Review: 'Homeland' - 'In Memoriam': Abu Nazir slept here
Carrie leads a search through the tunnels, and Brody considers his future
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"We just went along — one thing to the next. I think maybe this is a time to stop and think." -Jessica
As we head into the end of season 2, "Homeland" seems bound and determined to remind us both of the ways it can be incredibly smart and the ways it can seem incredibly stupid, no?
On the one hand, "In Memoriam" turned Abu Nazir into a horror movie villain (complete with appropriate musical stings from Sean Callery), lurking in the tunnels and popping up only when Carrie and/or her doomed FBI escort least expected it. And the episode somehow expected us to believe that Carrie could avoid any kind of deeper examination of her time in the custody of the world's most wanted terrorist by having her simply tell Quinn that she got lucky in escaping. (No debrief of any kind beyond that?)
On the other hand, "In Memoriam" gave us that fantastic scene between Brody and Jessica, where they finally acknowledged that their marriage was over, and had been for a long time. It gave us Brody's complicated reaction to the news of Nazir's death, and his family's uncertain reaction to him. And it gave us that perfect moment in Carrie's interrogation with Roya where Roya forced Carrie to recognize that anyone who can ascend to this level of importance in Nazir's organization isn't going to be reduced to tears by a few minutes of empathetic conversation. Again and again, when "Homeland" takes a break from moving from one thing to the next to the next and simply stops to think about how these people would actually feel about what's happening around them, it's a great show. But when it's creating the events for them to react to, it's... Nazir as Michael Myers.
And because of that, I feel like next week's season finale could really go either way.
A year ago, "Marine One" was able to sell some implausible plot twists (the vest malfunctions at the critical moment, giving Carrie enough time to get Dana to call her father and talk him out of it) because it was ultimately more concerned with the humanity of it than the "what happens next?" of it.
On paper, there's not a similar sense of urgency going into this finale. Nazir is dead, probably ensuring that Carrie and Brody's secret stays as such. The rest of his cell is in jail. Brody and Jessica are splitsville. Quinn's mission is still hanging out there, as is the tension between Saul and Estes — and if the show wants us to wonder which man will survive this feud, I think we all know it's gonna be the one with the magnificent beard and beautiful singing voice — but we could be heading into "The Wire"/"The Sopranos" territory where the season climaxes in the penultimate episode and the finale is for reflection and cleaning up a few loose plot threads.
The events of the last few episodes make it hard to believe that "Homeland" would just ease off the throttle like that. I guess what it comes down to is what Gansa, Gordon and company have in mind for Nicholas Brody.
By all rights, the show should be just about done with our favorite conflicted ex-Marine. Nazir's dead, and his network is just about shut down. Everyone in the CIA knows what he's about. I know there are theories out there on the Internets — advanced most vocally by Emily Nussbaum — that Brody and Nazir were secretly working together last week, and that he's still working against American interests. Even by "Homeland" standards, this seems far-fetched — after all, he maintained the frightened pose on the call with Nazir last week even long after Carrie was out of earshot — and yet it seems like one of the only ways the show could keep him as an ongoing character, rather than someone who's either going to take a bullet in the head or a bus ticket out of town next week. What's the plan otherwise? Saul voluntarily leaves the CIA, and he, Carrie, Virgil and Brody form a vigilante anti-terror squad?
Okay, I would probably watch that show, with those actors involved. But it wouldn't be "Homeland." Then again, the last several episodes have me uncertain what exactly "Homeland" is — or whether the acting and character work are so great most of the time that it's usually easier than it's been of late to ignore the parts that don't hang together.
At the start of the season, I wrote that it was time to shut up and stop waiting for the creative team to screw up down the line. My concerns about this finale aren't that, because the show has already screwed up — or, at least, done a whole lot of goofy things in a very concentrated period of time. If they stick the landing next week, it won't retroactively make the goofiness go away. But if it's one where everyone involved stops and thinks — and where the show doesn't fall apart because we're thinking about it — it'll make it easier to dwell on all the things "Homeland" does so well until it comes back next fall.
Some other thoughts:
* James Urbaniak returns as genial polygraph expert Larry, but unfortunately doesn't get to stick around to conduct the interview with Saul, replaced by an Estes goon played by Chance Kelly.
* I hope Carrie's mix-up with Galvez was the show's way of acknowledging that, just because we assume there's a mole because of the "24" connection, doesn't mean there actually has to be one for Nazir to pull the stunts he pulls.
* Best example of embracing a cliche: Carrie literally washing the blood off her hands after she told no one about Brody's role in Walden's death, or Dana literally crying (or, at least, throwing a tantrum) over spilled milk?
* Oddly, this episode was called "The Motherf--ker with a Turban" for a very long time. Now, though, "In Memoriam."
* As many others (including Nussbaum and Libby Hill) noted on Twitter, Brody telling Carrie that choosing between her and Walden was no contest isn't really the compliment he wanted it to be, given how much he despised Walden — and how Carrie knows this.
What did everybody else think?
Alan Sepinwall may be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com
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December 10, 2012 at 1:25AM EST Reply to CommentI knew everyone had jumped the gun last week... because THIS was the worst episode of the series, by far. Holy hell, at one point I convinced myself this was all a mad dream, it was that stupid.
bitchstolemyremote But why do you feel that way? You haven't provided any context at all
December 10, 2012 at 2:05AM ESTDylan One minute Quinn is telling us how they work in pairs...then Carrie is left alone with one
December 10, 2012 at 4:01AM ESTOne minute the radio is working and the group is all togerher, then next minute they run off, never come back, and the radio stops working...
One minute Nazir has a gun...the next minute he's strangling Carrie...
Bill The working in pairs thing really got to me. Why even mention that if you're just going to ignore it later in the episode?
December 10, 2012 at 6:24AM ESTBill Also, has the CIA never heard of DOGS!? Nazir's hidey hole may have fooled the shockingly inept SWAT team, but I'm pretty sure a couple of police dogs could have found him in minutes. Does the hunt for the world's most dangerous terrorist not warrant a canine unit?
