Review: 'Homeland' - 'I'll Fly Away': Under pressure
Brody struggles with the weight of too many lies
Damian Lewis as Brody on "Homeland."
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"You think I really care what happens to me anymore?" -Brody
Abu Nazir spent eight years breaking Nicholas Brody down and putting him back together as someone else. Carrie Mathison spent a day trying to reverse that process. But at this point, it feels more like a Humpty Dumpty situation. All of Nazir's horses and all of Carrie's love can never really put Brody together again. And "I'll Fly Away" deals with the realities of that. Even if he's 100 percent on the CIA's side now — which he isn't, and the arrival of a clean-shaven Nazir in the episode's closing scene should complicate his loyalties further — he's not in the kind of emotional shape to be an effective triple-agent. He's been lying for too long, to too many people, and he's started to see the fallout of those lies in the way that his wife and daughter look at him.(*) This is, as Carrie and Quinn and Saul have said all along, a desperation play, and one that starts to badly unravel throughout this episode.
(*) Chris, though? He's too busy with karate lessons to notice, I'm guessing.
While I would still put "Q and A" as Damian Lewis' obvious Emmy submission episode, he's pretty great in this one, as well. Claire Danes is usually the one asked to play the physicality of an emotional break-down, but here Lewis gets to show that he can play that game just as well. Brody is shaky, veering between catatonia and explosive rage, curling back up in corners of the house the way he did right after he came home from captivity, and Lewis captures every bit of the wreck his character has become. Even though he says the right words to Roya on the phone later, it's hard to imagine her trusting him after seeing how he carried himself during their meeting on the park bench.
And Brody's meltdown cues us up for another Carrie/Brody dysfunctional romantic getaway. This one's even more twisted than some of the previous ones, because Carrie knows that she's taken him to a location that Saul will find eventually, and that there's a good chance their sex might be observed or recorded(**). But like their encounter last week in the clearing, this is a situation where the line between Carrie the CIA handler and Carrie the woman in love with Brody is so blurry that it might as well not exist. She has to pull him out of this spiral for the sake of the operation, but she also can't resist an opportunity to be with this man who's been her obsession for so long. Their every encounter at this point works on both levels, and though you can question the percentages in any given scene, both motives are always at play, which adds so much more tension and intrigue to their time together.
(**) Poor Saul. You can see on Mandy Patinkin's face how little Saul wants to hear his protege doing what she's doing in that room.
Once Carrie emotionally duct tapes Brody back into someone functional, "I'll Fly Away" becomes a more straight-forward thriller. And, as has been the case for "Homeland" this season, the plot-y parts tend to be more questionable than the character beats. There's certainly an argument to be made for Quinn not sending in the troops the second Max gets the picture of the head ninja meeting with Roya and Brody — Nazir is planning a major attack on America, and if these two aren't essential players, then they've blown everything — but all I could think throughout this sequence was, "Go grab them, you idiot! This guy led an attack that killed six government agents, and you may never have a better opportunity to grab two of the leaders of this cell!" Again, you can probably justify it, but in the moment it felt more like an excuse to put Brody back in a room with Nazir rather than something Quinn might do.
And yet... I want to see Brody and Nazir together again. I want to see what happens when this version of Brody comes face-to-face with the man who transformed his life, for good or for ill. I want to see if Nazir is able to undo Carrie's reprogramming as quickly as Carrie did his, assuming he even believes that Brody has been turned again. (And if he doesn't, I want to see if just being in Nazir's orbit is enough to change Brody's loyalties.) So I'll forgive a somewhat shaky plot decision if the character place it takes us to is good enough. And we'll see what shape the broken man is in next week, now that Humpty Dumpty is back with the one who pushed him off the wall.
Some other thoughts:
* Brody walking around with his hands tucked deep into his pants pocket did a nice job of evoking how Dana puts her hands in her sleeves whenever she's nervous (which is to say, all the time). Thanks, "SNL"! (On the plus side, while I noticed Damian Lewis not opening his mouth very much, it didn't really distract me.)
* The Dana subplot was more interesting for reconnecting her with Mike — who, chronologically, was a father figure to her about as long as Brody — than in sending her to confess to the dead woman's daughter. To Dana, it's a shock that the Waldens have paid off the family to remain silent, but it's one of those things that was obviously going to happen based on how the Waldens acted last week. I'm wondering if there's more to this story, or if it was just there to set up Brody's meltdown, which in turn put him back with Nazir. Still, good work from Morgan Saylor, and from Morena Baccarin in the scene where Dana tells her mom that she saw Carrie with Brody.
* Why is Brody's car not also wired for sound? Given his importance to the operation, why aren't there 17 surveillance redundancies to every aspect of his life?
Finally, a scheduling note: the later we get in the season, the longer it's taking the episodes to be completed (where a lot of HBO seasons are in the can before a single episode airs, "Homeland" is still in production). So while I'll see next week's episode in advance, it may not be before the holiday, which means I may not have time to have a review done for Sunday night at 11. I'll do my best, but no promises.
What did everybody else think?
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November 19, 2012 at 12:03AM EST Reply to CommentOf all the crazy things this show does, having the Wizards lead the Heat by 5 points might be the craziest.
HarryR LMAO
November 19, 2012 at 12:08AM ESTAnother Guest LOL -- thanks for that.
November 19, 2012 at 12:11AM ESTGoat Redskins over the Dolphins.
November 19, 2012 at 12:37AM ESTideemo No one would be shocked if the Redskins led the Dolphins by 5. Chris was shocked! And that's a pretty weird lead for a football game. Definitely Wizards over Heat.
November 19, 2012 at 1:35AM ESTI have overanalyzed the shit out of one line from this show lol.
Jbagels I was just about to post this exact thing more or less, beat me to it. And it was definitely a basketball game, I heard something about a shot clock violation.
November 19, 2012 at 2:04AM ESTBrobama Announcer made a comment about Dwyane Wade, so definitely the Miami Heat.
November 19, 2012 at 3:38AM ESTChester That's a truly brilliant piece of analysis. Well done.
