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Review: 'Boardwalk Empire' - 'A Man, A Plan': Rogue wave

Margaret and Owen plot their escape, while Van Alden sells to the wrong bar

<p>Charlie Cox as Owen on "Boardwalk Empire."</p>

Charlie Cox as Owen on "Boardwalk Empire."

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"Tell me you're different from him." -Margaret

I'm not entirely sure that the palindrome Agent Sawicki trots out in Nucky's office — "A man! A plan! A canal! Panama!" — was all that well-known (or known at all) in the mid-20s. (What little research I've done suggests it was invented by Leigh Mercer and first published in 1948.) But the idea of a phrase that means the exact same thing backwards and forwards feels right at home in a series full of duplicitous men, who make the same promises to multiple people in multiple directions, leaving each of them wondering which version is real and which is setting them up for ruin.

In "A Man, A Plan" alone, we have Gaston Bullock Means cleverly getting both Nucky and Harry to pay him a $40,000 fee to take out Jess Smith (and is rewarded for his cleverness with Jess saving him the trouble by killing himself in a way that Means can no doubt take credit for) and Lansky and Luciano taking the heroin deal to Joe Masseria when Rothstein turns it down. And most importantly, we have Owen and Margaret each pledging their devotion to their respective partners even as they're plotting to leave Atlantic City with each other.

Or are they?

That's the question Margaret spends much of "A Man, A Plan" wrestling with, and one she'll never get an answer to, because Meyer and Lucky gave Masseria enough advance warning that he was prepared for Owen's assassination attempt. We think Owen was going to go with Margaret, particularly in light of the news that she's pregnant with his child, but we also got to see him with Katey, and he seemed just as convincing in casually proposing marriage to her as he did in all his promises to Margaret. I don't see any value in Owen deliberately misleading the boss's estranged wife, but at the same time, we don't know him nearly as well as we knew Jimmy, and Margaret doesn't even get to see all that we do. Is Owen really being honest with her, or is she the one being strung along when the sentence reverses on itself?

Because Owen has never been one of the show's more fleshed-out characters, his death matters less than what it means for Margaret, whose full-on hysterics(*) at the sight of him in the crate should leave no doubt in Nucky's mind what his bodyguard and wife were up to, especially if she remains pregnant.(**) Owen was Margaret's best chance to escape this life and this man she's come to hate and fear. Now she's stuck, and though Nucky is sympathetic to her in the moment, we know what a petty, prideful man he can be, and I don't see their relationship getting warmer in the wake of this.

(*) Okay, barring whatever happens over the next two weeks, it looks like last week's episode will be Steve Buscemi's Emmy submission, while tonight's sure should be Kelly Macdonald's. Not only does it do a good job of telling a self-contained Margaret story that will resonate with viewers even if they haven't seen other "Boardwalk" episodes, but the way she plays Margaret's reaction to Owen's corpse is fantastic. There is acting hysterical, and then there is being hysterical; most actors can do the former on camera but not convincingly pull off the latter, while Macdonald went for broke in a way that didn't make me feel like she was acting. (Even though, obviously, she was, unless they shot poor Charlie Cox to get a full method performance out of her.)

(**) Margaret's pre-natal class (which the bishop orders disbanded this week) has seemed like one of the season's less essential subplots, but now I wonder if it was all leading us to the moment where Margaret has to ask Dr. Mason to give her an abortion.

When we got to the episode-ending flashback, I worried at first we were just going to see the same scene all over again, like "Boardwalk Empire" underlining a point that we all clearly remembered from earlier. Instead, there's more to the scene than beforeand in a way that gives much deeper meaning to an episode that's otherwise a bit of a "let's move the chess pieces" outing — as we find out Margaret is pregnant (though it was pretty strongly implied in the earlier scene with  Mason), hear Owen's quiet yet proud reaction to this news, and witness the last interaction these two will ever have. Like the palindrome, we go in reverse, but this time the meaning isn't the same at all. In the past, Margaret is happy, looking forward to a new life in the wide-open spaces of America. In the present, she is grief-stricken and trapped on the Atlantic City boardwalk. She had a man. She had a plan. Now? She has Nucky, and all that comes with him.

Some other thoughts:

* First, as you noticed, this review got done in advance, after all, as HBO and the "Boardwalk" creative team reversed course on the screeners. I should be able to keep up this schedule for the rest of the season, though we'll see if the Thanksgiving holiday (and whenever I get the next DVD) disrupts things.

* "Boardwalk Empire" isn't exactly "The Wire," and yet I can't help but start waiting for the other shoe to drop whenever a character I like has too long a run of good fortune. Even factoring in the fight with Sagorsky, things are going too well for Richard and Julia, and I fear something or someone bad (Gillian, most likely) is going to screw everything up. And Richard's mask remains one of the all-time great accessories, here being the side of his face we can see as Julia kisses him, leaving us to read all kinds of emotion that isn't there among the paint.

* Speaking of waiting for the other shoe to drop, that's pretty much all you do when you work for Gyp Rosetti — though in his case, the shoe may be a shovel, a bullet, high tide, or any other manner of gruesome death that results from saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. On the one hand, I feel like we've seen this particular beat before. On the other, Gyp telling his sidekick that "You owe me" because he beat his cousin to death rather than letting him drown felt pretty chilling, even given what we know of Gyp's insanity.

* It's a testament to both Michael Shannon and the writers that I've come to sympathize with Van Alden as much as I have this season, here taking pleasure in our glimpse of him as a successful bootlegger, then feeling sorry for him when he winds up on the wrong end of Al Capone's fork. It's funny to think how far both Nelson and Al have come since the series' pilot, when Van Alden was the powerful G-man keeping tabs on Torrio during the summit with Nucky, while Al was just Torrio's lowly driver. Now Capone is the powerful man, and Van Alden is somehow caught in the middle of the Capone/O'Banion war.

* As was strongly hinted last week, Chalky has a plan (but not a canal) for the location where Babbette's used to sit, and I imagine next season we'll see a new Harlem-style nightclub as a prominent setting.

* It can not be repeated enough what a pleasure it is to watch Stephen Root play so slippery and composed a character as Gaston Bullock Means.

What did everybody else think?

Alan Sepinwall may be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com

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Alan Sepinwall has been reviewing television since the mid-'90s, first for Tony Soprano's hometown paper, The Star-Ledger, and now for HitFix. His new book, "The Revolution Was Televised," about the last 15 years of TV drama, is for sale at Amazon. He can be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com

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    Lando

    Concerning Richard, I can't help but feel he won't be around next season unless he goes back to status quo (in this case, a hitman for Nucky) either he ends up dead or he runs away with Julia and Tommy. I hope the latter, he is the only one I truly root for.