December 10, 2012 at 7:57AM ESTbrentalistair "Also, has the CIA never heard of DOGS!?" Yeah, that was pretty awful. I like this show a lot so I am willing to overlook a lot of the more glaring inconsistencies but this really made me roll my eyes. Dogs. Thermal sensors etc. There is seriously no realistic way that anyone, let alone a wanted terrorist, could hide from a modern government agency behind a lame fake wall. That was truly absurd and frankly ought to be embarrassing to the show's writers.
December 10, 2012 at 10:28AM ESTds What I couldn't get past was how the writers were turning Carrie into Wesley Crusher right before our eyes. Hey! Carrie knows Abu Nazir is still in the mill, even after being awake and tortured for 36 hours, and hey! she's willing to stay up for another 12 hours because she knows he's in there, and hey! she's the ONLY ONE who sees the conduits running into a SECRET CHAMBER (sound of anvil hitting the floor) and on and on... that is where it got ridiculous for me.
December 10, 2012 at 10:51AM ESTJoseph The entire first half would have been eye-rollingly stupid if it was an episode of "24", the fact it was Homeland made it even worse. The most wanted terrorist in the world and they pack up the site in 24-48 hours? The search teams'"searching" consists of little more than casually walking with flashlights? Where did the entire team wander off to? How did the one guy not see Nazir in a 5' x 5' room? That whole sequence was so poorly done and out of place I wish it had been cut completely.
December 10, 2012 at 12:52PM ESTDJ And who bought/rented the abandoned industrial facility? Or was Nazir just squatting there? And what terrorist mastermind would ever hide himself solo in a remote facility with almost no means of communication? And where was the junior terrorist with all the computer equipment who gave Walden the heart attack? And even if his stiches ripped, why would Galvez just radnomly drive off without telling anyone -- wouldn't the SWAT team have a medic? And most unrealistic of all, how could two or three people live in a confined space with Dana for that long with no one punching her in the face? I don't buy that at all.
December 10, 2012 at 4:53PM ESTjoel Yeah, the lack of any serious manhunt or attempt to find valid forensic evidence at the scene was just galling. I realize Showtime doesn't have the resources or budgets that early 00's NBC did with West Wing, but the few times that Sorkin took his character-driven drama and went into batsh*t crazytown he made an effort to sell it and did. It doesn't take much more than what they had to give the sense of a credible investigation, and they didn't even bother.
December 10, 2012 at 5:27PM ESTAs for the Tac Team, the lack of working radios, or this show suddenly become a serial killer thriller, I just had to roll my eyes.
Tarasa DJ - seriously, your dana observation made me laugh/snort. Thanks.
December 10, 2012 at 6:34PM ESTcarpediva "And most unrealistic of all, how could two or three people live in a confined space with Dana for that long with no one punching her in the face? I don't buy that at all."
December 11, 2012 at 5:00AM ESTHahahahahahahah, THIS!
Dave I As a bit of a Dana defender . . . by the end of the episode I pretty much wanted to punch her in the face too. Even for an obnoxious teenage girl, she was over the top annoying.
December 11, 2012 at 10:34AM ESTAll joking aside, if casual fans like us can pinpoint these flaws on-the-spot as we watch them, and a lot of these are pretty big and glaringly obvious, a team of writers should be able to do better. Watching it, I was able to roll with it because the moments where Homeland is great are good enough for me to at least keep watching until I can get engrossed in one or more of the great actors doing something truly magnificent. When you put them all together, it just greatly diminishes what would otherwise be a really wonderful show. It is like the anti-Wire; instead of getting better over time, it is undercut by stupid decisions that should have easily been fixed in a rewrite.
That said, I think what that would have done was make a show in some ways dramatically different than the one they are writing (and probably want to write). The SWAT Team should have been more competent since, well, that's what they do, it is who they are. However, then we would not get Carrie to be the hero. Really, she should not be an action star, it destroys credibility, however I am not sure they are confident enough to let her play her role and let a freaking SWAT Team play theirs. They seem like 3/4 of the time they want Carrie to be McNulty, and the other quarter they want her to be Martin Riggs from Lethal Weapon crazily doing the kind of stupid stuff that gets you killed (much less fired) almost immediately in that position in real life.
This show is becoming a candy bar. Initially, I am excited, and there is a LOT that is really good. However, after it is done and the initial sugar rush is done, it is still just an unfulfilling experience. Which would be fine if it had not promised so much more and did not have so much going for it. I REALLY wish they could step up and make the show I believe we all wish it would be, and probably thought it was.
-Cheers
Andy one of my biggest pet peeves in television is the reliance on the polygraph as the end-all be-all of determining someones innocence. Yeah, lets have a test with a reliability of (maybe) 80% determine the fate of a loyal CIA agent.
December 11, 2012 at 4:11PM ESTDave I Hey Andy, normally I am in agreement with you. In this case it did not really bother me. They were not determining Saul's innocence or guilt, just acquiring evidence. Basically, they were using the polygraph to get a confession from Saul and have a pretty good idea he was telling the truth. Sure, it is not 100% reliable. In this case, that does not really matter. It just helped them steer Saul into a compromising situation. They have Saul on record saying some damning things about his involvement in various deeds. They already knew or were trying to prove Saul did X, Y, or Z. It was about gaining leverage, not determining his fate, loyalty (or lack thereof), or anything like that. It was about getting Saul into a position to remove him as a threat.
December 12, 2012 at 10:52AM EST-Cheers
jack A pet peeve of mine is people chiming in like a polygraph is easily beaten, because it's not. It's not admissible in an American court of law, but they're still extensively used. The CIA routinely utilizes them, the FBI uses them, and most state and local prosecutors will accept the results as part of their investigations when performed by a reliable operator.
December 12, 2012 at 11:35AM ESTI've taken the polygraph myself a number of times, and the tricks simply don't work. Some people are going to be more physically capable of gaming the testing strategy than others, but it's not easy. A good operator will not only read attempts to cheat but adjust their questioning to account for it. Typically the test is used to determine deception rather than out the lies, which can then be used to augment future interrogations. Consider it circumstantial evidence, but evidence none-the-less.
Dave I @Jack, I just hate when it is used in either extreme. It is not 100% reliable, however it generally is. So seeing it given God-like trust as if it has never been beatin, or easily beaten by the cool-headed villain/hero/whomever, both sort of bother me.