November 19, 2012 at 4:27AM ESTconrad so you're on reddit, too?
November 19, 2012 at 1:04PM ESTconrad http://www.reddit.com/r/homeland/comments/13fgo2/ill_fly_away/
November 19, 2012 at 1:04PM ESTDave I Maybe the best comment in a long while. Thanks!
November 20, 2012 at 12:16AM EST-Cheers
RD Haha, well played.
November 20, 2012 at 12:43AM ESTJoseph The game probably just started, I'm guessing the score was 10-5 when Chris said that.
November 20, 2012 at 12:19PM ESTSlam
November 19, 2012 at 12:11AM EST Reply to CommentThe motel is so cliche. CIA can't track that helicopter ?
Another Guest CIA seems to consist of 5 people and some free-lancers.
November 19, 2012 at 12:12AM ESTJim The operation is somewhat on the down low if I remember right.
November 19, 2012 at 3:41AM ESTrebecca Where are they supposed to go apart from a hotel or motel?
November 19, 2012 at 4:59AM ESTDarkdoug Compartmentalized operation. Also, how? Did they bring some of the magic CTU computers from "24" that know where every vehicle in the universe is? Unless they have a satellite directly overhead, how can they track a helicopter at night, when they haven't had the chance to wire it up?
November 19, 2012 at 1:30PM ESTEd Helicopters carry a transponder, which emits a "blip" on a radar screen.
November 20, 2012 at 9:12PM ESTYes, you can disable the transponder, but then, instead of looking for a blip on a screen, you're looking for where there isn't a blip (think: a black mark on white paper, and vicey-versey).
Taylor When Saul and Estes first discussed bringing Brody into the mix, they talked about doing it completely off the books. I forget the reason, but this explains the limited resources, and why Carrie's employment status hasn't been discussed.
November 21, 2012 at 12:53AM ESTAdam
November 19, 2012 at 12:14AM EST Reply to CommentI don't know, I thought it made enough sense for them not to act at the clearing. They had two major players in their grips, yeah, but in that kind of split-second decision making, they probably have been trained to always err on the side of caution/restraint. The fact that Carrie continually refuses to play by those kinds of rules is what makes her such an exhilarating character.
Darkdoug Also, Nazir showing up proves the decision right in hindsight. Roya & the Gettysburg guy are NOT the top people in the US running the op.
November 19, 2012 at 1:32PM ESTJoseph Which kind of brings up another issue, and maybe the most outrageous plot point yet - how the hell did Nazir make it into America? Wouldn't that be like Bin Laden managing to cross the American border?
November 20, 2012 at 12:18PM ESTjason Totally Joseph. That was my first thought. how is he in America. Ya this operation is small but finding Nazir was like finding Bin Laden. Who is hunting him down, OJ Simpson? And then he what just drives his buick all around Virgina (or whever they were)??
November 21, 2012 at 2:38AM ESTDan
November 19, 2012 at 12:29AM EST Reply to CommentI really enjoyed the episode. I definitely agreed with Quinn on not picking up the terrorist Ninja and Roya. That would have completely blown their cover--they're trying to stop a major terrorist attack and take down Abu Nazir, they're not trying to arrest some guy for killing agents in the course of that terrorist attack. I was actually yelling at the tv telling Carrie to stay away.
Dan3320 And now Brody is face-to-face with Nazir again. Perhaps Nazir sways Brody back to the terrorist side...but my bet is that sooner or later, Brody checks in and the news that Nazir is IN THE USA will be more than enough justification for letting Roya and the ninja go.
November 19, 2012 at 12:11PM ESTGD Totally agree with this. The whole point in the operation is to find the bigger plot, not to arrest a few guys...
November 19, 2012 at 12:33PM ESTTim
November 19, 2012 at 1:24AM EST Reply to CommentBrody has had more hands up his butt than the Muppets,
Cliff
November 19, 2012 at 1:49AM EST Reply to CommentI might be deaf, but what did Nasir say at the end?, you're lost? Your loss? I couldn't make it out.
Mark I'm pretty sure he said "Nicholas".
November 19, 2012 at 1:57AM ESTjane Ni-co-las...
November 19, 2012 at 2:02AM ESTJared K Todd VanDerWerff pointed out in his review on the AV Club that Abu Nazir, leader of al-Qaeda, is literally the only person on this entire show who regularly addresses Brody by his first name (Jessica, Carrie, Mike etc. all call him Brody, even in private - I think we can count on one hand the number of times during this show that Jessica has called her husband 'Nick'). Just one more small, vaguely amusing sign of how screwed up the good Congressman's life is.
November 19, 2012 at 2:46PM ESTJared K Todd VanDerWerff pointed out in his review on the AV club that Abu Nazir, leader of al-Qaeda, is the only character on this entire show who regularly addresses Brody by his first name. Jessica, Carrie, Mike etc all call him Brody, even in private - I think we can count on one hand the number the times during the life of the show when Jessica has called her husband 'Nick'. Just one more small vaguely amusing sign of how screwed up the good Congressman's life is.
November 19, 2012 at 2:58PM ESTJared K The HitFix commenting system has gotten the better of me for the last time. Damn it all.
November 19, 2012 at 2:59PM ESTChampSkins WOW... didn't even pick up on that. Makes it almost like Nazir is a father figure.
November 20, 2012 at 3:55PM ESTEllen M.
November 19, 2012 at 1:50AM EST Reply to CommentI agree that Damian Lewis' performance in this episode was just as good or better than his performance in Q&A. His character is in a no-win situation and his falling apart makes perfect sense. Increasingly this season I have really enjoyed where they have taken his character and how he portrays these unreal situations.
I still have issues with Carrie's inability to draw more of a professional line with him. I also find myself yelling at the TV as she always has to do the opposite of whatever Quinn and other superior's tell her to do. It's become a cliche at this point. I hope she can start getting her act together again. (I sure felt sorry for Saul as they all listened to the intimate noises from the hotel.) And, what exactly is her position with the CIA again? Still a consultant?
