Recap: 'Survivor: Philippines' Finale - The Winner Is...

Skupin, Denise, Malcolm and Lisa battled for the million dollars

<p>The &quot;Survivor: Philippines&quot; Final 4</p>

The "Survivor: Philippines" Final 4

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A bientot, Abi. No pre-credit sequence for finale week. Too much "Previously on..." recapping to do. It's Night 36 and it's a silent night, indeed. "That's like having a tumor removed," Skupin quips, calling the ousting of Abi "the best feeling" since he's been out there. "She was just full of fire," Denise says, euphemistically. "The bad news is that she went out with a bang," Malcolm laments, concerned that people keep blowing up at Tribal Council and praising him. Skupin reaffirms to Malcolm that they're still aligned, but Skupin calls this 'a 'Survivor' alliance." Skupin, however, isn't sure that Malcolm's such a slam-dunk and he suggests he has a better story than the presumptive winner. The next morning, Tree-Mail promises something about a dragon, but doesn't say whether it's Immunity or Reward. Denise fears she may be the next target, so she's ready for whatever comes next.
 
Chasing the Dragon. What comes next appears to be Reward, based on the CBS preferred hashtag. The challenge finds them racing through an assortment of obstacles and collecting three bags, then making a dragon puzzle. What to know what they're playing for? They're playing for an advantage in the final Immunity Challenge. "Big stakes," Jeff Probst observes, but I wonder if any of them would rather be playing for "big steaks." Denise has a lead to the first bag of puzzle pieces, while Skupin takes over by the second bag and holds onto the lead through the third bag. Lisa is lagging. But who will make the puzzle first? Skupin falls apart on the puzzle. Malcolm pushes into the lead and, for the second straight puzzle challenge, Malcolm comes from behind to win. Probst hands him a scroll. 
 
Waffle House. Everybody is tired out after Reward. "He was already a huge threat to win just on his own," Blair Warner says of Malcolm's lily-gilding win. "At this point, I'll take any advantage I can get," Malcolm says, noting he still has a Final 3 deal with Blair Warner and Skupin, feeling bad for Denise, but still planning to let her go. Denise takes Malcolm aside and attempts to make her case for Final Three, or at least to let her make fire against Blair Warner. Malcolm won't commit to Denise and she decides this is a sign that Malcolm has let her slide. This just isn't a good season for people to be indecisive at the wrong moments. "I'm getting flashbacks to Penner," Denise tells Blair Warner, as she approaches her about a new alliance. "Today's been a good day!" Blair Warner laughs, after agreeing with Denise that they'd happily vote Malcolm out next. "I hugged her. Big hug. Didn't shake her hand," Blair Warner says of the new pairing. Denise goes and tells Skupin that she's voting against Malcolm, though he doesn't commit either. Skupin's got some confidence that he can beat Malcolm in physical challenges and he remains sure that his story is good enough to beat Malcolm. "That's the million dollar question right there," Skupin says of the Final 3 choice he's assuming he's going to get to make.
 
When you say "Abi was right," you've already lost. Skupin predicts Day 38 is going to be crazy. Blair Warner and Skupin are disagreeing over who they need to keep from winning. Blair Warner isn't impressed with Skupin's strategizing, saying that he's not level-headed enough. Blair Warner's actually finding herself agreeing with Abi about Skupin. "Lisa and I are not on the same page," Skupin admits, knowing that he has to have Immunity in order to create the Final Three. 
 
Mostly, I miss Angie. Time for the "Survivor" Necrology Walk/Rites of Passage. Farewell, Zane. You were wacky. Farewell, Roxy. You really disliked Angie. Farewell, Angie. You were smoking hot. "Poor girl. All she wanted was some cookies," Malcolm says. ["I'm kinda well-rounded," Angie says, before the editors cut to her cleavage.] Farewell, Russell. You were a great exit interview. Farewell, Dana. You were like Carter, only more interesting. Farewell, Dawson. You loved Jeff Probst a wee bit too much. Farewell, Katie. I don't really remember you. Farewell, RC. You've said some unfortunate things in exit interviews. [Nobody called her "well-rounded," but the editors used their "well-rounded" clips anyway.] Farewell, Jeff Kent. Someday, you'll make the Hall of Fame, but not for "Survivor." Farewell, Artis. You were surely, for good reason. Farewell, Pete. You overplayed the game for no good reason. Farewell, Penner. You're welcome back on "Survivor" any time. Farewell, Carter. Whoever you were. Farewell, Abi. I think she'd play differently if she had another chance.
 