    November 18, 2012 at 11:17PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Brubarian I root for Richard and Chalky (though, mostly just Richard this season, since Chalky has been almost non-existent).

      November 19, 2012 at 7:53PM EST
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    Dave

    Amazing episode. Was disappointed to see Owen go but it seemed almost (this show is capable of anything) inevitable once they had a plan to leave. Means has become one of my favourite characters

    November 18, 2012 at 11:25PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Frank

    How would Luciano & Lansky know about the plot against Massaria? All of them, including Rothstein, had refused to back Nucky, so why would he tell any of them.

    November 18, 2012 at 11:30PM EST Reply to Comment
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      sepinwall They knew that Nucky was trying, period, when Masseria would have never considered that anyone would attempt such a thing. This put him on his guard.

      November 18, 2012 at 11:31PM EST
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      jayne greene yeah, I am wondering who was the snitch?

      November 18, 2012 at 11:34PM EST
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      Greg I think it was the FBI agent.

      November 19, 2012 at 12:05AM EST
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      Josh R I think it's pretty clear that Sawicki had to have let Luciano and Lansky know what Nucky's plans were. Otherwise, how would Masseria have know not to have an army waiting at the baths? And they'd already told him Nucky was coming after him. So what else could Luciano have leaned down to whisper?

      November 19, 2012 at 2:12AM EST
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      mike dowling Mr. Sepinwall I think you're wrong on that, because after Luciano says "Nucky is making a move" Joe agrees to the Heroi deal and asks what he knows so Luciano leans into Joe's ear telling apparently more details. If it was simply "that he's making a move" what was Luciano whispering?

      November 19, 2012 at 10:09AM EST
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    jayne greene

    Took my breath away. I love this show and can often watch it a few times a week, and then again.

    I think your review is very accurate so there is not much I would think to add to it....I knew getting a crate delivery at 4am couldn't be too good...and to see the scene between Margaret and Owen replayed and learn what really happened was great story telling.

    I liked Owen's character, and what his "real intentions" were kept you wondering throughout the episode, until you found out that it no longer mattered.

    November 18, 2012 at 11:33PM EST Reply to Comment
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      alex When he got the crate I thought it was a pony´s head, going with the godfather, but it didn´t make no sense.

      November 19, 2012 at 11:57AM EST
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      bbq_hax0r I kept waiting for it to be the captain Nucky sent up to help Gyp. I assumed Owen wasn't long for the show, but I was still caught offguard by it tonight. I was so damn fixated on the coastguard captain.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:14AM EST
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    Carrie

    Hated to see Owen killed off. He was one of my favorite characters but I guess I'm getting used to this now on the show. Agree about Kelly Macdonald's performance in reacting to seeing Owen's body in the crate; an Emmy worthy performance for sure. I enjoyed them together the latter part of this season. I think I'm going to have nightmares tonight.

    November 18, 2012 at 11:39PM EST Reply to Comment
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    David LaFleur

    Good review good episode. I was wondering why they didn't show the botched hit on Masseria & what about the agent with Owen what happened to him in the situation. Also is Chalky gonna push Nucky aside to? I wish i could watch next weeks episode right now but gotta wait another week.

    November 19, 2012 at 12:04AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Jim He was in the crate.

      November 19, 2012 at 3:14AM EST
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      David LaFleur The agent wasn't in that crate.

      November 19, 2012 at 3:51AM EST
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      Geoff I think after the shovel in the sand and the suicide, showing the Masseria botch up, would be more violence than was needed in this episode.

      November 19, 2012 at 4:11AM EST
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      eye David Lafleur said he "was" wondering why they didn't show it (obviously he eventually got his answer on the show) not that he "is" still wondering.

      November 19, 2012 at 11:22AM EST
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      eye nevermind, I read that wrong, I thought that David was wondering what happened to Owen before he saw him in the crate, not the agent. My apologies.

      November 19, 2012 at 11:23AM EST
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    janelle_fox

    I'm gonna miss Owen. He was absolutely adorable and so cute. Just seeing Margaret's reaction, broke my heart on top of seeing Owen dead. A shipment in a box at 4am is never a good thing. :(

    November 19, 2012 at 12:40AM EST Reply to Comment
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      K This show is starting to suck major cock. Any affable character gets killed off and more and more off topic and irrelevant sub-plots continue to arise. Everything exciting gets shit on and everything that's boring, cliche, and predictable makes it from one episode to the next. Van Alden?? What is his purpose other than dull time filler an obvious segway douche? Maybe the season should end with a nuclear holocaust where only Eli survives and we can watch over-hyped episodes of him growing old.. That's where this shows headed. Either that or maybe Nucky will somehow come out on top then drop dead of a heart attack since this show banks on earning a penny and robbing a 401k. Weak

      November 19, 2012 at 5:30AM EST
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      driver7 K couldn't have said truer words. No likeable characters last long or have enough face time on this show! Owen, Jimmy? Dead. Capone, Chalky? We barely see them. No one likes Rosetti and that ****head gets so much screentime. I can't wait to see his death!

      November 19, 2012 at 10:58AM EST
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      Michael Dowling Come on K Van Alden ironing that fat dudes face was awesome, I was waiting for him to snap and he finally did. Looked like Frankenstein when he was trashing the office, I was laughing my ass off.

      November 19, 2012 at 11:09AM EST
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      janellefox Watching Van Alden flip out was so nuts! His eyes looked like they were gonna bug out of his head! I had no choice BUT to laugh!

      November 19, 2012 at 5:30PM EST
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    Dub

    Ever since we were introduced to Gyp I've been thinking that Nucky would need to fight fire with fire which would, to me, entail solidifying his relationship with Chalky. Chalky isn't unpredictably insane like Roesetti but he's every bit as violent and perhaps more dangerous because he's not erratic but composed and deliberate.

    At times like these you really find yourself scratching your head when Nucky summarily reject Chalky. I don't know if the intent of the show is to emphasize the racial divide that still existed in the 20s or if it's to illustrate that Nucky either doesn't understand just what he's gotten into and is deluding himself into thinking everything is going to work out or if it's to show that Nucky is losing his grip.

    Should be interesting to see how this works itself out. Roesetti has been such a strong story line and has certainly made this current arc feel like the penultimate storyline of the series. If Nucky wins I just don't see what's left to explore: things couldn't get this intense again. So I'm thinking that either the Roesetti arc continue into next season, which would be unfortunate as this season wouldn't provide closure to the current arc, or the storyline ends this season and we're left wondering what exactly they'll do next year.

