Review: 'Homeland' - 'Broken Hearts': Whatever it takes
Saul goes out for waffles, and Brody and the Vice-President have a chat
F. Murray Abraham and Mandy Patinkin in "Homeland."
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"Actually, it's not for my family. It's for you." -Brody
Hoo-boy.
I've written a lot about this season about how the character work on "Homeland" of late has been outpacing the plot. But rarely was the gap starker than in "Broken Hearts," where the scenes where the characters were just talking to one another about who they were and what they believed in were terrific, while the ones where they had to take action often required a suspension bridge of disbelief.
So on the positive side, you had the epic beard-off between Saul and Dar Adal — and between Tony Winner Mandy Patinkin and Oscar Winner F. Murray Abraham — in which two old, weary, smart men (played by two wily ol' character actors) talked about their experiences and their philosophical differences. And you had a similar(*) debate between Carrie and Abu Nazir, as they clashed over which side was both more righteous and more committed to their cause. Outside of the Isa flashback episode last season, Nazir has largely existed on the show as a bogeyman, and it was very satisfying to get at least a few minutes with him interacting with someone not part of his organization and not broken from years of torture.
(*) In both cases, there was talk of what it means to be a soldier, in an episode where the only actual soldier (Marine, technically) killed someone in a way that the United States government did not train him for.
But as for the plot — both the story of the episode and Nazir's Plan B once the CIA seized his explosives and most of his American terror cell — I spent a lot of the episode scratching and/or shaking my head.
I recognize that 1)the CIA just put a big crimp into Nazir's operation, and 2)he really wants Walden dead (for killing Isa and for the drone strikes in general), but the pacemaker scheme strikes me as more of a supervillain scheme than that of a man whose terror aesthetic — as Carrie has told us over and over and over again — involves mass casualties of civilians in a symbolic way that will both inflict maximum psychological damage and make it absolutely clear he was the man responsible. Killing Walden in this complicated, stealthy way eliminates a man Nazir wants to kill, but not in a way that accomplishes any of his other goals.
And blackmailing Brody in this way to get him to do it felt like one of the many, many "24" instances where Jack was forced to turn on CTU, his partners, his government, etc., because the bad guys were holding one of his loved ones hostage. Now, I liked "24." At times I loved it. I included it as one of the 12 main dramas in my book. But "Homeland" is a different kind of show — or feels like it should be. It's a thriller about government agents battling terrorism, but our heroine is an analyst, not a trained killer, and it's a show driven by words and not action. And though events on both shows are implausible, the tone of "Homeland" is much more down-to-earth — there's a greater illusion of plausibility. Carrie getting t-boned(**) and turned into bait to force Brody to murder the vice-president feels like it fits in the older show and not in this one.
(**) And by who? Nazir himself? Does he have any other local operatives at this point? How does he time such a thing just right operating alone?
And I hate to say it, but I really didn't like Damian Lewis' performance in much of this episode.
Lewis is a great actor. He was a worthy Emmy winner last year, and if he wins again next year on the back of, say, "Q And A," I'll have no complaints. But he's much better at internalizing emotions than externalizing them, which makes a nice contrast with the performance Claire Danes is giving. But when Brody was the one making with the bug eyes and grimaces and idle threats as he's reacting to this terrible situation Nazir has placed him in, it just didn't play — not that this isn't how Brody might react under that circumstance, but that for the first time of the series, I was watching Damian Lewis and not Nicholas Brody. It wasn't the whole episode — the moment when Brody drops the mask and gets to tell the dying Walden what he really thinks of him was quite nice — but enough that, when you add it together with Nazir's new scheme, Brody having the run of the VP's residence, etc., it was an episode where, for once, the flaws outweighed the strengths, and left me questioning the action more than usual.
I wouldn't question Brody's desire to save Carrie, and also the recognition that he'd also kinda like Walden dead, but at the same time this wasn't a "24" situation where Nazir had eyes on him the whole time, because he had no resources. Brody could've told the CIA, they could've tried triangulating the call, etc. I'm not saying he had to do that, but it was at least something I was thinking about.
And then there's Carrie not telling Saul and the others to protect Walden. I imagine they'll deal with this next week, and we'll find that Carrie wanted to protect Brody's reputation and future more than the VP's life, but it doesn't even seem to be a consideration for her when she's on the phone.
In both cases, you have characters working under a ("24"-like) ticking clock scenario, and with no one they can really talk to, but at the same time they're making big damn decisions that the show is just racing through because it has to, and hoping that the actors will be good enough to tell you what their characters aren't saying aloud.
At least Saul all but inviting Estes to detain him felt entirely in character. Saul is, as Dar Adal noted, too sensitive, and too willing to believe in the goodness of of others. (As Bill Hader-as-Saul said in the "SNL" parody, "She's only let me down every time I've trusted her. Give me one reason not to trust her again.") I believe that he would openly poke and prod Estes — a man whom he knows has gone to very illegal lengths to cover up that drone strike — never for a moment contemplating that David would resort to using similar tactics on him. Then again, we'll see what's waiting for him in that interrogation room next week. (Can it be James Urbaniak? Pretty please!)
We're approaching the end game not only of this season, but Abu Nazir and maybe Brody himself, barring the writers having a surprising but convincing reason to keep him in play for additional seasons. For much of the season, the show has tip toed up to the edge of problem territory, and occasionally (the stealth ninja attack, for instance, or Roya risking Brody's cover to deal with the tailor) crossed over; "Broken Hearts" is the first episode that felt like it took place primarily on the wrong side of that line.
Some other thoughts:
* Last we heard about Galvez, he was basically so close to death that neither Saul nor Quinn could stomach the idea of even going to visit him. And now he's just moving about as part of the Estes team again, without any comment at all? Huh?
* I know Dana has become everyone's favorite target of complaint this season, and I certainly haven't loved a lot of what they've done with that character. But Chris Brody, frankly, is a lot more distracting to me, even though he's around much less. With Dana, at least, they've put the work in to establish who she is, how she thinks, and what her relationship with her father and mother are like. Chris is just... there (or off at karate), so any scene where he's in the middle of the tension between Brody and Jessica, or Brody and Dana, or Dana and Jessica, becomes oddly distracting, because he barely even qualifies as a character on a show that usually distinguishes itself with how specifically everyone is written.
