Review: 'Girls' - 'One Man's Trash': Dancin' with Mr. Brownstone
Hannah and Patrick Wilson get to know each other in an unusual episode
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"Please don't tell anyone this, but I want to be happy." -Hannah
"Girls" is a divisive show to begin with — it's the only show I regularly review where the existence of the coverage itself seems to anger some people — and even among those who enjoy it with little or no reservation, "One Man's Trash" is going to be polarizing. Already, I've seen Twitter arguments among critics who saw it in advance, and I expect the comments here to be pretty lively on both sides of things.
Other than a brief (and amusing) cameo by Ray, "One Man's Trash" puts all the other "Girls" characters to the side for an interlude between Hannah and Patrick Wilson's handsome but lonely Joshua. Season 1 offered a similarly Hannah-centric outing with "The Return," but it felt like more a part of the show's world (despite taking place in Michigan) because her parents and her relationship with them was pre-established, and because her behavior in the episode was a direct reaction to what was going on with Adam, where "One Man's Trash" felt like an interlude unconnected to any "Girls" continuity other than Hannah's job at the coffee shop. A good chunk of the episode plays as real estate porn, as we get to admire how well Joshua (never Josh) has renovated and tricked out his brownstone, and much of the rest is Hannah having sex with a hot older guy. The entire episode builds to a big epiphany for Hannah about how she wants a normal life more than she would care to admit to anyone, but it takes a long time getting there.
For all those reasons, I can understand why anyone might find the episode self-indulgent, slow or otherwise difficult to sit through.
Me? I liked it, though it's one that's grown on me more as I've thought about it than when I watched it.
"One Man's Trash" reminded me of when an author of a series of novels I likes writes a short story about their hero or heroine. They're liberated from big plot arcs, action or the other prerequisites for the big books, and can simply tell a simpler tale touching on some aspect of the character it's not as easy to deal with in a novel. (To use a pop culture example that's 180 degrees from "Girls," Lee Child occasionally writes Jack Reacher short stories set in his childhood as a military brat or his early career in the Army.)
"Girls" isn't super-plotty to begin with, but there's still a bigger story being told each season about Hannah (and to a lesser extent Marnie, Jessa and Shoshanna); "One Man's Trash" was putting that on pause for a half-hour to take Hannah out of her comfort zone, in a circumstance that would force her to recognize something about herself that wouldn't likely come up in her usual mortifying, low-budget adventures. Give her this interlude with a man she might never have otherwise met, in an environment that feels as far from her existence as a space station on the moon might be (even thought it's only a few blocks), and give her the time to do nothing but have sex — with a seemingly uncomplicated, polite man who doesn't make Hannah devote most of her brainpower to analyzing his motives — and think, and admire a lifestyle she can't at the moment even dream of having, and this epiphany is possible. She needed all the handsome decor and frequent sex to get to that moment, which meant we needed to watch it so we'd understand how she got there.
And I like that it played as a Hannah Horvath epiphany, in that it was three parts reflection to one part the usual obliviousness. Like the "I'm the most scared person alive!" declaration from the season 1 finale, Hannah's pain still has to be more interesting and special than everyone else's, even as she's examining the idea that trying to live this unique life full of memorable but painful experiences is probably a bad idea. She unloads on Josh(ua) for not opening himself up to her, but every time he tried, she dismissed the information as less distinct and tragic as her own. Hannah discovers something she didn't know about herself, but she's still Hannah.
A fully reasonable, self-aware Hannah Horvath is the end of this show. But those moments when she comes very very close to answering Adam's question from that finale — "What the fuck is wrong with you?" — can be really interesting, particularly when you have Lena Dunham at the top of her game, Patrick Wilson being game, and great direction from Richard Shepard (particularly on that final shot of Hannah walking away, which felt very '70s New York cinema).
What did everybody else think? Was "One Man's Trash" a fascinating diversion, or did you lose your patience once you realized Ray wasn't coming back (and the others weren't appearing at all)?
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Next 188 CommentsJames
February 10, 2013 at 10:41PM EST Reply to CommentThis episode was deep. And we actually got to like Hannah a little. I think Hannah could use a more mature man to make her grow up a little.
svetlana Great episode. I never found patrick Wilson that attractive before but in this he looked so hot. I thought it was very realistic that someone like him would be with hannah, he's obviously very lonely and in need of affection and companionship ans she threw herself at him. I found it very sad that she sabotaged hersef...its like she couldnt believe it was happening to her so she had to ruin it before he had a chance to hurt her. I hope we see Joshua again, it was nice to have a cute guy to look at for once on this show.
February 11, 2013 at 7:18AM ESTbomato Really? I thought she was as annoying and selfish as ever. I disagree that this episode is about her epiphany. I think it's about her selfishness and her, well, her garbage. Great episode. Best yet!
February 11, 2013 at 2:08PM ESTStan
February 10, 2013 at 10:53PM EST Reply to CommentI didn't mind the episode, but I didn't really like it, if that makes sense. I just couldn't get into it. It felt like a dream sequence, or reminded me of the fantasy episode of Louie and his dream NY house. I kept expecting the ending to go back to the moment right before Hannah kisses Patrick, revealing that everything after that moment had just been imagined in her head. I know there are millions of shows of slobs dating/married to hot women, but I couldn't believe this Patrick character was interested in Hannah.
And then the monologue/ending did seem very art school. It was well done, but jarring compared to how I'm used to watching the show.
Tom I thought it was a dream sequence too, and the final monologue was rather corny. The rest of it was intense and fascinating, so I can forgive those flaws.
February 10, 2013 at 11:36PM ESTPopzillaJoe I was also reminded of Louie. It actually made me think that in many ways, Girls is actually less constrained in narrative than Louie, which is a high bar. It took us a while, but we eventually realized that most of Louie could be categorized as a series of vignettes and sometimes is a multiple episode arc story. That is pretty out of the box, but Girls is so much tougher to define, because you can't simply say, it has no structure.