December 12, 2012 at 12:58PM ESTThat said, I thought it was used pretty aptly in this episode. It worked in the scene with Saul, and it gave us "the Bear" line of dialogue. It did not seem overdone in any way to me, just used very methodical as a tool. That is just my take though.
-Cheers
Dan
December 10, 2012 at 1:25AM EST Reply to CommentThe only way I'll be okay with the direction things have gone is if we find out that Brody really was in on Carrie's kidnapping, and it was all a ploy to make her complicit in the assassination and to cover up Brody's involvement so that he can continue operating as a terrorist after Nazir's death. I think this is still plausible
joel Except for the part where Estes and Quinn still intend to do the honorable Senator much physical harm. I can see them writing Brody an outcome where he's no longer due to die at Quinn's hands but it's going to likely be fairly disappointing.
December 10, 2012 at 5:30PM ESTmgrabois
December 10, 2012 at 1:26AM EST Reply to CommentThis was called "In Memoriam"? My DirecTV listing called it "Mothers... With Turbans" for some reason.
mgrabois Oops, missed your closing comment.
December 10, 2012 at 1:30AM ESTSo is this going to have a Season 3? I'm having a hard time figuring out how and with who.
bitchstolemyremote It's still called "Motherf*cker..." on Showtime's website
December 10, 2012 at 2:05AM ESTbitchstolemyremote It's still called "Motherf*cker..." on Showtime's website
December 10, 2012 at 2:05AM ESTMiles I'm curious about what prompted this. Did Showtime think having "fuck" in the title of an episode would affect providers' willingness to put it in the description? Or bring up complications with Netflix later? Or did they at one point have Nazir wearing a turban and then realized that was stupid?
December 10, 2012 at 12:25PM ESTDonGately "Mothers With Turbans", coming this fall to A&E.
December 10, 2012 at 2:22PM ESTZombie Doakes "Did Showtime think having "fuck" in the title of an episode would affect providers' willingness to put it in the description?"
December 11, 2012 at 5:40AM ESTI doubt that's it, given that next week's Dexter finale also has the same word in its title.
GWEN OREL There was a hit Broadway show called the Motherf*cker with a Hat. Obviously, only New Yorkers and theatre people get that, given that not one person on the site seems to recognize the allusion, so Showtime was right to change it.
December 13, 2012 at 2:19AM ESTBHell
December 10, 2012 at 1:29AM EST Reply to CommentI think this show is very good for the most part. But recently, it has just become to much "like what is going to happen next" type television. The show was really a great show for one season, but sometimes shows need to take chances or change directions. When watching the Wire you never knew who was going to be killed or how they were going to be killed. Homeland needs to deliver on some level to that affect. There needs to be consequences to the main characters to make the threats feel real. We all knew that Abu Nazir was going to die it just was a matter of how. Brody should not be living at this point or at least he shouldn't be on the show, they need to understand this and not turn it in to 24 or Dexter where they just keep coming back every season.
As an avid Dexter viewer, its just annoying knowing that at least for now he won't be caught because they have another season, unless they decide to put him in jail and he becomes a jail house serial killer. Same goes for Homeland, take some chances, it might pay off.
Jim SHUT UP ABOUT 24!!!
December 10, 2012 at 3:33PM EST24 WON the Drama Series Emmy for its 5th season after 120 episodes. (it was nominated for first 4) Only The Sopranos has won that late during this Millennium.
Homeland could only DREAM of this! Many series have a good first season and then suck. Remember Heroes? If 24 stopped after 5 seasons, like Breaking Bad, it would be considered one of the greatest shows ever made by critics and audiences. It's amazing how a bad season very late in a shows run can ruin its reputation. A bad 2nd season, after only 24 episodes, is more deserving of criticism.
DonVas 24 was a great series. Well at least some of its seasons were.
December 10, 2012 at 5:33PM ESTThe possibility of Homeland turning to 24 is not that great. At all.
John Thanks, Jim. I completely agree. 24 is like one of those all-time great athletes (someone like Brett Favre) who stayed for a few seasons longer than it should have, so now people are having a hard time remembering just how great the show was in the first place. But it's the best action show ever, as well as one of the 10 best dramas in the history of television.
December 10, 2012 at 5:58PM ESTmadmeme 24 was reactionary, jingoistic, and cringe-inducing - that said, it was mildly entertaining as farce. The only truly interesting thing about it was the premise that it was 'real time' - which the writers constantly ignored in order to keep piling on evermore ridiculous plot points.
December 10, 2012 at 9:43PM ESTsepinwall Sigh. Had to delete several comments in this thread for violating rule #1 around this blog: TALK ABOUT THE SHOW, NOT EACH OTHER.
December 11, 2012 at 5:51PM ESTmadmeme Sorry, Alan. My apologies for the last one.
December 11, 2012 at 6:05PM ESTLisa
December 10, 2012 at 1:30AM EST Reply to Commentin an interview, Morena B said the finale is "heartbreaking." That leads me to believe a main character dies- Brody, Carrie or even her accidentally. An interesting twist would be if Dana ended up killing herself because of all of the stuff thats gone on. The one thing for sure, its never a sure guess with this show.
AJ uhhh... Carrie's not dying.
December 10, 2012 at 1:58AM ESTJamie I don't think Dana's going to kill herself...I think Brodie is.
December 10, 2012 at 8:13AM ESTamylavi Neither is Brody. I'm not sure why folks want to speculate that the writers would actually write off the two leads. When has that happened in season 2 of a hit show?
December 10, 2012 at 9:23AM ESTJared K Honestly, I think that this show really needs to shake up the cast if it wants to keep things both fresh and even vaguely plausible. I agree that Carrie and Saul are safe, but everyone else is and should be on the table - Brody in particular. The degree to which the writers will have to contort logic in order to keep Brody alive and active within the show's world of Intelligence seems truly improbable to pull off. Then again, after these past two weeks, I probably shouldn't be doubting the writer's ability to contort logic.
