Review: 'Boardwalk Empire' - 'The Milkmaid's Lot': I know what time it is
Nucky tries to marshal his forces after the bombing, and Margaret ponders an exit
Steve Buscemi as Nucky Thompson on "Boardwalk Empire."
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"You have to understand: no matter what you think of me, there's no walking away. It doesn't work like that. I do it to them, or they do it to me. That's all there is." -Nucky
In the aftermath of the latest — and loudest — failed attempt on his life, Nucky spends most of "The Milkmaid's Lot" drifting in and out, mentally. There are moments where he doesn't recognize his own brother, mistakes Chalky for a shoeshine man, and can only vaguely recall that Billie Kent died in the explosion. But there are other moments where his focus is crystal clear — in some ways, more clear than when he's in perfect health and his pride and ego are coloring his thinking. This is a more vulnerable Nucky than we're used to seeing,(*) but also a more perceptive, introspective one. It's a Nucky who is painfully aware of how much he needs other people in his life, both personally and professionally, and how easily they can be taken away. As he tells Margaret while preparing for the meeting with Rothstein and the other mob bosses, if he fails to get their support, "I'll be alone, and that's as good as dead" — and he is clearly not just talking about what Gyp Rosetti can do to him, but what will happen if the wife he pushed away leaves him, or the brother, or the right-hand man. Nucky Thompson is a man who craves respect, but he needs love, too, and he's put himself in a position this season where both are in short supply.
(*) We'll see what the season's remaining episodes hold, but right now this seems an easy choice for Steve Buscemi's Emmy submission.
So Nucky fears being alone, while other characters — Margaret, Richard, and the population of Tabor Heights, among others — find themselves trapped with Nucky or other volatile lunatics who also crave affection and respect.
Margaret has spent much of this season doing her best to enjoy the benefits of being Mrs. Thompson (money, shelter, care for the kids, political influence and the ability to do something like the pre-natal class) while ignoring the deficits (marriage in name only to a man she doesn't trust in the slightest). But between rekindling her affair with Owen, running into Billie Kent at the dress shop and being under frequent watch from Nucky's guards, the bad has started to outweigh the good. And when Owen begins talking about his own escape plans, it's hard for Margaret to not listen. (When she tells Teddy in an earlier scene that "There won't always be maids," it's clear she's already been thinking the same thing.) I wondered at first why she wouldn't simply go now; if ever there was a time to run away from her powerful, vengeful husband, it's while he's in such a weakened state, physically and strategically. But I do think there's a part of her that feels for Nucky, and/or that feels guilty about walking away from him, so she stays to at least help him get back on his feet and make a case to Rothstein and the others. But hearing him rant about what he wants to do to Gyp ("I'll wear that dago's fucking guts like a necktie") makes clear that this is not the man she wants to be around. I'll be curious to see what their plan is, and how long it takes them to try implementing it.
As for Gyp himself, could the New York mob really take over a small Jersey town like this, even in 1923? I know they float the idea of paying each of the citizens a stipend to keep them from talking, but A)that figure seems like it'll add up quickly depending on how long the war with Nucky takes, and B)surely there are people who don't want these goons here and would consider driving to another town to alert the larger authorities, no? For all I know, something like this actually happened in the period, but right now, it plays like a lot of the Gyp Rosetti story: flashy and colorful but not quite fitting in with the way the rest of the show seems to work. We know from George Remus that a certain amount of eccentricity is accepted in this world, so perhaps Gyp's guys wouldn't all start plotting an exit when he turned up on the beach wearing the hat of Mad Anthony Wayne, but the guy's a nutbar.
Much more interesting was Richard having a near-perfect night out with Julia, who even turned an attempt to embarrass him into a moment of triumph. Yet he can't enjoy the memories for very long, because he has to come home to a passive-aggressive scolding from Gillian, who's mad at the other whores — and specifically at the young pretty one who's getting so much of Tommy's attention (as we know from her attitude towards Angela, Gillian Darmody must be the only woman in the eyes of her little boy) — and taking it out on the masked freak she knows she can abuse because he loved Jimmy too much to ever leave Tommy behind. Richard is stuck with her in the same way Margaret (for now) is stuck with Nucky.