February 11, 2013 at 1:50AM ESTAbout the monologue being corny - I can see why someone would say that because IT SOUNDED CORNY. But when someone who has poor self-awareness opens up, and needs to use corny sounding stuff to get to the bottom of something that isn't trite at all, that isn't corny to me.
rico suave This was my very least favorite episode of the series. It felt contrived, driven by the desire of the plot, and totally not to be believed. I always admire the actor's bravery, but realistically, the chances of this ever happening to her are, let's face it, about a zillion to one.
February 11, 2013 at 10:44AM ESTNow, on the other hand, if this had been Marnie hooking up with the doctor and learning difficult lessons about herself, I could have bought into it.
bomato Art school because that's how she is. To her it was a realization. To him it was, perhaps, self indulgent drivel. I don't think she found out anything meaningful about herself...Just that she's as bourgeois as, well...as she is. Great episode!
February 11, 2013 at 1:47PM ESTStan I meant art school in how it was filmed and acted. As Peter Griffin would say, "I'm very AWARE that I'm watching a TV show."
February 11, 2013 at 5:57PM ESTbomato How was the filming art school? I thought this was a very strong directorial effort. Writing and directing. I love more realistic time-frames. It adds immediacy and realism.
February 11, 2013 at 10:34PM ESTL.A. Why can we only buy into it when great looking people hook up with great looking people? (Marnie w/Hot Doctor suggestion) Isn't good art supposed to challenge what we've grown accustomed to? Maybe it was her youth and her daring to kiss him without being expected to that he found appealing.
February 11, 2013 at 10:46PM ESTjoel Haha, you guys are so funny. Yeah, it's so unbelievable that a 42 year-old guy on the rebound from a failing marriage would take advantage of the opportunity for a couple days of sex with a 24 year-old who literally throws herself at him. I've known plenty of guys, either breaking off long-term relationships or getting divorces, who dive into short-term sex-centric flings with younger women just to feel better about themselves. Hannah may not be your physical ideal, but given the circumstances I could easily see why Joshua would get in her pants.
February 12, 2013 at 1:17PM ESTI think its laughable that once again people assume Marnie is the only female character on this show anyone would be attracted to.
Mary Demarco
February 10, 2013 at 11:06PM EST Reply to CommentI was riveted. Especially significant to me was when she fainted in the shower. LIke the whole thing was just too much for her and she needed to go away for a bit. Although, I feel Joshua's character was just too hot for this role. Didnt quite equate.
Liz I agree about the casting for Josh. Maybe it's just because I think Patrick Wilson is a golden god, but putting him in this role made the Josh/Hannah relationship (or "relationship," I suppose) feel a bit too much like wish fulfillment. Going even one step down on the hotness scale would have made more sense to me. Otherwise, fantastic episode.
February 10, 2013 at 11:25PM ESTGRubi "Wish fulfuillment" may have been the intent. I've heard from several people that they believe that everything that happens after she leave's Grumpy's is a dream/fantasy. If that was Dunham's intent, then an actor who can be seen as "golden god" as you put it, is the perfect choice.
February 11, 2013 at 2:17AM ESTguest It occurred to me that this episode might be one of Hannah's personal essays come to life. Did the argument in Grumpy's 'actually happen' and then Hannah embellished the rest of the story as a way of communicating why she "let's people say things about her" and feels driven to experience experiences? Just a thought.
February 11, 2013 at 2:27PM ESTBosApollo
February 10, 2013 at 11:24PM EST Reply to CommentHoly crap! That was intimate! I was blushing at some points and it takes ALOT for THAT to happen!
Also every time Hannah shows her boobs I think its hysterical now. Love this show. Makes me weird lol.
rcade Her nudity cracks me up too. I was uncomfortable the first 20 times I saw it, but now I'm more comfortable with her nude body than my own.
February 11, 2013 at 9:05AM ESTBosApollo
February 10, 2013 at 11:24PM EST Reply to CommentWrite a comment...Holy crap! That was intimate! I was blushing at some points and it takes ALOT for THAT to happen!
Also every time Hannah shows her boobs I think its hysterical now. Love this show. Makes me weird lol.
BosApollo
February 10, 2013 at 11:25PM EST Reply to Commentdamn posted twice. Hate when that happens.
Teddy Thrice!
February 11, 2013 at 8:06AM ESTTom
February 10, 2013 at 11:28PM EST Reply to CommentIt was an intense and strangely moving episode, but ultimately, Hannah screwed it up yet again. She had so many opportunities for real intimacy with Joshua, but she was too clueless to recognize them. Once he saw how truly immature and oblivious and self-indulgent she was, he was done. I wish he had told her why he suddenly lost his interest in her, because watching her wrestle with THAT epiphany would be awesome to behold.
Kyle Yeah, I loved how polite Joshua was (in stark contrast to the typical character on Girls), but I'm with you, Tom, I was waiting for Joshua to be honest and tell Hannah how self-indulgent she was being. Props to Patrick Wilson, though, for being able to get across how annoyed he was with Hannah's immaturity without actually saying it.
February 10, 2013 at 11:33PM ESTJerseyRudy My take is that Hannah sabotaged the relationship. Beginning with fainting in the shower. She would have kept on talking about herself in the bedroom scene until she got the "I am done" reaction from Josh(ua).
February 10, 2013 at 11:56PM ESTHannah might want that type of life one day, but she is not ready for it yet. Rather than let the relationship take its course organically and end perhaps painfully, she decided to end it quickly before she got too emotionally invested.
Once she told him that at the age of 3 she made up the story about her babysitter touching her inappropriately, I took it as the Hannah version of a "sexit."
Tom So you thought she alienated Joshua on purpose with her bedroom monologue? I can see that, but I think all the alienating that went up up to that point was unintentional. She sensed it wasn't going to work but I still do not think she knows why, at all.