    November 19, 2012 at 1:38AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Dub You Are so Busted
      Looks like you stole this from a comment on the Huffington Post:

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/BW1980/boardwalk-empire-recap-owen-sleater_b_2156694_207344210.html

      IDENTICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!

      November 19, 2012 at 5:43AM EST
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      Michael Dowling They could be the same person, I've done it on sports message boards. Maybe DUB here is BW1980 from huffington post?

      November 19, 2012 at 11:03AM EST
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      Jeff Isn't it likely that BW1908 and DUB are the same person? Aren't people only allowed to post in multiple places?

      November 19, 2012 at 11:41AM EST
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      bbq_hax0r Plagiarism! OH NOES!

      November 20, 2012 at 12:17AM EST
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      Beekayz Fair enough if a person is posting the same post in more than one place. But why would there be multiple small changes made to the post rather than just copying and pasting the comment as a whole?

      Seems a bit suspect.

      Or maybe it is just a subtle, ironic take on this particular episode which, to quote Sepinwall (wouldn't want to be accused of plagiarism): "feels right at home in a series full of duplicitous men, who make the same promises to multiple people in multiple directions, leaving each of them wondering which version is real..."

      November 20, 2012 at 10:09PM EST
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    Haynie

    For a "chess piece" episode, this one still packed a lot of punch. Some various thoughts:

    - Richard's "would you pay a dime to see this?" line was just incredible. It was like a catchphrase for a serial killer. And then the range to go from that to the romantic beach scenes in fantastic.

    - Would Eli know who Van Alden is when he gets to Chicago? I can't remember if they ever interacted.

    - The last conversation between Shooter McGavin and Jess Smith reminded me of George talking to Lenny at the end of "Of Mice And Men." I'm sure there was some inspiration there for the writer.

    November 19, 2012 at 2:45AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Geoff "Shooter McGavin" - LoL

      November 19, 2012 at 4:14AM EST
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      JulesM Yes. Eli should remember Van Alden. Remember the big Season 1 annual St Paddy's day party where he was the keynote speaker, instead of the more eloquent Nucky, who was also there along with their late father.. Van Alden crashed the proceedings on account of the green booze they had there, and IIRC, punched one of the guests in the face before arresting Nucky.

      November 19, 2012 at 6:41AM EST
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      Lloyd
      I think they are positioning Van Alden to become the new Attorney General. All the converging stories.

      Van Alden has knowledge (or soon will) on both Capone and O'Bannion. Eli will come and he'll see that it's Van Alden.

      Well Van Alden can use his info to convince Torrio to help Nucky, if Eli/Nucky don't reveal his identity.

      Now the other thing is with Jess Smith dead, the case against Remus will have trouble. Van Alden can agree to testify against Remus, in exchange that he gets immunity for his past crimes.

      So now Van Alden is favored by Torrio for loyalty, favored by Nucky for getting alliance with Torrio, and favored by the government for getting Remus.

      Now Van Alden can go back to being Van Alden again. With Nucky's political connection though Van Alden can take the position vacated by Jess Smith.

      Nucky will then blackmail Daughtery and Daughtery will step down, so by the season 3 finale it will be able to be Van Alden who steps up to Attorney General of the United States.

      Nucky will use his connection to Sec of Treasury to ensure this.

      So in the end we wind up with Attorney General Van Alden who has corrupt links to bootleggers Torrio and Nucky Thompson.

      Season 4, Van Alden as the Attorney General would be a very interesting story I think. They can even (possibly) set up so Van Alden can be considered as a Presidential candidate in season 5 or 6, because I am pretty sure the guy who is President now in this part of history (Harding?) dies while in office. (Maybe Nucky's orders, to get Van Allen into the Presidency?)

      Just speculating on all this I think I am very convinced on Van Alden becoming Attorney General. Him becoming President via Nucky's planning is just a guess at this point. Would be interesting we have to say.

      November 19, 2012 at 6:54AM EST
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      mike dowling @lloyd - Van Alden for Attorney General? He's on the lam for murder and shot another agent before fleeing, how could he ever be made the AG?

      November 19, 2012 at 11:01AM EST
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      Dr. Dunkenstein Yeah...that doesn't make a lot of sense.

      November 19, 2012 at 11:09AM EST
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      Dave Shooter McGavin.....hysterical!!

      November 19, 2012 at 12:40PM EST
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      NuckyisLucky I was thinking of George and Lenny as well and waiting for Jess to start pining for the rabbits!

      November 19, 2012 at 1:01PM EST
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      Greg While we're talking about Adam Sandler movies... Lloyd, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

      November 19, 2012 at 2:55PM EST
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      Lloyd
      Mikey Dowling, Van Alden will make a deal with the government where he is pardoned for his crimes and given immunity, in exchange for his testimony against Remus. It is also possible this will be boosted more if Nucky has Vas Alden testify against Rothstein too. Rothstein betrayed Nucky.

      So all of Van Alden's crimes will be stricken from the record. Because of his service, he will be recommended as the replacement for Jess Smith, who was kind of like the 2nd in command to Attorney General Daughtery.

      When Nucky gets Daughtery to step down, by blackmail most likely, it is most logical for Van Alden to be promoted.

      So I think season 4, one storyline will be Van Alden as the Attorney General of the United States. Nucky also connections to Sec of Treasury, who that influence can help confirm Van Alden as Attorney General.

      Then, my speculation is in season 5 or 6, Van Alden may be a Presidential candidate to be the successor to Harding. Not as certain on that just a guess, but it seems clear to me very much that Van Alden must become the Attorney General.

      November 19, 2012 at 2:58PM EST
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      MBG I keep thinking about Shooter when in Rocco's Dinner party (as himself, Christopher McDonald) b/c my bro-in-law won that episode's cooking contest... The Van Alden speculation may not be that far-fetched, he's REALLY got screen cred & is a force, even if currently diminished.

      November 19, 2012 at 3:01PM EST
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      Michael Dowling So let me get this straight, the US government is going to use a wanted murderer now bootlegger and in your case snitch, to set him up as not only AG but later President of the USA?

      November 19, 2012 at 3:30PM EST
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      LLoyd Yes. I have been watching some old episodes today and I am more convinced than ever that the trajectory is to have Van Alden become the Attorney General.

      Now President is less certain, more of a guess on my part right now. I read that there is some "conspiracy theory" that President Harding could have been poisoned. Maybe Nucky orders him poisoned. For example, I read today Jess Smith was a real guy, and he really did commit suicide however there was almost no investigation into it and was suspicious.

