him looking as tired as he did? and couldn't stand up after interrogation? I get what they are trying to symbolize, etc, but it really took away from the acting for me.
Also, the wife seemed a little too eager to see Brody after less than half a day when she kicked him out of the house, no?
As for #3, I didn't notice the newspaper, but in the beginning credits, they have Obama in it too. Although the show could take place "after" Obama was president, it still bothers me for some reason.
Jaxemer11
October 28, 2012 at 11:26PM EST Reply to CommentCarrie isn't actually in love with him, is she? I have to imagine she is still just playing him. After the cabin scene, I thought I remembered her being completely disgusted with him.
Delta1212 I could see it going either way, and personally think it's probably a mixture of the two. Heck, Carrie might not even know how much was real and how much was theater, as Saul put it.
October 28, 2012 at 11:34PM ESTnate Reply to comment...
October 29, 2012 at 1:03AM ESTSlam I think Carrie found a kindred spirit in Brody and a large part of her loves him. At the same time, she's serious about her job / taking down Abu Nazir. So I think both things are equally true. Which makes there relationship that much more complicated.
October 29, 2012 at 11:47AM ESTThe scene in the bunker blew my mind; this show sometimes goes too far into silly "24" land; but always somehow comes back to more believable.
It's by far the best show on the tube right now
Sophie
October 28, 2012 at 11:26PM EST Reply to CommentWho was watching Brody get out if Carrie's car at the end?
Jaxemer11 I thought it was Carrie's surveillance guy.
October 28, 2012 at 11:29PM ESTDezbot Yep, it was Carrie's guy.
October 28, 2012 at 11:53PM ESTSophie Phewww
October 28, 2012 at 11:59PM ESTmikerwilson Yea it was Virgil...who as a new series regular sure hasn't had much to do given that he had no lines here. I did like that he remained in the van outside Brody's house after Carrie drove off. I took that to mean he was on duty to watch Brody, which is absolutely something I would expect the CIA to do.
October 29, 2012 at 12:36AM ESTJamie Is it safe to say that Brodie will now be under complete and total 24/7 surveillance in order to ensure he has any slip ups with Nazir?
October 29, 2012 at 5:38AM ESTAnd I really hope this stuff gets unraveled by the same anonymous moles within the CIA that knew Estes' safe number.
Scott
October 28, 2012 at 11:31PM EST Reply to CommentWhy did the 3 Brody's need two pizzas?
JerseyRudy Great question! They also had a nice salad.
October 28, 2012 at 11:48PM ESTIt only makes sense if they each have 3 slices (maybe 4 for the 12 year old boy) and then Jessica refrigerates the rest for later in the week. If this was "24" they would have had 3 pizzas, which would have been ridiculous.
Build A Better Fan Damn, JerseyRudy. Almost everyone who could have thought up that punchline would have gone right for it like it was in heat. But you had the patience to add in some misdirection, build up expectations and then violate them, like a well-played game of checkers.
October 29, 2012 at 3:47AM ESTElen M.
October 28, 2012 at 11:31PM EST Reply to CommentThis was a fantastic episode - first I thought it belonged to Brody, then Quinn and then Carrie. So amazing what these actors were able to do here. When Quinn stabbed Brody in the hand I was ticked off - so out of character for this guy. But when it was revealed as a tactic for "good cop bad cop", I thought it was brilliant. Peter Quinn has risen in my estimation as a character to be reckoned with.
The interplay between Lewis and Danes was so brilliant that it will be hard to see the likes of this level of intense exchange again very soon. I have been waiting for something to rival The Weekend episode and this does come very close. The thing that gets me is when there is real honesty between these two characters. And even though games were being played by both here - there was some real honesty as well. I did buy that Brody could be turned like this because he has so much to lose - and he still has feelings for Carrie even if he doesn't want to admit it. The look on Lewis' face when Carrie tells him he will have to meet at her apartment to keep up his cover with Nazir's contact - well, it was like he couldn't believe his ears. A bit convenient for a lot of future complications but let's hope it all plays out as well as this episode did.
Cathyofto
October 28, 2012 at 11:31PM EST Reply to CommentAll I can say is, this show is seriously earning its Emmy!
jpooch
October 28, 2012 at 11:32PM EST Reply to CommentI figure the whole Dana/Finn hit & run will end up with a Walden destroying a Brody again and give Nick another reason to want the VP dad, thus giving him a reason not to follow through with his new CIA deal
Delta1212 I'm not sure if I'd be amused or horrified if the show tried adding more -uple's to Brody's agent status.