What did everybody else think?
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Next 237 CommentsDezbot
December 3, 2012 at 1:10AM EST Reply to CommentFully agree with you on this ep. I enjoyed all the character moments, but the plot was a little out there for what they've done before. That pacemaker thing was just weird.
I kept hoping F. Murray would flip off Saul, just for fun. :-)
duralast Well, as a person who works in the technology field the pacemaker plot does seem quite plausible, so I do not think of it as weird. The episode left me thinking about the possibility that Nazir and Brody had this all planned out (leaving Brody with trust from the CIA and Carrie while Nazir getting what he wanted all along). I also thought Nazir might have committed suicide after this, leaving everything to a greater cause and perhaps an emerging bigger player.
December 3, 2012 at 2:08AM ESThunter I love the idea that Brody and Nazir planned this. One potential flaw with that would be the fact that Brody seems very surprised and shaken by Nazir capturing Carrie, even when no one else is around. I suppose it's possible that he's such a good liar that he lies even when he's alone, but still
December 3, 2012 at 2:31AM EST
Uh I didn't write that. Sigh.
December 3, 2012 at 2:54AM ESTMikeyB Weren't the CIA agents listening in on Brody's calls the last few episodes? How did Nazir manage to get through to Brody's line privately? For me that was the most implausible thing since S01E01
December 3, 2012 at 7:26AM ESTDaniel The issue that a heart pacemaker can be hacked via wireless software is a known issue, and had been in the news all this year.
December 3, 2012 at 9:57AM ESTAs for Brody thinking he could get Carrie free from Nazir and also placate Nazir at the same time was almost a jumping the shark moment.
As for Nazir committing suicide, FFS, do I have to make it clear yet again that a Muslim warrior cannot just off themselves, as suicide is forbidden in Islam. If you carry out an attack on the enemy, where your death is an intrinsic part of it, you go to paradise. If not, you risk eternal hell.
At least in Sleeper Cell we got an inkling of why a Muslim would carry out such an operation, with everyone trading quotes from the Quran to justify an action. Here we don't even have one Arabic or Quranic specialist to explain what might happen and why.
sadie The problem with the show has always been the implausible situations presented, balanced by the great drama and characters. Now that has gotten out of hand
December 3, 2012 at 12:30PM ESTDave I I find it weird that THIS would be the episode people found was the breaking point for implausibility in this show, or that it was where things got out of hand or were terrible. I thought it was pretty well done, and nothing in this episode was remotely as bad as some of the earlier contrivances. I also greatly disagree with the earlier assertion by DezBot that even the character moments were terrible. I thought they were very well done. I'm curious what moments you thought were ridiculous a/o insulting. Nothing struck me that way watching it (whereas in previous episodes...).
December 3, 2012 at 4:18PM ESTJust my opinion.
-Cheers
Dezbot That second comment wasn't me. I guess I have a troll. Great.
December 3, 2012 at 5:32PM ESTDave I @Dez, no problem. Does that make you infamous or something?
December 3, 2012 at 6:13PM EST-Cheers
Dezbot Eh, s/he's done it to at least one other poster here, so I guess it just makes me one of the lucky ones :-)
December 3, 2012 at 6:27PM ESTHollywoodaholic Carrie going back after Nazir with a pipe at the end is a Jack Baur moment to cap off an overtly implausible "24" episode... and that ain't good.
December 4, 2012 at 2:40PM ESTBeekayz The discovery of the memory chip containing the video 'Brodie manifesto' was the 'jump the shark moment'.
December 5, 2012 at 1:49AM ESTAt the time I thought it was a gutsy move on the part of the show to pull out the big guns so early.
And despite the 24-like moments coming more regularly from that point on, it seemed a worthwhile trade-off for scenes like the gripping, compelling interrogation in 'Q & A'.
Sadly, in retrospect, it seems a case of short term gain/ long term pain and, while I'll continue watching, at least in the short term, in the hope of being proved wrong, I don't see Homeland recovering. :(
alev
December 3, 2012 at 1:17AM EST Reply to CommentI'm worried about Saul. It's a scary thing when a man as ineffable and constant as Saul has to resort to pushing security guards from his own division off his person.
Also, I like Quinn. Not looking forward to the Quinn/Brody showdown that appears to be looming.
I agree about the character-driven scenes outclassing the plot-driven scenes. The scene where Carrie and Abu Nazir talk to each other was MESMERIZING.
The scene where Brody reveals who he is (sort of) as Walden takes his dying breaths was just hitting it out of the ballpark for me. Just. Couldn't look away.
Also, just to put it out there, because I'm not sure if anyone else has or will - I kind of have a soft spot for Finn Walden.
Oh! I meant to say - I'm really not a fan of the Jealous-Husband angle of Brody that seems to pop up whenever Mike is around. It doesn't work like that Brody! You can't ignore, cheat on and lie to your wife and then be surprised when she shows affection for someone who was there for the years you weren't and who is honest to her and loves her!
Jaxemer11 I like Finn too. I think he could have been avery interesting character. Too bad he got stuck with Dana.
December 3, 2012 at 1:37AM ESTJohnO Finn Walden, the guy who hit and killed the woman and then drove away, that's who you like? The only sensible moment in this episode is when Dana rejected his attempt to restart their relationship. Hopefully Dana won't let his father's death change her mind.
December 3, 2012 at 2:00AM ESTalev @Johno. I hardly think Finn is perfect. Finn is very, very flawed. But I think he's fighting against a lot of what has been ingrained into him by his parents and his environment; there is something in him that draws him to Dana, who is very removed from his lifestyle. I'm not making any excuses for his behavior. I'm saying that him, as a character, I allow more leeway than others who are perceiving him might.