Balls drop. This is it. Final Immunity Challenge. Immunity is back up for grabs. The have to balance a ball on the centerpiece of an increasingly long series of wood cylinders. What a horrible final Immunity Challenge. Blech. Malcolm's prize is that he gets a second chance at the challenge. If he drops his ball, he can replace it once. That's a good advantage for an awful Immunity Challenge. Oh. There's a groove in the wood bar. That makes this easier, but no less dumb. Malcolm goes out first, but he's got a second shot. This isn't a good task for Malcolm, who returns jittery and unsteady. You can almost see the look in his eyes. He knows he can't do this. Out he goes for a second times and, I fear, he's doomed. He knows it, too. Down goes Denise and now it's down to Skupin and Blair Warner. After Denise goes out, this becomes really dull, but it keeps going and going and going and going. Blair Warner goes out. Skupin wins Final Immunity. He's relieved and giddy. Everybody else? Not-so-much.
 
Warrior Code. MONKEY! It's back to DangRayne. Everybody's congratulating Skupin. MONKEY! "The advantage would have had to have been 'Malcolm, you automatically win,'" says Malcolm, who says he's prone to shaking whenever he gets nervous, even with girls. "I can't believe I did it," Skupin says. "It turns out it was not even close," says the cocky Skupin. Malcolm seeks reassurance from Blair Warner and Skupin. Their reassurances are tepid. Denise also seeks reassurances from Blair Warner and Skupin. "I am so mad," Denise says of not staying tight with Malcolm and of being stuck depending on Skupin. "There's a weird, instinctive, primitive side of me that says 'Go against the best,'" Skupin admits to Denise, saying that he wonders if there's more honor in beating Malcolm. "Would there be honor in beating him? Yeah. But my fear is that none of us will," Denise tells Skupin, who tells us some nonsense about a warrior's code and the value of going against Malcolm to the end. When Skupin votes Malcolm out, I look forward to mocking him in his exit interview when he wins or mocking him even more if Denise wins. Apparently Skupin's wife told him to make the family proud and he thinks keeping Malcolm would be honorable. "Right now, I think it's Malcolm in the Finals," Skupin tells Blair Warner, who calls her ally "a wild card." Blair Warner says it would be "stupid" to keep Malcolm in the Final 3 and she vows to do anything to keep that from happening.
 
The Jury. Abi looks angry and gives everybody the stink-eye. For a while, nobody says anything interesting. Stuff about "strategy" and "loyalty." Malcolm admits that the storylines have become "intertwined." He says something about how he's having to think of voting Denise out, which causes some twinges. Denise says that she and Malcolm are "separated at birth." Blair Warner refers to her alliance with Skupin as "an open relationship." "I can't figure out what goes on with those two," Malcolm says. This really isn't interesting, this Tribal Council. Will "favors" play a role in the vote? "That would have to be a million dollar favor," Blair Warner says. Malcolm tries making the argument that his hands are dirtier than Denise's and that as the only Kalabaw, Denise is a bigger threat than he is. It's a good plea. Probst asks Blair Warner if there's a reason to take Malcolm to the end. "There's not a reason for me to take him to the end," she says, conveniently ignoring that she made a Final 3 alliance with him. "Keeping your word" seems like a fine reason.
 
The Vote, I. Denise writes Malcolm's name, calling him "Sunshine." Malcolm lets out a deep sigh and writes Denise's name. Probst tallies: Malcolm. Denise. Malcolm. MALCOLM. That was inevitable. Poor Malcolm. "Congratulations, Denise," Malcolm says. "Maybe I pushed too hard. I leveraged too much," Malcolm says, calling it "painful for a life-long fan." Poor Malcolm. But so it goes...