December 10, 2012 at 10:25AM ESTIf Brody dies (and I have no idea whether or not he will), then Jessica, Dana, Chris, and Mike no longer have any place on the show (maybe the writers would check in every so often, but they definitely wouldn't be regulars). Hell, even if he LIVES, they probably need to be written out - I really don't see a way that the show can successfully work a counterintelligence/terrorism storyline while also jetting off to Northern Virginia every episode to see how Jessica and Mike are doing playing house. Maybe terrorists take over Chris's karate dojo and brainwash the kids to become sleeper assassins? That would keep everybody involved, and totally justify Chris's presence on the show for the past two years. Also, I would not watch (Wait, that's a lie - I totally would. The show would instantly become a top 5 comedy).
In all seriousness, if I had to bet, I would predict that Homeland enters next year with only Carrie, Saul, Estes, and Virgil returning from the main cast (Quinn may stick around as well). And I think that it would probably be for the best. Damien Lewis is a fantastic actor, and would be it would be a big loss for the show. But the show has often gone wrong putting plot ahead of character this year, to take it to the other extreme and sacrifice forward progress for the sake of keeping a character around past their due date would be just as damaging.
ds Quinn shoots, misses Brody, hits Jessica, kills her, Brody goes into witness protection with the kiddies=Heartbreaking.
December 10, 2012 at 10:52AM ESTLisa I was on edge all during Brody and Jess's conversation in the car. It felt so much like the prelude to a bullet. I'm surprised Brody made it to Carrie's alive.
December 10, 2012 at 11:00AM ESTMiles @DS: Kind of hard for a public figure to go into witness protection, no? He was the top candidate to be Vice President of the United States, I think people would notice him going as Rusty Shackleford and living in Iowa.
December 10, 2012 at 12:29PM ESTThad @amylavi
December 10, 2012 at 12:58PM ESTAt the risk of getting too spoilery, that very thing happened last year in the second season of another premium cable show.
ds @Miles, at least the Homeland writers and producers don't seem to have a problem with such lapses in logic.
December 10, 2012 at 4:59PM ESTjoel @AmyLavi: Yes, it has, on a popular currently-running series, but I won't spoil it for you by being any more specific.
December 10, 2012 at 5:34PM ESTbob Chris breaks his hand in a karate tournament. He can't play Xbox for 8 weeks.
December 10, 2012 at 5:49PM ESTWillie Lee I'm betting Quinn's bullet hits either Mike (keeping the family in it and forcing them to "reconcile", breaking up Brody and Carrie and keeping the investigating Marines in it) or Dana (giving some "pay off" for her whole extended story line this year and also bringing the family back together).
December 10, 2012 at 8:16PM ESTSandy Duncan "I'm not sure why folks want to speculate that the writers would actually write off the two leads. When has that happened in season 2 of a hit show?"
December 11, 2012 at 6:47AM ESTHow about a little show called Valerie's Family?!?!? Smart-ass.
Dave I Pure speculation, however if the finale is a heart breaker there are a couple possibilities.
December 11, 2012 at 11:25AM ESTFirst, someone could die. Nicholas Brody makes sense since, well, Estes told Quinn to kill him. Considering what that would do to his family, much less Carrie, would be huge. I could also see them doing something with Saul, however I am not sure why Morena B. would consider that "heartbreaking" and it would not really seem personal to her a/o her character.
I am kind of thinking something Brody dies, or it is a misdirection and maybe somebody close to the Brody's dies. There could still be sad things even if nobody dies. There would be a lot of emotional baggage if the Brody's found out what Nicholas Brody was actually a part of, or if they find out about his role with the VP and decide to drag his name through the mud with a public announcement/trial. Still, it feels a lot like they are setting up a scenario where Brody gets his second chance and Carrie gets her shot at happiness and a heartbreaker would be for one of them to lose that, most likely by Quinn assassinating Brody. I suppose we just have to wait a week and find out.
-Cheers
Huell Goodman DAVE, My hunch now is that if they were going to kill off Brody they wouldn't have explicitly revealed the Estes/Quinn threat so soon. The conventional move would have been to make us think Brody" is safe now that Nazir's gone and then we'd be "shocked" when he's taken out by Quinn (I can easily imagine the close up as Quinn fires the rifle followed by the silent 24 clock).
December 12, 2012 at 6:21AM ESTThey've so clearly established the threat to Brody that it would be too obvious for him to die. Their unenviable challenge as writers is to find some clever, but not absurd or contrived, way for him to get out of this.
I like your take on the "heartbreak" of Brody's family finding out. We got a preview of that with his reaction to Nazir's death. I think Carrie will come to the heartbreaking decision that exposing and turning Brody in is the only way to save his life. It also may be essential to saving Saul and herself, since they will both be lose ends in the cover up if Brody is murdered.
However, Brody's survival and capture keeps Carrie in danger, since Brody could expose her complicity in the Walden killing.
An extended Brody trial is perfectly plausible and opens up plenty of avenues for rich emotional turmoil between Brody and Carrie and rest of the cast (excepting Chris, of course).
Throw in some new terrorists who fear being exposed during a Brody trial (or maybe Brody turns the trial into a showcase for his renewed Islamist views).
I'm hoping the recent sloppiness is because the show is too busy stumbling forward to its next game-changer.
Dave I @Huell, could be. I sort of thought we were going to see Brody shot when he was in the car talking to Jessica, or just after (I can see Quinn being humane enough to not want to put Jessica through watching her husband (estranged or otherwise) have his head a/o chest explode with her right there in the car with him. Still, with that long shot of him in the car sitting stationary I thought that would have been a a good way to take him out for sheer impact it would have on the audience.
December 12, 2012 at 10:40AM ESTI do not believe Brody would expose Carrie. He loves her and right now she is the only person who completely loves, understands, or even seems fully supportive of him. Nobody else truly knows everything about him except the people in the CIA, and they are not exactly close to him (e.g. Quinn stabbed and almost assassinated him, Estes is actively ordering his death, etc.). I think Brody & Carrie are genuinely in love and after all they have been through, to be with each other, they have to care for each other deeply. I think Brody would die or go to jail for life before turning on Carrie. After all she has done for him when nobody else would do anything close, he should. His fate is the main unresolved issue in the show, other than the next antagonist or situation to drive the show forward.
I am honestly not sure what is coming next. I am half excited that things are interesting, half annoyed by aforementioned sloppiness. O.k., maybe 60/40. This show just needs to take its time and look more toward The Wire and less toward 24 from the sounds of it (never got into 24 for some reason, probably due to grad school or something). As much as it is exciting they are doing some unpredictable things, I believe it is more important to plot a good course, do it, and do it well. The twists only work when there is a good-to-great payoff.