      In the show Nucky ordered Jess Smith dead, although Smith ended up a suicide anyway. So maybe it is likely that Nucky would also have President Harding killed, as a plot to get Van Alden as the President.

      If Nucky controls Van Alden that means Nucky could control the President. Now that would be a very interesting story. What do you think?

      November 19, 2012 at 5:48PM EST
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      Erik People have already pointed out the insanity of suggesting that a federal fugitive will become the next attorney general by getting on the good graces of various mobsters. I'll just add that the AG is an appointed position, so the next president (Coolidge) will appoint someone. I also don't see the logic of "whoever controls the AG controls the president..."

      November 19, 2012 at 7:25PM EST
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      Lloyd Well, first Van Alden will replace Jess Smith, so he will be like the assistant and 2nd in command to the Attorney General.

      When Daughtery resigns, it will make sense to promote Van Alden because he is already next in line. Also Nucky can use his political influences and his connection to the Sec of Treasury to urge the President to "appoint" Van Alden as the Attorney General.

      I think this is truly the most likely trajectory for the character of Van Alden. Now I may be mistaken on Van Alden as a Presidential candidate when Harding dies, however it is virtually certain he will be made the Attorney General.

      This will be a very interesting storyline for Van Alden next season.

      November 19, 2012 at 8:26PM EST
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      Erik ....

      Attorneys General are appointed by the president and confirmed by congress. It's not a job where you get promoted from within. I don't suppose you stopped to consider that Van Alden is not an attorney either.

      You gave me a good laugh, though.

      November 19, 2012 at 8:41PM EST
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      Lloyd
      When they look to replace the Attorney General they will look to who was the 2nd in command as a potential successor, which makes sense. He knows what's going on. So Nucky, along with the Sec of Treasury, will use their influences to get Van Alden to be chosen as the new appointment.

      This is the 1920's here. It's all backroom deals and corrupt agreements. It is very reasonable that Nucky and his political allies will maneuver Van Alden into being selected as Attorney General.

      November 19, 2012 at 9:13PM EST
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      Lloyd
      When they look to replace the Attorney General they will look to who was the 2nd in command as a potential successor, which makes sense. He knows what's going on. So Nucky, along with the Sec of Treasury, will use their influences to get Van Alden to be chosen as the new appointment.

      This is the 1920's here. It's all backroom deals and corrupt agreements. It is very reasonable that Nucky and his political allies will maneuver Van Alden into being selected as Attorney General.

      You should also know I have a good record of making show predictions.

      November 19, 2012 at 9:14PM EST
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      LLoyd Apologies for the double post, woops.

      November 19, 2012 at 9:15PM EST
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      Erik Ok, say it with me here, nice and slow:

      Van Alden is not a lawyer.

      November 19, 2012 at 9:21PM EST
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      Lloyd
      This does not matter, he has a very extensive law enforcement background, and this will be what is used to qualify him as the Attorney General.

      Now keep in mind this is a world where it's plausible that gangsters can march into a town and stage an occupation.

      Within the heightened reality of this universe I think it is perfectly reasonable that Van Alden will become Attorney General. In real life maybe not.

      In terms of plot structure and character development it is exceedingly clear to me that the writers are positioning Van Alden to become the next Attorney General. Now I for one look forward to that storyline. Do you?

      November 19, 2012 at 9:32PM EST
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      Dr. Dunkenstein
      So....just so I have this straight. You think it does not matter if the Attorney General, who is essentially the chief Attorney for the the united states governement and is responsible for arguing government legislation in court, happens to be an attorney.

      November 19, 2012 at 9:42PM EST
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      Lloyd
      This is very much irrelevant. Van Alden does not need to be a lawyer or an attorney. His law enforcement career is enough experience to qualify him. Also, with all his connections I am sure a law degree can be forged if really necessary.

      You will see, Van Alden will be the Attorney General by season 4. I also think it is likely he will be put forward as a potential President in season 5 or 6 if Nucky has Harding poisoned.

      November 19, 2012 at 9:46PM EST
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      Michael Dowling This is great... Van Alden is a maniac and such a bizarre person him running for President even if he weren't on the lam as a murderer is so laughable you must be trolling.

      The idea that back room deals will make a wanted murderer, attempted murder on another agent, now boot legger into the Attorney General (without a law degree) is just classic. I would love if they did this, hell the show is so bad at this point it probably couldn't make it worse.

      I watch because I need to know how the story ends but I find each episode a grind to get through...

      November 19, 2012 at 9:51PM EST
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      Dr. Dunkenstein No, being an attorney is of fundamental relevance to being the Attorney General. Hence the title. They are the Attorney for the US government, responsible for legal opinion and argument. Much like the Surgeon General will be a doctor or the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs will be from the Military, the Attorney General will be an attorney.

      "A career in law enforcement" does not qualify someone to be the US Government's Attorney and make them capable of arguing legal matters before the Supreme Court.

      Leaving aside the rest of why it doesn't make sense(He's a fugitive, Jess Smith was not "second in command" of the Justice Department, political appointments in those days were scrutinized by the press, the person who succeeded Harry Daughetry was a real person and the show has yet to wholesale invent history) I'm pretty sure they won't ignore the realities of what an Attorney General does.

      November 19, 2012 at 9:58PM EST
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      Lloyd
      Michael Dowling - I do not know that Van Alden will "run" for President, rather Nucky will manipulate events to forward Van Alden as a possible candidate after he has Harding killed.

      The show may choose to have Van Alden's candidacy end with disaster, or they could actually divert from history and make it so that Van Alden becomes President. This could change the course of Prohibition.

      Now let me say again I am not certain on this Presidency storyline, it's a guess. I am however very certain on him becoming Attorney General.

      Dr. Dunkenstein - Your objection on this issue is not a significant enough obstacle, in the world of this show, to prevent Van Alden becoming Attorney General. Hell, the characters may even address it as a potential stumbling block. It is a problem that can be solved, easily. With corruption so rampant and Nucky's connections, this is no problem.


      There is no denying that Van Alden will become the Attorney General. The Presidency possibility, I admit, is more up in the air. That is more speculation and a gut feeling on my part. Attorney General though the story adds up.

      November 19, 2012 at 10:12PM EST
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      Dr. Dunkenstein Heck, I'm on board. Van Alden becomes Attorney General but why stop the craziness there? Nucky defeats Gyp by inventing the A-Bomb, Margaret knocks out Joe Louis to become Heavyweight Champion, all the while Richard enters the super soldier program and becomes Captain America.