Three to get ready. "He was mad," Denise says, but she explains that she merely Outwitted him. Skupin remembers Malcolm's parting "congratulations" to Denise and says it will come down to whoever can plead their case the best. Well, DUH. The next morning, the sun rises gloriously. Blair Warner is proud of the changes she's made. Denise is proud of her strategy. And... Champagne Breakfast. "This isn't Tree-Mail. This is Tree-Meal," Blair Warner says. Skupin says he always wondered if he could play this game strategically enough to make the end. "Every time I got around a campfire, I thought 'Don't fall in this sucker,'" Skupin jokes. They all enjoy breakfast and agree that the vote could go any direction. Blair Warner notes that "heart and spirit and body" are heavily involved in making it to the end. They burn their shelter to the ground. I do agree with the sentiment that there's no clear-cut winner. One thing I think: All three finalists will get votes. I don't expect this to be the usual two-person race.
 
Final Tribal Council - Opening Statements. The Jury enters. Tonight, the power in this game shifts to them, in case you didn't know. Denise is up first. She vows not to apologize for being in the Final 3. She's been able to adapt and assimilate in three tribes, which let her build many alliances and many chances to prove her value. Denise offers the reminder that she's survived every Tribal Council. It's a solidly crafted intro. Blair Warner says that her strategy wasn't pretty. "It was basically run wide-open and just fall down," she says, admitting that she made a mistake early on by not following her heart and not trusting her gut. "I needed to play this game worthy of the game," Blair Warner says. "By the end, I finally got it. I learned. I grew," she says, taking credit for knocking Malcolm out. That was also a good intro. Skupin begins by noting being a returning player was a problem for him, or could have been. "I think I played my guts out," Skupin says. "I can't play this game any other way. I love this game too much and I know you guys do too," Skupin closes. Also fine. Nobody knocked themselves out there. I don't remember the last time a finale was this wide open. But let's see if bitter Jurors will change things...
 
Final Tribal Council - Jury Questions. Artis is up first. He tells them that he can't congratulate them, specifically criticizing them for starting by talking about loyalty and then abandoning it. Artis is proud he held true to his alliances. "Karma is a bitch," he tells them. No question from Artis. "Sup guys," Carter says. He praises both Skupin and Blair Warner for surviving with targets on them. Carter asks Skupin what he thought about voting him out. "Friendship and the game at some point have to be separated," Skupin says, with a good answer that probably secured Carter's vote. Pete calls Blair Warner a Judas, saying she didn't vote for several of them, but she knew. Blair Warner insists she knew nothing. Pete asks why Denise's game was better. Denise talks about the difficulties of going from tribe to tribe, reminding them that she worked the fractures after the Merge. RC tells Blair Warner that she wanted her out from Day One because she knew she was a threat, before asking Skupin if he knew she was going home. Skupin says he didn't know. If you ask *me* the fact that Blair Warner and Mike Skupin knew nothing about the biggest votes in the game means something. Malcolm compliments Blair Warner. And then he takes Denise down, telling her not to nod, not to appease. Denise agrees that appeasing was an important part of her strategy. "It may seem appeasing, but I was playing the game every step of the way," Denise says, but then she gets fancy and tells Malcolm that her strategy is why she's sitting there and he's on the Jury. He's displeased. Jeff Kent promises to handle his bitterness. Jeff Kent gives Skupin the chance to talk about what he did in the game. Blair Warner swears to Jeff Kent that she didn't float in the middle and she celebrates the big move against Malcolm that didn't work. It's notable that Blair Warner's biggest move in the game was one that failed. She reminds Jeff Kent of "Plan B," which is true. Abi reminds them how unlikeable they thought she was. She says her heart is broken and asks why they deserve the money. Blair Warner says she was true to her alliance until that alliance disintegrated, which is a weird argument. Skupin says he deserves her vote because of that whole "outwit, outplay, outlast" thing. Abi says that "out-disrespect" isn't a key value. Denise tells Abi that she stands by some of what she said to her, but only some of it. "Our philosophies and our strategies just didn't mesh," Denise tells her. Penner is last, admitting that he has some "fury." He congratulates the three of them. Penner tells Denise that she's shown the world her "bitch" side. ZING. Penner pokes a hole in Skupin's "My name was tossed around each time" claims, even though his name was never written down. "You may find you have a perfect record, even after tonight," Penner says. ZING. Penner asks Blair Warner if she wants to share... "Lisa was a television star," Penner tells the Jury. "You guys deserve to know that," Penner tells them. "Did you reveal to any of us what you did as a teenager?" Blair Warner shoots back. "There's a lot of things that I didn't talk about either," Penner responds. Penner makes some really, really weird analogy about chariots and oxen. Jonathan Penner should be invited to make closing statements at all future "Survivor" Juries. He was certainly kindest to Lisa, as he didn't criticize aspects of her game or personality, just the secret she kept. It's still funny how bitter than Jury was. I wouldn't have thought the gameplay this season required those emotions. But I wasn't there, now was I?
 