There has to be some sort of threat, and it has to warrant the cast involved. How they are going to do that with Carrie no longer gainfully employed with the CIA and no real reason to be there, Brody being dead man walking as of now, Saul being in a hole, and Virgil & Max being one of the few plausible ways I can see Carrie being involved in the espionage thing (not that plausibility has ever stopped this show, but still). Unless they did something like season two of The Wire shifting the focus (not the worst idea to be frank, although I do not see them doing that or pulling it off unless they are really careful) and slowly building the world of Homeland to draw in our old favorites, I am really not sure where they are going with this.
Still, they have my interest.
-Cheers
Miles @Dave I:
December 12, 2012 at 12:32PM EST"(I can see Quinn being humane enough to not want to put Jessica through watching her husband (estranged or otherwise) have his head a/o chest explode with her right there in the car with him."
Actually, one of the only ways a Brody assassination would work is to have witnesses. It does them no good if Brody is just shot, unexplained. Estes told Quinn, "Make it look like (terrorist) blowback from the Nazir death." Because the episode was titled "The Motherfucker with a Turban,", I pictured Quinn dressed conspicuously as a middle eastern man to carry out the hit and let Jessica be the witness for the press.
Dave I @Miles, I'm not sure there would have to be witnesses or not. I do not see why they cannot shoot him, leave some shells from an AK or the like lying around, then just spin it to the news that they suspect it was blowback from some of Nazir's people.
December 12, 2012 at 1:01PM ESTEither way, I think it would be a lot harder for Quinn to do it in front of Brody's family, or Carrie. For that matter, it has to be harder for him to do this knowing Carrie loves him since he seems to have grown to respect and like her enough for it to bother him.
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Sparks
December 10, 2012 at 1:31AM EST Reply to CommentThey always work in pairs huh? More like 1 goes with the unarmed Analyst while the 7 others have tea.
You are better than this Homeland.
Joe Seriously... I can let a lot of stuff go that was just ridiculous. He couldn't call the rest of the team over before investigating the hidden room? Gimme a break.
December 10, 2012 at 3:54AM ESTds Yup, worthy of Wesley Crusher, no less.
December 10, 2012 at 10:53AM ESTThe Bear Remember, she's not even an analyst! She has no authority whatsoever!
December 11, 2012 at 6:49AM ESTDave I The Bear (great handle by the way), you're partially right. She's a Visitor! It says so on her badge. Apparently that gives her a ton of power (I am questionable on the authority part). SWAT teams and high-ranking government officials take orders directly from her. Therein lies the proof. Visitor > Commanding Officer.
December 11, 2012 at 11:27AM EST-Cheers
Hollywoodaholic Danger, Will Robinson!
December 11, 2012 at 12:30PM ESTKen Scott (www.theeitest.com
December 10, 2012 at 1:32AM EST Reply to CommentThe best part of the episode was the Brody-Jess conversation if only because it was a conversation that should have taken place a long time ago. When he was giving that monologue in the car it kind of felt like a suicide speech but I guess what was being killed was their marriage.
Assuming we aren't getting a happily ever after scenario where Brody and Carrie move on to some romantic island, I dont see any other way but Brody taking his own life. He has no other reason to live right now, other than Carrie, and that cant happen.
And Alan, about Galvez, perfect reason why you shouldn't watch spoilers. After last week's episode they played that part up like it was going to be a major scene. Obviously, we were duped. But a better show (similar to the Mad Men scene with Peggy and Dawn with the pocketbook) we deserve that confrontation where she has to speak with Galvez after accusing him of turning solely because he is muslim.
Dave I I do not see Brody, the devout God/Allah-fearing Muslim, killing himself. Besides, he has a new girlfriend (sort of), a family he still loves even if things are totally awkward, and Black Ops "Quinn" after him. If he dies, it will probably not be by his own hand since he actually has a lot to live for. I mean the guy did not kill himself after all he's been through, why do it now when the pressure is seemingly off of him.
December 11, 2012 at 11:53AM ESTI suspect we will see a confrontation between Carrie and Galvez. If nothing else, that is actually the sort of thing this show tends to get right. Besides, Galvez was under consideration because he was Muslim, AND they were grasping at straws, he happened to leave for the hospital under weird circumstances, whomever he told did not get word back to Carrie, and he kept running guiltily when he was chased by his own people. I am not sure why he kept running after that. It was very reminiscent of O.J. and the white Bronco.
As for the spoilers, I'm not sure one needed to watch the spoilers (guessing you mean the previews). Alan talks like he does not watch them. Either way, they totally set it up within the episode as if A) Galvez was the mole or B) Galvez was a red herring made possible by them being desperate and following the lead of Carrie after all the crazy stuff she had been through to capture the most wanted terrorist since Osama bin Laden.
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Jeremy So does that mean Muslim suicide bombers don't fear Allah?
December 11, 2012 at 3:12PM ESTDave I @Jeremy, they die thinking they are doing Allah's bidding. In their (admittedly skewed) view, they are dying while doing His will and therefore go straight to Heaven. To just kill yourself in a more standard way is not really sanctioned by any of the major religions. There may be some exceptions, but generally speaking non-ritual suicide is frowned upon by the major religions.
December 11, 2012 at 5:51PM EST-Cheers
Shawm Mahone
December 10, 2012 at 1:38AM EST Reply to CommentLets find Nazir but only take one FBI agent with me! The most dangerous terrorist in the Homeland universe and we shall only have 2 people at the time in the tunnels looking for him....hmmm....not good, really really not good.
I am with you Alan, this show has veered into the stupid zone and is now in a tail spin so severe I do not know how they will fix it. They should really have either killed Brody last year or just slowed down the plot and just concentrated on character arcs. I just have a feeling that this is a Showtime thing, they probably said that we want ratings up a bit more and so lets just try and make everything crazy!
Dexter has suffered this fate and so has Homeland, aye! I do not know what they have planned for season 3 but lets just say I am now very skeptacle of what they do considering how badly they screwed a lot of this season up.