      ...Yikes.

      November 19, 2012 at 10:24PM EST
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      Lloyd
      Dr. Dunenstein, very sarcastic of you. Of course Van Alden becoming Attorney General is realistic and supported by the direction of the story, whereas your above jokes are not. Very amusing though.

      November 19, 2012 at 10:45PM EST
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      bbq_hax0r "I think they are positioning Van Alden to become the new Attorney General. All the converging stories."

      I stopped reading all those comments after that, but I must say, I'd vote him as President rather than Coolidge.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:20AM EST
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      Trey Capone: What am I gonna do with you George? MAKE YOU THE NEW ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT'S WHAT!

      November 20, 2012 at 11:19AM EST
    • LMFAO @ Trey. Well played, sir!

      November 20, 2012 at 11:57AM EST
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      JacksonVoss @LLOYD No, no, I got it. Nelson Van Alden changed his name to George Mueller, right, so why could he not change his name AGAIN to Harlan F. Stone, who was Daugherty's successor as AG and who later served on the Supreme Court? Boom.

      But wait, Harlan F. Stone was a real guy who taught at Columbia and worked on Wall Street. So maybe the president (at this point it will be Coolidge) appoints the real Harlan F. Stone, but Van Alden kills him and takes his identity!!!

      But wait again, you wanted Van Alden to succeed Harding as President, so maybe he kills Vice President Coolidge and takes HIS identity, then Nucky poisons Harding, then President Nelson Van Coolidge kills Harlan F. Stone, so he can pose as Mr. Stone and essentially APPOINT HIMSELF as his own Attorney General. Nobody will know, because there wasn't TV back then, and he'd just wear a different hat depending on who he's pretending to be.

      There, I fixed your theory.

      November 20, 2012 at 3:29PM EST
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      madmeme @Lloyd - Harry Daugherty, Jess Smith, Gaston Bullock Means - these were all real people - with real histories. Yes, Jess Smith actually committed suicide under suspicious circumstances (although BE changed the dates a bit). When Harry Daugherty was finally forced to resign in 1924 by Coolidge (after Harding died), Coolidge appointed the unimpeachable Harlan F. Stone, the former dean of Columbia Law School. So no, I afraid the BE writers will not rewrite history and make Van Alden Attorney General.

      November 20, 2012 at 5:35PM EST
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      Shooter McGavin Damn you people, this is Prohibition!

      November 20, 2012 at 5:37PM EST
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      Beekayz Van Alden may not be qualified to be the next A.G., but that won't stop him from being appointed the next King of the United States (just my theory).

      November 20, 2012 at 10:15PM EST
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      Lloyd MadMeme, the writers have already altered history with the character of Nucky Thompson and the influence of fictional characters like Gyp Rosetti, James Darmody, and Chalky White.

      They are building, gradually mayhaps, an alternate history. These fictional characters have important dealings with historical figures, it is reasonable that over time their interactions will cause the world of the show to diverge from the actual history.

      One such major diversion WILL be that Van Alden will become the Attorney General. This is an inevitable consequence of the convergence of various storylines as well as character development.

      In Season 4, it will be Attorney General Van Alden. Do you really deny this?

      November 21, 2012 at 2:17AM EST
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      Beekayz Is Lloyd a troll of the highest order or am I giving him too much credit? I'm just not sure whether I should be impressed by him or pity him.

      November 21, 2012 at 3:18AM EST
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      lloyd
      Everything I have said is based on the storylines introduced and the character trajectories that make sense.

      Things are aligning for Van Alden to become the next Attorney General of the US. When you think about it, the influence of all these fictional characters has to exert more and more change upon the historical figures, and therefore the actual history.

      This is a fictional show, that includes historical figures, but it is not required to maintain the real history. There is an entire genre called alternate history, and that is essentially what Boardwalk Empire already is. It is just going further into that realm, which is inevitable.

      One of the major changes will be that in this universe, it is Van Alden who will become the next Attorney General. I believe this is certain. It is POSSIBLE he will be put forward as a candidate for the Presidency or try to seize the Presidency, because I feel Nucky will poison President Harding, but this part is a guess. The only part I am positive on is Van Alden becoming the Attorney General.

      November 21, 2012 at 5:18PM EST
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      madmeme There is NO evidence whatsoever that the BE writers are going to veer from real history. In fact, aside from minor details, they have followed the basic facts. Terrence Winter has said that they changed the name of Nucky Johnson specifically so that they could alter his personal history if they desired - which implies that they will NOT alter the personal history of real, named figures. You are wrong - period.

      November 21, 2012 at 5:39PM EST
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      LLoyd
      MadMeme, what you fail to realize is that the mere presence of Nucky Thompson at all has already created a different history, one substantially different than real history. The same is true for the presence of people like James Darmody, Richard Harrow, Van Alden, and Gyp Rosetti.

      For example, Masseria in real life never got into a violent beef with Atlantic City. One of many examples.

      The very existence of fictional characters in this world and the scenarios they create or are involved necessitates that the show increasingly diverges from real history.

      This is a fact, whether you disagree with my theory on Van Alden or not.

      Now the evidence suggests to me that we will see Van Alden as the next Attorney General.

      November 21, 2012 at 10:45PM EST
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      Beekayz Lloyd: Since you're so big on facts, why can't you get your head around the concept that the first word in the title 'Attorney General' is ATTORNEY!

      It doesn't matter how many mobsters you have in your back pocket, without the necessary qualifications your theory is nonsensical.

      Last time I'm going to comment in this thread, because if you don't get it by now, you never will.

      November 21, 2012 at 10:56PM EST
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      Lloyd
      I have answered this numerous times. It would be quite easy for people like Nucky to acquire forged documentation and use political dealings to overlook Van Alden's qualifications or lack thereof.

      This is a minor obstacle, may be addressed by the characters, and could easily be solved in one or two scenes in one episode.

      We are talking about if somebody like Van Alden would become Attorney General in real life. This is a TV show and exists in a heightened reality. In real life a squad of gangsters in the 1920's could not march into a town and occupy it, nevermind after burning a sheriff alive and having a massive shootout. We suspend disbelief for that because in the context of the universe in Boardwalk Empire it works.

      In the context of the universe of Boardwalk Empire it does work and will work when Van Alden becomes Attorney General.

      November 21, 2012 at 11:44PM EST
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    belinda

    Noooooooo Owen! My eye candy for the show.

