Press Tour: FOX's president on Tuesday comedies, 'Glee,' edginess & more
Kevin Reilly wants to 'put a little of the FOX back in FOX'
In hindsight, would FOX have been better off promoting just "New Girl" in the fall rather than the entire Tuesday comedy bloc.
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It's been a Freaky Friday week here at press tour. On Sunday, NBC made its first tour appearance in years where it had ratings numbers to brag about, which network boss Robert Greenblatt did at some length. FOX, meanwhile, is likely about to see the end of a long streak of being the first place network on television among adults 18-49, thanks to a dismal fall in which "X Factor" dipped, the Tuesday comedy bloc couldn't get off the ground, and "Mob Doctor"(*) would have been canceled after two weeks if FOX had anything on the bench to replace it with. So this time it was FOX entertainment president Kevin Reilly who wasted no time with prepared remarks, saying, "Nobody's happier than us to get ourselves into a fresh year" before opening it up to reporters' questions within the first 30 seconds of hie executive session.
(*) In the post-executive session scrum, Reilly called "Mob Doctor" "the worst title in the history of the world." Shawn Ryan and the rest of the gang from "Terriers" might beg to differ.
Fienberg has a thorough play by play of what was said in his live-blog, so I'm just going to touch on a few interesting themes and tidbits from both the panel and the scrum afterwards.
I don't like Tuesdays: "Of all the frustrations we had in the fall, our Tuesday comedy bloc was probably the biggest one, because I believe in those shows," Reilly said. Later, he acknowledged that in retrospect, he should have focused more on protecting the return of "New Girl," which started off strong last fall before fading significantly in the ratings by the end of its first season.
"I still would've gone with those comedies," he said in the scrum, "but I would've really promoted 'New Girl' — solely 'New Girl' — rather than a bloc, because they didn't know the other shows, and we needed 'New Girl' to be even stronger and more of a destination, and I think that suffered by being lumped in with other shows they didn't quite know."
For now, he said, "we've jut gotta play through" — meaning no radical changes to the bloc (it sounds like "Goodwin Games" is going to be held for summer, because he doesn't think it would be enough of a hit to merit the scheduling disruption) for the rest of this season, before regrouping for next fall. Whether anything other than "New Girl" will survive to next fall remains an open question.
Let FOX be FOX: Reilly, who was at the helm of FX back when "The Shield" debuted, said, "It is a goal of mine to put a little of the FOX back in FOX. Before there was cable, FOX was cable. We were the edge of what was bold." In recent years, thanks in part to the success of "American Idol," FOX has gone for broader-appeal series like "Bones" — which is a good show but would fit comfortably on other networks in a way that many of the classic FOX hits wouldn't — rather than experiment, and that lack of boldness seems to have caught up to the network.
Reilly noted that the network used to have more male viewers than it does now (and cited the lack of those viewers as one of the big problems for the Tuesday comedies), and the goal was to try to change the gender balance, while looking for different kinds of shows in next year's development.
"And I want to be a little louder," he said. "That doesn't mean crass, but the best of FOX makes noise. Some of that is being a little bolder, and a little louder. Next year, you'll see more of that."
Sex and violence: Unlike Kevin Williamson, creator of FOX's upcoming serial killer drama "The Following," Reilly was at least prepared for questions about violence on television, particularly in the wake of the Newtown tragedy. At times, that just meant he was prepared to more artfully dodge those questions — "It's a more complex conversation," he said at one point. "I think it trivializes to link it to television or broadcast television specifically." — but at others, he was articulate and thoughtful in noting that a Puritan-founded country like America has always been more comfortable with fictional depictions of violence than of sex, and candid in admitting that "People like these things. We're in the business of providing things people like."
In the scrum, though, Reilly got testy as those questions continued, curtly answering one question by saying he was "getting tired talking about the same thing." When another reporter asked if Reilly believed a fictional story had ever inspired anyone to kill, an incredulous Reilly said, "Really?" and turned his back on that writer.
'Glee' questions: Reilly said it's "a real possibility" that he might order the next season of "Glee" early to make it possible for Oxygen to produce another season of "The Glee Project," which can't happen if renewal doesn't come until May. He said he was pleased with the way the show has split its storylines between Lima and New York this season (and has given up on the idea of just doing a Rachel and Kurt spin-off). Given that even more characters would be graduating this spring, a reporter asked if the show might ever leave Lima behind altogether; Reilly said he had yet to talk to Ryan Murphy about storytelling plans beyond this season.
It's still Britney?: Even though the arrival of Britney Spears and Demi Lovato couldn't keep the ratings on "X Factor" from dipping over the disappointing first season, Reilly insisted that the show was better this year (Fienberg would strongly disagree), and that he's pleased with the ratings, especially given how many hours the show airs in the fall. "It just unfortunately didn't get to the level of expectations," he said, and told me that despite the middling ratings and huge budget, the show still makes money for the network. So Dan's dream of getting out of recapping the show will have to wait at least one more year.