Pam Gearhart I think (hope) the writers had something in mind in case they were renewed for a third season. It wouldn't surprise me if it had something to do with the VP, Iran, and the bunker busters. It's not logical for the CIA to let Brody get so close to the VP, knowing who he was. Maybe they wanted the VP dead?
December 10, 2012 at 1:41AM ESTShawn Mahone My guess for next week is that Estes dies, Quinn just disappears because he has no real stake in this side show of an operation, Saul takes over after Estes is gotten rid of and some how Brody continues his political career and survives into the next season.
December 10, 2012 at 1:45AM ESTjenny Shawn, that is pretty brilliant. I'd vote for that, I'm sick of Estes, want Brody in next season, and it's a great solution to the whole Saul issue.
December 10, 2012 at 3:50AM ESTJason Regan Shawn a friend of mine had a conversation a couple of weeks ago with David Harewood who was talking about potentially 7 seasons. That could have been him speculating of course, but the fact that he was the one saying it would suggest that Estes will be back next season.
December 10, 2012 at 10:31AM ESTTavernWench Well, the President needs a Veep, doesn't he? Why not Brody?
December 10, 2012 at 12:05PM ESTjphovercraft
December 10, 2012 at 1:41AM EST Reply to CommentI was totally with it until Carrie did the job of like a hundred SWAT teams and then out-muscled Abu Nazir immediately after he'd slit the throat of a large man. Might I add that Carrie weighs like 90 pounds, hadn't slept in two days and has a diet that consists of Chinese takeout, her father's sandwiches and vegetarian lasagna. Oh, and she'd been in a car wreck less than two days ago. That was really the best they could think of? I hope the writers do some serious soul-searching before season 3 starts.
JerseyRudy The only thing that makes sense is that Nazir wanted Carrie to survive (clearly he could have killed her if he wanted to). The plan Nazir and Brody hatched must have involved Carrie staying alive and trusting Brody enough to give him access to one final high-value attack. I am not saying that will happen (at this point I would not be surprised if this season proves to be an utter failure) but that is the only scenario that would make some sense of the last few episodes.
December 10, 2012 at 1:48AM ESTS I'm starting to think she did reinvent music
December 10, 2012 at 6:38AM ESTds At least she remembered her meds. Yeesh. Small comfort in an episode that was so many shades of incredible, and not in a good way.
December 10, 2012 at 10:55AM ESTjudithcooper
December 10, 2012 at 1:44AM EST Reply to CommentThe episode is still called Mother ***With A Turban on the Showtime Website, on my cable guide and on IMDB.
WaltEagle
December 10, 2012 at 1:49AM EST Reply to CommentYou always say that about The Sopranos season finales, but I don't see it. While they had some great and eventful penultimate episodes (three containing major deaths), the FINALES of seasons 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 all dealt with taking care of (mostly killing) major antagonists/problem characters of the season, and the season 4 finale was undoubtedly also the major event of the season, at least far moreso than "Eloise".
Jason22
December 10, 2012 at 1:51AM EST Reply to CommentThey like this
berkowit28 Do they? Isn't that fascinating!
December 10, 2012 at 7:16PM ESTEAS
December 10, 2012 at 1:56AM EST Reply to CommentThis show started out dealing with terrorism, prisoners of war returning from home, and mental illness. Now, its just another trite love story in which the backdrop happens to be the CIA. The minute they decided to make Carrie and Brody's personal relationship the center of the show was the beginning of the end. Can it really be that difficult to write episodic television with a male and female lead without them having a romantic relationship?
Alan S Well, in the context of psychological interplay between terrorist and agent the relationship between Carrie and Brody actually makes thematic sense. (As did the Stockholm Syndrom "bromance" between Brody and Nazir, come to think of it.) Much more sense than a rural two-lane Route 50 east of Chantilly, for sure.
December 10, 2012 at 11:52AM ESTStan This. 100X. I keep thinking of the Naked Gun movie (can't remember which one) at the Oscars, and all the movies nominated are these trite love stories/personal growth stories set against major historical events like the Holocaust and what-not.
December 10, 2012 at 11:52AM ESTIt was funny as a spoof in Naked Gun, it's stupid that a show is actually doing this in the real world.
JEFF P
December 10, 2012 at 2:00AM EST Reply to CommentDid I miss something, or was there an actual moment when Estes told Quinn NOT to let Carrie interrogate Roya, followed by a scene of Carrie just waltzing on in and interrogating Roya? I swear, this show has been taking stupid pills the last two weeks.
Chris M I think this could be a sign of Quinn ignoring Estes order to kill Brody. We'll see, since I doubt the show forgot that Estes scene, it's deliberate with Quinn ignoring his orders for whatever reason. Maybe he knows Estes time is short in the department? Just a guess.
December 10, 2012 at 2:31AM ESTmgrabois Estes did tell Quinn not to let Carrie interrogate Roya, but Carrie saw Roya go into the interrogation room and she took it upon herself to start questioning Roya. That's why when Quinn walked in and saw the two women, he said "Shit!"
December 10, 2012 at 4:43AM ESTHank Scorpio Along with Chris M, I'm wondering where Quinn's allegiance is at this point. he seems to respect Carrie, at least, and possibly feels conflicted about his task to eliminate Brody.
December 10, 2012 at 2:58PM ESTsjgmoney Yeah because a high level terrorist subject would be in a room where just anybody could walk in. The episode ended at 10:50, at least at the decency to concoct a 45 second scene where Carrie begs Quinn to let her talk to Roya for christ's sake. Lazy writing.
December 10, 2012 at 4:33PM ESTDave I Yeah, what MGrabois said.
December 11, 2012 at 1:24PM ESTWhat I took away from that was that security ain't what it used to be. They just let a person with a volunteer badge and a familiar face waltz in and start interrogating suspects in a terrorist investigation?
@Hank, I think Quinn respects Carrie. I think that is why he did not stop Carrie from continuing the interrogation (the damage had already been done). However, I do not think he is defying orders just yet. We ARE seeing a bit of Quinn's personality and he seems to have doubts about his mission creeping in. He did note they had a deal. However, I think any change in plan would have to come from Dar Adal, which might have to come from Saul if he has any favors to cash in. Still, I do not see a Black Ops specialist just ignoring direct orders to take out a terrorist. It is possible, however I think we need a pretty strong catalyst for them to go down that road. Believably, at least.