Nucky tries to make his bond with the New York and Philly wiseguys just as permanent, proposing what sounds very much like the start of modern organized crime as we know it. But the others still take their cues from Rothstein, and however ARnold may protest the accusation that he would make any decision based on emotion, his demeanor (and the way the camera lingers over his scars from the bombing) makes clear that it will be a long, long time before he forgets his near-death experience on the Jersey boardwalk.
Without Rothstein, and with the Capone/Torrio group too far away and otherwise distracted to get involved, Nucky once again seems hopelessly outgunned and outclassed. But that seemed to be the situation a year ago when Jimmy and the Commodore were plotting his ouster. Nucky may be on the verge of being all alone, but that rarely seems to be all there is for him. Sooner or later, he'll find an angle to put the odds in his favor, and force all these people who are looking to abandon him to be stuck with him for a while longer.
Some other thoughts:
* Scratch Chalky White's face off all those milk cartons, folks. This season has been more problematic than previous ones in terms of not having enough time to service this large, interesting cast, and of the significant local characters (as opposed to someone like Capone), Chalky has definitely suffered the most. This is only his third appearance in nine episodes, and one of those was that five-minute scene where he and Dunn intimidated Eddie Cantor. That he has interest in taking over the location that belonged to Babbette (RIP?) suggests there may be more in store for him next season, but this seems like a lost one for Mr. White so far.
* Ed Bianchi did a great job with the look of this one, which had one eye-catching sequence (Gyp's men arrive in Tabor Heights) after another (the feds chase Remus through his bird sanctuary) after another (Margaret walks through multiple rooms filled with armed men to get back to her kids). A fine outing for one of cable's most reliable directors.
* "Then Randolph would be very interested in seeing them." That joke never gets old.
* Yet another reminder that "Boardwalk Empire" has a big budget: everyone sings "Happy Birthday" to Emily, when shows often resort to public domain tunes like "For She's a Jolly Good Fellow" to save money.
Finally, I'm told HBO isn't sending the remaining episodes of the season out in advance, so unless that changes, this will be the last review of the season posted on Sunday night at 10. I'll likely be writing about the remaining episodes on Monday morning.
What did everybody else think?
Alan Sepinwall may be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com
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November 11, 2012 at 11:19PM EST Reply to CommentNew Day Co-Op anyone?
Jamie word. Only Stringer Bell and Prop Joe seem way more capable than Nucky Thompson.
November 12, 2012 at 9:45AM ESTKyle Rovinsky Well the unnecessary Wire-reference of the week sure didn't take long. Oy.
November 12, 2012 at 11:13AM ESTJoy The wire is always necessary! :)
November 12, 2012 at 12:24PM ESTI was thinking about the CoOp too.
Yes, The Wire is always relevant.
November 12, 2012 at 4:25PM ESTjack_is_laughing Speaking of the Wire, I feel like we see Chalkie so infrequently that we might as well shout out "Omar Coming!" every time he appears.
November 13, 2012 at 1:46AM ESTJohn Seems more like the real-life National Crime Syndicate. Not everything is about The Wire.
November 13, 2012 at 6:29AM ESTarlene maybe they can whistle the farmer in the dell.......
November 13, 2012 at 8:40AM ESTMahmoud Fayed @Arlene
November 16, 2012 at 6:34PM ESTJust imagine Richard grunting that tune instead of whistling. "Hmm hmm, hmm hmm hmm hmm."
Greg Grant
November 11, 2012 at 11:39PM EST Reply to CommentI liked most of it, and thought it was great. No complaints, except one - that freaking sound they used as a cue to show that Nucky was drifting in and out. Man, I hated that stupid sound. Yes, it's a petty complaint, but they used it repeatedly and it was driving me nuts. Which maybe intentional. and all, to show how Nucky feels disoriented, but still annoyed.