    "but now I wonder if it was all leading us to the moment where Margaret has to ask Dr. Mason to give her an abortion."

    That's exactly what I think would be the case.

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      Apollonia Definitely. That young doctor will help her. He's half in love with her. Or maybe more.

      November 19, 2012 at 10:09AM EST
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      Darden They took a once bad-ass character and put him in with Margaret and... whether or not he intended to run away with her or just string her along like he did Katy is up for debate but once he started talking that "let's run away" stuff his fate was sealed. Masseria may have killed him, but thematcally Margaret did- makes me hate her really for the first time. See I didn't mind her being annoying last season. There are annoying people in real life and I believed her Catholic guilt, plus she seemed to have needed to get to those depths to push her into the philanthropists role at the beginning of this season and she started to look like Margaret from season one, but...

      November 20, 2012 at 1:59PM EST
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      Darden Once they put her back with Owen, which was of course inevitable but should have been a one time thing or at most just periodical, they marginalized her and him. He didn't kill anyone this season and she lost her philanthropist thing. Once again she, like all the women on the show with the exception of Gillian, is only important in relation to her proximity to a man. Granted the show is set in the '20s and is a gangster show so women's roles are expected to be of little import (at least til we get a gun moll for half a season) but it's clear the show has no idea what to do with its female characters. Owen could have gon a long time- one of those characters that starts off hated (in this case because he was Irish and not Darms) but who with time becomes more loved than "Whatever that guy's name was who was killed in season 2." He was more believable as a possible bodyguard for someone like Nucky from the way he dressed compared to a lot of the gangsters to the fact that unlike the derivative Jimmy he wasn't trying to be Michael Corleone. But the show seems to want a two season limit for the fictional characters. With thisn the killing of the Commodore who could've come back in later seasons to give Nucky trouble instead of the continued, hackneyed "getting more sucked into the gangster world" problems which probably means more Gyp Rosetti-type characters, the killing of Manny Horvitz though cool- this show is shooting itself in the foot visibly and regularly now and the writers are gonna have some hurdles to jump in future seasons so we may see some weird stuff... mark my words.

      November 20, 2012 at 2:12PM EST
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    Geoff

    So funny seeing the intro credits of alcohol floating on a beach ... opening to a intro scene of alcohol floating on a beach - LoL

    November 19, 2012 at 4:16AM EST Reply to Comment
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      GarySF Yeah, I've been waiting for a scene like that since the pilot episode. Always thought the opening credits was supposed to be more symbolic though. Never really cared for it in any case.

      November 21, 2012 at 6:06PM EST
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    JDEE

    Excellent reveiw Boardwalk has been on it's fuckin game this year in my eyes.i can't understand all the whining and complaining i read online at times.in my opinion it's the second best show on tv behind Breaking Bad

    November 19, 2012 at 4:34AM EST Reply to Comment
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    nath

    Yeah, the anachronism of the palindrome took me out of the episode a bit, too.

    As did having another "The future looks bright for this character; time to die!" episode. As soon as Owen proposed to Katey like that I was pretty sure he was going to die.

    November 19, 2012 at 4:38AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Timeline Surfing Phillip

    Mr. Sepinwall,

    Do you think it is possible the writers of this show would alter history by killing a character such as Arnold Rothstein?

    It would be very interesting if they diverged from history and created a "alternate" timeline of sorts. Which they are already technically doing because Nucky Thompson is a lot more involved in gangery than Nucky Johnson ever was. Old Johnson certainly profited from Prohibition but there is no evidence that he personally did murders or even committed them. He was more of just a corrupt politician.

    So we already have a kind of alternate universe. Do you think it would be gutsy, or would it be absurd, to make a major historical change like killing off Rothstein, Capone, or Luciano?

    I think that would be a good topsy turvy. Generally in this show we know that the fictional characters are liable to wind up dead and the historical characters are safe. I declare it would bring ridiculous suspense to the show if that was all blasted by killing off a major historical character.

    Do you think this would be too strange, or would it be an interesting choice?

    November 19, 2012 at 5:49AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Apollonia Arnold Rothstein will outlast all the other characters. He is one wily dude! Gyp Rossetti is doomed, however. Old "Mad Anthony" Rossetti will not be around much longer.

      November 19, 2012 at 10:12AM EST
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      Atta Nucky was given a different last name than the actual AC guy because the writers said they wanted to be able to alter his future. They won't be able to change any main event of a nonfiction character because that would wipe out any future real life event they would want to utilize in the story. Once you cross that line you can't say for sure what would still happen in real life. You lose that believability in your storytelling.

      November 19, 2012 at 1:24PM EST
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      David Arnold Rothstein died in 1928. I forget what year this season is set in, but based on that info Rothstein's days are definitely numbered.

      November 19, 2012 at 1:45PM EST
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      Diana Bloise Re: your comment "Once you cross that line, . . . you lose that believability in your storytelling." Tell that to Philip Roth! (see his novel"The Plot Against America")

      November 19, 2012 at 2:29PM EST
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      GarySF Was great seeing Arnold Rothstein in Lincoln!

      November 21, 2012 at 6:08PM EST
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    Mike Dowling

    Gyp Rossetti is a ridiculous character, no one so unhinged, homicidal, and unpredictable would ever make it to the level he did. Sure you have to be a killer and ruthless but Gyp is just insane and murders his own men and civilians without any issue. He would be way too much of a liability. I also think it's ridiculous that he can basically just commandeer a town for months.

    Then there is Margaret, I can't stand her, I hate all of her story lines. She marries the man who is a known gangster, he killed her husband and children's father, she spends his money then despises him for what he does? She acts like she is better than everyone else, she didn't grow up privileged so I don't where that even comes from.

    And Nucky going after Joe Masseria was also a dumb plot, no way a guy like Nucky goes after a boss like that. And how would he ever think that would stay a secret after he had a meeting with 10 other gangsters and told them about it and they walked out of the room.

    I hope they kill Nucky and just end the show, but I know they already have a 4th season so no luck in that.

    November 19, 2012 at 10:05AM EST Reply to Comment
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      HISLOCAL I think it's possible that Gyp's sidekick might shoot him in the back. Like you say, he can't just go apeshit and kill his own guys without repercussions, but I'm not thinking repercussions from the top guys, I'm thinking his own guys will say "screw this, I'm tired of working in fear" and take him out. That would kind of rule.