December 3, 2012 at 3:12AM ESTI mean, in the grand scheme of things, let's face it - he was a frightened teenager scared of what his father would say. I think Homeland has some other morally dubious/derelict ongoings with bigger implications to tackle, don't you?
Jason I'm kinda stunned by the lack of empathy posters show for Finn. I like him a great deal. He's a scared kid who made a mistake in a particularly messed up situation, struggling to grow up and make the right decisions with parents who not only aren't role models but who actively push him to do the wrong thing. Not only that, he knows that disobeying his father and doing the right thing would end his dad's career, which just so happens to be culminating as president of the United States.
December 3, 2012 at 7:17AM ESTI see a lot of good kids who make bad decisions because they're terrified of disappointing their fathers. None of those fathers are vice president, and most of them are far better people and dads than Walden.
ds Ugh, Jason and Alev. You missed the ultimately cynical statement that came out of Finn's mouth when Dana questioned by the VP's office paid off the dead woman's family. 'That's the way the world works', said the oh-so-innocent Finn. Innocent and scared, my ass. He got saved and he knows it and he will hide behind those skirts forever. I have not one whit of sympathy for Finn. Dana's conclusion after Finn's remark? Something along the lines of, 'I have a lot to learn'? Wow. Looks like Dana could be headed down the same path.
December 3, 2012 at 11:16AM ESTds Sorry, second line should read 'questioned why the VP's office paid off the dead woman's family' Typo challenged today.
December 3, 2012 at 11:17AM ESTJason Didn't miss that line at all, ds. In fact, it's like the third or fourth time Finn has said that. IIRC, at one point he also told Dana that going to the cops wouldn't make a difference, implying his father would find a way to quash any investigation.
December 3, 2012 at 3:05PM ESTThe fact that Finn is a smart kid at least partially aware of the kind of man his father is and how his father's world works undermines none of my points and arguably strengthens them.
And neither of us called him innocent.
Miles What's also really distracting to me is that we're supposed to suspend disbelief and think that Finn would be attracted to Dana. They don't seem to share any values, and she's not attractive. Why does he keep coming back to her?
December 3, 2012 at 3:14PM ESTDave I Speaking on Finn Walden . . .
December 3, 2012 at 4:25PM ESTHe's been kind of a douche, but @Johno, he IS a kid that made a stupid mistake. It seems pretty believable (if unsympathetic) he'd freak out and try to cover it up.
@DS, I can buy Finn's line about how the world works. For him, that is exactly how it works. Not only was he "saved," anything he had done wrong HAD to be smoothed over so that his dad could run for President.
What I like about Finn is that, given some time to digest the situation and having no way to decompress, he seems guilt-stricken. He should be, he did kill somebody and left her for dead. However there is no recourse, no outlet. There is quite literally nothing he can do that would make things better, or that would help alleviate his guilt. So I am a bit sympathetic toward him. In fact, I still think there would be ways to use his character in pretty compelling fashion. Not just for Dana to be guilted into being his girlfriend once he loses his dad. There are worse character ideas than a kid dealing with massive guilt and bureaucracy.
-Cheers
Jason @Miles, That's another one I don't get. Morgan Saylor is a beautiful young woman.
December 3, 2012 at 5:18PM ESTAs to interests, they're teenagers. I'm smart, cute, and nice. You're smart, cute, and nice---and saved me from an embarrassing moment in class. Both our dads are in big league politics and suck at being dads. Voila, match made in heaven.
asherlev1 Thank you, Jason and Dave I!!
December 3, 2012 at 11:18PM ESTHISLOCAL I liked the scene w/ Finn. When he sat back in the chair with his arms flat at his sides, he just looked so defeated.
December 4, 2012 at 9:49AM ESTDave is right - Finn is a kid who's been spoiled rotten and had his mistakes covered up his whole life. Now that he's a little older, he's starting to realize that this is wrong, but he still can't do anything about it. He'd be a great candidate to be "that" character for this show - the one that we look back on in a few years and say "I never thought I'd end up liking him". But we'll see I guess.
Oh, and even though Dana isn't "hot" in the traditional sense, Finn has probably had bimbos coming onto him for his wealth/stature since he hit puberty, so it doesn't surprise me that he'd dig chasing the one girl who's different and doesn't seem totally charmed by his status alone.
Dave I I would argue there is potential for Finn AND Chris. It is just up to the writers to develop them and do something with them. Nothing stupid, just make us care about them and have them act in very human ways. Understandable, logical ways, not crazy plot-device ways.
December 4, 2012 at 5:47PM ESTAnd Dana is fine. I'm 35 so no, she is not my cup of tea. But she seems like a reasonably attractive girl who is probably a LOT more interesting than most of the girls at that school. There is a certain appeal to somebody who goes against the grain, so I could absolutely see the connection.
-Cheers
Susan
December 3, 2012 at 1:31AM EST Reply to CommentCarrie should totally end up with Galvez in the end. He's so smart and nice, and he's an uber-cutie. Carrie is such a mess and needs a steady, reliable, honest guy like Galvez (who refuses to spy on her, and is respectful, resourceful, brave, and close to her level in the CIA vs a superior). He would probably be patient with her and put up with her mood disorder issues and remind her to sleep and take her meds when necessary. Any relationship with someone equally as high-maintenance as her would never work out.
She and Galvez should end up partnered together to save the country and each other from impending doom, and end up falling in love. Not only that, Galvez is Muslim, and it would be a good symbolic ending for the show, implying that America rejects terrorism, but embraces its Muslim citizens, which are two different things.
I am PRAYING for this plotline! Can we contact the writers and beg for this?
And if, as others have guessed, Galvez turns out to be the mole, it's going to make Homeland look extremely racist. They already have Roya, the Muslim journalist who is abetting terrorists. If the one Muslim CIA agent on the show is also abetting terrorists, it's going to look like racist typecasting on the part of the writers. I'm not Muslim, but if that's where they go with this story, I'll be deeply disappointed in this show. They better not go there...
kmoorej Signed, the actor who plays Galvez's mom
December 3, 2012 at 1:58AM ESTJohnO Just why the heck did Galvez leave his death bed and show up at headquarters? To watch Nazir buy Powerball tickets at a convenience store near 17th Street in our nation's Capitol? So I think you are on to something, Galvez and Carrie going off together perhaps to open a food truck serving Hallel dishes on the streets of NYC to keep tabs on Middle Eastern types in the Big Apple.
