Kristen Bell and Rob Thomas launch 'Veronica Mars' movie Kickstarter campaign
Can fans raise enough money to fund film sequel to cult classic detective show?
Kristen Bell could be playing Veronica Mars again very soon.
A "Veronica Mars" movie has hovered somewhere between rumor and fantasy ever since the CW canceled the Kristen Bell teen detective drama back in 2007. The show's creator Rob Thomas has tried to get a film spin-off made on several occasions, and says that he and producer Joel Silver once came close before Warner Bros., which owns the rights to the show and its characters, decided it wasn't worth the money it would cost to make, market and release such a film.
But rather than let the dream die altogether, Thomas has come up with an outlandish idea that will either fail spectacularly or get the movie made — and if he succeeds, may change the future prospects for many beloved but low-rated projects.
Thomas is going to try to fund a "Veronica Mars" movie on Kickstarter.
As first reported by Entertainment Weekly, "Veronica Mars" fans will be able to contribute money directly to the project via the crowd-funding website — here's the "Veronica Mars" movie page — and starting today, everyone has 30 days to generate the $2 million minimum necessary to get the movie (which Thomas would write and direct) made, and to get production started in time that Bell could film it during her hiatus from Showtime's "House of Lies." If the project doesn't meet that goal within the time limit, no one pays anything and the movie idea goes away forever.
“I have never fallen so deeply in love with a character,” Bell told EW. “ We all became so close, and the cancellation of the show left a huge hole in my heart. I would have put on Veronica Mars: The Circus to bring it back.”
In addition to having a chance to see Veronica, Keith, Logan, and the rest of the gang again for the first time in years(*) — with a story likely tied to Veronica's 10-year high school reunion — fans who contribute money will get a variety of rewards depending on how much they contribute. (Based on what I know of Kickstarter rewards, the $35 price point — which includes a digital download of the movie the Monday after it's released — seems like it will be the most popular.) You can read the full list of rewards on the Kickstarter page, and there's also an NSFW video (which I've embedded below) — featuring Bell, Thomas and a few other familiar faces — that explains how this will work. The scope of the movie will depend on how much money is raised: on the Kickstarter page, Thomas explains the $2 million minimum "probably means cross words are exchanged at the class reunion. Three million? We can afford a full-on brawl. Ten million? Who knows... For some reason the Neptune High class reunion takes place on a nuclear submarine! A Hobbit shows up! There’s a Bollywood end-credit dance number! I’ve always wanted to direct Bill Murray. We’ll figure out something cool."
(*) Short version for those who didn't watch it back in the UPN or CW days: "Veronica Mars" was an unlikely, and often brilliant, blend of teen drama and film noir. Bell played Veronica, high school student in a California beach town where everyone was fabulously wealthy or poor (before there was Occupy Wall Street, there was Neptune), who picked up detective skills from her ex-sheriff father Keith (Enrico Colantoni) and helped classmates with small problems while also investigating major crimes like the murder of her best friend Lilly (Amanda Seyfried). The final season took Veronica and friends to college, and as a Hail Mary attempt to convince the CW to renew in spite of low ratings, Thomas pitched a major revamp that would leap forward several years and feature Veronica as a rookie FBI agent.
Towards the end of his essay on that Kickstarter page, Thomas notes, "So this is it. This is our shot. I believe it's the only one we've got. It's nerve-wracking. I suppose we could fail in spectacular fashion, but there's also the chance that we completely revolutionize how projects like ours can get made."
This could, indeed, be a huge moment for beloved cult series and movies. If it works, this could change the game for fans of canceled shows with a similar profile, where the overall audience wasn't big enough to keep it on the air, but passionate enough to fund some kind of follow-up project like this. (Before Dan Harmon was fired from "Community," he had several Twitter discussions about the idea of financing additional seasons — or, at least, a movie — in the event NBC didn't renew the show.) This has been tried on a smaller scale — Jane Espenson raised $60,000 to help fund the second season of her web comedy "Husbands" via Kickstarter — but if Thomas can get his $2 million (or, he hopes, much more than that) than it's easy to imagine others trying to follow his example.
