Cannes Film Festival 2013

New 'Community' producers Moses Port and David Guarascio preview season 4

On losing Chevy Chase, preparing for senior year and whether, in hindsight, they'd have chosen to succeed Dan Harmon

<p>The "Community" producers are new, but the faces in front of the camera remain the same.</p>

The "Community" producers are new, but the faces in front of the camera remain the same.

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As an outsider, you can look at “Community” and say, “Alright, this is the show were they do the pop culture pastiche, and we’re going to do an episode that’s a parody of ‘Hunger Games.’” What is it that separates it beyond the level of what a “Community” fan fiction writer could do versus what actually makes it “Community”?
 
David Guarascio: Well, for starters, we never approach it that way.  I understand why it will often look that way like, “Oh, that’s a popular movie; let’s do that this week.” But we never really think of it that way. We’re always thinking about the characters first and what they’re going through. What emotional situations are we putting them in that they might be reacting to in a funny way. All those other things get layered on afterwards, and I think in that sense the trickiest thing about the show is that the show is so self-aware, and when you’re self-aware you can lose your emotional footing. The show manages not to do that, in our view. So it’s threading that needle. It’s being completely self-aware, which is essentially a detached kind of idea and then still feeling like you have real emotional moments. And you’re connecting to the characters because you empathize with them. And it’s just walking on that high wire is the trickiest is part about the shot.
 
So with the premiere, at what stage did you decide this would be a “Hunger Games” parody?
 
Moses Port: That was the first thing we thought of. No, I’m kidding.
 
David Guarascio: Well we knew that we wanted to do an episode that was the first thing was reflective of the outside change in the show. Not that we wanted it to be about that, but we knew that we wanted the fact that there’s a big change going on creatively, should somehow be in the DNA of the episode. And we knew that part of that change is that this is kind of senior year. Which is where change becomes to be an issue for some people.
 
Moses Port: That would affect Abed.
 
David Guarascio: Yes.
 
Moses Port: Considerably.
 
David Guarascio: And then also how it would affect Jeff, because he wants to be there, but he also knows that he can’t be forever and how he’s trying to walk that line. And also there’s something in the way that the Dean as a character has evolved overtime and become more and more and part of the group. He’s just thinking how everyone's reacting to Jeff leaving. It could be a fracture in the group entirely and a whole thing can fall apart. And for the Dean it’s a very personal relationship that he has with Jeff, and an attachment. And the notion that he would put obstacles in front of this happening, it’s kind of where the notion of the “Hunger Dean” started to come around. You know, it’s funny because at some point after doing it, we're like, “We can stop calling this ‘Hunger Games,’ because it’s really not at all like the ‘Hunger Games’ in many ways.” But the notion that the Dean would latch onto that as a pop-culture reference in his world would explain why he wants everyone competing. And because that would allow him to put pageantry into it, it all made perfect sense as opposed to us wanting to poke fun at ‘The Hunger Games,’ which we really don’t at all in the episode. So it’s, that’s kind of the stew into which it kind of comes about, that it came about.
 
You’ve talked before about some of the anxiety of coming in, and the leader isn’t there anymore. Obviously, from the outside, there’s been a lot of skepticism.  I don’t know if you’re aware of the fake @GuarascioPort Twitter account. What do you think of that?
 