December 3, 2012 at 2:14AM ESTJamie Aileen was white....
December 3, 2012 at 5:14AM ESTmikeyb Galvez is the mole
December 3, 2012 at 7:23AM ESTJamie I think the mole is Max, Virgil's brother/ assistant. he is too creepy and has been in the show alot but kind of just under the radar. no one notices him but he is always there
December 3, 2012 at 3:48PM ESTHISLOCAL If Virgil's brother is the mole, it would explain why the mole knows such secretive stuff, like where Walden keeps his pacemaker case - he put spy cameras in there and watched.
December 4, 2012 at 9:52AM ESTMahmoud Fayed I don't think a comment has ever made me laugh as hard as this one. Bravo, Susan!
January 2, 2013 at 5:29PM ESTJaxemer11
December 3, 2012 at 1:33AM EST Reply to CommentChris isn't the first prop child in television, or even good television. I think the Dana stuff has just become completely absurd. I cringe everytime she has a scene.
Pretty ugly episode. Reminded me a lot of season 6 of 24. Everythng was so completely implausible, especially Brody yelling out Nazir's name in a condo unit right next to the CIA's and that just happens to be unlocked.
I honestly thought the character interactions were a little cartoonish this time too. The whole Nazir speech about doing what ever it takes and Carrie's retorts seemed very clunkily designed to make the audience think in a certain way. I dont think it really revealed much of anything about the characters, beyond the fact that I think Nazir really does (or did) love Brody.
Dave I @Jax, good points. Especially the whole "NAZIR" when you're in a CIA safe house/condo/whatever. You'd think he'd speak A)quieter and B) in code.
December 3, 2012 at 4:38PM ESTI do disagree about Dana. She can be off-putting, however I do like her character as a teen trying to find herself and do the right thing under difficult circumstances. I do not love everything they have done with the character, however do not hate her or find her absurd. I CAN see why she is not terribly loved, however I think the portrayal is actually not bad and if the character/actress grows into the role over time, it could be a pretty good thing.
-Cheers
HISLOCAL I don't mind Chris that much. He seems to be filling the role of the one family member that's NOT messed up and is oblivious to the tension between everyone else. I will say that it would probably work better if he was like 8 or 9, instead of 14 or whatever he is.
December 4, 2012 at 9:54AM ESTAnd yes, Brody repeatedly yelling "No Nazir!!! You better not do that Nazir!!!" in the safe house was by far the most implausible part of the episode.
ZoranB I agree with the "cringe" comment when it comes to her and Finn's scenes. I simply just forward through them. Not like anything they're going to say about their feelings will have anything to do with the main plot.
December 5, 2012 at 2:29PM ESTGreg
December 3, 2012 at 1:34AM EST Reply to CommentWith every episode it becomes more and more clear that this show is not the show we thought it was.
Robert So, to coin a cliche...stop watching
December 3, 2012 at 1:41AM ESTReader To Robert: This last metaphor is out of line, too.
December 3, 2012 at 6:17AM ESTRobert @Reader:
December 4, 2012 at 1:35AM ESTI was trolled. The only reason I came back here was to state that. Seems to happen a lot on this site...
Three Fly Jet Gee, sounds like a typical Showtime series to me. See also: Dexter, Californication, Weeds, The Big C. Only Shameless has ever shown improvement in its second season. Expect season 3 of Homeland to be pure and utter crap.
December 4, 2012 at 4:42PM ESTunclevanya It doesn't take many episodes to see if I will invest time in following it. The choices are many, This is good brain candy, it's predictable, well acted and a little absurd. but that's why they make chocolate and vanilla.
December 6, 2012 at 12:18AM ESTFOR ME. I love Breaking Bad. I think that's my "addiction" and nothing will ever compare. I like several, but Vince Gilligan and all of the writers in that show are the best. Just sayin. Enjoy
Jaxemer11
December 3, 2012 at 1:38AM EST Reply to CommentNow that Walden is gone, Brody is the logical person to take his place as Presidential candidate. Stranger things have happened in this universe.
alev Not gonna lie, the thought also crossed my mind. It would be a way to keep him around, certainly, if they so chose...
December 3, 2012 at 1:47AM ESTDave I @Alev, ditto. It actually makes sense since, well, the party needs a candidate, Brody has the appeal, and either side could prop him up in hopes of using him. It's preposterous, the man has no credentials for that, even VP was a stretch (yet one I was fine rolling with). Still, I can see them going that route, or going the complete opposite direction and Brody dropping off the reservation to disappear with his family, or hang out as Carrie's divorcee & absentee-father boyfriend.
December 3, 2012 at 4:43PM ESTAll of this presuming they do not just have Quinn shoot him as was their play as recently as last week's episode.
-Cheers
Jimbo Yea, the CIA is going to let him become the President of the United States lol.
December 3, 2012 at 4:55PM ESTDave I @Jimbo, they let him bring a cell phone into the high-security control room where they were orchestrating the mission to take out Nazir. Amongst other things. Letting Brody become the President of the United States of America is hardly the least plausible thing this show has done.
December 3, 2012 at 6:14PM EST-Cheers
Jaxemer11 Jimbo -
December 3, 2012 at 7:44PM ESTThey let him kill the Vice President (could have been stopped if they had been surveilling him as they should have). Why wouldn't they let him run for President?
HISLOCAL Well, they already told him they're not going to let him run for VP, so why would they change their mind and let him run for President?
December 4, 2012 at 9:58AM ESTThe only reason he's still in public, let alone a Congressman, is that they didn't want Nazir to know they caught Brody.
I don't think they'll kill Brody, but I see him being locked up and providing a Hannibal Lecter type role next year - Carrie goes to visit him and pick his brain.