What does everybody think? If you're a "Veronica Mars" fan who's wanted that movie — or even a fan of some other project you'd love to see get the Kickstarter treatment — are you going to put your money where your mouth is? Or do you feel like a show owned by a big company like Warner Bros. shouldn't have to rely on the customer to provide the budget for even a small project like this? And do you think this show is the ideal canary for this particular coal mine, or would some other cult hit be a better test of whether the Kickstarter model can work for TV?
UPDATE: At the time I'm writing this (1:14 p.m. Eastern, after the campaign launched around 10:37 a.m.), they've already raised $573,644, and I imagine that number to be significantly higher even by the time I finish the paragraph. That's more than a quarter of the way to the initial goal in less than 3 hours. The momentum will inevitably slow — possibly as late as tonight — but it's hard to imagine a circumstance where the movie doesn't get funded at this point. Now, the only question is how high the budget will get.
UPDATE #2: Well, the campaign cleared the $1 million barrier in under 5 hours, a new Kickstarter record, and is closing in on $1.5 million as I type this at 5:34 p.m. Eastern. They will likely clear the $2 million barrier within the next day (if not within the next few hours). All Thomas, Bell and company have to do now is sell their fans on the movie will be at that $2 million budget versus, say, $5 or even $10. But there will be a "Veronica Mars" movie of some kind being filmed this summer.
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Next 101 Commentscornholio1980
March 13, 2013 at 10:53AM EST Reply to CommentWould love to back it, but so far there's a "ships only within the US"-restriction. :-(
You can still get the $10 option (and pay what you want for it).
March 13, 2013 at 11:03AM ESTXantaKlaus The ships within US restriction is understandable because of the shipping costs (I'm from Germany, maybe I would pay extra for shipping if I am really interested in the T-Shirt or whatever). I'd be interested in the digital copy, but will that be available worldwide is the important question for me.
March 13, 2013 at 11:29AM ESTcornholio1980 @Paul O'regan: And what good would that do me? ;-). If I back this movie, I also want do get this movie.
March 13, 2013 at 11:42AM EST@Xantaklaus: That shouldn't really matter. Just ask your international backers to add a specific sum for shipping (usualla between $10 and $15). If "Hotel Noir" could do it, so should "Veronica Mars". And so far, the only thing that's available internationally is the script.
XantaKlaus As the comments on the kickstarter website show, we are not the only people with that concern. Mostly people from Canada and UK complaining. I'll wait if they react. At least I want to be able to see the movie if I help finance it. :D
March 13, 2013 at 11:56AM ESTrugman11 It might also have to do with distribution rights. Since it sounds like Warner Bros. has promised to try to distribute it somehow, they may have only agreed to allow the gifts to American donors so they could hang on to the international distribution rights.
March 13, 2013 at 12:57PM ESTI'm assuming it has something to do with that.
VisionOn You are missing the point of Kickstarter. You back the idea, not just go for the rewards. If something is worthy of succeeding donate money. Even at the lowest level with no rewards, because then you actually get to see the project succeed. I've donated more than a reward is offered at purely because the idea is good and the talent behind it deserves to see it realized.
March 13, 2013 at 5:12PM ESTXantaKlaus Well, don't worry, I will help, but seems I can only donate 10$ from outside the US and there are 30 days to go, so I'll wait if they change something and since the world does not consist of the US market alone, I'd like to know if I can see the final result and if so I prefer spending more money initially, so they have a bigger budget. And I am not alone in that.
March 13, 2013 at 5:31PM ESTVisionOn There should be no reason you can't donate as much as you like. The tier level is irrelevant. You just modify your existing dollar pledge to any amount and keep your $10 reward or even specify no reward at all.
March 13, 2013 at 5:43PM ESTNot to mention how much you donate is never taken unless the project funds completely. So why wait until the final result? How much is the chance of a movie worth to you? Why care how much the final total is? It shouldn't change your valuation of the idea right now.
cornholio1980 @Visionon: I'm sorry, but I don't agree. If Kickstarter would just be about the donations, there wouldn't be any rewards ;-). You would just donate whatever you'd like, without any pledge levels. Thats not how Kickstarter works. I'm more than willing to give them my money and spend more for the blu ray package (for example) than I would usually pay for a Blu ray. But I don't see why I shouldn't get the same reward as anyone in the U.S.