I was initially annoyed at Dana's visit to the hit-and-run victim's house. But I was glad when the daughter told her to keep her mouth shut. Finally, someone told her what this situation really was all about. I know this storyline was used to force some things to the surface with Brody's family (and with Carrie) in order to push him to the edge. But I hope this will be the end of Dana's crusade.
Hard to imagine Nazir getting rid of Brody anytime soon. The fact that he is the likely VP candidate makes him an even more valuable commodity. I'm sure he'll get Brody pieced back together and in his camp again. If anyone knows how to put Humpty Dumpty back together again, it's this guy.
while carrie completely disregards orders, her moxie (?) and guts in disobeying the orders is the only way anything seems to get done. if she had stayed put they wouldn't have seen the helicopter (as clearly). i don't know, though. it's a little annoying the yelling at carrie -- like they expect her to follow any commands. i mean has she ever?
November 19, 2012 at 4:59AM ESTSaul with his heads in his hands was great. i laughed a lot. oy.
the whole Dana storyline is less of a dog than i thought it would be, and i'm liking Morena Baccarin's work more than usual here. though the inevitability of her getting back with flyboy seems like a snooze. the whole family aspect of Brody's life is not very compelling. or fleshed out. oh well.
this show is really treading a very fine line -- and could go off the tracks at any minute. i'm compelled to watch because of the acting of the leads and Mandy P but it's a nail biter. i hope they can sustain this, cause the more plotty stuff is pretty much a powderkeg.....
also wanted to add that i'm not sure if Carrie is in love with Brody. and i sort of doubt he's in love with her either. it seems like they fulfill some twisted need in each other -- and their experiences and understandings of the Middle East (and the virulence of Abu Nazir et al) are the commonalities. but love? is that even in the equation? i don't see that at all. it seems to be a bit of a stretch in your discussion here, Alan.
November 19, 2012 at 5:03AM ESTds It's funny how the writers haven't referenced Carrie's meds in a few episodes now. It would make sense with her constantly refuting Quinn, going against Saul, etc, for her to be teetering on the edge of another manic episode. I find this omission of a basic tenet of Carrie's character and the plotting thus far in both season 1 and 2 to be a bit jarring. I hope they don't try to pull a rabbit out of a hat at the penultimate moment or crisis with Carrie's sister rushing to her side...
November 19, 2012 at 12:34PM ESTAUSpur Erika - I tend to agree with your second comment. Codependency doesn't equal love. These two characters are so screwed up I don't think they're capable of love.
November 19, 2012 at 1:54PM ESTJames Adams Ellen- You and I have been on the same page with Dana. I was initially annoyed too...Dana showed up at the hospital, funeral, and now the daughter's house...I was so happy the daughter ended her crusade as well.
November 19, 2012 at 2:22PM ESTBig Ad Reply to comment...
November 19, 2012 at 2:39PM ESTNat King Kong Agree with Erika that the plot (and staging, in this episode) are wobbly, at best. Two things that really bugged me: Carrie, with her blonde hair glowing in the night, running through a field following Brody and the terrorists, practically in plain sight; and then 2) yelling into her phone at the top of her lungs as the helicopter leaves. I know helicopters are loud, but it seemed that entire scene was kinda shoddily staged.
November 19, 2012 at 7:19PM ESTAlso, I didn't like the hands-in-pockets Brody as much as Alan. To me he just looked really weird walking like that.
emma I agree that Carrie disobeying orders is getting cliche. Although it's part of her instinct as a good agent, it's getting formulaic and expected. Maybe Quinn should start giving her orders to do the opposite of what he wants her to do...
November 21, 2012 at 12:14AM ESTSarah
November 19, 2012 at 2:21AM EST Reply to CommentI was thinking... Is nobody going to notice the congressman's car on the side of a desolate road? Will the CIA move it for him? Is Jessica just totally over where Brody is and what he might be doing? Is nobody trying to get a hold of this insanely busy congressman? It seems people would be trying to reach him. It was funny when Roya told Brody to hide in the car because he is a public figure. Ummm, hello, Roya. You are a newscaster. I love this show so much, but something's are starting to irk me. The sex was inevitable, but seemed to contrived and expected. Carrie going rogue all of the time is starting to become irritating. Sometimes I want to strangle her.
Hank You hit the nail squarely on the head!
November 19, 2012 at 3:14AM ESTJamie THANK YOU. I can't agree with you more about how annoying Carrie's contrarian attitude has become. It's so far beyond self sabotage at this point that it's simply unbearable. I'm not really sure how they can logically allow her to do anything within the operation at this point without handcuffing her to a bolted chair in the headquarters.
November 19, 2012 at 8:15AM ESTDan3320 I just can't relate to people who watch an awesome hour of television like this and come away wondering about Brody's car and his schedule??? Yes, the CIA can obviously move it for him. And Roya and Brody already discussed his "wide open" schedule for that day.
November 19, 2012 at 12:14PM ESTThe Carrie stuff...ok. I can't disagree with you there. BUT...it does make for incredibly intense television!
Henry I'm sure Jessica has been looking for a reason to rekindle her singular sexually driven agenda with her husband's supposed friend. But, is it me, or doesn't the military frown upon such trysts and liaisons? Why hasn't this been brought up? I suppose Carrie alluded to this last week when she confronted Mike. Carrie, likewise is exceedingly annoying being rogue.
November 19, 2012 at 12:28PM ESTSarah I do understand you not understanding my nit-pickyness (sp?). But the thing is I love this show that much that I enjoy wondering all of these things. If they never took care of these details in the first place, that would be one thing. And I know according to CIA enthusiasts they did not always handle the details well, but I'm not that astute to notice all of that. But if I feel it is getting a little sloppy and losing some credibility, I am going to lament. For me, the realistic way that they portrayed an unrealistic situation as an amazing backdrop for the characters to do their amazing thing was important. Back to the details... What if the CIA had not been following him? His car on the side of the road could have real implications for them, unless stuff is happening right now. I think details make a story, and since they are going for realistic, I'm holding them to it. But if I didn't love the show, I wouldn't worry about all this and obsess over it all day!