David Guarascio: Someone told us about it early on and I looked at that and was like, “More power to you; go at it,” and haven’t really thought much about it since. We made a conscious decision early on. Right when the news came out, we did not realize what it, in the universe — in the Communiverse —how big a deal it would be. I mean, we knew it was a big deal but in a digital world everything is a storm the moment it happens. And it was very quickly easy to decide, “You know what? I don't have to read comments about anything.” The other sort of eye-opener, and it seems sort of obvious in hindsight, is that Dan deserves the lion share of credit for what the show is. But the truth is he’s not the person who’s being filmed. There is a bunch of actors who give the dimensionality to these characters’ lives. And not to mention directors, set designers, and the writing staff that’s been with the show for three years, and the ones that came back that have helped make it. And then there’s a little bit of that realization of like right this isn’t just one person in their basement with their clay and their three-dimensional models sitting with the light on above them.  This is a hundred people making something together. And so it helped everybody, helped us relax. It was almost like you remind people of that. You actually helped create this character and you were the one who gave it life. You say to Gillian, “When people think of Britta they think of you; they don’t think of anybody else. They don’t think of a writer.” They don’t think about all the writers who contributed over the years, many of them came back this year, who know what the DNA of the show is and who helped inform what it is. There is this sort of Catch-22 of there was a leader who’s gone but there are many other people who are extremely talented who help make the show what it is.
 
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Alan Sepinwall has been reviewing television since the mid-'90s, first for Tony Soprano's hometown paper, The Star-Ledger, and now for HitFix. His new book, "The Revolution Was Televised," about the last 15 years of TV drama, is for sale at Amazon. He can be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com

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    Gail

    Really?? Multiple pages??

    February 6, 2013 at 11:00AM EST Reply to Comment
    • Midnight_run_mca255950_talkback_profile

      sepinwall It's a 7000-word transcript. We've run into big problems in the past with long articles like this or some of Drew's Film Nerd 2.0 pieces, and breaking them into multiple pages is the easiest way to get them to load properly for everyone, every time.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:03AM EST
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      Andrew Disagree. Use multiple pages if you want, but include a Single-page or a Print button. The lack of one is just criminal.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:07AM EST
    • Midnight_run_mca255950_talkback_profile

      sepinwall "Criminal," you say?

      This is maybe the third article in close to 3 years writing for the site where I've had to use this option. It's a rare thing.

      February 6, 2013 at 11:10AM EST
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      Paolo I think Andrew is overreacting a bit, but I do agree that having a Single-Page option would be nice. The New York Times has a lot of paginated articles but there's always an option for one page

      February 6, 2013 at 11:19AM EST
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      Andrew I'm exaggerating for humorous effect! But requiring six clicks without a single-page option does hit a sore spot for lots of people who read long things on the Internet. It makes us feel you just want us for our clicks... :(

      February 6, 2013 at 11:51AM EST
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      Guy Hitfix gets to show us 6 times as many advertisements this way. Duh.

      February 6, 2013 at 4:53PM EST
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      Sterling Mallory Archer Boo hoo. Stop being the opposite of Batman. Get a faster device or live with it. I wish all of Alan's pieces were long enough to have six pages.

      February 6, 2013 at 9:29PM EST
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      Ben Kabak Multiple pages is awful

      February 7, 2013 at 11:17AM EST
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    Razorback

    My fears increase every time these dudes speak. I don't think they get the show. I don't think they get the fans. They certainly don't get Dan. Oh well, not like I expected this season to not be fan-fiction anyway.

    February 6, 2013 at 11:02AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Mahmoud Fayed Agreed. Definitely raised an eyebrow at how Alan had to correct him on it being season 1 and not 2 where they ended up getting 24/25 they made.

      February 6, 2013 at 8:10PM EST
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      Wendy's When a show and all it's plots and character development and stories is brought together by the writers and is filtered through one persons brain then if that show is a work of art and is obviously a genius is at work then why change?

      The reason they got rid of Sorkin from West Wing is because he was always behind schedule and never on budget and he was not flexable but he was the guy responsable for 4 DRAMA EMMYS!!!!!! Matt Weiner is the same and was responable for 4 DRAMA EMMYS!!! Dan Harmon is the same and may not get the Emmy's but still he is awesome!

      How many times does a network have to do this? How many times does a studio have to do this?

      This is so disappointing, I now get why Dan Harmon did that presentation a little while back on why Money is evil, it is not the money but the people who have it and who wield their power to screw up art!

      Damn!