March 13, 2013 at 6:01PM EST@XantaKlaus: Rob Thomas tweeted this a short time ago: "International fans! We are working out thorny issues so we can include you. We're trying to make this happen!" So they're working on it. The only question is: Will they actually need to work something out? The movie is already 75% funded, and it's not even 24h yet. So I guess we'll have to wait and see. Anyway, there's no reason why you shouldn't pledge $5 right now. You can always "manage" (i.e. upgrade to a higher level) your pledge later, until the end of the kickstarter campaign.
Brendan Noel Rob Thomas tweeted that they're working on getting international shipping. Fund!
March 13, 2013 at 6:04PM ESTklg19
March 13, 2013 at 10:55AM EST Reply to CommentI am IN.
Robert
March 13, 2013 at 10:56AM EST Reply to CommentOne never knows how big a cult show's audience truly is, but I have a feeling that we are about to find out. I contributed, and here's hoping that if they get close, it will still happen.
sanford
March 13, 2013 at 10:58AM EST Reply to CommentI wonder if they would make the 2 million back. Why not try for netflix
Dezbot
March 13, 2013 at 11:04AM EST Reply to CommentIf I had the money, I'd do the pledge where I could be a speaking extra on the film. Alas, I'll probably be one of those many $35 people :)
zzk that one is now gone
March 13, 2013 at 11:42AM ESTnilbog44
March 13, 2013 at 11:14AM EST Reply to CommentThis would basically be a dream come true for me. I'm gonna pitch in what little I can afford. It would also be great if they did this with another great Rob Thomas show "Party Down." Something that annoys me is how everyone screamed about how "Arrested Development" got a raw deal and they got to bring it back. Actually I thought that show had run it's course and the 3rd season was kinda lousy. There are so many other shows that deserve a rebirth more than it imo
zzk but Party Down was on Stars... I didn't even know about it until a couple years after the show had ended.
March 13, 2013 at 11:43AM ESTNLS The biggest reason Party Down ended is because Adam Scott was going to leave for Parks and Rec.
March 13, 2013 at 12:29PM ESTRae Arrested Development wasnt as good in its third season cuz it had to condense its story which they had planned out to the tee in previous seasons. If they were given a proper season or had known when exactly they were getting cancelled they would have been able to do better. pay attention to all the seasons and its complex storytelling the next time you watch it
March 13, 2013 at 1:27PM ESTArran @NLS - Really, the reason Party Down ended is that NO ONE watched it. The finale had an audience size of about 85,000. They did have a contingency plan to continue without Scott had it been given another season.
March 13, 2013 at 1:42PM ESTBix Wasn't it fairly popular on Netflix, with a lot of people thinking it was some kind of Netflix exclusive original series?
March 13, 2013 at 2:39PM ESTPost a comment...
March 13, 2013 at 5:04PM ESTJohnny
March 13, 2013 at 11:17AM EST Reply to Commenteveryone please please donate!
Slam
March 13, 2013 at 11:22AM EST Reply to CommentBy the time a movie gets made, it will be about Veronica investigating crimes while dealing with menopause
zzk Would still watch this
March 13, 2013 at 11:44AM ESTKlarkKent Ms. Mars-ple.
March 13, 2013 at 12:26PM ESTChris
March 13, 2013 at 11:23AM EST Reply to CommentI've never seen Veronica Mars, but it's always been on my "I need to catch up with this" list. But the Kickstarter idea intrigues me, because I wonder if crowdsourcing options could change the film industry (and possibly television, although the time commitment for a series might pose issues with projects that are often in limbo like this).
I wonder if this would be an avenue to team up with distributors like Netflix, who could take on some of these Kickstarter-backed projects, pick them up and showcase them. Not sure how that all works, but I wonder if that's where we'll start to see this go.
mmcb105
March 13, 2013 at 11:27AM EST Reply to CommentI'd say Arrested Development, but Netflix already Kickstarted that for us.