February 11, 2013 at 12:11AM ESTJerseyRudy I don't think she had alienated him up to that point. She assumed that it would end both the night before and the next morning, and both times he convinced her to stay.
February 11, 2013 at 7:08AM ESTThe scene when they were sitting at the table and she watches him read the newspaper seemed to be the point at which she decided this was not the relationship she was ready for. From that point on it was alienation
svetlana Rudy..I think your take on the scene where she was watching him is interesting. I thought she was staring at him because she couldnt believe she was with someone so hot and that he actually liked her. I think you're probably right though.
February 11, 2013 at 7:32AM ESTLisa I think Hannah felt so comfortable in this nice home, with this nice, normal guy, that she did let down her guard and sort of freak out. Yes, she sabotaged any possible relationship, but it was not intentional.
February 11, 2013 at 1:01PM ESTI very much liked the shot of her walking away from the house the next day, carrying nothing, just the way she had arrived.
This could easily have been an episode of Louie. Well done, Girls.
Joe
February 10, 2013 at 11:30PM EST Reply to CommentI'm with you. As soon as I finished watching this episode I thought it would be polarizing but I liked it. I watch the show with my wife and she thought it was terrible and I liked it. So continues the legacy of this show.
L.A. Seems like my women friends don't like the show because they can't reconcile a confident, naked female body that is not 'hot' in the least -yet she's having a lot of randy sex. Women are more turned off by lumpy lady parts than any guy ever is.
February 11, 2013 at 10:55PM ESTKyle
February 10, 2013 at 11:30PM EST Reply to CommentI loved this episode. I loved the uncertainty of their sexcapade. I thought one of the sex scenes was gratuitous (the one where she tells Joshua to make her cum), but overall I thought this was a very moving, meditative, and poetic episode.
I wonder if the ending, with Hannah leaving Joshua's house (possibly for good), was actually indicative of a realization that she DOESN'T want a more traditional life with more traditional happiness in a more traditional role. Hannah is an alternative girl, and although she had just said the night before that she DOES want a more traditional happiness with "all the things," perhaps being in his house alone and partaking in some of those things--enjoying her breakfast outside on the ideal patio of his ideal house--made her realize that a more traditional woman's role ISN'T what she wants. Just one interpretation to think about.
Tom Oh, I think she wants it, but I think she has absolutely no idea whatsoever how she will ever get it. I mean, there was a sliver of a possible future for her, if she had played her cards right with Joshua, but she blew it utterly without even realizing how or why. She has a lot of growing up to do, and I found this to be a pretty tragic episode.
February 11, 2013 at 12:24AM ESTKendra But what Hannah said she realized she wanted wasn't really about a 'traditional woman's role.' What she said she realized is that she felt lonely. What she wanted is for someone to hold her and look at her the way Joshua had been. In other words, she wanted to be loved and feel loved. Alternative or not, that's a basic human desire a lot of people feel. As is the desire for having food, a nice home...etc.
February 11, 2013 at 2:40AM ESTSmiles I think she does want a traditional life ( by that I mean when the doctor has the day off). Secluded in a warm caccoon. With a fridge full of nice things , a person who cares for her in a doting way & full of comfortable adventures . She wants that life on holiday. When he goes to work - she is more lonely than before. Even the color tones went from warm sunshine ( while she watches him read the paper). To when she was alone reading the paper. And at the end of the day. Wanting to be happy = not being lonley.
February 11, 2013 at 4:09AM ESTrcade I didn't think it was about wanting to love and be loved. I think she's afraid of being ordinary, and wanting the nice house, nice husband and nice stuff is something she sees as failure. Admitting she wants that stuff is a concession to prosaic values.
February 11, 2013 at 9:27AM ESTRepeat43
February 10, 2013 at 11:40PM EST Reply to CommentThe idea that Hanna's character, dumpy and dumpier, without the help of an alter-ego author, could ever be swept away on an afternoon, sexual jaunt with a rich, handsome, physician is absurd. I understand the concept of suspension of disbelief, but it would take an entire breakdown of disbelief to become aroused over a character who dresses like a cartoon character, has a body of play dough, an the intellect of an infant.
James "body of play dough" Thats a bit sexist and prejudiced against fat women.
February 10, 2013 at 11:50PM ESTj Yeah it's crazy that a lonely guy, recently separated, would take up with a twenty-four-year old who offered herself up to him in his own house. Attractive men never have random hookups.
February 10, 2013 at 11:53PM ESTSeriously, get over yourself. Just because YOU wouldn't do it, doesn't mean a character wouldn't.
Tom I don't know, I thought she did look beautiful in this episode. Some guys like girls who are shaped like that, and I think she looked especially good this episode. Not all men like stick thin women. Hannah is definitely someone's type.
February 11, 2013 at 12:15AM ESTGRubi I usually think Hannah is fairly unattractive (especially with those tattoos), but I agree with Tom. I can't put my finger on it, but she looked much more attractive than usual in this episode.
February 11, 2013 at 2:20AM ESTAndrew Y Nailed it Repeat43. Thanks for writing it even though I am sure you will be hit repeatedly with the knee jerk sexist paintbrush which will come from people who probably hope that some fairy tail relationship where an extremely good looking successful and wealthy person allows another person about 15 flights below what is realistic to enter their lives even for a day or 2 can really happen.
February 11, 2013 at 8:40AM ESTrcade Hannah has a normal shaped body, not what passes for normal on television. I didn't find it impossible that a lonely handsome doctor would find her attractive. She is charismatic, young and available.
February 11, 2013 at 9:17AM ESTAnd she delivered herself to him like a pizza.
A guy in his 40s might find a wider range of women attractive. Or he might be (gasp) attracted to Rubenesque women. These things do happen.
mcm99 The thing is, Andrew Y, it happens all the time the other way around and no one feels the inability to suspend disbelief. It is only when the woman is perceived to be "15 flights below" (which I disagree with in the context of this ep) that suddenly it becomes unbelievable. That is sexism.