Anyone else did a double take when the girl from Wendy's commercial showed up at the Legion Hall?
Darkdoug That sound was supposed to be the tintinus that Nucky was experiencing, like the double-vision. It wasn't a soundtrack cue, so much as getting behind his point of view.
November 12, 2012 at 4:03AM ESTFeel like a burger I saw the Wendy's girl .. then checked the credits to confirm. She used a different name for BE .. but its the same girl.
November 12, 2012 at 11:13AM ESTbbq_hax0r That's who that was! I was like why do I recognize this gingy girl. Thank you.
November 13, 2012 at 5:17PM ESTJeep Rosetta
November 12, 2012 at 12:45AM EST Reply to CommentI, for one, really enjoyed it and thought it was one of the best episodes of the season. This gets back to what I like about Boardwalk--it's the chance to see interesting characters develop and to see them put in circumstances that really push them to their limits. I felt that about Nucky and even Rothstein and even Gyp to a certain extent.
Craig
November 12, 2012 at 1:03AM EST Reply to CommentBy far the best of the season. It's ironic that it took a massive, over-the-top explosion to bring the show back to solid character-based storytelling.
Don
November 12, 2012 at 1:19AM EST Reply to CommentThat "Happy Birthday" still draws royalties is disgusting.
Zach Almost as disgusting as Donald Trump trademarking "You're fired."
November 12, 2012 at 2:04AM ESTDB Cooper If you write a song that people are still singing 120 years from now, your grandkids may feel differently.
November 12, 2012 at 1:25PM ESTDB Cooper The real question is whether the song was popular enough to be a birthday party staple by 1923(?). Probably not. http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.asp
November 12, 2012 at 1:27PM ESTDon Relatives, for sure, like royalties and abolutely LOVE copyright extensions, which have gotten out of hand. (I'd earlier made a second Snopes-based post, but it didn't get put up--my error.)
November 12, 2012 at 2:21PM ESTMahmoud Fayed It's bullshit, man... just total, goddamn bullshit. It sickens me to my stomach.
November 17, 2012 at 1:19PM ESTMr. Brevity
November 12, 2012 at 1:24AM EST Reply to CommentStrong.
Kimberly G
November 12, 2012 at 1:30AM EST Reply to CommentAfter watching this episode, I thought Nucky was going to break into Tony Blundetto character. I can't handle the lack of Michael Kenneth Williams in this show. Gyp does nothing for me. Tommy is the show now.
Turtle David
November 12, 2012 at 1:58AM EST Reply to CommentMy prediction is that Nucky gets wind of Owen's affair, kills Owen, and brings in Richard Harrow to take his place. Harrow agrees to work for Nucky in exchange for Nucky providing for Tommy and getting the kid away from Gillian.
This is my hope. I like Owen, but I don't see him surviving this season. And we need Richard Harrow back in the business.
Gary Boy I like how you think guy ... I also believe Owen won't make it out of this season alive, you don't bang the bosses wife and get away with it ... I also have been hoping that Richard will work for Nucky bc I'd rather see him almost everytime we see Nucky or with a gun in his hand waiting to kill someone instead of seeing him holding hands with a little child
November 12, 2012 at 4:00AM ESTmightyh Excellent episode, I also think Owen could be killed, unless he steps in as #2 like Sylvio did when tony soprano was shot....
November 12, 2012 at 9:25AM ESTUnrelated- whose going to need more therapy- Tommy or Carl from walking dead?
Mike One way or another, I think Owen is going to bite the dust by the end of this season. His seeming agreement to run off with Margaret sealed his fate as far as I am concerned...not saying it will be by Nucky; I'm just expecting it now.
November 12, 2012 at 1:55PM ESTirieagogo I think it's possible that Margaret and Owen will go on the lam just like Mr & Mrs Mueller. They could go to California and be well out of this circle of people. The show sure doesn't mind sending characters far away (Muellers again). I agree with Alan that this is an opportune time for Margaret, the kids and Owne to dash aawy. TV and filmss love to thwart the dreamers of escape, and sadly end such plans with a tragedy, so I will watch to see which turn the plot takes.