The Vote. RC writes Blair Warner's name down, because her presence validated RC's initial hunch. "You played a pretty flawless game," Penner says, writing Denise's name. Interesting. Carter votes for "Skoopin." And, content in the knowledge that all three players will get votes... It's off to the Reunion Show.
 
The Live Tally: Before reading the votes, Jeff Probst has a moment of silence for victims of the tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut. Good move, "Survivor." The tally: Lisa. Denise. Skupin. Denise. Denise. DENISE. And DENISE STAPLEY is the winner of "Survivor: Philippines." She runs down and gives her husband and daughter a big hug. 
 
Bottom Line. Sorry, but I just want to laugh at Mike Skupin for a while. The realistic truth is that it didn't matter who Skupin had taken to the Finals from Denise or Malcolm. They were guaranteed to beat him. I think Malcolm would have won with as much ease as Denise did. [On the Live Show, the Jury suggested that I'm wrong and that they still would have voted for Denise, if Denise and Malcolm had been in the Final Three together.] But Skupin babbled all of that nonsense about his honor and his code and he still took the person he thought he could beat to the Final 3. And he lost. The Tandang people on the Jury were BITTER and they hated Skupin from the beginning. I think there was a lot of Skupin's personality we never got to see because "Survivor" was so invested in protecting Skupin's heroic image. So he was screwed. I think Blair Warner could have won, but much of her argument to the jury accentuated "growth" and it turns out nobody wants to give a million dollars for "growth." If she had won, I wouldn't have been bitter about that. Blair Warner's journey this season was, indeed, a very interesting journey. But that's not the same as being the most deserving winner. To me, Denise's argument was persuasive. She had a harder path than anybody else did. She was on one weak and losing tribe after another and she survived. She should have gone home after she came to Kalabaw. She should have been sent home after the Merge. She made the right alliances and was just tough enough in challenges to be respectable. I can't really quibble with most of the plays tonight, nor with the final Jury verdict. Denise wasn't the dominant player this season, but she did outwit, outplay and, particularly, outlast. She's a good winner of what was a good season of "Survivor." She wasn't a great winner and this wasn't a great season, but this was a season with many great moments and Denise navigated the waters well. [Note that I've heard rumors about next season and all of that. I just haven't discussed them in this recap, because some people like to be surprised when "Survivor" announces these things. But that's only my discretion. Yours may vary.]
 
What did you think of the finale? And do you have any key questions you want asked in my exit interviews tomorrow?

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    Adam B.

    So here's my question: how could Michael or Lisa have won this game? Was it as easy as "ally with Abi and/or Carter, and vote out Denise, then Malcolm"?

    December 17, 2012 at 12:40AM EST Reply to Comment
    • Gizmo_bigger_talkback_profile

      dan Adam - That's probably my first (or maybe second) question for both of them. If, given the composition and temperament of the Jury, if there was any arrangement from the Top 8 on that would have let them win...

      -Daniel

      December 17, 2012 at 12:43AM EST
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      Adam B. There is no dishonor in bringing a goat into the final three; Rob Mariano brought two with him when he won. I think they blew it when they eliminated Abi.

      December 17, 2012 at 12:48AM EST
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      dan Adam - I just wonder if Abi would have gotten the votes of her "alliance," since they didn't like Skupin and Blair. So if you're them, do you assume she has a couple votes in her pocket and then just needs to make a good speech to mess everything up? Or did they not even think that far?