February 11, 2013 at 9:27AM ESTDG419 Reply to comment...
February 11, 2013 at 10:37AM ESTAndrew Y If her body is considered normal for a mid 20's person, no wonder the country is facing such a health care crisis. But I don't really believe that her body is 'normal' . We hire a lot of people out of college and virtually no one looks like that. She would be in the lower quartile for sure. I am not saying that she doesn't at times have an attractive face, but she is clearly making a point with the outfits she chooses to wear. They do not flatter her figure at all.
February 11, 2013 at 10:40AM ESTAnd MCM99, that is the typical knee jerk response I expected. And totally off the mark. As we've said throughout, it is equally as unbelievable when the man (call him Costanza) is physically less attractive. It has nothing to do with sexism.
John James, I'm not sure if you are trying to be sarcastic (always tough to gauge on the interwebs), but if not, I suggest you look up the definition of sexist. While the comment may have been a bit crass, at no point was it sexist.
February 11, 2013 at 10:44AM ESTDG419 I don't know, I'm a female New Yorker (well, Brooklynite), in my early 30's and I don't think it's sexist to voice the opinion that physically, Hannah is not what most hot, rich men in their early 40s are looking for, particulary in NYC. I found myself thinking yeah right through most of this episode. And absoultly, beautiful young women hook up with unattractive older men frequently with no question, but that's the way the world goes round. You don't see it in reverse often because it almost never happens (in my experience). Despite that, I loved this episode, and I agree with the commenters who compared it to something you would see on Louie. It felt slightly disconnected from the rest of the current story lines (in a good way), and I'll be interested to see if her epiphany regarding wanting the "good things" comes up again.
February 11, 2013 at 10:45AM ESTDB3D Yeah it was a real stretch that she could hook up with Joshua, esp. in NYC but I did enjoy seeing HAnna FINALLY have a small glimmer of actual awareness. Which she promtly buried of course under a pile of her usual ego drivel. Oh well...
February 11, 2013 at 1:56PM ESTYES: The episode DID look different for some very concrete reasons. Part of the dream-like aspect of this episode was showing how Hanna CAN look nice when put in better light, better fitting clothing, and with more flattering camera lenses. As an avid film and cinematography fan it sometimes seemed almost blatantly funny how hard they pushed this. A few shots of Hanna even had softening filters on the lens: standard romantic comedy (or any romance) film and TV technique. The lighting was soft and natural with a shortened depth of field. Her clothing (borrowed) was darker and of softer/finer knitted materials. Her hair was softer and better groomed than usual.
Contrasting with all the other episodes, aside from purposely giving Hanna the most unflattering clothing possible, more often than not the lighting is slightly greenish, or harsh outdoor sun and much less from the side, which flattens out features. Even a beatiful model would look a lot less so if subjected to the clothing and film techniques Hanna goes through. I sometimes wonder if Dunham has a serious self-loathing to be so punishing to her own image.
TMT Completely agree. If this was a one-time occurrence on the show I'd let it slide, but this season has been absurd. First Donald Glover, now Patrick Wilson. 7's date 7's, 10's date 10's, 5's date 5's; that's just how life works out.
February 13, 2013 at 3:18AM ESTOf course this happens in other shows and often with the reversal of roles as someone else mentioned (George Costanza is the perfect example), but Seinfeld never hung its hat on realism. I applauded the casting of Adam in the first season. This show needs to figure out what it is.
jebreject There's a longstanding pop culture trope that we all easily accept, that Ralph can have Alice, that Homer can have Marge, that Fred can have Wilma, that Doug can have Carrie, or whatever. We accept this without question, even though those characters are often just as clueless, self-obsessed, and unlikable as Hannah. In those cases, we're expected to believe not only that these characters hooked up, but that they've been able to maintain (more or less) healthy marriages. Yet we can't accept that Hannah could possibly ever land someone like Joshua. We are constantly asked to look past men's (physical and/or emotional) unattractiveness, but we couldn't possibly do that when asked to do the same--honestly, when asked to do far, far less--for a woman like Lena Dunham.
February 24, 2013 at 10:27AM ESTdbowker3d @JEBREJECT: Well, two of those examples are animated cartoons, and none of the four display "more or less healthy relationships". Part of the humor/commentary is of the wives suffering through the buffoonery of their spouses. But you forget, what we are really asked to believe is that AT SOME POINT the two people were compatible, and said male oafs had more to offer. After that it's just inertia. This actually is quite common (in both directions) and one only has to look at a couple that has been married for 10+ years and then look at their wedding pictures to see how much can change.
February 24, 2013 at 11:18AM ESTWhat is less believable is such an asymmetric coupling will happen at the start. And divorced men or women USUALLY become more choosey with the experience they now have. Many a poor decision for a mate is simply youthful foolishness. A 40 year old is not going to looking for the low hanging fruit, not in my experience. And I don't buy movies when some fat dorky guy gets the hot girl either. I've met some couples who look like that now, but again, when they met it was a different story.
jebreject A cartoon can still affirm popular television tropes, so I don't see how that makes a difference. The relationships are "more or less healthy" because as dysfunctional as they often are, at the end of the day, there is love between the spouses (and their families, if they have them) and everything works out. They are relationships that have been maintained. I understand your argument about inertia and buy it to a certain extent, but I think it relies on a lot of assumptions.
February 24, 2013 at 11:44AM ESTAnd your knowledge of the dating habits of divorced men is based on what exactly? Keep in mind that Joshua was portrayed as being incredibly isolated and lonely. We don't get a lot of insight into his character, since Hannah talks all over him and stops him when he does try to open up (my problems are more real than your problems), but I don't think it takes much work to infer that he's emotionally messed up, and that he was long before he got divorced. He may present himself as being together, but isn't that part of the point of this show? That no one is how they are attempting to present themselves? It's a show that's about pretension and posturing and the gulf between action and thought as much as anything else.