November 12, 2012 at 2:40PM ESTThe idea that Owen bails and Richard takes his spot, bringing Tommy on the deal could work, Nucky is gonna find out Gillian set him up for the explosion, so he'll want to kill her back, or rub her out financially, etc, and perhaps part of his revenge will be liberating Jimmy's kid and Richard.
Watching Richard and Tommy's predicament, I was wondering how easy it'd be in that time for Richard to just abscond with the boy on his own, take him to go live somewhere with ponies and a fort where he could escape Gillian forever.
Hopefully Gillian and Owen will bite the big one at the end of the season.
November 12, 2012 at 4:27PM ESTHISLOCAL I think it would be great if they just ran off together. I get really tired of the cable drama formula - you either have to stare at someone every week, year after year....or they die. There is no other possible way for someone to be written off the show. I think it would be fantastic to break the mold and let Margaret run off with Owen, and Nucky decides not to go after them because he realizes they're better off (maybe because he's under so much fire now that he's all alone against Massaria & Rosetti).
November 13, 2012 at 10:07AM ESTLisa I hope they don't do the thwarted escape attempt route with Margaret, because they did that with Angela in S2 (or was it the end of S1?). I don't think Gillian will live past the end of this season, although it would be interesting if somehow Richard, rather than Nucky, takes her out. I just want Richard to be happy and be with his lady and raise Tommy.
November 13, 2012 at 11:31AM ESTbbq_hax0r I think Nucky would have the political influence to get custody of Tommy away from Gillian and bring in Richard. I do really like Owen and hope he doesn't get killed. But I can't see him being able to stay around AC much longer.
November 13, 2012 at 5:23PM ESTPaul
November 12, 2012 at 4:07AM EST Reply to CommentWait a second, someone owns the rights to Happy Birthday?!
Harry At some restaurants, if you tell them it's your birthday, they'll bring out some cake and sing a song. They purposefully DON'T sing Happy Birthday because it is copyrighted.
November 12, 2012 at 8:59AM ESTHappy ... really ? The estates of Patty Hill and Mildred J. Hill. BE probably had to pay $5000 to use it.
November 12, 2012 at 11:17AM ESTA little trivia from Sports Night :)
Paul Thanks for the info. Never had a clue.
November 12, 2012 at 4:12PM ESTmgrabois From Snopes: The Chicago-based music publisher Clayton F. Summy Company, working with Jessica Hill, published and copyrighted "Happy Birthday" in 1935. Under the laws in effect at the time, the Hills' copyright would have expired after one 28-year term and a renewal of similar length, falling into public domain by 1991. However, the Copyright Act of 1976 extended the term of copyright protection to 75 years from date of publication, and the Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998 added another 20 years, so under current law the copyright protection of "Happy Birthday" will remain intact until at least 2030.
November 16, 2012 at 4:07AM ESTDarkdoug
November 12, 2012 at 4:37AM EST Reply to CommentWhile I, as much as anyone, would love to see the Omar Little-Richard Harrow teamup working for Nucky to take down Gyp, I'm not holding my breath for such an easily satisfying outcome. Both seasons have built to an expected "gather the troops" climax involving characters estranged from Nucky, only to undercut or subvert that satisfying union in the finale.
First we were rooting from Nucky to bring Jimmy back from Chicago to handle the gang of papal-named brothers, and we got that, but we also got Jimmy joining his parents and Eli to bring down Nucky.
Then, last season, we were awaiting the mending of fences between Nucky & Jimmy, and got that, only to have Nucky take out the show's Jesse Pinkman. Nucky and Margaret tied the knot and he beat the federal charges, but their marriage quickly became a sham, and while it saved him from Margaret's testimony, was also the vehicle for the loss of his anticipated windfall from the new road.