      February 6, 2013 at 8:25PM EST
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      Sterling Mallory Archer I have the exact same worries as you guys. But it is the same actors, so i want to try to have an open mind. I just hope the perspective of knowing Dan is gone doesn't cloud my judgement more than it should. But i would still rather have Communtiy-Light than none at all. And maybe we all get super surprised.

      February 6, 2013 at 9:31PM EST
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    Guy

    Finished the first page only but the transcription is making my brain hurt.

    February 6, 2013 at 11:23AM EST Reply to Comment
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      JM Yeah, there are so many grammatical errors in the transcription that my head hurts as well.

      February 6, 2013 at 1:54PM EST
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      Kiran Thirding this, I gave up reading it on page 2.

      February 6, 2013 at 8:32PM EST
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    Joyeful

    Really? Multiple pages is that big of a deal? Geez people, talk about first world problems...

    I read the whole interview, loved it. I'm a big Dan Harmon fan, but they're right in saying that Community was great because of a lot of people, not just Dan. They sound like they understood what they were undertaking, and they certainly sound like they did the best that they could. I'm looking forward to watching it - I'll reserve judgement until it airs.

    February 6, 2013 at 11:49AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Lex I took it as that too. And they're right, Community has grown a lot from season to season, changing with this or that. Nothing ever stays the same with this show and that's why I love it; it's realistic and unique in that regard.

      It sounds like they're focusing on the stories for the characters instead of obsessing over fan feedback or trying to keep just within the status quot, which is nice. There'll always be some that will complain, but people complained even when Dan was running the show. Complainers are expected 'cause you can't please everyone.

      I'm keeping my judgement clear until the premiere too.

      February 6, 2013 at 12:27PM EST
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      jenfullmoon Yeah, this still sounds as promising as it possibly can be under the circumstances, and I'll reserve judgement as well.

      February 6, 2013 at 1:49PM EST
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    dave

    Alan, on page 1 there is what I believe is a question/comment from you that isn't formatted as one. Starts with "Initially, the order was for 13 (episodes). But I have to assume when you took the job...."

    February 6, 2013 at 11:51AM EST Reply to Comment
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      sepinwall Thanks, Dave. Fixed.

      February 6, 2013 at 12:03PM EST
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    Lou

    Wow they really are reopening the Jeff/Britta thing. Completely unnecessary IMO. I wish they'd leave it as it is.

    February 6, 2013 at 11:58AM EST Reply to Comment
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      sepinwall I took it in a different way. Britta and Troy will be the romance, but Britta will be functioning as Jeff's therapist (as she did a couple of times last season), and that causes complications for Troy/Britta, just as Troy and Abed's friendship will.

      Their take on Jeff/Annie was the more surprising one, as I felt like the Dreamatorium episode really did put a bow on that idea.

      February 6, 2013 at 12:05PM EST
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      LOU I hope you're right because Jeff/Britta are finally in a place where I like them. Their romance has never been something I've enjoyed watching. But their platonic banter is fantastic and very funny. I thought the opposite about the Dreamatorium episode for Jeff/Annie. I thought it tried to put a bow on that idea but failed because everything I saw on screen contradicted Annie's insistence that there was no feelings there.

      I forgot to say thanks for the great interview. Great questions.

      February 6, 2013 at 12:12PM EST
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      John I took it the same way Alan did, which seems like good comic potential to me.

      As for Jeff/Annie and that "bow", well, they did just come from a writer's room that felt like putting Alex and Dave back together, so...

      February 6, 2013 at 12:46PM EST
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      Jon, The Earl of Hamm Sandwich I also didn't get the sense at all that the Dreamatorium episode was putting a nail in the Jeff/Britta relaysh. but any so excited for Thursday! thanks for the interview. on another note, once this leaves, the current state of the network TV sitcom will be somewhere between print newspapers and the original pets.com

      February 6, 2013 at 12:59PM EST
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      stephrenb I never believed the Dreamatorium episode was putting a "bow" on the Jeff/Annie relationship. I just saw it more as a case of unreliable narrator on Annie's part. Either that, or Annie recognizing that her feelings weren't love, but still feelings just the same.