      -Dan

      December 17, 2012 at 12:52AM EST
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      nic919 In an Abi, Lisa and Skupin final three, I can only see Pete and Artis voting for Abi and even that is iffy because Pete seemed to regret his alliance with her on his exit video. RC hated her and Denise, Malcolm, Penner and Carter were pretty fed up with her poor behaviour at camp. I also can't see Jeff Kent voting for her. He probably would have voted for Lisa. Skupin probably never had a chance to win, but I think Lisa had a shot.

      December 17, 2012 at 1:02AM EST
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      Jobin00 Dan,
      I highly doubt Abi would have received any votes in final 3 with Skupin and Lisa.

      Though the jury was bitter during the final jury, they all voted for the player who played the best strategic game of the 3.

      Voting for Abi on strategy is pretty impossible, since she self-destructed her own Tangdang tribe alliance that should have coasted to the final 6 or 7.

      The strategy that separated Lisa and Skupin was when they didn't vote the same, which was when Lisa voted against Penner, and Skupin voted against Artis and he went home 5-4.

      I think it would have been a close vote, but Skupin probably had a chance to win in that case, if if they had problems with him socially that were edited out.

      December 17, 2012 at 10:56AM EST
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    dan

    As a post-script: Penner got hosed in the America's Player vote...

    -Daniel

    December 17, 2012 at 12:52AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Zach R. Penner should get 5 minutes at the end of each show to just comment on what he saw.

      December 17, 2012 at 12:53AM EST
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      nic919 If Probst ever wants to retire I think Penner would be a great host.

      December 17, 2012 at 1:03AM EST
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      Mulderism I wish Probst would retire!

      I'd like to see Colby become the new host but he's already hosting another reality show.

      December 17, 2012 at 1:22AM EST
    • Machoman_talkback_profile

      bbq_hax0r I think having Malcolm and Penner in their confessionals really helped this season. Both always seemed to know what was going on until they got bit on the ass. I really liked Penner's jury speech, the "weird analogy" was amazing -- and spot on!

      December 17, 2012 at 3:47AM EST
    • Dwight-schrute_talkback_profile

      sauloccl Colby as host? You've got to be kidding me. Penner >>>>> Donaldson, just like Survivor >>>>>> Top Shot.

      December 17, 2012 at 5:54AM EST
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      Jobin00 Mulderism,
      Colby hosting is completely terrible idea, just go watch an episode of Top Shot, he's a complete dud.

      December 17, 2012 at 10:57AM EST
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      Mulderism Colby killed on Curb Your Enthusiasm! I thought he was hilarious. Not as good as the others but funny nonetheless.

      I've never seen Top Shot so I'll take your word for it.

      Boston Rob would be another host I'd consider.

      December 17, 2012 at 2:12PM EST
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      Kyle I really disliked him in his speech. There was no good game related reason to out Lisa as a teen star. Classless. The bitch comment (also with no god reason), also classless.

      December 18, 2012 at 10:18AM EST
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      the minister 7th for Penner as host.

      I kinda like Top Shot, and I don't think Colby is bad, but he's no Penner.

      December 21, 2012 at 12:49AM EST
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    Zach R.

    So Abi was right when she said if they voted her out in favor of Malcolm/Denise they were just giving the million dollars to one of them.

    December 17, 2012 at 12:52AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Mulderism

    I'm a little surprised that the jury wouldn't have voted for Malcolm as they revealed in the reunion show. I was also surprised at how many votes Denise got. According to the wiki page Denise got 6 votes. Were they votes for her or votes against Lisa and Skupin? I was pretty surprised at the bitterness of the jury.

    December 17, 2012 at 1:15AM EST Reply to Comment
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      bbq_hax0r I have to imagine SOMETHING towards the end of the game really made them bitter, or less likely someone on the jury. I'm thinking they were pretty upset at how far Blair/Skupin had gotten and that's what it was.

      December 17, 2012 at 3:49AM EST
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      Jobin00 The question Jeff asked, was Malcolm vs Denise in the final 3, and Denise would have won.

      It's pretty clear that Malcolm would have beat Lisa/Skupin in a final 3.