If Nucky, Chalky and Richard join forces to win the day, you can bet it will hurt him somehow, or be a less perfect union than anticipated.
As far as things go with the situation, there are pieces in place for some of that to happen. By all appearances, Nucky's local power is intact, with the show of support from the aldermen and Chalky, and Eli hanging tighter than ever (and having re-established his bona fides as a useful ally, rather than a nepotistic hanger-on). He has made a new ally in the Harding administration, but Harding died in 1923. Daughtery resigned the next year upon the request of Coolidge. Though Mellon remained SecTreas all the way through the Hoover administration, we have seen that he is not enthusiastic about associating with Nucky and will apparently do so only as long as it is convenient and profitable for him, and will abandon him with less concern than Rothstein's desertion in this episode.
On the Richard Harrow front, his theoretical disenchantment of Gillian, as well as her cooperation with Rossetti, could be the impetus that brings Richard into Nucky's circle. Given how Richard is taken by the notion of the ideal family life, I don't see him being satisfied with working in a brothel or for a gangster in the long term, for himself or for Tommy. He certainly wants Tommy to have a normal family, and Julia has no doubt made it seem like a real possibility for himself as well. If Richard teams up with Nucky, I think it will be solely as part of his own exit strategy for himself and/or Tommy. Thus the potential tragedy inherent in the so-desired team-up. Maybe Richard goes down fighting, just when he had a chance to get out and have a family with Julia and Tommy, or he loses one or both of them because of choices he is forced into making to get that exit...
Trust me, guys. If we get what we want, Winter & co will do their best to ruin it someway.
Jezmund Yea at least Richard will have an easy time convincing Tommy to come with him ... "Tch... Tommy... Your grandmother is only using you... Hrmph... So she can make herself... Tch... queen of Atlantic City... Hrmph... And have ... Tch... And have ... sex with you... Mmmph"
November 12, 2012 at 5:20AM ESTdennis Reply to comment...
November 12, 2012 at 5:25PM ESTdennis the problem with that is that Julia thinks of Harrow as a kindly disabled vet. She has no idea he's a killer in peacetime.
November 12, 2012 at 5:29PM ESTnath Please indicate if you're going to post historical spoilers.
November 12, 2012 at 7:45PM ESTDarkdoug Sorry about that. I took it for granted that everyone would assume the administration's days were numbered since it was 1923. I got a little too into the details with Daugherty.
November 13, 2012 at 12:17AM ESTAnd Dennis, I agree, but I was not discussing the reality of the situation, merely what Richard's perception of it might be, and that his finding a woman who is not put out by the face raises the possibility that he could have that family someday, with Julia or anyone. It wasn't just her, but the general acceptance he has received from fellow veterans in general. The point is, his social life this season has expanded enough to make him start thinking that maybe he can be more than a thug or handyman in a whorehouse. And compared to her father, a polite murderer of criminals might still not seem like the worst bargain in the world. The criminality might be perceived as part of the veterans' plight. I recall an old Cagney movie suggesting that lots of returning veterans turned to crime due to lack of other options, the recent broadening of criminality by Prohibition and their new skill sets obtained Over There.
HISLOCAL Wow that's a scary thought........it would kill me to see Richard bite the dust, but geez that would be a compelling storyline - just when he thinks he could have a normal life and family, it gets yanked away from him.
November 13, 2012 at 10:12AM ESTI hope they DON'T do that, because I want to keep watching Richard for years to come, but damn if we wouldn't still be talking about it 10 years from now if they did.
Haynie
November 12, 2012 at 5:21AM EST Reply to CommentFantastic episode and easily my favorite of the season so far. Buscemi put on on acting clinic and the cinematic aspects Alan already listed were great.
The big question now, obviously, is where Nucky finds the power (or weak spot) to beat Gyp. The backing of Masseria makes it much harder to just take him out, as now Nucky doesn't have the muscle to wipe out that whole crew. Maybe he can talk Rothstein out of his fear and turn it to vengeance, but that'd be a big leap for three episodes.