But all of that distracts from the fact that it's deeply messed up that we would even need to suggest that the only way someone as conventionally attractive as Joshua would go for someone as conventionally unattractive as Hannah is because he's emotionally messed up. I mean, this entire discussion revolves around only the physicality of these characters, how their attractiveness rates on a made up scale that unfortunately has embedded itself in our culture.
Because you know what? In real life, people have different tastes. In real life, sometimes "hot" guys like chubby women. Sometimes "hot" girls like dudes that are total schlubs. Attraction isn't based on a scale. It may be informed by convention and conditioning, but at the end of the day, attraction can be about any number of things, and often times those things have very little to do with physical appearance. Sometimes attraction is about little more than convenience, or filling a need you didn't realize you had. I think the conversation around this episode betrays how deeply sexist our culture actually is, and how skewed our notion of attraction is toward convention and conditioning. When you think about your partner and what you like about her (assuming you're a het dude, if not my apologies), do you think only of her amazing body? I would imagine not. So why should we be expected to believe that that's all that matters?
dbowker3d My knowledge of 40+ divorced men is based on myself and 4-5 others, as well as a few women too. Not a scientific sampling granted, but a realistic observation. Not just more choosey but also more appreciative of a good mate the second time around too.
February 24, 2013 at 11:59AM ESTMostly good points though, and again, it all goes both ways, for me at least. It's not just about women, not at all. And absolutely, "hot, but stupid, mean or annoying" is highly unattractive in either sex! And actually I think that is a part of this Hannah equation most of us here are questioning: She is not hot, dresses badly, is self-absorbed, critical, often mean and uncaring. She can be funny and witty too, but the balance sheet is not exactly in her favor. Don't think everyone here is looking for this episode to represent ALL couples and situations. But seriously, if she were stellar on the manners and personality side I doubt the episode would have felt such a stretch.
Andrew Y love the Balance sheet comment DBOWKER. Her balance sheet is definitely on the insolvent side. Liabilities far outpace her assets. And really glad we can all agree that none of this is sexist. Unattractive is unattractive regardless of gender.
February 24, 2013 at 12:45PM ESTsrpad
February 10, 2013 at 11:49PM EST Reply to CommentI enjoyed this episode. Describing it like a short story was apt. I found myself literally rolling my eyes at one point but that is a good thing. Hannah is insufferable. What many people who hate this show choose to ignore is that Lena Dunham is an actress playing an insufferable character not being herself.
NR
February 10, 2013 at 11:52PM EST Reply to CommentOh boy, this episode made me angry. More than usual. I don't know if it was the ridiculous wish fulfillment writing of hooking up with a lonely Patrick Wilson, or the predictable ending of Hannah somehow screwing a good thing up, but the claim of this show being "So different from Sex and the City" just became erroneous. This was precisely a Sex... type story. Not grounded in any reality that I know of. I kept wishing for a cut away to another character, it was hard to watch. Though I wasn't entertained by the story, I do appreciate the writing. I don't think it made Hannah more likable, but it does always make Lena more likable when she can pull off writing and acting a girl so oblivious that she accuses a man of not opening up to her while simultaneously proving she doesn't listen the few times he tried. That ain't easy and I commend her for that.
Jack Disagree. His reaction to her self indulgence by leaving her is realistic.
February 11, 2013 at 12:02AM ESTPopzillaJoe Yikes - this is nothing like Sex in the City. That was so much more glamorized and melodramatic. I liked SATC, but they share nothing. This show strikes me as uber-realistic. Not to hate,but maybe you didn't have a lot of weird things happen to you, but this didn't strike me as implausible by any stretch. Just awesome.
February 11, 2013 at 1:55AM ESTGRubi I to was wishing they would cut to another character, but I strongly disagree with your Sex and the City comment. Sex and the City would never to an episode this raw.
February 11, 2013 at 2:21AM ESTMeg This reminded me of early S&TC, which was often a lot more emotionally interesting than the "Yay, fashion and material possessions!" of later seasons. There's an episode early on called "The Freak Show" that is VERY much like this episode of Girls. It ends with Carrie totally blowing it with a too-good-to-be-true guy when he leaves her alone in his apartment. She freaks out, rifles through his things looking for his secret flaw, and he comes home to find her smoking a cigarette and trying to pick the lock on a box of mementos from the back of his closet, and promptly throws her out.
February 11, 2013 at 1:35PM ESTBosApollo
February 10, 2013 at 11:53PM EST Reply to CommentLooks like more "boys" are watching "Girls" then girls are....just saying..:)
James Not entirely true. The live ratings don't mean anything to HBO. Lots of the younger demographic that watches it, watches OnDemand/DVR.
February 10, 2013 at 11:58PM ESTThe traditional ways of watching tv are changing.
James When OnDemand/DVR/ HBO Go ratings are factored in, the ratings go up to between 4-5 million.
February 11, 2013 at 12:04AM ESTBlake Lively Commenter
February 11, 2013 at 12:07AM EST Reply to CommentI liked that Hanna throws her trash out, even after she finds the dumpster key, in someone else's trash cans. Hanna them dumps herself into a stranger's life for the next few days. It hints at the upcoming rant, when she describes herself as broken, trash-like.
Wally
February 11, 2013 at 12:07AM EST Reply to CommentGood show, but still fails to qualify as a "comedy." When is Veep coming back?
joel There's this thing called the internet, and a service called google. Maybe you answer your own question, rather than posting it here every week.
February 12, 2013 at 1:24PM ESTZach L
February 11, 2013 at 12:22AM EST Reply to CommentI'm glad they left Jessa out of this ep but did miss Marnie and Shoshanna.
Laurie
February 11, 2013 at 12:46AM EST Reply to CommentBrave,intimate,its own story - almost unrelated to the series but for the continuity of Hannah. It was king of amazing. When they were playing ping pong, when it's just so perfect she spills open, and you think Wow that's how it works. Except a moment after it has not worked at all. And she calls him on it. And when she walks away from the beautiful home en route to her quest of her life, you applaud.