October 28, 2012 at 11:36PM ESTBryan
October 28, 2012 at 11:34PM EST Reply to CommentDo you think the Carrie/Brody interrogation was shot in one take? Looked like it to an untrained eye, such a long, intense scene...
Dezbot Don't think so. There were some inconsistencies with Carrie's crying (one shot her face is wet with tears, and the next she's dry).
October 28, 2012 at 11:51PM ESTjan And Brody's eyes are very, very red and tearful at one point and only seconds later are not at all red. But I wonder where the breaks were. It must have been hard to cut and retake very much.
October 29, 2012 at 9:34AM ESTKimberly Salvinski Garcia
October 28, 2012 at 11:35PM EST Reply to CommentAlong comes a show, that totally blows my mind. I use to come here to add my comments to your excellent review, and all I want to do re-watch. The brilliant interrogation between Carrie and Brody had me speechless. You spoke of Brody's eyes, sunken, tired, and all I could focus on was Carrie's words bringing him to tears. I was moved to beyond words with not only the dialog, but with the handholding, and Brody going back to fetal position. Last season, Carrie talked to that Saudi national, and focused on what made him human, not what made him a terrorist. I feel honored to be a viewer of this work. PERIOD.
Jaxemer11
October 28, 2012 at 11:36PM EST Reply to CommentWhy does Jessica call her husband Brody? That is kind of weird.
mikerwilson I've always thought that too...really odd, especially since her last name is Brody too...
October 29, 2012 at 12:38AM EST
lol. I hadn't thought of that...I wonder if the writers sometimes forget to have his wife call him Nicholas, since every other character calls him Brody. Now I'm going to begin watching to see how often it happens.
October 29, 2012 at 1:25AM ESTChris I have a friend who calls her husband by his last name...it's what everyone calls him, and that's how she was introduced to him and knew him before they started dating
October 29, 2012 at 2:26AM ESTjgordon He mentions that they met in High School, so that may have been his "nickname" back then and she still keeps to it. (perhaps when she's annoyed?)
October 29, 2012 at 9:04AM ESTEvan She's always called him that, even before they were married so it has stuck. I knew a few couples that are like this, especially military ones.
October 29, 2012 at 9:23AM ESTSanders I found the conversation with Jess after the interrogation a almost codewordish. She asked where he had been, his response, "Looking for answers." I think I am just looking for reasons to justify my dislike for Jess. Some sot of involvement in a plot would do the job perfectly.
October 29, 2012 at 9:29AM ESTds It's been seen before in tV, so it's not like it's anything new. Scully and Mulder were always Scully and Mulder to each other. ON Hill Street Blues, Joyce Davenport always called Frank 'Furillo'. There are other examples.
October 29, 2012 at 10:04AM ESTSlam I know couples who this , "Smitty, Hooper" etc
October 29, 2012 at 12:10PM ESTMeg I'm a married woman, and almost all of my friends still call me by my maiden name. My husband does not, but I think if he and I had been friends before we started dating, he might have! Because that's what everyone calls me. I actually like this little character point on the show, to me it shows how long they've known each other.
October 29, 2012 at 1:12PM ESTTrilby I too find it weird. @DS -yes, exactly, it's a TV thing. In real life, not so much. Some people may say they know such couples but I don't so it's weird to me. If the writers wanted his name to be Brody, they should have named him Brody.
October 29, 2012 at 5:24PM EST
It's weird because her last name is Brody. If you don't think it's weird, call your spouse by your last name and see how it comes out. I tried it...it reminded me of gym class in middle school. Creepy.
October 30, 2012 at 12:57PM ESTMark It's a military thing. In the military your last name is sewn on your chest. In informal settings fellow soldiers will refer to you by last name or nickname general. They will only use rank and last name in formal instances. All his former unit buddies also call him Brody. And if everyone in their social settings calls him that she is just following suit. It might also have been his nickname in HS as they met in HS, most people in high school called me by my last name as my first name was generically common.
October 31, 2012 at 3:35PM ESTspecter Mike is military but he is always Mike. I even don't know his last name. Roya, Hadir and Walden's wife are the only ppl call him Nick (Nicholas).
January 27, 2013 at 1:13PM ESTRobinson
October 28, 2012 at 11:39PM EST Reply to CommentI think the terrorist attack is going to involve either the murder or kidnapping of Finn, the VP's son.
It makes thematic sense for Nazir (Walden took his son away, so he'll get revenge), and it explains why Finn has become a character this season. It also offers the opportunity for Dana to be put in the same danger. (Her being kidnapped alongside Finn, when Nazir already knows Brody is working with the CIA, could create great drama and moral dilemmas).
mikerwilson Whoa, great thinking. I could see that happening and being an amazing storyline...so long as it is resolved properly, unlike when Zooey Bartlett was kidnapped on West Wing...