      November 19, 2012 at 10:13AM EST
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      Lee I'm beginning to agree with you about Gyp. Watching the beach scene with Gyp pontificating in his Mad Hatter style and then the reveal of the offender buried in the sand up to his neck, I wondered why anyone would work for this guy! When he asked for the shovel, I knew exactly what would come next, though the "You owe me" comment was a shocker even for Gyp. I love Bobby Cannavale's performance in this show, but Gyp is just getting to be a little too over-the-top to be a believable character.

      November 20, 2012 at 5:31PM EST
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      madmeme @MIKE DOWLING = Why are you watching this show? You don't sound like you're getting any enjoyment out of it if you're wishing for it to end.

      November 20, 2012 at 5:41PM EST
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    HISLOCAL

    I think they've completely blown it with the Gyp Rosetti character. They spent the first 5 episodes of the season illustrating his rage (killing people for perceived insults) and his feud with Nucky.....and then they do the botched assassination, and the episode ends with Gyp covered in blood, growling like a dog with a leash on his neck, and you go "Oh sheeeeeeeeeeeeeit, they unleashed the beast!!!"......and then he's not in the next episode.....and then in the following episode he's being henpecked by his wife and begging Masseria for a chance.......and then he takes control of the operation and puts on the admiral hat and you're like "Oh sheeeeeeeeeeeeeit, he finally lost his marbles, he's gonna go off like a powder keg!!!"........and then this week he's still just running his day-to-day operations, and kills a guy for a perceived insult......y'know, like he did in the first scene of the season.

    tl;dr - they keep making you think things are gonna blow up w/ Gyp, but then they don't. I kinda don't even care anymore.

    November 19, 2012 at 10:10AM EST Reply to Comment
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      bbq_hax0r My favorite part of that comment was the "Oh sheeeeeeeeeit! parts"

      November 20, 2012 at 12:26AM EST
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    Mike Dowling

    I really don't get the love affair with Richard, his character just kind of floats in and out, he has no real point in the show since Jimmy was killed. I liked him much better as the psychopathic murdering half face. Richard and Van Alden's characters have to be the two most pointless, (maybe Jimmy's mother too).

    November 19, 2012 at 10:27AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Andrew Y Couldn't disagree more. The guy is an incredibly complex character and to see him go from where he was when he met Jimmy to the current season is impressive. He has been an assassin, a loyal soldier, sympathetic war hero, surrogate parent to Tommy while showing his own child like characteristics in terms of being a functioning person in society...and carrying off his affliction with incredible dignity. Not to mention his own despair last season when he was going to kill himself. Probably the most interesting character on the show.

      November 19, 2012 at 3:06PM EST
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      Captain Omega
      I think he's the most interesting character on the show.

      Also, with Owen dead, we can pretty much be assured that Nucky will turn to Richard for help with the Rosetti situation. This will likely lead to Richard working for Nucky in the following season, where he will be more closely involved with whatever the main story arc is.

      Richard see's Tommy as his responsibility now, because Richard is not a "psychopath" but somebody who is extremely loyal. He has already said he has nothing personal against Nucky. If Richard can work for Nucky and in exchange secure a good upbringing for Tommy away from insane Gillian, he will do it.

      November 19, 2012 at 6:18PM EST
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      GarySF I love Richard's character, and agree with elements of both arguments. He's complex, very loyal and very interesting. He lives in his skin with dignity, and overall he's a big asset to the show. But since Jimmy was killed, he has been marginalized, and a character this interesting needs to be more closely connected to the primary story of the show. So it would make sense for him to go to work for Nucky, using his sniper skills once in a while.

      His line while choking his girlfriend's father, which I didn't catch on my first viewing but read here in the comments, was heartbreaking upon hearing it the second time around: "Would you pay a dime to see this?"

      November 21, 2012 at 6:16PM EST
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    JREinATL

    "What's in the box?!?!?!?!"

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      Patrick Hahaha, I think gwyneth's head was in there too

      November 20, 2012 at 11:32PM EST
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    Quirkydude

    Richard will be the one to take out Rosetti.

    November 19, 2012 at 11:21AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Mike Dowling I tend to agree I can't think of any other reason why he is still around and so prominent, he has nothing going on but baby-sitting since Jimmy got killed.

      November 19, 2012 at 11:43AM EST
    • Strong theory, especially since we've seen Gyp and Gillian have some interaction already. Those two could easily come into contact.

      November 19, 2012 at 12:02PM EST
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    Quirkydude

    Write a comment...Richard will be the one to take our Rosetti.

    November 19, 2012 at 11:22AM EST Reply to Comment
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    zediaul

    I can't believe I doubted this season. Very good.

    Just the right amount of kapowing in this episode, too. One of the long-standing criticisms of The Sopranos reading the reviews over different seasons was the fact that there wasn't enough gun-play and gangster business; Boardwalk seems to be going down that route too, in this third season all about gangsters, trying to find a balance that best serves the story and the audience. That was definitely an unjustified criticism of The Sopranos and I thought, on the contrary, that's what made the show so good. Not a surprise to see Boardwalk do the same (of course, there are still murders by the episode, but like its predecessor, they're only largely minor ones to progress the plot).

    Of course, Boardwalk's just an 8/10 compared to that 10/10, but I'm happy with what I'm seeing. Perhaps we'll see that tick over to 9 by the finale in a fortnight.

    (Now watch Lucy Danziger make a return ...)

    November 19, 2012 at 11:42AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Dr. Dunkenstein

    I suppose I'm a little bit confused about the way this episode got us reconsidering Owen's character. All season long we've been presented with the idea of Owen as the white knight who was Margaret's salvation from her relationship with Nucky, a relationship that had fallen apart because of the bad things Nucky did and his dalliances on the side.

    So...Owen was different how then? He's a mob hitman who was so "devoted" to her that despite what they've had going on he still maintains his relationship with another girl on the side?

    I don't know, I suppose it was just jarring. You could take the idea that he was lying to Katie so she wouldn't blab to Nucky but otherwise it seems as though a character they'd gone to a bit of trouble to depict as a good guy seems now to be almost exactly like Nucky, only better looking.

    November 19, 2012 at 12:03PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Michael Dowling Owen turned his back on his old boss in Ireland and he got killed while Owen drove off and didn't seem to care at all. Owen is cheating with his current bosses wife while proposing marriage to another girl.

      I think Owen was really just a sociopath who didn't have much loyalty to anything or anyone but Owen. I like how his character was ended, it seemed appropriate and timely.

      What I can't figure out is how Nucky gets out of this now without it coming off as completely absurd. He has his German butler and dopey brother vs the largest Italian crime boss in NYC he just tried to kill and a homicidal Gyp Rossetti and an Army. I know Nucky does live or there wouldn't be a season 4, but I don't see how they do it without making the show completely ridiculous.