      John, I don't see any similarities between Jeff/Annie and Alex/Dave. If anything, the reverse is true. The original pairing of Jeff/Britta didn't work so revisiting it would be like putting Alex and Dave back together. Unless I'm misunderstanding you.

      Jon, I assume you mean the Jeff/Annie relationship. I don't see the connection between Jeff/Britta and the Dreamatorium episode.

      February 6, 2013 at 2:38PM EST
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      Jon, The Earl of Hamm Sandwich yep, Jeff/Annie. guess I Britta'd that!

      February 6, 2013 at 3:20PM EST
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      Karen PREACH.

      February 6, 2013 at 3:29PM EST
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    Lex

    Great interview, thanks :)

    February 6, 2013 at 12:21PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Karen

    Good interview but I'm more scared than ever. I don't think they understand the show. I do not want a Jeff/Britta/Troy love triangle. No thanks. Can't we just have a romance on the show without the need for a third party? Sick of it. I was excited for Troy & Britta but now I might give this season a miss if all we've got to look forward to is Jeff and Britta getting together. Can't think of anything worse.

    February 6, 2013 at 12:50PM EST Reply to Comment
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      stephrenb Agreed. It's the fourth season and the time for jerking around with relationships is over. Draw some lines in the sand. It doesn't all have to be settled now, there can still be conflict, but let's be done with love triangles. There's plenty of story in a romantic pairing on its own.

      And ITA agree about Jeff and Britta getting together. I do not understand how anyone could think that "Jeff/Britta is one of the most remarkable things that Dan has done." Really? Out of everything that Dan has done on the show, Jeff/Britta is among the most remarkable? smh

      February 6, 2013 at 2:45PM EST
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      Karen Exactly. One of the best things Dan Harmon did was get rid of the Jeff/Britta romance pairing. It wasn't working. It wasn't remarkable. His concept episodes were the remarkable thing!! Picking a ship as the best thing the creator has done is scary to me and also makes me think they are saying it just to keep on his side. I don't see anything remarkable about Jeff/Britta at all. I think I'm done with Community. This is not what I signed up for.

      February 6, 2013 at 3:28PM EST
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      SashaV3 re: Jeff/Britta is one of the most remarkable things that Dan has done."
      I kinda agree in that it's refreshing when shows show that men and women (especially the lead characters) can be friends without falling in love with each other. Yes, there might have been feelings in the beginning but the Jeff/Britta relationship developed into an amazing friendship. They'll hookup with each other every now and then but sex doesn't mean true love, especially to thirty-something egomaniacs.

      February 6, 2013 at 4:02PM EST
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    Slam

    Chevy Chase was always the worst actor and least funny character on the show. Good riddance.

    February 6, 2013 at 12:52PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Jon, The Earl of Hamm Sandwich I always enjoyed Pierce. what's better than a punching bag that you don't have to feel sorry for? I hate this idea that every character has to be likable except for clear-cut villains. not that you said that, but I think that view drives a lot of what people have hated about Chevy and Chang

      February 6, 2013 at 1:01PM EST
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      Slam When Chase starred in "Fletch", I thought he was the next superstar comedian/actor; instead he disappeared then resurfaced all bloated and old and weird on Community.

      So maybe that's why I don't care for him.

      February 6, 2013 at 1:51PM EST
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      Jon, The Earl of Hamm Sandwich yeah I hear you there! the falloff after Fletch which I also loved was incredible. although it would have shamed him, he probably should have just gone back to SNL after that LOL

      February 6, 2013 at 3:19PM EST
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      Jonas.Left Years ago, Comedy Central did a roast of Chevy Chase, and the highlight was a blistering speech by Stephen Colbert that accrately and devastaingly explained why Chevy Chase is a mediocrity and a has-been. NBC did him the favor of making him relevant again and he spent three years punishing Dan Harmon and his co-stars for it.