Dave I @HISLOCAL, well, why did they keep him alive after they DIDN'T capture Nazir then not keep monitoring his phones afterward when they ostensibly didn't kill him because they needed him? Needed him for what? And if your theory is right, why not kill Brody at the end of the previous episode? At that point, Nazir HAD to know pretty instantaneously that Brody had been caught and had betrayed him.
December 4, 2012 at 5:42PM ESTNazir is still out there and I suspect they are going to try and use Brody as the bait to draw him out. As a Presidential candidate seems unlikely, although I just get the feeling that is where they are going with it. Presuming the general public would vote for him and in this world they are not having the CIA rig everything. That said, they were ready to pull the plug before when Brody's cover was blown, and letting him become the President of the U.S.A. would seem . . . risky. I am not sure what they are going to do (or CAN do for that matter) with Brody or the knowledge that he was a terrorist and, if they figure it out, that he was somehow responsible for helping Nazir kill the Vice President.
Then again, they DID sort of let him run around unsupervised as a loose canon which allowed all of this to happen. I can only hope and pray the CIA is not this incompetent in real life. Still, it made for some great interactions between the characters, and a bizarro love triangle with Brody, Carrie, and Nazir.
-Cheers
bmfc1 I agree that this could happen. Brody cries on camera "he died in my arms!" and is named VP. Then he gets the nomination. The CIA (which only emplys about 5 people) can't stop him because he says "yes!" right away. This is the way to keep him around for Season 3--is he helping to find Nazir, as he claims, or is there a terrorist in the White House? I hope not but after the last episode, I can see it happening.
December 6, 2012 at 9:16AM ESTunclevanya Brody is brainwashed. He will be a terrorist.
December 10, 2012 at 12:24AM ESTcultstatus
December 3, 2012 at 1:38AM EST Reply to CommentIt was an OK episode and I don't mind when they inject a little 24 DNA into the show.
Josh I wouldn't mind either, if it wasn't the bad 24 DNA. 24 did a lot of things well, the implausible plot turns weren't one of them.
December 3, 2012 at 1:57AM ESTGreg Grant
December 3, 2012 at 1:38AM EST Reply to CommentLiked the episode, but mainly because I was waiting to see what would happen next. "Homeland" is the kinda show that is best consumed whole. If you pause and get up to take a leak, or grab a water, and come back - your brain starts going, "Hang on, that didn't make any sense."
Abu Nazir sure seems to have as little or as many operatives as the plot dictates, and Brodie-Azir thing... yeah, just yeah. *head shake*
And no, Alan, Dana is not off the hook. She's still terrible. Still uses facial ticks and far off stares in place of characterization, and still too stupid to live by observing that she had no idea that the VP's son would be bailed out via money.
As for Chris, I'm okay with him. Because on a show where everyone has some kind of awkward flaw and tragic moment, he's just a random teenager who likes karate and Washington Wizards (poor bastard). He hasn't killed a guy, had an affair, or uses his hoodie to express faux-complexity. He's just a kid.
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December 3, 2012 at 1:46AM EST Reply to CommentThey DID comment on Galvez - "I thought you were at Walter Reed"
Mark M The only way that would be a sufficient comment for the situation is if this episode took place on the island.
December 3, 2012 at 2:23AM ESTchuckie
December 3, 2012 at 1:50AM EST Reply to CommentI did love the bit with the minuscule serial numbers. Been there many times myself. Though I agree that scheme was about as plausible as the season of 24 where hackers could melt down nuclear reactors.
And more so than most, this is an episode where being a DC native raised problems. "Get over to 17th Street!" Uh, 17th and what? It's miles long and very congested during the day. No one is getting broadsided in an intersection without dozens of witnesses, or running from an accident in an SUV. It sometimes takes me 10 minutes to drive one block. Also, if there's a stretch of Route 50 east of Chantilly as desolate as where Carrie was found, I and about 100 developers would like to know where it is.
aforkosh And , of course, how about that view of the 'D.C.' skyline from the hotel pool.
December 3, 2012 at 3:52AM ESTBy the way, the tall building with the cut-out roofline is apparently the Duke Energy Center in Charlotte. It was originally supposed to be the HQ of Wachovia Bank before the crises of 2007-2008 hit.
DonGately @AFORKOSH, this was distracting, I understand they can't always make it look like DC, but they could avoid making it look so obviously not-DC.
December 4, 2012 at 3:12PM ESTkmoorej
December 3, 2012 at 1:51AM EST Reply to CommentAt least it made sense that Carrie returned unarmed into the warehouse where the most dangerous terrorist in the world was hiding with a loaded weapon.
hunter I assume her mental illness was triggered again, like when she got bombed last year
December 3, 2012 at 2:36AM ESTJaxemer11 She had a pipe. I'm sure she could use it to bat down some bullets.
December 3, 2012 at 3:24AM ESTDave I What Jaxemer11 said. I saw video of Bruce Lee playing ping pong with nunchucks. If he can do that, certainly Carrie should be able to do something.
December 3, 2012 at 6:17PM EST-Cheers
unclevanya Why would Carrie try to get back to Nazir? Unless she wanted to save Brody and the phone. still kinda stupid. That part is ridiculous. Size 0 Carrie, with bi polar going on. Oh goodie "lets be a real hero"
December 6, 2012 at 12:22AM ESTEAS
December 3, 2012 at 1:57AM EST Reply to CommentHomeland became a different show tonight. As soon as Carrie got kidnapped by Abu-Nazir himself, we were no longer watching a smart, adult show about terrorism, war, and mental illness in the 21st century. We are now watching a standard issue political action thriller. That type of show can still be entertaining, but it doesn't carry the same weight that this show did last season.
John I think this is an excellent comment. Maybe it's because I had just gotten done watching an absolutely DREADFUL episode of Dexter (in which it basically threw away all the good stuff it had done this season), so my expectations had been lowered, but I actually liked this episode.