Hard to see how it will end, but I love where it's going.
tariq
November 12, 2012 at 8:52AM EST Reply to CommentHow is "Happy Birthday" not public domain? who owns those rights?
rcade Warner Chappell Music, which purchased a company that registered its copyright in 1935 even though it first appeared in print in 1912 and probably existed earlier. It's an amazing racket. Nucky should've gotten into *that* business instead of bootlegging.
November 12, 2012 at 9:24AM ESTJamie
November 12, 2012 at 9:49AM EST Reply to CommentI was a bit surprised this wasn't written or directed by a Sopranos alumnus...seemed like a classic Tony Soprano dream-sequence episode.
HISLOCAL You stole my comment!! Haha. I was saying through the whole episode "This is JUST like a Tony Soprano dream/panic attack episode"......and I'm not even a huge, obsessed Sopranos fan. The comparison was so obvious, I thought for sure it was a Terrence Winter-helmed episode.
November 13, 2012 at 10:14AM ESTgeoff_rose
November 12, 2012 at 11:25AM EST Reply to CommentI know last week he assaulted a clergyman and stole donations from a church, but Gyp cancelling Bible Camp was what had me going, "Oh, come on, Gyp, have a heart." But he has none. God bless, Bobby Cannavale, he's really killing it.
I didn't know if this conference in Atlantic City was going to be THE Conference in Atlantic City (where the rules began to be laid for the Syndicate of the '30s and on), but Torrio would've had to be there, given it was historically his idea. Not that they have to hold to history, but I'd just be surprised with all the research they've done if that wasn't eventually a plot element.
"I want to go home." After the uplifting night out, and this heart-rending plea, you have to guess Richard is going to oppose Gillian at some point to take Tommy away (with his new lady in tow?) and give him the life Jimmy wanted, as others here have said.
HISLOCAL I liked when he added "...and I'm not really doing a question-and-answer thing right now". I was dying.
November 13, 2012 at 10:15AM ESTCRS22
November 12, 2012 at 11:29AM EST Reply to CommentBest twist: the fact that it was Julia who didn't know how to dance, not Richard.
rl1856
November 12, 2012 at 12:21PM EST Reply to CommentDoes Gyp have the protection everyone thinks he does? His Boss, Masseria(sp?) made a point of telling him, in Italian, that "your problems are your concern". I interpret that statement as a clear message that that Gyp is on his own against Nucky et al.
Owen is on his way out. Plotting with Margaret for an escape is clearly telegraphing his departure. Should Nucky discover the affair, he will no longer trust Owen. Enter Richard Harrow as the the new enforcer; one with the marksmanship skills to take out Gyp from a distance and then escape.
The historical meeting of the Gangsters to set up a corporate structure for activities took place about 10yrs after the events depicted in the episode. But the first meeting did take place in Atlantic City. Even though the first meeting resulted in everyone forsaking Nucky, the idea has been introduced and will be taken up at a later date.
I predict the following: Nucky reaches out to Chicago for help. Nucky dismisses Owen and aligns with Harrow. Margaret stays. Nucky triumphs.
ed newman Agree with your take except I can't can't believe that Owen will wind up "Furio"ed at the end of the season. More likely he'll get "Jimmy"ed.
November 12, 2012 at 1:37PM ESTdemetri he said it in sicilian not italian, (natural speaker of both). I didnt think owen would have the guts to basically say let runaway together, more surprising..i didnt think Margaret would agree to it. She is really becoming the worst, while i can understand her situation and support her decision, she loves to forget her past sins and atrocities. She has benefited more than she likes to admit from being the booze queen. I really want harrow as the new right hand, owen needs to be fish bait..oh wait, this is the 20's...owen needs to be a bullet sponge
November 12, 2012 at 9:27PM ESTHISLOCAL I just think that killing Jimmy (#2 #1, if you will) and then Owen (#2 #2, if you will) in back-to-back seasons would just be some weird combination of too much and not enough. Something else has to happen to Owen, not sure what, but if he just gets whacked it'll be stupid, I think.