      In the first season Chevy Chase was in the first classic scene of the series - the Spanish presentation. Chase did some decent work on the show, especially season two, where he got to do a lot of different things character-wise. He was just too much a hack to see how special the show he was on was.

      February 6, 2013 at 4:35PM EST
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      Slam Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but t seems Community needed a "name" actor to get the series green lit, so they hosed-off Chase ... and he was my least favorite character.

      But yes the Spanish presentation was HILARIOUS I gotta admit

      February 6, 2013 at 5:41PM EST
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      Haik Mendelovich According to Joel McHale, our friend Chevy used racist language, and tried to fight (!) McHale on the set:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSaZd-AUzRc

      February 6, 2013 at 6:00PM EST
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    Corbin

    The fourth question on the third page ("There’s been some debate..") isn't formatted as such.

    Also, are the the Guarascio and Port "category" page links supposed to be there on the top of the page? It seems a bit random

    February 6, 2013 at 1:37PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Rob

    On page six, there's a question without the formatting: 'Do you feel like for those people who are acutely aware of the behind-the-scenes stuff, maybe you’re going to be held to an unfair standard?'

    February 6, 2013 at 3:47PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Jonas.Left

    Am I the only one who liked season one Britta? I kind of had a crush on her. Sure, part of that is she looks like Gillian Jacobs, but i liked her earnest, if a little insufferable social coscience, too.

    February 6, 2013 at 4:13PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Victor I never had a problem with Season 1 Britta and I never understood why anyone would hate her.

      February 6, 2013 at 5:12PM EST
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      Craig I didn't love her or hate her. I think she was maybe just too much of a "straight man." Most comedy troupes need a "straight" figure to balance the dynamic, but COMMUNITY quickly established itself as a show that worked without one (or at least, without a full-time one - various characters can fill the role in different scenarios). So Britta had to either change, or become irrelevant.

      February 6, 2013 at 7:01PM EST
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    Oaktown Girl

    My biggest concern for where the show was going when we left off was that the Abed character was becoming *too* awesome. It seemed that no matter what, Abed was always the one in the end who was the smartest, the healthiest (mentally), had the best grasp of the big picture, etc. His "awesomeness" was becoming so predictable I felt I never had a reason to really invest in his character anymore because there was never any reason to be concerned for his outcome.

    February 6, 2013 at 5:24PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Craig Did you watch season 3? I certainly wouldn't categorize Abed as mentally healthy (he was ready to saw off Jeff's arm!!! And the season ends with him vanishing into his "Dreamatorium," which the show had set up all season as detrimental to his mental health). If anything, you might complain that Abed's character got too angsty and creepy in season 3.

      February 6, 2013 at 6:57PM EST
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      Oaktown Girl Well perhaps "mentally healthy" wasn't the best way to put it. What I meant is that he seems to be always so in control and dominant, even if what he is doing seems a little crazy. We'll see where it goes. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

      February 6, 2013 at 8:16PM EST
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      Mahmoud Fayed Yeah I'm with Craig, I was left scratching my head and wondering if she watched any of season 3 at all.

      February 6, 2013 at 8:22PM EST
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      Jonas.Left It still amazes me that they made the Evil Abed storyline work. As crazy as all the concept episodes are, the character arc of Abed being taken over by an imaginary evil twin from another dimension should have broken any semblance of reality, but they pulled it off. I can scarcely believe they had the nerve to try it. True genius.

      February 7, 2013 at 2:55AM EST
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    tossit

    Hmmm...I'm not sure how I feel about how they approached everything...hopefully I can remain objective as I'm watching. I wish I could watch it without knowing about the showrunner change.

    February 7, 2013 at 8:11PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Roy G. Biv

    If Dan Harmon isn't the showrunner, then it's not Community. PERIOD. And after watching tonight's episode, my opinion has only been further confirmed.

    February 8, 2013 at 10:15AM EST Reply to Comment

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