October 29, 2012 at 12:40AM ESTKevin I like your thinking didn't Carrie said Nasir doesn't go after soilders he goes after your children the ones you love. And the way Jessica said 'keep her safe' as they left for their date, you get that feeling something is gonna happen! I'd love the senerio with Brody having to choose between Finn getting killed and having to stop it because Dana is with him
October 29, 2012 at 1:20AM ESTSteve Oh, that's really good. Of course now if it happens, I'm going to be mad that it was "spoiled". ;)
October 29, 2012 at 1:19PM ESTMahmoud Fayed Good theory! Kinda reminds me of how Damon Pope got his vengeance on Tig on this season's Son of Malarkey.
November 1, 2012 at 9:50PM ESTShawn Mahone
October 28, 2012 at 11:55PM EST Reply to CommentAt least we now know why Brody had that stupid plot line involving the Tailor and the safe and the failed assisination of Abu Nazir. They needed to use all these events to help us buy that 8 years could be wiped out in a single day....I see a shark.....hmmm....great acting, but like Chuck or SOA or Dexter (especially Hall) or fringe, etc...great acting only covers up so
Much. Come on guys up your game you are too good for this.
This show is far and beyond better than Dexter. That show crapped the bed a long time ago.
October 29, 2012 at 1:26AM ESTShawn Mahone Remember Dexter was excellent for 2 seasons. Only after they had to drag the show did it suck, same with lost. Once a show gets to a certain point a drop in quality Is an inevitability. I can see the signs already. Still fantastic acting.
October 29, 2012 at 7:37AM ESTideemo
October 28, 2012 at 11:58PM EST Reply to CommentOff topic, but which episode of Freaks and Geeks was the one that NBC was afraid to air?
Diana Kim Kelly is My Friend. Was a tour de force for Busy Phillips but it was dark.
October 29, 2012 at 12:47AM ESTKuriousOranj http://sepinwall.blogspot.co.uk/2007/06/freaks-and-geeks-rewind-kim-kelly-is-my.html should explain it
October 29, 2012 at 12:03PM ESTSlam Busy Phillips was so GREAT on Freaks and Geeks; and such a cliche character on Cougar Town
October 29, 2012 at 12:12PM ESTM.A.Peel
October 29, 2012 at 12:03AM EST Reply to CommentAmazing episode. When he finally started coming clean, I was hoping that Brody would say something like, 'but I did detonate the bomb, it just jammed.' I know he didn't go through with it a second time, but actually going that far is still shocking, and it never feels like it's given its full weight in the storyline.
Heisenberg
October 29, 2012 at 12:07AM EST Reply to CommentExcellent episode, possibly a series best. Great recap as well. The show continues to blow me away with its commitment to these fast developments and how they set up the next phase of the story. And the acting is off the charts.
Shocking and disappointing, but further impressive considering its inclusion, that a plot turn as God awful as the hit and run made it into an episode this amazing.
Atta So what do you think was the reason Bodie was specific to say he never wore the vest vs changing his mind during the attack? Any more or less guilt that way?
October 29, 2012 at 12:51AM ESTBrown Was Dana or her ex responsible for the bomb not going off?
October 29, 2012 at 1:39AM ESTLauraincabo I always thought the vest malfunctioned because a wire got unplugged when Brody was shown taking his ID out with much difficulty when his car was stopped at the security checkpoint.
October 29, 2012 at 4:20AM ESTJacob
October 29, 2012 at 1:59AM EST Reply to CommentJesus, Lewis and Danes were amazing tonight. You could tell the stuff Carrie said was genuine, and seeing Lewis convey Brody's unravelling (which future episodes will show may not have been that at all), was a delight. Best episode of the series so far.
The Dana/hit and run stuff will obviously tie into the main arc at some point, so I can tolerate it up to now. That VP's son is a douche. I preferred the stoner.
Charlie
October 29, 2012 at 1:59AM EST Reply to CommentLewis was really good. I think Danes is a bit overrated. I'm sick of bug eyes and cry face being confused as great acting. It works in small doses but its getting to the point where it's all she really does. Note that this is just my opinion.
John I agree with some of this. I think Danes is fantastic, and she deserved her Emmy. But Lewis was better in this scene (and the more I think about it, he might be better overall). Danes was very good too, but she does this weird thing with her head where she finishes a question by tilting her head to the side, and every time I see it, I immediately think "acting" because it takes me out of it. Lewis never does anything that takes me out of the scene.