Amy
March 13, 2013 at 11:43AM EST Reply to CommentCan't help but wonder where everyone's salaries will be coming from...
amyree
March 13, 2013 at 11:45AM EST Reply to CommentI can't help but wonder where everyone's salaries will be coming from...
Bix Working for SAG union scale (like Ben Affleck in Kevin Smith movies), presumably.
March 13, 2013 at 11:59AM ESTCol Bat Guano
March 13, 2013 at 11:46AM EST Reply to CommentI only watched the first season and a bit of the second so I'm not really invested in the movie idea, but that video is pretty funny.
Nathan B
March 13, 2013 at 12:07PM EST Reply to CommentVeronica Mars is my favorite show of all time. I'm in to the extent I can be.
KlarkKent
March 13, 2013 at 12:25PM EST Reply to CommentPledged. I love this idea. I am surprised about there not being some way to get things shipped outside the US though. There are a LOT of comments already from international fans saying they would donate if there were.
M
March 13, 2013 at 12:38PM EST Reply to CommentWhy only 30 days? That seems like an awfully short time period. Shouldn't they have done this months ago? Or done it now for a few months with the aim of filming next summer instead?
jenfullmoon Well, according to Entertainment Weekly, they filmed this quite awhile ago, before KB got pregnant. I guess it took awhile to get everything set up? Plus what he said about trying to get as many people's schedules together in order to do it.
March 13, 2013 at 1:10PM ESTBut 30 days will answer the question one way or another as to whether or not a movie will get made, ever. Beats dragging it out. And hey, if Amanda Palmer became a Kickstarter millionaire....
Alan from what the project says, it was a condition the WB put in their agreement (sort of a test). Well, they can take it back because it's not even twelve hours and they've (we've) reached over half a million dollars already. And I'm pretty sure as soon as they open the international distribution of the film it's gonna go way higher.
March 13, 2013 at 1:22PM ESTPeter D Wilson 30 days is fine. There have been projects in the past that have set the date too long and people just didn't pledge, assuming it would make it without their money. This just puts the urgency in the fans to donate and donate now.
March 13, 2013 at 1:30PM ESTRev. Slappy
March 13, 2013 at 12:55PM EST Reply to CommentDidn't the show end under the assumption that Keith might be going to jail for tampering with evidence? I'd love to see how all that turned out. Since Joss Whedon was a big fan of the show, why doesn't he kick in from Avengers windfall and fund this? Or at least let them shoot the whole thing at his house?
Robert
March 13, 2013 at 12:57PM EST Reply to CommentAm I the only person that's a little bit insulted that a millionaire actress is asking people to donate money so that she can star in a movie?
jenfullmoon I dunno if Kristen Bell is star enough to be a millionaire, honestly. I don't think any of the VM folks are that loaded.
March 13, 2013 at 1:09PM ESTrugman11 Yes. Yes, you are.
March 13, 2013 at 1:09PM ESTGeorge Jenfullmoon: She is definitely worth more than a few million. She will have gotten pretty big checks for the countless mediocre films she's made since then.
March 13, 2013 at 1:21PM ESTGreg I think your over-rating how much money she has/makes. I don't think she ever made a ton in VM, and I can't imagine CW was emptying the trucks for her voiceover work in GG. She probably has money, but nowhere near the ton you think.
March 13, 2013 at 1:28PM ESTKlarkKent Somehow, I don't think Bell is in the upper echelons of cash-heavy actresses. Now if you want to make the argument for Joel Silver, go ahead.
March 13, 2013 at 1:55PM ESTRegardless, I view Kickstarters as pre-orders for things that I want. Nothing more, nothing less.
Tarasa I think you may be making assumptions as to what she may or may not have contributed to even get it this far. Also, we have no idea of what "salary" she will get for this. And lastly, I think even "rich" (which is subjective) people deserve to get paid for what they do.
March 13, 2013 at 1:59PM ESTMax I'm a little insulted by your ignorance. Is that close?
March 13, 2013 at 2:32PM ESTLT I actually thought the same thing initially and as much as I love KBell and the video, I was turned off by the idea. I am surprised there hasn't been more about these wealthy actors/producers asking for money. I came around when I saw what types of things they are giving you for donating. It bothers me less knowing that when you donate you will be getting something concrete in return so it isn't like charity for the wealthy.