November 19, 2012 at 12:28PM ESTAndrew Y I'm only halfway through the comments, but the Homeland equivalent to Osama Bin Laden just walks into the US and we just accept this as plausible? The problem with this show is they make the CIA at times seem so incompetent or perhaps CIA-light.... and if this is how inept our intel is then I really would be more concerned over attacks on our soil. While it will make for dramatic TV to see Nazir and Brody face to face, it is just preposterous to think he would come into the US.
November 19, 2012 at 2:40PM ESTNat King Kong Andrew, yes, and the flip side, the show making the terrorists much more powerful/capable/organized than they really are. I mean, how many of them swarm the bomb-maker's shop with automatic weapons and take out an entire CIA operation? They have a helicopter (that can't be traced)? And, as you mentioned, Nazir can come and go in and out of the country as he pleases.
November 19, 2012 at 7:29PM ESTEven when Al Qaida is successful, it's a bunch of guys with box cutters fercryinoutloud. Virtually every single plot/attempt since then -- at least in the U.S. -- has made the Three Stooges look like SMERSH.
illogicalplotting On top of the fact that a couple episodes ago Nazir's operation in America was so undermanned he needed to have a US Senator/war hero/potential US vice presidential candidate drive into a small town to pick up his bomb maker. Cut to a few weeks later and Nazir is in the US chartering mysterious helicopters and commanding a ninja commando team to kill CIA agents.
November 19, 2012 at 8:39PM ESTI want to love you Homeland but you treat me like an idiot.
Andrew Y +1000 to Illogical Plotting.
November 19, 2012 at 9:14PM ESTEd Couldn't Roya move the car? I didn't see her get in to the helicopter?
November 20, 2012 at 9:16PM ESTEd Also, I love your "Carrie is going rogue" line.
November 20, 2012 at 9:17PM ESTReminds me of the SNL sketch:
"When has Carrie ever failed me except for every time?"
Alfa Romeo
November 19, 2012 at 2:22AM EST Reply to CommentIn the light of the real-life CIA stories in the news lately regarding CIA Director Petraeus, Paula Broadwell, Jill Kelley, shirtless FBI guy, Gen. John Allen, countless email contents, etc. I am going to complain a little less about the implausibility of some of the events in Homeland.
HarryR Amen!
November 19, 2012 at 3:27AM ESTguest hah. In SNL's Weekend Update he made a joke about it making Homeland look good.
November 19, 2012 at 5:29AM ESTDezbot Seth Meyers made a joke about that very thing on SNL this weekend.
November 19, 2012 at 12:26PM ESTillogicalplotting Patraeus having a affair that the FBI stumbled upon investigating an email stalker isn't really the same thing, dude.
November 19, 2012 at 8:42PM ESTAlfa Romeo @illogicalplotting: If Homeland had a plot where the top guy of the most sophisticated spy agency in the entire world couldn’t even maintain the secrecy of an affair I would have scoffed at the plot. A chic fight eventually causes the head honcho of a sophisticated spy agency to resign! CIA routinely deals with complex ciphers and encryption techniques to conceal and decipher messages, and yet the director of such an agency employs a shared email account with email messages left in the draft folder as a way to maintain the secrecy of his communications! I would have said these things can only happen in a movie or a TV show…
November 20, 2012 at 2:25AM ESTAlfa Romeo Don't get me wrong; I am still going to complain how preposterous some of the events are in Homeland but just a tad less due to some of the stories unfolding in real life. :)
November 20, 2012 at 4:52PM ESTunclevanya Ever since SNL spoofed Homeland, I find the actors true to how they were portrayed on SNL. Brody's mouth doesn't not move,
November 22, 2012 at 10:43PM ESTSaul deciding Carrie knows what she's doing, as she is breaking the walls in the motel during sex.
Hope someone keeps Brody's new job a secret. Dana is freaking out, she's the next one to know dad is with the CIA. Oh we'll
Greg Grant
November 19, 2012 at 2:24AM EST Reply to CommentI still get annoyed whenever Brody's daughter gets major screen time as she takes away from legitimate gripping drama of an impending terrorist attack to wallow in some contrived (yes, even on a show about a triple agent Marine terrorist) plot device for some wangst. The whole world is getting blown to Hell and gone, and Brody might be killed, but nay, we must surely watch a teenage girl wallow is self-pity and realize that gosh, rich people can get away with bad things. Is she from the suburbs, or Mars? She lived her whole life in DC and she did not realize that a VP can make things disappear?
There's a difference between naive people being exposed to bad things and too stupid to live people living in la-la land. I'm sorry, I feel no sympathy for Dana. And to cut away from Brody's helicopter kidnapping just to show her hugging her mom and crying... I can get that on any other show with a Very Special Episode. This is not what I want out of "Homeland." But to each his own, and people will surely defend it. Whatever.
James Adams I'm glad to see several people on this timeline commenting about the annoying Dana. It's just so over the top- she's coming apart and she wasn't even driving the damn car. I now see why they needed the subplot, but they made Dana too annoying.
November 19, 2012 at 2:34PM ESTJohn P Agreed. I hope that this storyline has come to an end. I find it and the character of Dana to be a drag on the show.
November 20, 2012 at 3:26PM ESTemma she's such a downer. i know she's a teenager, but can they have her laugh once in a while? have a personality?
November 21, 2012 at 12:28AM ESTjack_is_laughing
November 19, 2012 at 2:51AM EST Reply to CommentSo have we reached the point where no one even bats an eyelash that Nazir, the leader of Homeland's version of Al Qaeda, can apparently just enter the U.S. of A. at will simply by shaving? Even the writers of Homeland have no respect for the TSA.
Brobama Seriously. This is basically the equivalent of Osama fucking bin Laden walking around on US soil.
November 19, 2012 at 3:41AM ESTds Tsk, tsk, don't you know he came in through Canada? Probably Pembina border crossing, in North Dakota. Or walked across the border at Neche after picking up a parcel at the mail depot there.
November 19, 2012 at 12:37PM ESTSeriously, It's easier than you think. The writers will probably blame Canada, when in reality they have the US border crossing guys to blame.