October 30, 2012 at 10:18AM ESTJay P
October 29, 2012 at 2:06AM EST Reply to CommentA couple comments:
1) I have to differ with Alan on this one. Really just didn't find the Carrie interrogation scene believable. It was almost as if the writers thought, "Let's avoid making Brody's transformation look unrealistic...by dragging out the conversation longer." I'm sorry, but it still didn't pass the believability threshold for me.
2) Did anyone else notice that Chris has an incredible resemblance to Mike in this episode? (I hadn't noticed this in the previous episodes.) Makes me wonder if this is an entirely separate plot point that will come out later -- obviously, it's been assumed up to this point that Chris is Brody's child with Jess, but maybe her past with Mike is more complicated than I'd originally thought.
Jacob Disagree with the first point, but your second one is just down to puberty, quite frankly.
October 29, 2012 at 2:17AM ESTmeagan Chris really looked different in this episode. I wonder if they switched actors.
October 29, 2012 at 9:30AM EST
I noticed that too about Chris. I think they switched actors.
October 30, 2012 at 1:00PM ESTnm
October 29, 2012 at 2:19AM EST Reply to CommentHard to tell, but it seems plausible the woman hit by the car could be Arabic. Perhaps Brody could become privy to the hit and run, Walden covers it up to protect his son, and Brody sees it as another Muslim being victimized by the VP. At this point Brody snaps, and decides he'd rather see Walden pay than protect himself. I don't know, just a theory.
Jaxemer11 I thought for a second it might have been Roya, but probably not.
October 29, 2012 at 10:03AM ESTgregel
October 29, 2012 at 2:21AM EST Reply to CommentFantastic performances. Not sure the rest of the season can life up to this episode, but it was worth it.
Nick
October 29, 2012 at 3:00AM EST Reply to CommentI was very disappointed with this episode, and am surprised that you're so on board with it. Two complaints that spring to mind:
1. Quinn stabbing Brody being written off as a 'bad cop' contrivance. That's the action of a lunatic. You'd completely ruin somebody's hand by stabbing it through. Why wouldn't he just rough him up with a few punches? And really, that whole section felt like a stall to get Carrie into the room. Just have her go in from the start.
2. In the past episodes I felt the Dana/VP's Son stuff was just marking time and basically filler. However with this murdering-the-homeless turn it becomes a big plot point, and a REALLY bad one from almost any angle for me (whether plausibility or more importantly whether or not the audience cares about it). In fact my instant thought was back to the Landry murder spree of FNL Season 2, which effectively ruined a WHOLE SEASON of a very good show - and looking at the comments, I'm not the only one who thought so.
I don't disagree that both Danes and especially Lewis were fantastic in their scenes, but the writing was very disappointing.
TL Sorry, but Landry was not the only reason why Season 2 of FNL sucked. Coach coming back to Dillon, Julie dumping Matt for no good reason, Tara and volleyball, Mexico. I can go on...
October 29, 2012 at 5:06AM ESTDave I 1. I can buy it. I am not sure I loved it, however I can totally roll with it. First, it was Quinn's job. However, he seems smart and I can see him realizing he's not going to get to Brody. He gave it his best shot, however he does not have the personal connection Carrie does and they have very, very, very limited time. So two possibilities.
October 29, 2012 at 4:33PM EST1) Realizing the very high stakes, coupled with the timeframe, he lost it. Really, what else was he going to do? Make him watch the video again? Torture him? The congressman who they have nothing concrete on to prove he actually had the vest? Brody seemed content to dig his heels in on that cover story, as unbelievable (yet still almost kind of believable) as it was. They know the truth, however that is not the same as getting him to admit it and work for them. It took eight years to get him to this stage and they have approximately twenty-four hours. I could see him lose his cool.
2) He realized he played his card and Brody still held his ground and that Carrie was the best plan going forward. Thus, he has to do something drastic to get her in, evoke some sympathetic emotion from Carrie (and maybe Saul) to help her sell the Good Cop angle. Plus, she had the emotional connection he did not. Given the timeframe, desperate times call for desperate measures.
For now, I suspect it was #2, in part by how much he cooled down so fast. However the way this show is written, who knows?
As for the second point about Dana & Finn? Beats me. I'm not sure why the felt a need to include that or where they're going with it. That has to be just about the worst first date ever.
-Cheers
John I agree. The hand stabbing thing was just stupid and pointless. I particularly agree that Carrie should have just gone in from the start. Or just show Quinn being unable to get through. Whatever. The stabbing thing was the dumbest thing we've seen this season, which is saying something.
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