March 13, 2013 at 5:13PM ESTdizzylucy A while back another actor did a small amount kickstarter for a documentary, and I kind of had the same reaction, but the more I thought about it, why not try crowd sourcing as an option? They get to make the project they want with no money guys interfering, without risking a huge amount of their own cash, and the people who want to support it can and those who don't can ignore it.
March 13, 2013 at 6:33PM ESTIf it were to give a well off actor a million dollar payday, then I'd be insulted, but clearly this is a labor of love for the fans and the show itself, and everyone will be working as cheaply as allowed.
KlarkKent It's not like you're giving Rob, Kristen, etc. something for free (unless you want to.) There are definite things that you will receive for your money. It's not like you go to the store and balk at having to pay money for food. (Unless you're an idiot.) I put in a $100 pledge and for that, I'm getting the digital stuff, plus the blu ray, a poster (hopefully the theatrical quality double-sided one) and a t-shirt. That's a little more than I would usually pay, but it's not a bad deal for a bundle like that, especially since I most likely would have bought the blu ray anyway. Just think of this as a retail preorder and maybe you'll feel better about it.
March 13, 2013 at 6:47PM ESTMaryMc Well, so far 27,000 people haven't had a problem with it. And no one is in any way forcing you to donated so I can't understand why you would feel "insulted"
March 13, 2013 at 7:43PM ESTEric 1) The number of mildly- to moderately-famous actors who have a FEW MILLION in liquid assets, readily available to make one movie, is way smaller than you think. Like a lot of lower-paid pro athletes, much of their money is tied up in houses and other investments, and the amount of cash they have at hand is far smaller than you'd think.
March 13, 2013 at 9:21PM EST2) I may have gone overboard using the word "think."
Duncan
March 13, 2013 at 1:15PM EST Reply to CommentWow. They are already more than a 1/4 there with 30 days to go. The only thing wrong with this is no Wallace in the promo video. Maybe if he's not in the movie they can have Mac yell" WHERE'S WALLACE, VERONICA?!!?" "WHERE'S WALLACE?!?!"
Pierce Dunne
March 13, 2013 at 1:18PM EST Reply to CommentI'm from Ireland and tbh I'm flat broke but ill definitely throw in da 35 if I'm able too. Still da best show I've ever seen and ive never seen a show too create so many brilliant characters, Veronica, Keith,Wallace ,weevil and da star of the show Logan Echolls!. Surely whatever this campaign makes the actors could cover the rest to bring it up to 2 mill. Come on people let's make this happen,,
TGCVersion3Point0
March 13, 2013 at 1:21PM EST Reply to CommentI donated what I could afford now. I suspect it will make it. In the two hours since I learned about it is has jumped almost $300,000. My best guess is if this works, and it will, Firefly fans will go nuts begging for something similar next. The idea would be a movie again I am sure, while I would much prefer a we series continuation myself.
jenfullmoon I wonder if Firefly's owner (I forget which studio) would go for it, though. Also, what with the special effects, they'd need a lot more than 2 million.
March 13, 2013 at 2:42PM ESTJared K
March 13, 2013 at 1:21PM EST Reply to CommentExciting development. If this crazy scheme actually works, someone with connections needs to use this model to get the ball rolling on a Terriers follow-up (which I'd gladly pitch in a decent sum to see). If his Twitter account is anything to go by, the thought has already crossed Shawn Ryan's mind.
Jan "Terriers" was the first thing I thought of, too. Wish they would do it. I'd contribute.
March 13, 2013 at 7:59PM ESTPeter D Wilson
March 13, 2013 at 1:26PM EST Reply to CommentStill waiting on Milch to do one of these for the Deadwood movie. Oh well, I'll wait till they remove the "only in US" restriction before I pledge for this.
jenfullmoon Hah, yeah, or (of course, gotta say it) Firefly. I expect those two properties would cost a lot more money to do though.
March 13, 2013 at 2:42PM ESTBut if this actually works....
Siythe
March 13, 2013 at 1:29PM EST Reply to CommentIt's new for a TV show but video games have already charted the course for this sort of crowdfunding and with much hire budgets. Surprised it's taken this long for TV shows to catch on.