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January 8, 2013 at 8:16PM EST Reply to CommentI can't imagine how FOX could ever get "a little louder." It's the most obnoxious network on TV as far as its presentation. Next Fall will FOX literally reach out of the TV, put viewers in a head lock, and refuse to let go until they declare undying fealty to all things FOX, forsaking all others?
Greg
January 8, 2013 at 9:17PM EST Reply to CommentGoodwin Games airing on summer is dumb. Why not air it after American Idol? At least give the show a fighting chance. No way it's getting renewed if it goes to summer.
mgrabois
January 9, 2013 at 1:23AM EST Reply to Comment"Reilly called "Mob Doctor" "the worst title in the history of the world." Shawn Ryan and the rest of the gang from "Terriers" might beg to differ. "
Ahem, "Cougar Town".
CinemaPsycho
January 9, 2013 at 2:56AM EST Reply to CommentNo review of Parenthood tonight Alan? I'm pretty sure Max come out of the closet (not that there's anything wrong with that) and an abortion actually happened offscreen. That's a pretty big episode.
andrei Give it time, Psycho, give it time...... these darn press tour cocktail parties keep getting in the way!
January 9, 2013 at 10:16AM EST(Just kidding, Alan - I'm sure one of the panels today will be boring enough for you to get a review written and posted!)
Swearin
January 9, 2013 at 7:29AM EST Reply to CommentThe picture that leads off this post just highlights FOX's (and most network television, IMO) demographic problems. "New Girl" was conceived as three young, single men gravitating around the sun that is Zooey Deschanel. It's become more of an ensemble since then, sure, but I would say the characters (especially Schmidt) have become more feminine. "Raising Hope" and "Ben & Kate" are about raising a little girl, and the men on these shows have become defined by their relationships to the women. Same with "Mindy Project", which is basically "New Girl" in a workplace.
ABC has "Grey's Anatomy", "Revenge", "Once Upon A Time", "Don't Trust the B", and "The Bachelor", as a quick sampling, all shows aimed squarely at female viewers. "Happy Endings" is okay, except the male characters are all controlled by their wives/girlfriends, or gay. "Modern Family" might have the one real man on network TV, Jay, who was also, ironically, Al Bundy.
Most guys have fled to cable, where they have the likes of "Sons of Anarchy", "Boardwalk Empire", "Justified", "Louie", "Burn Notice", "Breaking Bad", "Mad Men", shows with strong, masculine protaganists (and more than a few interesting, layered female characters as well, not the quirky and/or neurotic hot messes the networks seem fine with).
"But men, especially young men, don't watch TV" you might be saying. Well, maybe that's because the only shows that appeal to them are on cable, and Netflix/Hulu/playing XBox instead is cheaper. If the networks want more male viewers, knock it off with the fem-coms and singing competitions and maybe they'll come back.
Slushy Hey, this was a really interesting comment. I like most of FOX's Tuesday comedy block (I'm a guy), but never thought about who it might appeal to from a gender perspective. Based on my anecdotal evidence, reality TV (singing/dance competitions) would drive away male viewers from network TV. I pretty much watch either sitcoms on network TV or shows on FX/HBO. Sorry AMC.
January 9, 2013 at 2:37PM ESTSara You forgot about "The Walking Dead."
January 9, 2013 at 2:59PM ESTBrian ""Modern Family" might have the one real man on network TV, Jay..."
January 9, 2013 at 5:33PM ESTClearly you have never seen the Swanson Pyramid of Greatness.
http://parksandrecreation.wikia.com/wiki/Ron_Swanson's_Pyramid_of_Greatness
Swearin Oh man, one of my New Years resolutions is to make a poster out of that pyramid. Can't believe I forgot Ron F'ing Swanson! But still, sometimes P&R still feels like "The Leslie Knope Show." I'm actually glad she took a step back from her relationship to Ron in the Christmas episode.
January 9, 2013 at 11:02PM ESTTO This makes me really, really, sad (as a guy). Do we really need misogynistic and/or hyper-masculine protagonists to step away from whichever sports/shoot-em-up XBox game we prefer?
January 10, 2013 at 1:53AM ESTI mean, I love Mad Men/Breaking Bad/Game of Thrones/etc as much as the next guy, but if you can't watch New Girl/New Normal/Happy Endings/etc because the males are "too gay" or "too fem" then... Christ... keep filling up your DVR with Rules of Engagement and pretending you're a man because your fridge has more Bud Light in it than vegetables.
So. Much. Overcompensation.
erika_herzog
January 9, 2013 at 11:20AM EST Reply to CommentWait a minute, I haven't read daniel's blow-by-blow yet but is this yutz really saying the lack of make viewers is why his network is not doing well? What the hell!?!
I don't care for this. At all.
Ray Erika, I am curious as to why you don't care for this. What is wrong with a network identifying one demographic as a problem for them?
January 9, 2013 at 7:04PM EST