November 13, 2012 at 10:18AM ESTbbq_hax0r Owen is smart enough and been a good enough soldier for Nucky that he'll likely forgive the infedelity and allow him to get away, or at least give him that option. Owen really has been good and loyal to Nucky, all things considered that it'd be weak to simply kill him off.
November 13, 2012 at 5:29PM ESTThe interesting point is that Nucky is now alone and it appears Gyp is too to some degree. Which will make their feud much more interesting.
guy
November 12, 2012 at 1:52PM EST Reply to CommentIt will be interesting to see what they do with Margaret. They are writing themselves into a corner as she seems to want no part of Nucky's life anymore. She does not seem like a "Soprano" wife, who accepts what their husband's are, but just don't want to be reminded of the dark side. It looks like she will bolt at the first opportunity.
I think people need to get over the lack of Chalky. This isn't "the wire" and his character does not seem to be integral to this show at this point. Other than Richard and the occasional Al Capone side story, they seem to have concluded this is Nucky's year now that Jimmy is dead.
Chris V
November 12, 2012 at 1:53PM EST Reply to CommentI believe Owen will get killed, but not by Nucky. I think he will die trying to kill Gyp.
This way both Nucky's and Margaret's "true" loves will be killed and they will be stuck with each other.
Joy You are probably right. Which makes me sad as i love Owen. I want them to run off to Chicago and join the northside mob with Van Alden.
November 12, 2012 at 2:44PM ESTNelson Remember when the little boy said he saw the Gypsy going around burning fires in the green houses? Then, when Gyp called Nucky this episode on the phone, the little boy (tommy) answered and told Nucky it was the Gypsy on the phone. Doesn't that confirm that Gypsy was the one who started the fire in the green house a few episodes back? So does that mean that Owen covered for Gyp? Is Owen working with Gyp? Is he trying to take down Nucky? I dont see anyone mentioning this
November 12, 2012 at 5:08PM ESTFrederick D @Nelson: No, it doesn't confirm that Gyp started the fire. Tommy only heard a voice on the phone, and likely equated "Gyp" with "Gypsy". On the other hand, "The Gypsy" was someone that Tommy had seen, but not heard.
November 13, 2012 at 3:52AM ESTFrederick D Sorry, Teddy** not Tommy
November 13, 2012 at 3:53AM ESTHISLOCAL I had a whole elaborate theory 2 weeks ago about how the gypsy was Gyp, and that Teddy got the names mixed up, the gypsy was from "another place" (aka Sicily), etc......then by the end of the episode it turned out I was wrong, and then this week Gyp calls and Teddy says it's the gypsy!!! Stop messing with me, Boardwalk!!!
November 13, 2012 at 10:22AM ESTirieagogo
November 12, 2012 at 3:07PM EST Reply to CommentWhen Gyp walked up to the guys loading trucks wearing his tricorn hat, I had the feeling we are getting close to the episode that will lead to the masses of bottles crashing in from the ocean that we see in the opening credits. It'll turn out that Nucky still has concussion-scrambled brains and that's why he's been standing there for a few years letting the waves wash over his snazzy shoes. Not sure if the bottles are going to be Nucky's revenge on a competitor or his own ruined inventory, but it's coming.
rcade Shouldn't the credits be taken as symbolic, rather than literal? Nucky is standing on shore watching bootleg hooch come in from the ocean and trying to keep his shoes (and himself) clean.
November 14, 2012 at 7:33PM ESTtr
November 12, 2012 at 3:13PM EST Reply to CommentI agree with some of the other viewers....I think that Owen will either die during the battle between Gyp and Nucky, or Nucky will find out about his affair with Margaret and kill him. I also think that Margaret may wind up with the doctor at the hospital at some point. There seems to be some chemistry between them. Love how the tension is building up in each episode - you never know what's going to happen next or who is going to die. Brilliant work!
victoria_johnson
November 12, 2012 at 4:43PM EST Reply to CommentDoes the fact that Tommy said that "the Gypsy" was on the phone when Gyp called to harass Nucky and the fact that he referred to a gypsy as being the one who burned down the greenhouse mean that Gyp burned it down?