Andrew Y Thank you...I should have scrolled further down and glad others are challenging this. The show once represented something that I knew was fiction but was rooted in deep research and a respect for the audiences intelligence. Now they have just dumbed it down to something still 5 levels north of Dexter, but nowhere near the GOAT status it once aspired.
November 19, 2012 at 2:45PM ESTJaxemer11
November 19, 2012 at 3:02AM EST Reply to CommentIf the first thing that pops into my head when they pull over next to a grassy field is that a helicopter will come, surely it wouldn't take the CIA 15 minutes to figure that out. And how did Nazir get into the country without detection? This guy is supposed to be like Bin Laden, right? Can you imagine if Bin Laden were in America?
The plot holes are huge and silly, but I still enjoy the show. Its just not Best Drama worthy.
bmfc1 Great point Jaxemer 11. And wouldn't Brody, as a Congressman, have meetings, interviews, constituent events, hearings? The gaps in logic are almost "24"-like.
November 19, 2012 at 8:19AM ESTjack_is_laughing Wouldn't Roya, who is a TV news personality, but somewhat recognizable in the general public? You'd think she is probably not the best person to be meeting with the military hero/US Senator in a public place. I get that her cover is good and they'd have reason to speak to each, but talk about drawing attention.
November 19, 2012 at 11:43AM ESTAnyway, yes, Nazir being in the US is pretty silly and unbelievable, but so is the idea that a Cobra Commando kill team could shoot up 6 CIA agents and that this operation would still be this small, or that the VP would still be unaware he's running for office with a would-be terrorist.
Dan3320 If you guys are going to nit pick every little detail, then perhaps you should actually listen to the show...since Roya and Brody had a conversation about how his schedule was wide open that day.
November 19, 2012 at 12:16PM ESTAndrew Y Dan it is not 'nit picking' every little detail. Obviously it is ridiculous to think he could just disappear for an entire day given he is a congressman, husband and father not to mention the leader in the clubhouse for VP. I was in for outpatient surgery today, and no one of great importance so even though I cleared my calendar people are still looking for me. That is the reality. No way Brody could go off the grid for 24 hours. This is a major plot contrivance to advance an impossible narrative.
November 19, 2012 at 2:49PM ESTRahim The CIA is operating Brody on a need to know basis and it is only a small team that knows what is going on hence the reason as to why they lack full resources and not able to have eyes everywhere and call in for back up when a helicopter turns up. This is why David Estes is so annoyed with Saul in the office to rein Carrie in as he knows if something happens he is in the firing line especially as they have kept this from others who should be in the know in particular the Veep.
November 20, 2012 at 3:38AM ESTAll in all a grey shows which seems to have been falling apart a few episodes ago but has improved as the season has gone on.
jack_is_laughing "The CIA is operating Brody on a need to know basis and it is only a small team that knows what is going on hence the reason as to why they lack full resources and not able to have eyes everywhere and call in for back up when a helicopter turns up."
November 20, 2012 at 11:25AM ESTThanks for putting it that way. *THIS*, what you stated, is one of the primary reasons 9/11 happened. *THIS* is why we had a 9/11 commission, and why policies and practices of the CIA were changed. *THIS* is exactly what CIA simply would not do in a post-9/11 world when they have a clear and imminent threat of an attack on the United States. The writers know this. And we know Homeland is a post-9/11 show because not only has Carrie alluded to it repeatedly, but it's in the credits.
It's a great show that operates in a fantasyland because the writers can't write what they want in anything remotely like reality. They aren't even making an effort anymore. You either don't care or you get frustrated because you wish this show tried harder or you stop watching. I'm hovering between the second and third option right now.
joeyjojo "*THIS* is why we had a 9/11 commission, and why policies and practices of the CIA were changed."
November 21, 2012 at 1:48PM ESTCan you cite some evidence for this? Everything I've read in the last five years suggests that any changes made by the CIA and/or FBI were extremely short-lived and have been basically abandoned.
I don't think you have to look too far to see strong evidence that there is still incredible in-fighting, exactly like pre-9/11. Like, say, if the FBI were to investigate the head of the CIA for something that wasn't illegal using unwarranted surveillance...
jack_is_laughing Are you kidding? The Patraeus scandal is a political one. It has nothing to do with a terrorist attack or threat of one. It has nothing to do with six CIA agents being slaughtered in a small American town, nor is it connected to a known terrorist mastermind.
November 21, 2012 at 2:23PM ESTThe points have already been made. If you can actually refute them with any credibility post 9/11, go ahead. Homeland hasn't even bothered to depict "infighting." In Homeland's world, these events are apparently so minor that no other govt agency, Congress, or the administration even appears to care. Do you think that is reasonably realistic? It's not.
Homeland certainly doesn't have to be realistic or credible, and it can verge off into whatever direction it wants to. I can't fault people for loving it for the numerous things it does right. It's just frustrating to see it go so far off the rails of believability, because it was doing a decent job up to the midpoint of this season.
Pringle
November 19, 2012 at 3:07AM EST Reply to CommentEvery weekend I think about how crappy/cheesy this show's opening sequence is. The music, that lame cornfield maze shot, etc. Could this be the best show in recent TV history with the worst opening?
Kristen I love the audio, but I can pass on the cornfield maze too.
November 19, 2012 at 3:31AM ESTQuentin I'm a big fan of opening titles and I think you're right. This one always struck me weird. I dig the old footage (as much as I love it on 'The Newsroom'). I guess this opening is trying to convey that Carrie's being obsessed with terrorism since early age and at the same time, that she's batshit crazy.
November 19, 2012 at 3:40AM ESTklxdg it's a really god-awful opening.
November 19, 2012 at 3:54AM ESTbmfc1 Awful. Creepy and awful.
November 19, 2012 at 9:40PM ESTghoti I hate it. The song, the corn maze, the lines from the show, the stupid lion mask, everything.
November 19, 2012 at 10:54PM ESTPercept I like it. One of my favorite parts.