While I wish the fans all the luck in the world it remains a shame that the most successful Kickstarters are almost always the ones cashing in on nostalgia. It would be such a great medium for new ideas but instead mostly serves to feed into the same culture of remakes, reboots & adaptations that's dominating the rest of the entertainment industry.
Ronnie
March 13, 2013 at 1:30PM EST Reply to CommentIs $2 million even enough to make a movie these days?
alynch Easily.
March 13, 2013 at 1:37PM ESTrugman11 At least when it's a passion project and everybody's willing to work for the industry minimum.
March 13, 2013 at 1:51PM ESTmccommas This was my thought as well. Aren't hour long TV dramas running in the $2M-$3M range per week these days and they are shot in 6-7 days? I remember all the talk when "Chuck's" production costs were drastically cut in season 3 and that was still in the $1.5M-$2M range.
March 13, 2013 at 2:00PM ESTbirkoff1 Most importantly, they don't have to make it for $2M. They have to make it for $2M PLUS whatever the net profits on box office and dvd sales are expected to be, or whatever they can get a studio to give them.
March 13, 2013 at 5:07PM ESTjan They're asking for $2M as a bare minimum. Anything over will make a bigger, more complex movie. I hope they get a lot more than $2M.
March 13, 2013 at 8:01PM ESTGreg Here are the budgets for some famous movies:
March 13, 2013 at 8:50PM ESTWinter's Bone: 2 million.
Beasts of the Southern Wild: 1.8 million.
The Sessions: 1 million.
Transamerica: 1 million.
The Kids Are Allright: 4 million.
So yeah, it's very possible.
BigTed
March 13, 2013 at 1:34PM EST Reply to CommentA lot of what made "Veronica Mars" great might be difficult to replicate in the movie:
-- The mix of violent themes and a dark, noir-ish atmosphere with lightness and humor
-- Great characterizations, starting with Veronica and her father, that became more interesting as they played out over the course of many hours of TV
-- The best cast of supporting characters, played by then-unknowns, since "Freaks & Geeks"
Could all this be repeated in a two-hour movie? If so, great; but the risk of a disappointing final product must be pretty high.
Greg
March 13, 2013 at 1:56PM EST Reply to CommentFantastic idea. I have to say that I found the third season of Veronica Mars to be kinda bad (with Logan and Veronica's relationship drama and the lack of an interesting continuous arc), but I would be thrilled to see Veronica and the gang back. Already pledged, so here's hoping.
Girl Detective
March 13, 2013 at 3:29PM EST Reply to CommentWhat is Ryan's line to her in the video, something like "not all of us can get The [something] eff-off money?
fia413 "The 'When in Rome' (expletive deleted) money," I do believe.
March 13, 2013 at 3:35PM ESTNate
March 13, 2013 at 3:57PM EST Reply to CommentDammit, I thought this was for a film version of Veronica's Closet! Can I get my money back?
Ricardo
March 13, 2013 at 4:25PM EST Reply to CommentI have a question.
As of this minute, we're at $1,247,490. So... the movie will probably get made.
Now, the fans pay for the movie. I guess, since this is a passion project, the actors will work at SAG minimum. Now, if the movie makes a profit, where will the money go? They're obviously not going to pay the fans back. Will it go to the people who made it? The thing is: if the money goes to Warner Bros. I don't think I'm okay with it.
BTW, the international rules are just dumb. They could get much more with international shipping.
Bill It goes to Warner Brothers. The kickstarter itself is just funding an account at WB. (Per the FAQ.)
March 13, 2013 at 5:00PM ESTIn fact, the description says that "Their reaction was, if you can show there’s enough fan interest to warrant a movie, we’re on board. So this is it." (and that WB would do marketing, at least.) The implication is that there was some negotiation between Rob Thomas and WB as to the magic number that would then trigger WB covering marketing (and presumably any overages in the budget).
It's an interesting model, and I'm curious whether WB was really wedded to the number, per se, or to the demonstration of interest that it implied. After all, $2m is likely chump change to them. Would this agreement had happened if Rob Thomas had scared up a $2m personal loan? I don't know.