December 3, 2012 at 4:44AM ESTYeah, there were some implausibilities, but I honestly don't take TV dramas (no, not even The Wire) that seriously, so I guess I'm bothered by this stuff a bit less than many others. The pacemaker plot seemed plausible enough to me, but I don't work in that industry. And I actually liked that when Nazir left Carrie alone, he forgot to tie her legs. Just when I was making a mental note about that implausibility, he comes back in and ties them up. The thing that bugged me the most was that Brody could just go wherever he wanted in the VP's house without supervision.
And I wasn't crazy about the way it ended either, with a pipe-wielding Carrie going after Nazir alone. It really should have finished with the pounding of a ticking clock (again, that would be fine on 24, but it felt out of place here: Look, I knew Jack Bauer. Jack Bauer was a friend of mine. Carrie, you're no Jack Bauer).
But you're right on the money that the Homeland in tonight's episode was very different (and much closer to 24 than its ever been, which isn't necessarily a bad thing for me, but it would be disappointing for people not looking for that kind of show) than the show we've been watching up to this point.
Andrew Y Last night was hardly the straw that broke the credibility camel's back. That came much earlier this season. Despite last week's excellent episode this season has been a complete sh*t sandwich from start to finish. Terrible writing and lousy acting from the main characters. I will watch it but the days of telling people that this is a television show that s/b watching are long gone.
December 3, 2012 at 8:44AM ESTNat King Kong Not only that, Eas, but Nazir trusses our heroine up and takes her to ... an old mill??? I was waiting for Lassie to show up, then run to Saul for help. Good God.
December 3, 2012 at 2:14PM ESTMiles You put it perfectly. I felt like last night's episode transformed it into the kind of show that I could take or leave. Before, it was appointment television and I'd watch an episode twice just to pick up on minor plot points and character ticks.
December 3, 2012 at 3:23PM ESTNow, I'm putting it on roughly the same level as reality TV. I'll get up and go to the bathroom, I'll check my email, I'll flip to SNF to check the score, whatever. I won't have missed anything subtly important. Just sanctimonious dialogue and ridiculous spy hijinks.
Not saying I'm through watching it, but I'm certainly through caring enough to analyze it. It might even hold some "unintentional comedy" potential with the implausible plot development.
kronicfatigue THIS is the Homeland that I've always seen, and was perplexed by everyone else liking it. Season 1 is too far out of my head to even remember my complaints, but I always thought of it as a dressed up 24. Maybe Brody convincing Nazir on the fly and then killing Walker might be an example of season 1 nonsense. Meh, I don't care.
December 4, 2012 at 7:23PM ESTYou knew this show had no integrity the second Brody didn't execute his original plan. That was the story to tell. But they caved at the chance to milk Brody + Carrie for more money. Stretched out stories that lacked plausibility. It's at least somewhat satisfying to see other people finally come around.
Andrew Y Those are interesting points Kronic. I thought Season 1 for the most part was much stronger with better writing and more plausible but perhaps I was overlooking things. The last episode of S1 was ridiculous but so compelling that we probably overlooked it or just gave them more rope. I am sad to say that the writers were probably emboldened by the praise and the message board silence and just decided to throw a bunch of stuff against that wall not worrying about if it would stick. They clearly don't care anymore and judging by the ratings that isn't likely to change.
December 5, 2012 at 9:04AM ESTI would say I'd go back and watch S1 again to see what I missed but this year has been so terrible that I'm not going to reinvest more time.
Alfa Romeo
December 3, 2012 at 2:14AM EST Reply to CommentWhat Saul tells Carrie: "Do not go after Nazir. We are on our way."
What Carrie hears: "Immediately go after Nazir all by yourself."
Jamie sooooooo annoying. The writers have completely killed that character this season. Last season she was this dense and dynamic character and this season she's just this totally off-the-rails nutjob who has absolutely zero discretion. It really is such a shame.
December 3, 2012 at 5:19AM ESTJohn I think there's some truth to this. Also, is it just me, or is Danes' performance worse? I swear, every time she does that thing with her face (which is at least once an episode), I'm taken out of it because I immediately think, "acting." Don't get me wrong. She's still a really good actress. But the more I see, the less impressed I am.
December 3, 2012 at 4:30PM ESTpleonasm
December 3, 2012 at 2:17AM EST Reply to CommentAlan - I am, or was, a big Homeland fan as there is, but this episode was a train wreck of epic proportions.
In no particular order we have:
1. Nazir's "Bondesque" assassination backup plan including a trained programmer on site, or nearby, with the source code to a wireless pacemaker
2. The irritating and infuriating wrap up to the Dana and Finn story line. I like the actress who plays Dana as much as you, but wow that was awful.
3. Carrie, with a crowbar in hand, storming after Nazir in full on Jack Bauer mode
4. Nazir delivering his plan to Brody on Brody's bugged phone. Did the CIA just close shop on wiretapping Brody? After all, its not like there are any terrorists with a connection to our anti-hero still roaming about the Washington area.
4. Jessica and Mike's early morning makeout session by the front door.
5. Brody begging into his phone to spare Carrie's life. I was embarrassed for Damien Lewis.
Uggh... this was dreadful. F. Bolded Upper Case in Italics "F"!
Joshua Agree 100%. I'm thinking back to the great show last year centered on a soldier struggling with PTSD and a smart, capable woman struggling with bipolar disorder. This show they replaced it with is so very much worse.
December 3, 2012 at 3:37AM ESTSara Yes, Joshua, my feelings exactly especially on the Carrie front.
December 3, 2012 at 4:19AM ESTGotham Goddess May I?
December 3, 2012 at 11:04AM EST10. No Secret Service outside of the V.P.'s office after the V.P. arrives!
11. Brody yelling, "Nazir! Nazir!!" in the office of the V.P.
12. Brody yelling "Nazir, Nazir!" in an empty, echoey room at the safe house.
13. Brody having clearance to leave the safe house and see the V.P. without CIA knowing about it?
Nat King Kong 14. A 15-year-old with a laptop able to trigger a deadly heart attack for the Vice President of the United States from anyplace in the world with just one serial number.
December 3, 2012 at 2:21PM EST15. Brody actually trusting that the heart attack triggered by a 15-year-old with a laptop will be fatal, so he can reveal his true scheme to the V.P. "I'm killing you!"