November 22, 2012 at 10:58PM ESTChase Rivera
November 19, 2012 at 3:29AM EST Reply to CommentAll you guys are talking major shit about a Hollywood show but has anyone given any thoughts on how Nazir entered the states lol
jack_is_laughing There are a lot of ways he COULD enter the US. Via either of our major borders, which are still pretty easy to cross undetected. Or via a boat, but that seems unlikely. A boat is easy to attack, hard to escape or hard in. Or he could likely fly on a private plane, if he had the right cover.
November 19, 2012 at 11:47AM ESTBut why in the hell would he want to be in the US? This is the one place he would stand out the most, and if he detected escape would be extremely difficult. It's not like we wouldn't be looking for Osama Bin Laden if he popped up on a random surveillance camera at an intersection.
Dan3320 It is a TV show. He is in the US because that helps advance the plot. Perhaps we should let the show play out next week to see how they explain it?
November 19, 2012 at 12:18PM ESTjack_is_laughing I don't subscribe to the rationale that TV is inherently stupid or at the very least irrationale therefore any TV show should be able to get away with anything because it's just TV.
November 19, 2012 at 12:31PM ESTThere's are literally hundreds of hours of miserably bad original TV broadcast every week. This show just won an Emmy as Best Drama and is one of the most critically-acclaimed shows on television. It should be fully expected to make a better effort than say Chuck or Alias.
amylavi So far, we have only seen Nazir in some kind of an airplane hanger, ostensibly in the middle of nowhere. Is it really that much of a stretch that he came into the country through one of the porous border crossings that have been mentioned in several posts and that, once here, he managed to stay in some kind of rural environment, away from the prying eyes of satellite imaging and basic urban surveillance cameras? I don't find this hard to imagine at all.
November 19, 2012 at 4:52PM ESTillogicalplotting If I were a most-wanted middle eastern terrorist whose face has likely been broadcast all over american TV for years, the first place I'd go is where the most gun-toting, predominately white FOX news viewers are. So yes, a rural american farm is definitely a smart place to hide.
November 19, 2012 at 8:45PM ESTpete
November 19, 2012 at 3:50AM EST Reply to CommentWell of course these show will not win this year again. It is still the one to watch every week but the writing is not as good as last year. Last year this show was so good because everything was so real that you forgat that it is a tv show.This year when we start yelling at the screen to Carrie or Dana to not be doing what they're doing we are actually realizing that what they are doing is just things that don't happen only in the movies. By the way did anyone likes how Dana's mom's reaction was to this whole accident issue. That is not the women who puts everything behind her own ambition to be a VP's wife.
Looks like she and her lover are becomming the heros in the last 2 episods.Of course we would love the show to go on and on but when you see the writing taking a dive is we have to ask: is this show getting in trouble?
THEM YELLOW TOPS
November 19, 2012 at 5:26AM EST Reply to CommentCould be I misheard, but the first thing Abu Nazir says to Brody is, "Legolas"? He must be a major cinephile.
spaxicle OMG I heard Legolas too. HAHA. And as someone who understands some level of Arabic, I don't think that that was an Arabic expression. Hmm. Curious.
November 20, 2012 at 2:08AM ESTJonDee It was "Nicholas". Brody's first name.
November 20, 2012 at 11:02AM ESTfred1
November 19, 2012 at 9:26AM EST Reply to CommentI'm enjoying the acting, but the plot holes are getting too big to ignore.
Portraying the CIA as being incompetent, with the exception being Carrie is getting ridiculous. The CIA can't track a terrorist in a subway, can't track a single car, don't notice a noisy helicopter, can't track said helicopter, and most egregiously, somehow can't track their #1 terrorist, who somehow waltzes right into their own country. Size '24' plotholes.
Jason Regan Helicopters are always completely silent until they're 15 metres away... It's the rules.
November 19, 2012 at 10:09AM ESTDelta1212 This remids me of that thing every thriller, horror movie and crime drama does where they'll framee the shot tightly around a lone character who feels lile they're being watched, looks around and then suddenly runs into someone who appears from off-screen, giving the character and aufience a start.
November 19, 2012 at 10:53AM ESTExcept that there was no way the person could have snuck up on someone in that space unless the character in question couldn't see past the edge of the screen either.
Darkdoug I love how people use the word "track" like they understand what that entails. The implausibility of other TV shows defines the new plausibility. It's like when movies or shows based on reality have to tone back some of the details because they are unbelieveable. Now shows like "24" have computers that know everything and where every aircraft and vehicle in the universe is located, so these things not existing is presumed to be a "plot hole"!
November 19, 2012 at 1:46PM ESTThe show is set in a major metropolitan area, you don't notice aircraft noise until it becomes obvious it's landing near you. How do you "track" a terrorist in a subway or a car you cannot see?
And you would think the inhabitants of a country that did not get their own "major terrorist" until ten years after his second attempt to blow up the same building, would be less dismissive of a terrorist evading security.
jack_is_laughing @DarkDoug: I agree that "tracking" the car or the helicopter isn't that easy. I even agree that there are many ways for Nazir to get into the country, but the setup for all of this is very implausible, whether it's on 24 or Homeland.
November 19, 2012 at 4:06PM ESTAs for taking 10 years to get Bin Laden, you realize for large chunks of that time he was either hiding in caves in Afghanistan/Pakistan or hiding in a compound in Pakistan where he never left the building, never used a phone or email, only communicated via courier, and even burned his trash. He went to tremendous lengths to not be found and we got him anyway. He *DID NOT* travel to the U.S. for late night meetings with his Cobra Commando team.
Percept @Jack.... Well as far as we know, bin Laden didn't. ;-}
November 22, 2012 at 11:04PM ESTmb houston
November 19, 2012 at 11:25AM EST Reply to Commentthis show needs less Dana. Much less Dana.
James Adams I love the show, but Dana is one of the most annoying characters I have seen on TV.