Laurie
February 11, 2013 at 12:48AM EST Reply to CommentWrite a comment...Brave,intimate,its own story - almost unrelated to the series but for the continuity of Hannah. It was king of amazing. When they were playing ping pong, when it's just so perfect she spills open, and you think Wow that's how it works. Except a moment after it has not worked at all. And she calls him on it. And when she walks away from the beautiful home en route to her quest of her life, you applaud.
Tom I totally did not applaud. I felt, oh god, Hannah, you have no idea what happened there! And until you figure it out, you are never going to be happy. The incongruence between what Hannah thinks she wants and how Hannah treats people who might love her is making it impossible for her to be happy. I hope she wises up, but then the show would be over.
February 11, 2013 at 12:58AM ESTZarlo
February 11, 2013 at 1:25AM ESTI think you missed the point here. That scene was Hannah screwing up. It was the dramatic equivalent of her comedic screw-up in season 1 when her job interview was going well until she torpedoed it with a ridiculously inappropriate joke.
She gave way too information way too early and the content of the information revealed a lot of her character flaws which would not be appealing to a guy in his 40's who outgrew that sort of thing a long time ago. The point of the scene was that Hannah almost got what she wanted, but self-destructed again at the last moment, just as she did with Donald Glovers character in the 2nd episode this season.
Kendra Not quite. She opened up and when he tried to the same, she shut him down telling him that what happened to him at 9 wasn't as bad as what happened to her (although she doesn't even know if it really happened). And then she called him Josh, got the town of where his wifed moved to and the circumstances of their split wrong. He was polite but he was pulling away not because of what she purposely revealed but what she unintentionally revealed.
February 11, 2013 at 2:47AM ESTTank
February 11, 2013 at 12:59AM EST Reply to CommentIs there any chance Lena Dunham can NOT be naked on my television one of these weeks?
Jack You wouldn't be saying that if she were hot. Why do people have a problem with looking at an average body every episode?
February 11, 2013 at 1:25AM ESTLN dude...just don't watch
February 11, 2013 at 1:29AM ESTTank You actually have no idea what I would be saying. Gratuitous nudity is gratuitous nudity, whether the person in question is appealing or not. The writing is witty and clever; I'm pretty certain we'd survive if nobody disrobed. It's her right to decide to be naked every week, just as it's my right to decide to stop watching the show. And I'm just about there.
February 11, 2013 at 1:33AM ESTTank LN, I *want* to watch. The show has amazing potential. I just don't want Lena Dunham's nudity shoved down my throat every week, and I won't apologize for that.
February 11, 2013 at 1:34AM ESTLN fine, rant on, continue to make most of the women reading these comments feel uncomfortable, your opinion of Lena Dunham's naked body is certainly a valuable contribution to this discussion
February 11, 2013 at 2:17AM ESTTank And your rebuttals have been captivating so far. If it makes you feel any better, I also didn't appreciate Tom Fontana showing us prison CRANK shots in Oz every week, either. I hope I didn't just make most of the men reading these comments feel uncomfortable.
February 11, 2013 at 2:22AM ESTLN Hannah's sex life is a part of Girls, if you've got some personal anxieties about gender or sexuality that make it difficult for you to enjoy the show then I feel bad for you, but that's your problem and your loss
February 11, 2013 at 2:36AM ESTTank Well thank God this is on HBO then! If only network television shows could find a way to give us a glimpse into a character's sex life without actually showing them naked. It's probably impossible....
February 11, 2013 at 2:40AM EST
She's not hot though. If Marny was naked every episode it would be great.
February 11, 2013 at 3:04AM ESTTank I'm not trying to make this a "Hot or Not?" issue. I have not said a single mean-spirited thing about Dunham's appearance. However, she has taken it upon herself to address her constant nudity and the fact she's not a typical sex symbol. Her stance is basically "Get used to it because I'm going to keep getting naked." I'm not making that up, and the interviews aren't hard to find. So to me, it feels like she KNOWS she isn't the ideal woman to most men, and since she has a lot of creative input on the show, she'll use every bit of it to show us how courageous and liberated she is. Large women are people too!!! But that's not the message I'm getting. The message I'm getting is "FUCK YOU if you don't want to see me naked, because I'm going to be naked week after week after week, and you are just going to have to live with it." But less is more, sometimes. This is definitely one of those times.
February 11, 2013 at 3:17AM ESTviolette Far fewer people would watch the show without the gratuitous nudity. Lena does it for ratings, and she knows it. The insufferable characters and uneven writing certainly would not draw as many viewers without it.
February 11, 2013 at 3:54AM ESTPA As a woman, the message I'm getting IS liberating. Seeing a completely normal* woman naked on tv? AWESOME. Someone adressing the fact that they're not a sex symbol yet get naked? AWESOME.
February 11, 2013 at 6:44AM ESTEven if it was, for her, only about her showing "how courageous and liberated she is" (this is actually a really strange thing to accuse someone of when showing that it's courageous is kinda normal when... something /is/ courageous!), that doesn't matter much when the effects are a lot bigger than her.
(*Lena Durham is only a large woman by tv's ridiculous standards, really)
svetlana Im kind of sick of seeing her naked too. It's one thing to be naked in sex scenes but topless ping pong is a bit much. I understand what lena dunham is trying to do by being naked but it gets old. We've seen it all already and at this point seeing her in a flattering outfit that actually fits would be more shocking than the nudity.
February 11, 2013 at 7:26AM ESTrcade Since we've all seen it already, why does it bother anybody any more? It's a defining trait of the show now.
February 11, 2013 at 9:22AM ESTAlison Man, this culture seriously has to get over being so freaked out by nudity.
February 11, 2013 at 4:16PM ESTJaxemer11 Violette ... are you serious? You think people watch this show to see Lena Dunham get naked? Give me a break. They watch it in spite of her gratuitous (in every sense of the word) nudity, and many (including myself) are about ready to STOP watching it because of it. It is unnecessary and detracts from an otherwise witty and sometimes profound show.