16. The. Old. Mill.
17. The world's #1 most wanted terrorist running around kidnapping CIA agents, trussing them up and taking them to An Old Mill!
But Alan's "beard off" comment almost makes up for it. Brilliant!
jenny #4 is the killer. Really bad.
December 3, 2012 at 8:04PM ESTPatrick @ Gotham Goddess, I couldn't agree more about the ridiculousness of openly yelling Nazir! They can't use code names or better yet, not address each other by name? They are the only ones in the conversation, it seems unnecessary to constantly say each other's name
December 3, 2012 at 10:40PM ESTkronicfatigue Where's 6-9?
December 4, 2012 at 7:25PM EST6 Nazir knows where and when Carrie is driving
7 Nazir floors the gas at just the right second to hit, but not kill, Carrie.
8 Nazir, working alone, pulls Carrie out of the car and takes her to his Evil Lair.
kronicfatigue 9 Nobody sees this happen.
December 4, 2012 at 7:26PM ESTErika Herzog
December 3, 2012 at 2:17AM EST Reply to Commenti had at least 3 WTH moments during tonight's episode. the plotting was really annoying -- and the scene with Mandy P and F Murray A was not meaty enough -- or long enough -- or even interesting enough to be worthy of the chops of both men.
and could someone PLEASE rips those awful boots off Dana's feet and get her some shoes that don't annoy the heck out of me every time i see her?!?
i'm a long-time Damian Lewis fan -- and Claire Danes fan FWIW -- and this was sort of a bummer episode. i think the show is jumping the shark, and it makes me sad.
Jaxemer11 I hope that wasn't all we see of F Murray Abraham, but it seems like it might have been. That story line is falling flat.
December 3, 2012 at 3:28AM ESTKristen I liked her boots... it was the jeans that were troubling me. They looked like jeans a 60-year-old wears.
December 3, 2012 at 9:21AM ESTnic919 I agree with you on the boots. They look like she stole them from a homeless person and I could not help thinking that she was going to trip in them since they don't look to be tied in anyway. And while not up to date on what the teens are wearing these days, they did not even look that stylish to me. Doc Martens would have been a better choice.
December 3, 2012 at 10:04AM ESTJinjee I don't think it's unheard of for teens to become stubbornly attached to items of clothing that do not merit favor in the eyes of anyone else.
December 3, 2012 at 1:08PM ESTErika Herzog i didn't write the second comment. weird and lame, oh internet. sigh....
December 3, 2012 at 3:45PM ESThere's hoping F Murray Abraham will be back. i was sort of gearing up for the whole scene with Saul -- maybe that was just the warmup?
unclevanya Maybe after someone washes her hair! Her facial expressions are so painful! she looks like she constipated.! SHE a twisted sister, but hey that teenager has seen a lot. Maybe she saw a mother slip into Mikes room when they were hiding out. Jessica is either an idiot or a nyphomaniac.
December 6, 2012 at 12:27AM ESTMahmoud Fayed At first you get genuine, justified complaints about the episode that aired... and then you get people ragging on the lack of fashion on the characters in a show that does not focus on such nonsense. Sigh...
January 2, 2013 at 5:43PM ESTsick of 24 comparisons
December 3, 2012 at 2:21AM EST Reply to Commentlook, i didn't watch 24, but i'm really sick of critics/fans flipping out every time the plot on homeland veers into questionable territory. it's lazy and honestly super frustrating.
i know what it's like to be burned by a tv show; 24 seems to have caused some SERIOUS ptsd in its viewers.
Matt The creators of this show also worked on 24, and they've ruined this one in the same way. It's fair and logical to bring up when criticizing this show. No comparison could be more appropriate, unfortunately.
December 3, 2012 at 2:28AM ESTwithholding judgement you might be right, but i have a little more faith; they didn't create 24, though they worked on/wrote for it, and hopefully learned from its mistakes. i'm at least going to withhold judgement until the season finale this year, and i wish others would before declaring the show a repeat of 24's downfall. at the end of the season, i could easily be proved wrong! but homeland has built up enough goodwill (for me) that i'm willing to see where they take the story before deciding it has jumped the shark.
December 3, 2012 at 2:33AM ESTMatt I respect that, and I'll also watch the next two episodes for entertainment value, but I fear that if they do fix their course, it won't be until next season when they've been criticized all year for having Brodie die of strep throat caused by poison from a beach ball that Carrie gives to him as a present, or whatever they end up doing in the finale. I just feel like they've been on a terrible path since the great interrogation episode, and there's no pulling out of it from here until they re-group. And even then they may have permanently damaged the validity of the universe they created in the incredible first season. It's not the same show :/
December 3, 2012 at 2:53AM ESTrandy So you did not watch 24 and are tired of 24 comparisons because of what again? It is literally the most apt comparison, like that guy said
December 3, 2012 at 3:05AM ESTguest it's a lazy comparison because it's a shorthand!
December 3, 2012 at 3:21AM ESTJudgement on Human Race I hate everyone.
December 3, 2012 at 3:30AM ESTJaxemer11 What would you have fans do when it veers into questionable territory? Still like the show, but this episode was silly. It certainly isn't worthy of a Best Drama Emmy.
December 3, 2012 at 3:31AM ESTagree to disagree evaluate it on its own terms maybe? but i understand for some that means evaluating it within the context of 24! agree to disagree.
December 3, 2012 at 3:43AM ESTalso, the producers address all of this in an interview with the huffington post, just went live: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/02/homeland-brody-kills_n_2213510.html
Andrew Y I never watched 24. I didn't need to. The commercials alone were enough to tell me I'd hate it. But you don't need to have watched 24 to know that Homeland ran out of gas after season 1. The shows speak for themselves. They are having a bad season 2, with a record of perhaps 3-8. Hopefully with that terrible a record they can get a high draft pick and locate some writers and producers who can first apologize to the audience for insulting their intelligence and just end this after season 3 with some dignity intact. Dragging this out is what is killing the show.