November 19, 2012 at 2:24PM ESTamylavi I, too, have been annoyed at the Dana plot this season, especially this episode where I found her naivete hard to take. However, I really think that the writers are presenting her as the moral compass for the show. She is the one person who does not have any kind of agenda other than to try to do the right thing: confess if you broke the law, try to make amends (hard though that obviously would be) to the girl whose mother you were involved in killing, etc. I think if we in the audience can try to get outside of our own annoyance and try to consider how Dana is being presented as a counter-point to the adults, who are riddled with conflicts, agendas, relative moralities, etc., we might gain some insight into this character's role in the larger drama.
November 19, 2012 at 5:13PM ESTSully
November 19, 2012 at 2:06PM EST Reply to CommentThe biggest flaw in logic I had was Quinn agreeing to let Carrie go in the follow car with Max and Virgil. Quinn knows she has clouded judgment when it comes to Brody and he definitely knows she constantly ignores direct orders from superiors. It made know sense for her to go.
amylavi I think at this point, we should all realize that no one can control Carrie, least of all Quinn. His issuing a "direct order" makes absolutely no difference to Carrie. She literally has nothing to lose. On that point, I wonder how much the CIA is paying her...
November 19, 2012 at 5:15PM ESTNat King Kong How is Quinn even in a position of authority? He is just an analyst.
November 19, 2012 at 7:39PM ESTAlso, if it weren't for Carrie (and Saul), they wouldn't even have found out about Brodie. What has Quinn done, but be wrong about everything, and apparently recover from a serious stomach wound in record time by chewing aspirin?
Finnster
November 19, 2012 at 2:22PM EST Reply to CommentI am now convinced that Brody is still helping out the other side. He seems to be using code words to pass on info to Roya. Did anyone else notice how Roya took apart her mobile phone after the strangely worded conversation with Brody? He's clearly code wording things to her ... like during the ninja attack Gettysburg episode...and the conversation in the car towards the end of this episode. Then again I could be wrong.
Alfa Romeo Brody seemed nervous during the drive with Roya and he seemed genuinely worried where he was being taken to in the helicopter. If he was passing on valuable intel to Roya using code words then all his affectations will be solely to fool the audience.
November 20, 2012 at 1:56AM ESTSully
November 19, 2012 at 3:31PM EST Reply to CommentI think they might be at a point where Jessica has to break up with Brody permanently or the whole family dynamic will just be very contrived and/or redundant. The fact that he lied about Carrie being involved should be her last straw.
Alfa Romeo I think Brody-Jess breakup is imminent especially now that she knows Carrie continues to be involved in Brody's life. Also, Mike is being increasingly drawn into Jess' life with Dana taking refuge at Mike's place for a couple of days. It is just a matter of time for Mike to be back in Jess' life full time.
November 19, 2012 at 6:10PM ESTAlfa Romeo
November 19, 2012 at 6:03PM EST Reply to CommentBrody seemed nervous during the drive with Roya and he seemed genuinely worried where he was being taken to in the helicopter. If he was passing on valuable intel to Roya using code words then all his affectations will be solely to fool the audience.
Alfa Romeo Oops. The above comment was a reply to Finnister.
November 19, 2012 at 6:05PM ESTTSill
November 19, 2012 at 7:21PM EST Reply to CommentFunny to read about how implausible it would be for the king terrorist to just show up in the U.S. ... we don't know if Osama bin Laden showed up in the U.S. at some point before what would've seem a completely implausible attack on the World Trade Center by passenger jets. ... The only plot line that I bother lingering on is that Carrie's unstable, never follows protocol, doesn't follow orders and is left out there in the field as the person nearest Brody and 2 key members of a pending terror attack. ... Don't care how a congressman clears his schedule and never casts a vote or attends a meeting...don't care that Dana's the only teen in America who doesn't know how power and money work...and I don't worry that the military would pay any attention to a character like Mike being involved with the wife of a military guy missing for 8 years. ... It's entertainment, ultimately, and it's entertaining to follow Saul's intense desire to let the loosest cannon in the history of espionage run wild over and around Brody, Abu Nazir and a pending attack. ... Anyone wondering what WOULD prompt Saul to say, "OK...I love Carrie and respect her but this is crazy. Get her out of there..." you know? Love the Saul character but he's really not far from his "SNL" alter ego who said of Carrie, "Other than every time I've ever trusted her, when has she ever let me down?"
Nat King Kong While I agree she is about as loose a cannon as there is, don't forget she is the one who got the goods on Brody (validating her suspicions, which she alone had all along). So it's not like she there isn't some reward to go along with all that risk.
November 19, 2012 at 7:43PM ESTTSill
November 19, 2012 at 7:23PM EST Reply to CommentIt's America in 2012, so the idea that a teen girl is altruistic and naive is a stretch. Remember ... the same Dana who can't live with hitting the woman is the girl who shouted, "Let's have some fun!" and laughed and giggled and encouraged Finn to elude the Secret Service. ... It could be that her story is solely intended to get Mike on Brody, closer to Jessica and into whatever the end game becomes.
Dr Phil I agree that the writing for Dana has been inconsistent, but I know a LOT of naive teenagers. A lot. Being a teenager and being naive sort of go hand in hand.
November 19, 2012 at 8:48PM ESTTSill I've got teenagers now...had 2 teens who are grown now...and, seriously, teens Dana's age are simply not that naive. I wouldn't make a generalization unless I'd been around more teens that I could begin to count. Take 100 kids Dana's age...show them the last few episodes...and they'd all be in disbelief that a kid who's 16 thinks a powerful politician would jeopardize his career goals over a pedestrian hit-and-run. And, it's pretty hard to grow up in the U.S. without knowing that you don't argue with the CIA -- even with a potentially insane agent like Carrie. Honest...give teens more credit.
November 20, 2012 at 1:46AM ESTHarryR She essentially killed someone. Something like that can affect you and change your perspective/sense greatly. It's not her being naive. Can you imagine if your teens killed someone? It would vastly change the way they look at everything.
November 20, 2012 at 6:34PM ESTPercept @Tsill...Some are, some aren't. Moreover, she is not jaded like Finn, and it is an entirely different thing to know corruption exists and to find yourself face to face with it. Having "fun" is one thing, until you hit someone, and then you see how people react. I personally would want my daughter to react this way.