February 17, 2013 at 3:10PM ESTJaxemer11 Man ... maybe this culture should stop trying to shove their values down everyone else's throats.
February 17, 2013 at 3:11PM ESTjutz_holtzman
February 11, 2013 at 1:32AM EST Reply to CommentI really really loved this. This episode felt very "Louie", in a good way! The attractiveness of the man or practicality of the story didn't matter. The scenario just created the perfect backdrop to highlight Hannah's selfishness/esteem issues. Here was this kind, loving man, perfect job, brownstone, the dream. Yet she cut off his attempts to open up to her and couldn't listen long enough to learn his name. The question of if she recognized exactly what happened here and why, is what we are left with. I'm guessing not completely. I thought she looked so natural and beautiful, her acting was impressive. The the direction had a uniquely intimate feeling. Emmy submission???
Mark
February 11, 2013 at 1:37AM EST Reply to CommentSo she leaves the front door unlocked? or.....
duranimal I think most apartments in NY have doors that automatically lock behind you.
February 12, 2013 at 4:37AM ESTMhbazzi
February 11, 2013 at 1:38AM EST Reply to CommentBest short movie I've seen on tv in a very long time. I don't think that episode was meant to have anything to do w the season's story lines or what we know of the characters. That was its own independent stand alone short film about a girl who finds herself in the absolute perfect scenario she's secretly always dreamed of, but awake enough to know its only a dream and that it won't last and takes control of her dream and calls it out. Masterpiece.
Mark
February 11, 2013 at 1:39AM EST Reply to CommentI agree with Tank, and it'd not just her body type. I got sit of seeing Paz de la huerta (I think that's her name) get naked EVERY week in Boardwalk empire. I mean really, sex naked, shower sitting naked, and Ping-Pong naked?
Jayne ..jar-opening naked? :)
February 11, 2013 at 2:06AM ESTPhil Belt sander naked????
February 11, 2013 at 9:37AM ESTds
February 11, 2013 at 1:45AM EST Reply to CommentI loved this episode--unlike some, I think the casting of Patrick Wilson was spot on. It was as though he was a grown up version of Joe Pitt, from Angels in America, still confused and alone, and maybe decided on heterosexuality, after all.
So, given Joe's, I mean, Joshua's ambivalence, it is no wonder to me that he cooled so quickly on Hannah when she spoke her epiphany to him -- it seemed perfectly in line with the way he acted so petty toward Ray about the garbage, and how he was so defensive about being called Josh. I don't think Hannah screwed it up by herself, she was not the only saboteur in the room. Joshua was looking for an escape as soon as Hannah opened her mouth. What we don't know about Joshua is the mystery -- is he really separated , or really lonely, or really a Ted Bundy type-- but that doesn't matter because Hannah is the narrator of the piece. Her soliloquy was a masterpiece of the season, and her decision to leave the brownstone a minor triumph -- had she stayed, she would have mirrored Jessa's ill-fated marriage to Thomas John. Hannah is growing up.
Jayne See, all I could think of was 'child molester' (still have Tina Fey's 'sloppy' remarks at the Golden Globes on my mind, because they were so honest). This is a child that wants to keep conducting indulgent and stupid experiments on the financial and emotional dimes of others, in the name of this unique voice she's honing. Young women of this age need to read Looking for Mr. Goodbar, not just to understand how dangerous, but how unoriginal some of this behavior is. Wow, so she really is a Charlotte (fancy house-chocolate lab, blah blah blah). Sorry, but when I understood that when saw her shoveling food in her mouth in the pilot, miffed at her mother cutting her off before she could look at the dessert menu. I am not offended at her gratuitous nudity because of the way she looks. I am offended at how cheaply she sells herself and clearly thinks there are no psychological consequences to doing so, because after all, it's all in the name of research.
February 11, 2013 at 2:21AM ESTds And you don't think that Joshua was taking advantage of Hannah? I'm not so sure - he was smug, and presumptuous of her. It totally went both ways, only we're only supposed to assume that Hannah is the one with the 'problem'.
February 11, 2013 at 11:42AM ESTTom No way was Joshua taking advantage of Hannah. He offered himself to her, honestly, numerous times. She did the same thing to him she did to Adam: threw herself at him, seemingly completely open and available, but really, she's not. She only wants a forum to talk endlessly about herself. Both Adam and Joshua took her at face value only to find their love and their selfhood rebuffed by her. She doesn't really want to know anyone else. ,It's all about her experiences, her desires, her ego. Until she realizes this, she will never, ever find the love she wants. And I don't think she left Joshua's house with any greater insight than she entered with. Adam tried to explain it to her, and you'll notice that is exactly when she couldn't wait to be shut of him. She's a narcissist.
February 12, 2013 at 7:28PM ESTCedric
February 11, 2013 at 1:55AM EST Reply to CommentIt was a stretch to believe that Hannah could bed Donald Glover. Now Patrick Wilson too? GTFO!
Cyn C. I could believe that Joshua might bed her - IF he was feeling lonely and unloved enough. But to tell her that she's beautiful? To beg her to stay the night and the next day? That I don't buy. In real life, he'd have taken a good look at her and seen how inappropriate she was for him in a multitude of ways. And then said he was wanted at the hospital and walked her out of his lovely brownstone.
February 11, 2013 at 2:12AM ESTFistOSalmon Frankly it's a stretch to believe she could bed Adam. It's not that I don't think a less attractive person shouldn't be with a very attractive one but it sucks me right out of the show every time. And it's not a sexist thing, when the dumpy guy ends up with a succession of really hot women it works on me the same way. Once to tell a particular story is fine but the pattern is starting to irritate me.
February 11, 2013 at 3:21AM ESTAndrew Y Exactly. This reminds me of Seinfeld where George always got women who were attractive and smart for no apparent reason other than it made for great comedy. After awhile I couldn't watch it.