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The HuffPost interview really only explains the pacemaker, which has already been covered in the media and would be easy to learn about via google.
Basically, his response to each issue is that "we thought about it" but he offers little to settle the contrivances and implausibilities. His only real defense is that Nazir could enter the country because in 2001 eighteen terrorists got into the US and attacked us. Yes, and nothing has changed at all since that event. I'm not actually arguing that Nazir couldn't get into the US, just to point out that this article (which is puff piece if ever there was one) doesn't actually make any of the plot problems easier to swallow. Honestly, the lack of any real thought or explanation here is more irritating than the actual plot contrivances.
I did enjoy the part where he bristles at a comparison to 24. Yes, it's the most significant entry in your resume, it got you this job, and this show is obviously similar. There are going to be comparisons, Mr Brommel. Especially when you turn your terrorist mastermind into a Bond villain.
Respectfully Disagree Whoops, sorry, not sure where that other stuff posting in my comment from. I must have cut and pasted something accidentally.
December 4, 2012 at 3:48PM ESTjoeyjojo "Yes, it's the most significant entry in your resume, it got you this job, and this show is obviously similar. There are going to be comparisons, Mr Brommel."
December 5, 2012 at 11:42PM ESTIt's funny, because Henry Brommel didn't write for '24' but, then again, he also didn't write the comment that you're criticizing him for.
unclevanya Wow I forgot it all won that Emmy. That goes to Breaking Bad. it's just more comfortable to give it to an unlikely political thriller.
December 6, 2012 at 12:35AM EST24, I watched that, it everyone compares it to that, there you have it it is a copy! not original. Another reason the Emmy was in the wrong hands. HOMELAND and all of show time has the limits to show a great deal of R rated scenes and off color language.
THAT'S what keeps them on. no major guidelines.
JohnO
December 3, 2012 at 2:23AM EST Reply to CommentI hope Nazir has a chance to check the numbers on the Powerball tickets he bought at the convenience store near 17th Street in our nation's Capitol.
Lee 4 8 15 16 23 42. The numbers are bad! Signed, Hugo Reyes
December 3, 2012 at 3:56AM ESTPringle
December 3, 2012 at 2:29AM EST Reply to CommentI found myself rooting for Nazir. I'm over Homeland... Ugh!
Pringle
December 3, 2012 at 2:31AM EST Reply to CommentI found myself rooting for Nazir. I'm over Homeland. It's become even more jingoistic than 24... Ugh!
Alfa Romeo
December 3, 2012 at 2:34AM EST Reply to CommentOn this show certain things have to be done the VERY instant some other event transpires. Last week Quinn's order was to kill Brody in the limo as soon as it is confirmed that Nazir is caught or dead. This week the moment Brody located the serial number he had to call Nazir from the VP's office immediately. Nazir's man had to instantly induce a heart attack the moment they knew the serial number.
Bananaman
December 3, 2012 at 2:34AM EST Reply to CommentAnd there was me thinking his name was Dara Dal!
Alfa Romeo
December 3, 2012 at 2:36AM EST Reply to CommentIn 'Previously on Homeland ...' they showed a shot of Roya and three other terrorists kneeling on the ground but I don't remember seeing that exact same shot last week.
alev ...I think you might be right!!!
December 3, 2012 at 3:30AM ESTDelta1212 Yeah, I seriously thought I'd missed an episode for a second.
December 3, 2012 at 11:32AM ESTykw
December 3, 2012 at 2:37AM EST Reply to CommentLiked the shoutout to Cheney w/r/t the remote controlled pacemaker. I think Chris is a goner -- he'll wind up as innocent collateral damage -- just like Isa -- probably at the hands of a CIA character.
kro_lin
December 3, 2012 at 2:42AM EST Reply to CommentI'm more interested in the plot than the characters for the most part now. The whole show is kind of silly, just like 24 was...and having expectations for Homeland that aren't much great than what I expected out of 24 has allowed me to enjoy the show.
Homeland is what it is...I'm good with that.
I do not like Mike, though. That actor/character is irritating.
Mahmoud Fayed Huh? What's wrong with Mike? He's a genuinely decent human bean.
January 2, 2013 at 5:47PM ESTAlfa Romeo
December 3, 2012 at 2:43AM EST Reply to CommentA VP invented the internet [ Al Gore :) ] and now internet was used to kill a VP (Walden).
junglejill
December 3, 2012 at 2:47AM EST Reply to CommentSo his name is Nazir abu Nazir? He named his firstborn son after himself? Of all the ways this show has stretched credibility, this is really the silliest.
Alfa Romeo
December 3, 2012 at 2:52AM EST Reply to CommentYes, we were indeed given the impression that Nazir wanted Walden dead as well as cause a mass casualty. If he only wanted Walden dead he could have done that with Walker, an expert sniper, last season. Walker deliberately missed his shot so the emergency protocol will kick in giving Brody the chance to blow up Walden and a whole lot of other people.
Dan
December 3, 2012 at 2:58AM EST Reply to CommentI see some of the points you make with the some down points in the episode. I don't think the 24-esque "plot holes" were that glaring (or as big as some actual plot holes in 2 of the last 3 seasons of 24). And at the very least the highs in the episode more than overshadowed the lows. Especially the scene where Brody kills the VP.
With Damian Lewis's acting, I thought it worked really well--it was a different style than usual, but there's no way the character can keep this together as well as he has been under these circumstances.
Also, Dana is way worse than Chris. Chris's ignorance at least provides ample comic relief. With Dana, I think I roll my eyes more than she does whenever she talks.
Also, I cannot believed they ended the show with Carrie going into a black room chasing after Abu Nazir armed with a pipe.
Alfa Romeo
December 3, 2012 at 3:00AM EST Reply to CommentIs Saul's life in danger from Estes/Quinn?
But now that the VP is dead the info about VP's involvement in the drone attack may not be so critical to threaten the lives of Brody/Saul.
S
December 3, 2012 at 3:15AM EST Reply to CommentMike is the mole...
Stan Chris is the mole..
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