November 22, 2012 at 11:14PM ESTI personally have come to like Dana in the last two episodes, this one especially. I did find her and this storyline death for awhile, but I like the payoff.
TSill
November 19, 2012 at 7:23PM EST Reply to CommentIt's America in 2012, so the idea that a teen girl is altruistic and naive is a stretch. Remember ... the same Dana who can't live with hitting the woman is the girl who shouted, "Let's have some fun!" and laughed and giggled and encouraged Finn to elude the Secret Service. ... It could be that her story is solely intended to get Mike on Brody, closer to Jessica and into whatever the end game becomes.
Mike
November 19, 2012 at 9:20PM EST Reply to CommentThe part of the SNL skit that got stuck in my head was Saul's blind faith in Carrie...when he yelled to Quinn that he had to trust her I burst out laughing
Jinjee
November 19, 2012 at 9:49PM EST Reply to CommentWas there anything...not egregiously contrived about Jessica driving herself and Chris over to Mike's to tell him to let Dana stay there? "Sorry, Mike, I would've said this over the phone, but the script said the CIA needed a few minutes to get Brody out of the house." I know she told Chris they were going to get Dana, and could've changed her mind in the car, but c'mon. Deus ex Outback.
RyanT Jessica didn't drive to Mike to tell him Dana to stay there. She was going to pick her up and when she got there Mike told her Dana had gone to sleep. So... yeah.
November 19, 2012 at 10:38PM ESTSchmye Bubbula
November 19, 2012 at 10:01PM EST Reply to CommentApologies in advance for an off-topic post, but there are no Dexter reviews and I just wanted to say somewhere here that, hey, has anyone noticed that this season of Dexter is... pretty damn good?
jenny Yes! I'm so glad you went off topic, cause last night's episode was so good....that scene between Dexter and Deb, amazing performances. Blew me away.
November 19, 2012 at 10:48PM ESTDave I Ditto! I'm not sure if Dexter is better this season than Homeland, or just so much better than expected. It is strangely (yet to me undeniably) much more coherent and logical as a whole.
November 20, 2012 at 12:21AM EST-Cheers
guest Actually, Alan noticed too, he discussed it in his podcasts with Dan Feinberg.
November 20, 2012 at 4:19AM ESTemma They took the show in an entirely new direction and it's brought life back to a show that was dying off. The last two seasons weren't exactly compelling and the last season was to be my last until I saw the finale off course. Jennifer Carpenter has been great with the material.
November 21, 2012 at 12:33AM ESTDave I @Emma, agreed. This season should do great things for Jennifer Carpenter's career. When given smart writing and something for her character to do (besides be foul mouthed and stupid), she comes across pretty amazing. It is unfortunate that they have not given her more to work with sooner. During those last couple of fairly awful seasons, that might have helped.
November 21, 2012 at 5:59PM ESTGreat acting from Michael C. Hall, Ray Stevenson, and Yvonne Strahovski for that matter. I hope Hannah and Isaak do not just die off or go away at the end of the season just 'cuz. At minimal, I hope they stay, go away, or die in ways that make sense organically and not just because that's how every season ends. Both, while the "bad guys," are compelling in their own right and morally grey. O.k., Isaak's a pure bad guy. Still, he's coming at Dexter for at least somewhat sympathetic and totally understandable reasons. I want these plotlines to wrap up organically and convincingly, not just because the season ends and every season his girlfriend dies/leaves and the bad guy is killed the last episode. Not that I expect him and Isaak to be BFF's. I like how they have broken the formula up and hope that holds true for the remainder of the season (not to mention the final season).
-Cheers
Dave I
November 20, 2012 at 12:37AM EST Reply to CommentThis show is a mixture of greatness and disappointment.
Overall, it was great. Amazing acting, ambiguous/mixed motivations from most everybody. Yes, Carrie & Brody on screen together are great. Not great enough to overlook the gaps in logic or for me to be o.k. with them both on the show solely to get to see them together. Yet, admittedly, great. Mandy Patinkin was just great. I also liked how Dana realized what Mike must have gone through. That was something that could have been lost in the terrorism/cloak-and-dagger/double-agent sort of stuff. I thought Morena Baccarin did a great job in quietly portraying the sadness and betrayal she must have felt that Carrie was the one who told Brody he could not let Dana confess to the police. Mostly though, it was compelling (if not fun) to watch Brody fall to pieces. I also bought his reaction to Carrie's message. When you are in too deep, whatever the situation, sometimes all you really want is a way out so that however you screwed up does not matter any more.
On the down side... How is it even feasible for Carrie to track Brody? She's in an office and Brody's off, somewhere. How would she get to wherever in time? And how does the CIA lose Brody, lose Carrie, not have a handler for Carrie so she does not pull this stuff that happens, like, every episode? Or just, y'know, tell her no or not tell her anything. Then they lose Brody in a chopper. O.k. And they flew him to Nazir because...? The CIA just comes off pretty inept in this show, not to mention understaffed. And Carrie's reaction go Saul? Maybe it was understandable from her angle. Still. NOBODY is standing up for her, except Saul. Who is being incredibly non-confrontational yet understandably concerned. And Carrie decides to cop an attitude after fornicating with a terrorist while being caught on surveillance doing a pretty good job of sounding starstruck. Then blowing up at the only guy who has anything to do with her being there in the first place or, heck, the only guy in the CIA who has stuck his neck out for her at all. Great acting by Patinkin yet an odd place and direction for Carrie to become a whiner. It just seemed a bit too fabricated.
Nice to see Quinn's up and about. After a near-lethal gun shot(s). Seems totally fine. Because, well, that's how gunshots work. You recover almost instantly. Apparently. After almost dying from gunshot wounds.
So very good episode. Also, very flawed, which is unfortunate.
-Cheers
RD
November 20, 2012 at 12:44AM EST Reply to CommentWhile I enjoy the acting performances of Danes and Lewis. And enjoy the character scenes. The plot is really starting to bug me.
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