February 11, 2013 at 8:49AM ESTjebreject We are CONSTANTLY accepting conventionally attractive women in relationships with unattractive (whether emotionally, physically, or both) men. See: almost every TV couple ever. But because we're being asked to accept the inverse, we just can't do it. I think that's kinda messed up.
February 24, 2013 at 10:34AM ESTPopzillaJoe
February 11, 2013 at 2:09AM EST Reply to CommentThis episode was incredible. Artistic, raw, out-of-place, real. I mentioned it in a response, but I feel strongly that Girls, with this episode has become even more difficult to define than Louie. You can't simply say, its undefinable and move on. The way they use the characters within the stories totally disregarding setting up some sort of understandable format is fresh, fearless and makes each episode a surprise. I love that it can't be defined as a comedy, or really as anything.
I think the critiques of Girls have really painted an inaccurate picture - especially in regards to Hannah. She is complicated - to say the least. I would agree that she lacks some self-awareness, but in other equally unhealthy ways she is hyper-aware. She is selfish, but who isn't... perhaps she is just hyper-honest, at least when she isn't lying. :) I think she is just unique and difficult to label.
Seeing her navigate this setting with a crazy mix of emotions made this episode my favorite in the show's history. She was scared but fearless, dumpy but beautiful, reserved but too revealing, and as I mentioned earlier oblivious but hyper-aware.
The way that played out in the bottle of this brownstone gave me chills. I didn't know what to expect as the episode went on, but her speech and the way it ended felt perfect and fitting - even if sad.
The music was crazy good/fitting too. I never write a lot on message boards, but I just thought this was about as good of 30-minutes of TV as I've seen. (New Girl last week was pretty damn good, too. In a different way obviously)
Cyn C. Agree re the music. It was absolutely perfect, beautiful, and haunting piano playing. I was looking for the composer's name in the credits, but didn't see it.
February 11, 2013 at 2:22AM ESTAnd I also completely agree that the shot of Hannah walking down the street at the end was very '70s cinema. The angle of it (with the musical overlay) felt very Jill Clayburgh-like. Had it been a '70s movie and not a '00s cable show, Jill's character would have been walking away from a safe and comfortable situation with a man who simply didn't feed her soul.
rcade I enjoyed the '70s vibe too. Like she was crossing the street to see Serpico.
February 11, 2013 at 9:24AM ESTmaryploppins
February 11, 2013 at 2:22AM EST Reply to CommentHahah yeah I've seen Jace arguing about this one with several people on Twitter in the past couple days. I feel a bit torn about this one. It wasn't one of my faves, but I'm not sure if that is mainly just because it wasn't a comedy-focused ep and almost none of the other cast was there.
Plot-wise, I totally get what they were going for and I always appreciate character progression. There were just some pieces of the execution that I wasn't a huge fan of ... parts of Hannah's big epiphany scene felt a bit on-the-nose to me. Like she spelled the whole thing out for us in such detail that it almost lost its impact a little bit for me. But still, I do appreciate the basic story and the fact that she came to that epiphany at all. That in itself is interesting. I just finished watching it a few minutes ago, so I'll let it settle in a couple days and see what I think after that.
DC
February 11, 2013 at 2:31AM EST Reply to CommentIt took a long time for me to be able to suspend the utter disbelief of Hannah and Joshua ever being together in the first place. But once I got past that ... I found this episose cut deepest into what the show is really about, which is how empty these girls' lives really are. I know some girls like this. Too bad they never watch the show.
MrMojo
February 11, 2013 at 3:02AM EST Reply to CommentThat was the worst half hour of television I have ever watched.
Slam Nothing is as bad as Walking Dead, but this episode was crappy
February 11, 2013 at 3:06PM ESTviolette
February 11, 2013 at 3:50AM EST Reply to CommentI'm not the biggest fan of the show but I do love Zosie Mamet as Shoshanna. After reading good things about tonight's episode I was disappointed to see it was a narcissistic Hannah-only episode that was ridiculously removed from reality. As a physician, I don't think I've ever seen a doctor character as unconvincing on TV as Joshua. What kind of doctor was he? I had no clue, there was absolutely no indication whatsoever from how the character was written. Surgeon? Internist? Gynecologist? No physician I know would ever describe himself as a generic "doctor" without further qualification to someone he spends more than 5 minutes with. And no physician would ever blow off work just to hang out with an annoying self-absorbed twenty-something. He was clearly a cardboard cutout fantasy, barely a person, just something for Hannah to react to. She was even more disgustingly self-absorbed than ever, whining and bleating about "me me me." And I agree with others that the nudity is overdone...would the writing stand alone without all the gawking over Lena Dunham's naked body? I don't think so. She needs the shock value of the nudity to compensate for the weak writing. I don't know if I'll keep watching...or perhaps in the future I'll ignore all the non-Shoshanna scenes.
Jill Of course the doctor was there for hannah to react to! The show is about Hannah and her experiences, not a journey into the souls of everyone in New York!
February 11, 2013 at 4:46AM ESTThe physicaian and his situation is a setting for hannah and her reflections. It is erxtraordinary to me how people expect shows to be an exact representation of their professions.
Sorry - it's story-telling, not a medical report.
Violette I prefer when shows have guest characters who seem like real people rather than shallow stereotypes. Clearly Girls is not about that. Defining a doctor character's specialty, and giving him an actual doctor's personality, should be the bare minimum on a decently well written show that's not a vanity project focusing on its creator. Even the Tom Selleck character on "Friends" had a doctor personality and a specialty.
February 11, 2013 at 5:27AM ESTKalap The idea that there is such a thing as a "doctor personality" is one of the most ludicrous things I've ever heard. Doctors are people and have the same variety in personalities you encounter in the rest of humanity. There is no specific "doctor personality."
February 11, 2013 at 5:04PM ESTAs for not specifying his speciality, this is irrelevant to the story.
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