Ricardo I don't know if it's that simple. This kind of thing only shows that there are many people who LOVE it. This amount of fans in a theater wouldn't account for much. I know there would be a lot more, but... how many? Enough?
March 13, 2013 at 5:28PM ESTIf they get the money it's ridiculous. They are in charge of marketing and distribution, so they should get some. But all of it? That's just wrong.
Bill It's definitely a little skeevy. But that's how it works in general - the ticket sales from movie X funds movie Y without any profit-sharing. (See Willa Paskin's Slate article on it.)
March 13, 2013 at 5:34PM ESTFrom a practical level, I'm trying to imagine how writing a coherent profit-sharing agreement with 10000 funders via kickstarter would even work without immediately ending up in class-action lawsuits somewhere.
Ricardo I'm not exactly saying "Give the money to the fans"! They could pay the actors, the producers, et all. I'm saying they should give something to the fans because without them none of this would be happening. It could be Veronica Mars voodoo dolls for all I care. They should get *something*. And, who knows, how about a sequel?
March 13, 2013 at 6:04PM ESTovnio Ricardo - But you're already getting what you paid for. You're not "investing" in the movie, you're basically paying for your reward. I'd happily pay $100 at Best Buy for a BluRay/DVD combo of the movie plus a digital download, plus a poster, plus whatever other goodies that includes. That's the deal. You're not a producer in the movie, you're just pre-ordering the rewards.
March 13, 2013 at 6:41PM ESTBasically, they don't owe you anything, whether the movie is a box office success or not. And I'm fine with that. Anybody who isn't should probably walk away now rather than throw a tantrum later like some people did with the Amanda Palmer campaign.
dizzylucy Well, technically if you choose to donate you are getting something, the various rewards for the different tiers (at least in the US until they get the int'l stuff worked out).
March 13, 2013 at 6:43PM ESTWith kickstarter stuff like this, I don't think you can look at it like an investment you'd get a return on, it's more like a donation to support something you believe in.
Ricardo @ovnio "That's the deal. You're not a producer in the movie, you're just pre-ordering the rewards."
March 13, 2013 at 6:55PM ESTExcept you're not. You are not a producer, but you *are* funding the movie. Whether you think of it that way or not, the truth is that the fans are paying for the movie.
I'd never pay $100 for that. I'd wait for it to get cheaper. On the other hand, if my money is helping the movie get made, I'll probably think on it differently.
@dizzylucy You are getting something and that's cool. I'm not saying it's an investment. But I'm just not very happy with the fact that WB is getting the profits.
ovnio Ricardo - Your money goes to WB whether you donate $20 to the Kickstarter campaign or buy a $20 dvd when it comes out. $20 or however much you want to spend. You are risking nothing whether you pledge $100 or $20 because your pledge only goes through if they meet their goal. And you'll get exactly what you paid for. So, on your end, you're just deciding how much you'd like to spend on whatever movie merchandise and giving it to them ahead of time. Much like you do when you pre-order stuff on Amazon, BN, etc.
March 13, 2013 at 7:27PM ESTIf what you want is a cut of the profits, Kickstarter is not where you want to focus. That's what boggles my mind. There is already a process in place for people that want to put up money in movies and get a share of the profits. It's also a hell of a lot riskier than supporting a Kickstarter campaign, but that's why not everybody does it. It's called actual film/TV producing.
When people complain about successful Kickstarter campaigns not sharing their profits with their backers, they seem to be missing the point that that is not part of the original agreement or model. It's like someone getting mad because Mark Zuckerberg became a gazillionaire thanks to Facebook and "we all contributed to that".
Btw, this isn't meant to sound as aggressive as it may be coming across :) I'm just baffled by that general argument (which is not exclusive to you) and the wrong sense of entitlement that usually accompanies it (which you may not share).
Ricardo Except that's not the argument I'm making.
March 15, 2013 at 7:56AM ESTAs I said before, I don't want a cut of the profits. I just don't think it's fair WB gets to profit from something the fans paid for.
And yeah, argumentative people like us can come of as assholes in the internet. So it goes... ;)
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