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Ellen M.
December 10, 2012 at 2:00AM EST Reply to CommentThis episode was better than some of the most recent ones but I couldn't ignore all the implausible scenarios once again. Carrie - not given any medical attention after her escape from Nazir; going back again by herself and almost getting killed a second time, etc. Also, as good as the scene with Roya was - why would a traumatized Carrie be the right person to interview her?
I too was disappointed that before they knocked him off, they turned the great spy master Nazir into some kind of thug. It will be interesting to see where they go without his presence next season. I will miss it.
Brody's reaction to Nazir's death in front of his family did appear uncontrolled. Everyone seeing him so visibly upset was quite awkward and they clearly didn't understand it.
Great scene between Jessica and Brody - finally some honesty -if too late. Morena Baccarin was great there. It's the nbest thing I've seen her n this season.
It seemed a bit patronizing when Brody showed up at Carrie's doorstep and told her it wasn't a close choice between her life or Walden's. We pretty much know he wanted Walden to die and told him so. So, is he lying about a lot more? Probably.
I can't imagine this show without Damian Lewis. There is a great balance between these two leads and if either one goes - the show will be something completely different. Quinn seemed a little ill at was that Estes wanted him take out Brody. Could mean something else is going on.
I agree, no contest between Saul and Estes. Estes over played his hand there. Maybe he'll be the one Quinn eventually takes out.
Oh, and I don't think Carrie will be getting a Christmas card from Galvez (aside from the fact that he's a Muslim anyway).
amanners Didn't they try the shadow anti-terror group with Bill Buchanan, Chloe, and Tony on 24 one season?
December 10, 2012 at 2:05AM ESTJohn Yeah, that was Season 7, which was actually a lot better than the disastrous Season 6 and the disappointing eighth season.
December 10, 2012 at 6:02PM ESTJbagels
December 10, 2012 at 2:02AM EST Reply to CommentIt was also called MF with a turban on my cable as well. Sounds like a joke title they were using and then thought better of it since I don't remember anyone saying that line tonight.
While the Nazir as Michael Myers stuff was goofy it was exceptionally shot and I'll admit kept me on edge.
bitchstolemyremote
December 10, 2012 at 2:04AM EST Reply to CommentQuite liked it - in particular the scene between Jess and Brody where they finally acknowledged they never really got it back together. The scene with Roya, on the other hand, didn't work as well because it seemed dumb of Carrie not to know that Roya wouldn't crack over some quickie empathetic sob-story.
The acting continues to be cracker jack, though. Think Brody is a goner next week - they've removed everything between him and Carrie, which means this can't end well.
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alisonbrie
December 10, 2012 at 2:06AM EST Reply to CommentAnother dumb episode.
I'm really disappointed in this season. Even if they have some master plan where Brody was playing Carrie all along, and has taken up being the new Nazir - the writers have leaned too heavily on really stupid situations to set it up.
For instance:
Why was Carrie only escorted by ONE soldier? How did they really not find Nazir in that tunnel, given how the technology they have, and the kind of trained soldiers at their disposal? Are they REALLY going to have Carrie figure out Nazir is still there, based on her saying he will never run from anyone? lol come on.
The entire scene was just so silly and dumb. I know there is a case of being too nit picky. At the end of the day, TV shows are..fiction. And of course not everything is going to be realistic. But I feel like when a show relies so heavily on the unrealistic to justify the plot, then it becomes an issue.
Speaking of Brody being the master plan all along, I would take some serious issue with this. For instance, why would Brody act in character when no one is around? Like when Nazir had Carrie, and he was walking in the hotel with no one around and he was flipping out. Meh.
Ellen M. "But I feel like when a show relies so heavily on the unrealistic to justify the plot, then it becomes an issue."
December 10, 2012 at 2:37AM ESTIt's more than an issue for me- it's also really annoying. Whenever I watch something like Homeland, I want to enjoy the fantasy of being in that world. Every time one of these bad plot devices pops up - it jars me out of that world because I can't get my mind off of something silly or something that doesn't make sense. Good thing these guys aren't really fighting terrorists. We'd be in a lot of trouble.
D4P
December 10, 2012 at 2:08AM EST Reply to CommentIf "wanting to kill Walden for the drone strike" was the reason Brody became a "terrorist" in the first place, why would anyone think that he would continue doing terroristy things now that Walden is dead...?
JoJo Whitebread He became a terrorist because Nazir brainwashed him. The drone strike was the catalyst, maybe, but it wasn't THE reason.
December 10, 2012 at 2:54AM ESTOnly way the finale can salvage the last half of the season, for me, is if Brody attempts to pull some sort of terrorist act. Others on here have pointed out a few instances of Brody's actions that would seems to be inconsistent with my theory/hope for the finale, but since when has this show cared about being consistent?
God, does anyone else on here remember how excited they were for each episode last season? How the show sucked us in in the first five minutes and wouldn't let go? It's a totally different experience now, and that's disappointing.
jenny Estes wants to take him out because he knows about the drone strike and cover-up...remember Saul confronted him about that.
December 10, 2012 at 3:57AM ESTDaniel Brody knows about the drone strike . . . but so what? He can't prove anyway, and his only evidence requires him admitting he is a terrorist and/or knew Nazir.
December 10, 2012 at 8:23AM ESTBesides, who in the US really cares if the off drone strike lands in a madrassa? I mean, Nazir was metres away from the strike anyway, so they can just say it was a near miss, and a regretful incident.
Also, Brody seems to have stopped saying his daily prayers. And where's his new Quran? This show has entered too many 24-type plot malfunctions.
alisonbrie
December 10, 2012 at 2:08AM EST Reply to CommentAnother dumb episode. This season has been a real let down.
alisonbrie Double post, my apologies. Would delete if I could.
December 10, 2012 at 2:09AM ESTstop pulling my leg Too busy watching "American Dad" to notice.
December 10, 2012 at 3:00AM ESTS
December 10, 2012 at 2:10AM EST Reply to CommentI still am not sure why Nazir came to the US in the first place. Was it the opportunity to live like a homeless guy in an abandoned mill? The plot didn't require him to be in the States. Meanwhile, I still think Carrie is working for the CIA on a volunteer basis like Kramer did for Brand Leland. I think the guy who looks like a young JT Dolan is toast next ep.