      November 19, 2012 at 12:32PM EST
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      rcade Margaret's belief that Owen was an escape from Nucky's world was pretty amazing. He was as duplicitous and violent as Nucky. What was he going to do in St. Louis -- sell irons door to door? No. He would've continued to be a criminal.

      November 19, 2012 at 1:58PM EST
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      mtk41 I think the simple answer, Michael, is Chalky. He suddenly reappeared wanting something, and Nucky needs something that he has: the ability to assemble an army of African Americans.

      November 19, 2012 at 4:46PM EST
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      mtk41 And if not Chalky, I can easily see Capone & Chicago getting involved now that they need liquor with Remus in trouble

      November 19, 2012 at 4:48PM EST
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      Michael Dowling @ MTK41 - a chalky/nucky/torrio alliance is what appears to be alluded to, but by this point to force that in at the 11th hour seems really contrived and it would be hard to sell.

      November 19, 2012 at 5:51PM EST
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      Geoff "Owen as the white knight who was Margaret's salvation" - haven't you seen the Sopranos?

      November 19, 2012 at 6:09PM EST
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      bbq_hax0r @Dowling - You forgot to mention Gyp has an army AND a navy. But yea, Nucky still has Chicago and Chalky. Not to mention it seems destined to end up with Richard. He's not in such a terrible situation. Besides, do you think Rothstein is going to be thrilled that Meyer and Lucky went to someone else?

      November 20, 2012 at 12:32AM EST
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    rl1856

    Richard will be working for Nucky. All but guaranteed after last night. Nucky will back Chalky's Club in exchange for Chalky's support in taking on Rossetti et al. Now that the Old Forrester distillery has been resurrected, Chicago will have a new source of liquor and a reason to support Nucky. Margaret will support Nucky at a crucial time, while their relationship may not be healed, it will improve somewhat. Jillian will be a casualty allowing Richard to adopt Teddy. Richard and Julia will presumably have access to Commodore's money, allowing for the potential of escape into a calmer life, but I don't think Richard can just walk away. VanAlden will become a Capone spy and eventually provide more intel when Capone aligns with Nucky.

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    rcade

    I wish we had seen how Owen got killed instead of spending time watching Gyp Rossetti torture and murder another inconsequential character. I was invested in Owen. I didn't care about the dog walker, Tabor Heights cop and talkative cousin who Gyp killed. WE GET IT. Gyp is a sociopath with a hair-trigger temper. What I don't get is how Gyp advanced as high as he did without an underling or revenge seeker killing him.

    Regarding the mob war, Arnold Rothstein's decision to take no action against Rossetti makes no sense to me. Didn't he order the hit when Bugsy Siegel killed Rossetti's men and nearly got Rossetti? Wasn't he nearly blown up in the boardwalk bombing? How can he now think he can back off and let other people fight it out? He's got as much skin in the game as anybody.

    November 19, 2012 at 1:56PM EST Reply to Comment
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      mr. thomp$on I agree that Gyp's psycho-act is getting old, but I think that the scene with the cousin might be there for a reason. I think that Gyp's #2 is going to eventually sell him out. He seemed to be pretty shocked after Gyp whacked his cousin. He knows that he could get the same treatment if he says the wrong thing infront of Gyp.

      November 19, 2012 at 4:31PM EST
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      randy Really enjoyed the handling of Owen's death, not seeing it on screen, et al. Pretty easy to imagine what went down.

      November 20, 2012 at 12:56AM EST
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    irieagogo

    Last week, I wrote:


    irieagogo

    When Gyp walked up to the guys loading trucks wearing his tricorn hat, I had the feeling we are getting close to the episode that will lead to the masses of bottles crashing in from the ocean that we see in the opening credits. It'll turn out that Nucky still has concussion-scrambled brains and that's why he's been standing there for a few years letting the waves wash over his snazzy shoes. Not sure if the bottles are going to be Nucky's revenge on a competitor or his own ruined inventory, but it's coming.
    November 12, 2012 at 2:07PM EST Reply to Comment


    rcade Shouldn't the credits be taken as symbolic, rather than literal? Nucky is standing on shore watching bootleg hooch come in from the ocean and trying to keep his shoes (and himself) clean.
    November 14, 2012 at 6:33PM EST

    And then someone else wrote:

    rcade Shouldn't the credits be taken as symbolic, rather than literal? Nucky is standing on shore watching bootleg hooch come in from the ocean and trying to keep his shoes (and himself) clean.

    Called it.

    November 19, 2012 at 8:38PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Brad

    What's in the box!? What's in the fucking box!?

    November 19, 2012 at 9:43PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Stan

    Wow. I can't believe the review and comments here. After watching this episode I came here expecting Alan and everyone to rip this show for how obvious and cliche the story was. I'm amazed everyone seems so positive on this.

    I felt like Owen's death was set-up in the most deliberate way possible. The only way it could have been more obvious was if he told Margaret not to worry, he was retiring in three days and then they'd be able to enjoy life on the beach. Even though I have been expecting Owen to die and Margaret to be pregnant, I don't think they needed the "Let's get married, but we'll talk about it after I get back from this dangerous mission" statement. And they didn't really need to end with the conversation between Owen and Margaret to have the "big reveal."

    I don't know. Maybe my head was in a different place from everyone else.

    November 19, 2012 at 9:54PM EST Reply to Comment
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      bbq_hax0r Man, I'm to old for this sheeeeiiiit!

      November 20, 2012 at 12:35AM EST
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      Michael Dowling I took it a different way, Owen also told Katie he was going to marry her. I tend to look at him as simply a sociopath who doesn't care what he says and he never any intention of marrying Katie or leaving with Margaret.

      November 20, 2012 at 11:23AM EST
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    Caitlin

    Even though Nucky has a lot of pride, I can imagine they might come together because they are both at a vulnerable place after the loss of both their lovers.

    November 19, 2012 at 10:25PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Roy Munson

    So who was sleeping in Jess Smith's bed?

    Gunshots don't wake them up?

    November 20, 2012 at 12:48AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Ryan

    Though not directly related to this episode, but why doesn't Nucky and the gang just build another gas station along the coastal road? They have plenty of money, right? It could serve as a front and help avoid the problem with Gyp.

    November 20, 2012 at 12:06PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Beekayz They would still have to go through the town controlled by Gyp though, wouldn't they? And what would stop Gyp from taking over the gas station that Nucky builds? Nucky's solution has to be of a more permanent variety.

      November 21, 2012 at 7:38PM EST
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