Nelson Thats exactly what I was thinking. Wouldn't that mean that Owen covered for Gyp? Is Owen working with Gyp? Is he playing Margaret so he can try and take down Nucky?
November 12, 2012 at 5:09PM ESTrl1856 That was my thought.
November 12, 2012 at 5:10PM ESTNelson Boardwalk is by far the best show on TV. I watched Dexter right after Boardwalk last night, and it made me realize how good Boardwalk is. The character development is spot on and the writing is fantastic. There is NO show like it on TV.
November 12, 2012 at 5:31PM ESTAndrew Am I the only one that thinks Teddy will kill Gyp in the end?
November 12, 2012 at 10:40PM ESTFrederick D No, it doesn't necessarily confirm that Gyp started the fire. Tommy only heard a voice on the phone, and likely equated "Gyp" with "Gypsy". On the other hand, "The Gypsy" was someone that Tommy had seen, but not heard.
November 13, 2012 at 3:56AM EST
@ Nelson, that would be a fantastic plot twist!
November 13, 2012 at 11:44AM EST
@ Andrew, there is definitely something up with that kid!
November 13, 2012 at 11:44AM ESTU I would assume a child's reference system is much more fluid - as Frederick said.
November 15, 2012 at 10:07AM ESTCliff
November 12, 2012 at 10:42PM EST Reply to CommentPerhaps Richard Harrow enlists his new war veteran buddies to help fight Nucky's war
Clifford
November 12, 2012 at 10:47PM EST Reply to CommentPerhaps Richard Harrow enlists his new war veteran buddies to help fight Nucky's war.
HISLOCAL
November 13, 2012 at 10:25AM EST Reply to CommentWhen Gyp was taunting Nucky by reading Billie's obituary in the newspaper, was I the only one who was surprised that Gyp could read English? Doesn't he just seem like a guy who learned to speak English out of necessity, but wouldn't ever learn to read, especially in that time period?
MBG
November 13, 2012 at 4:16PM EST Reply to CommentAvoiding the historical spoiler comments; know a bit about Capone, but that’s it.
I’m falling the way they want me: Can’t stand Gillian or Gyp, how ’bout them blowing up together. Am with those postulating about Richard coming on board with Nucky; he can’t sharp-shoot Gyp soon enough.
Buscemi was amazing. Agree with Alan on Chalky, there’s only so much time & space, I guess. (More Van Alden please.)
Could see the Tommy thing coming, à la Sally in Mad Men walking on Roger’s BJ. Also, I noticed last night that “Steve Kornacki” was a producer — wonder if he’s the dude on MSNBC’s “The Cycle”?
With the last 3 episodes withdrawn, looks like all hell’s gonna break loose. . .
- MBG
Goodoldnumbernine What's the joke about Randolph? Please refresh my memory,thanks
November 13, 2012 at 8:23PM ESTPaul B Goodoldnumbernine, I think Alan was referring to the way she referred to herself in the third person when talking to to Remus, who has been doing that since we first saw him.
November 24, 2012 at 1:57PM ESTbmfc1
November 16, 2012 at 3:28PM EST Reply to CommentNo comments about the dancing at the Legion Hall? That was beautifully done and skillfully acted. I felt was so happy for Richard.
FXD
November 17, 2012 at 4:51AM EST Reply to CommentHappy Birthday is owned by a Time Warner who also own HBO, so maybe little to no royalties had to be paid.
Jim Teacher
November 19, 2012 at 4:51PM EST Reply to CommentApparently something like the "Tabor Heights takeover" really did occur during Prohibition somewhere north along the Shore, possibly in Atlantic Highlands. Can't find a reference for that...
And yeah, it will be interesting to see how "The Commission" concept gets worked into the Boardwalk Empire storyline--cool the show made it Nucky's incipient idea here in this episode.