Greg Grant
December 10, 2012 at 2:16AM EST Reply to Comment"We just went along — one thing to the next. I think maybe this is a time to stop and think." No, Jessica. Lets not. The more we think, the more dumb mistakes we spot. This show is best enjoyed as one giant crazy ride of good acting, and terrible, terrible plot holes.
And as another poster pointed out - "Quinn, make sure Carrie does not interrogate Roya. I'm off to try my Black Guy from 24/Unit/All state commercials impersonations." -"Yes, sir. Carrie will not get past me. What the...? She's like a ninja!"
As soon as Carrie said, "Well, he is a Muslim." You just had to know Galvez would turn out to be innocent, to teach us all an important lesson about jumping to conclusions. Gah. This show.
The only thing more frustrating than "Homeland" is "Assassin's Creed III." For every (one or two) stupid thing(s) that make you shake your head, there's something wonderful that makes you want to watch more. And this episode gave me Chris almost telling Dana to shut her facial tick hoodie wearing pie hole, Saul vs. Estes in a glare off, Jess vs. Brodie, Nice Guy Polygraph Man, Carrie's cry/bug face as she realizes Nazir is dead, and the music strings that kept telling that Brodie might get shot at any moment in the last five minutes of the episode.
Homeland, please try to be better. Please.
Daniel Well, why did Galvez vanish from an operation for medical reasons without telling anyone, when they had a med team there anyway?
December 10, 2012 at 8:28AM ESTHomeland can't do any better, Greg, they entered a plot death spiral episodes ago.
carpediva "Yes, sir. Carrie will not get past me. What the...? She's like a ninja!"
December 11, 2012 at 5:07AM ESTHahahahahahaha, THIS!
Your whole comment, actually. Kudos.
felsster
December 10, 2012 at 2:47AM EST Reply to CommentI thought this episode was a slight improvement from last week's pooch screw. The problem is that my BS radar is set to "high" after last week, that I immediately got upset when Carrie drives back to the plant and sees the fake wall that three TRAINED RECOVERY MILITARY teams couldn't....I mean come on.
I think Mandy Patinkin is the one who bites it next week. Just a SWAG. I hope it's Dana, she's driving me up a tree.
Slam You go to the store and buy non-organic milk for a teenage girl ? Someone must die
December 10, 2012 at 1:13PM ESThorsemedic
December 10, 2012 at 3:28AM EST Reply to CommentAnyone else notice the creepiness of Brody's last scene, telling Carrie he had to choose between her and the VP? I can't really believe he'll turn out to have been playing her this whole time, but this season's taken less plausible turns.
EdithKeeler
December 10, 2012 at 3:35AM EST Reply to CommentOn the upside "Do you people refer to you as The Bear?" "I fucking hope not." was the best 3 seconds on television in 2012, probably.
allie Love this too. Too bad Homeland's not supposed to be a comedy.
December 10, 2012 at 1:26PM ESTChester Yeah, that was pretty great.
December 10, 2012 at 11:56PM ESTLee
December 10, 2012 at 4:00AM EST Reply to CommentDuring Roya's interrogation, I was half-expecting her to bite her tongue off. Way to commit, Roya!
Brendan Noel
December 10, 2012 at 4:06AM EST Reply to CommentDamn. I was secretly hoping the climax of this episode would be the untimely death of Mike, just so the season finale could be told entirely from the perspective of a mourning Chris Brody. Just as a big "f*** you" to the audience. I worry that a week from now, I'll have wished I watched that instead of the actual finale. Don't screw this up, Gordon/Gansa!
Guest
December 10, 2012 at 4:09AM EST Reply to CommentOne thing I couldn't get past was how nobody in the CIA seemed overly concerned that Brody - a man who at one time had a suicide vest strapped to his chest and tried to kill Walden - was alone with the VP when he had his heart attack.
madmeme Yes, just one more thing in a litany of them. Terrible. This show has gone off the rails.
December 10, 2012 at 9:46PM ESTKC Thank you! I was saying the same thing. The VP dies, and Estes isn't at all concerned that Brody was with him! Come on!
December 10, 2012 at 11:58PM ESTBiggamer3
December 10, 2012 at 4:09AM EST Reply to Commentnever seen a show spiral out of control quicker than Homeland. Dexter was solid for a few years before the tailspin, same for Sopranos and Oz.
I literally lol'd when Chris ran to the TV to play the game; after all the jokes on Chris from the media, couldn't they have edited these snips out of the episodes?
Saul thing makes no sense at all, they are trying to tie him to the murder of the prison chick, but Saul has the biggest freaking trump card ever! He knows about the DRONES, why the f didnt he bring it up to have some real leverage on Estes?
and they make the CIA into a gov't agency that doesnt have to follow the constitution, if Saul wanted he could have had an attorney present within the day or demand to be released.
Carrie finding the hidden tunnel really made this show into 24. And I love how only one person was left from the search team at the exact moment they found the passageway and the radio conspicuously wasnt working anymore. Then right after Nazir is abouuuut to kill Carrie, a whole squad come running in....but they were never called on the radio and they didnt hear Carrie's screams, so why exactly did they come running in like someone called them?
I dont mean to nitpick but the show has clearly reached the end of whatever creative prowess was heaped on it and its just a run of the mill show from now on.
Trev Isn't it basic law enforcement technology to have heat sensors or whatever they are called? As if they wouldn't have scanned the premises and found everything with a pulse. Pff.
December 10, 2012 at 4:35AM ESTBill DOGS! Why no dogs!?
December 10, 2012 at 8:02AM ESTSlam Nazir slits the throat of the trained FBI search guy in a split-second; and when he gets Carrie, he sort of punches her, and pushes her on the ground ... Sheesh
December 10, 2012 at 1:17PM ESTsjgmoney Why would they have dogs or heat sensors, it's not like they were looking for a high level target or anything.
December 10, 2012 at 4:36PM ESTAshley
December 10, 2012 at 4:29AM EST Reply to CommentMagnificent beard and beautiful singing voice indeed! Just don't forget about his stellar onscreen sword-fighting skills!
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