      RC cast a bizare vote for Lisa, something about her knowing Lisa was a threat early, so in order to validate she was "right" RC voted for her as the winner.

      RC thinking Lisa was a threat to win the game is RIDICULOUS. Older women are always the first to go, unless they are exceptionally fit like Denise was and there are poor challenge players to sacrifice instead.

      Carter's vote was because he was apparently really close with Skupin. That's all that was.

      December 17, 2012 at 11:36AM EST
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      Mulderism Has anyone watched the Ponderosa videos? That might help explain why the jury was so bitter.

      December 17, 2012 at 2:16PM EST
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      kckondor @JOBIN00

      While I agree with you about older women on the show, Lisa did make it to the end without every really being tight with the majority. It was a collection of minority groups that overthrew Tandang.

      I think Denise won because she didn't piss anybody off. Artis, Pete, and Abi were all aligned with Lisa/Skupin and their flip ousted them. I think it was clear what Penner thought about Lisa/Skupin. Then you had Malcolm that was just burned by the duo. That's 5 of the six right there.

      I absolutely did not think Abi would vote Denise, but apparently their final tribal conversion was sufficient enough.

      I think it really came down to Lisa vs. Denise. Denise didn't really have a ton of choice in her moves since she was constantly in the minority. Lisa however directly made choices against those on the jury.

      December 17, 2012 at 3:57PM EST
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      Jobin00 KC,
      How was Lisa not tight with the majority? She was constantly with the majority every step of the way.

      First she was with the dominating Tangdang, then when TangDang was falling apart, she was 6-7 strong with the major alliance, then she was solid until the final 4, then final 3 she was in no matter what happened. I'm not sure what the being "tight" or not with the majority means in terms of her being a threat or not.

      But my point is that Lisa was IN NO WAY a dangerous player. She was awful strategically, failing to make any of her plans for "big moves" happen, and she wasn't a challenge threat at all. Again, RC saying that she needed to get out Lisa because she was this threat to win, is RIDICULOUS.

      Further proof of that is that Lisa received ZERO votes from anyone else last night, and Lisa name NEVER came up with regards to any votes. Everyone knew Lisa was playing a 3rd or 4th place game, and they let her stay for the duration.


      I disagree on why Denise won the game.

      Jury members are going to be BITTER to those who actually were respondsible for them being voted off. Denise was more respondsible for people going home than Lisa or Skupin.

      Considering there were a couple of big votes along the way that Lisa/Skupin were not in the loop as to who was going home (this came up multiple times during the final jury questions), but Denise was definitely in the know and voted/sent people to the jury.

      Denise was clearly part of the alliance at all time during the merge that was sending people home.

      Best example, Denise/Skupin voted to send Artis home, and Lisa voted to send Penner home instead, the result of the vote was Artis went home.

      If Artis were really bitter, wouldn't he vote for Lisa since she was the ONLY one of the final 3 who had no hand in sending him home?

      Wouldnt Pete be bitter against all 3 of them? Since the all 3 were part of a group that split the votes between Abi and Pete (with Abi playing her idol).

      December 17, 2012 at 4:22PM EST
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      bbq_hax0r You guys really need to watch the Ponderosa videos. I ended up really liking Pete and hating, hating, HATING RC. I think she was the only one who was actually bitter.

      December 18, 2012 at 2:51AM EST
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    Nicole

    What was up with Penner calling Denise a bitch? That left a really bad taste in my mouth. Was it like a feminist "bitch is the new black, here's a million dollars" comment? How does Denise feel about it?

    December 17, 2012 at 1:32AM EST Reply to Comment
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      RyanT She feels like a million dollars I think.

      December 17, 2012 at 1:46AM EST
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      dan Nicole - I was confused by that as well and I'll certainly ask her about it...

      -Daniel

      December 17, 2012 at 2:21AM EST
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      Delta1212 I'm fairly certain that Penner was just looking to hit each one where it hurts and used whatever he happened to know about them that he thought would land home. In Lisa's case it was the "big secret" in Denise's it was a confessed fear of being perceived as a bitch, and in Skupin's, well, they weren't that close so he made do with what he found available at the time.

      December 17, 2012 at 1:10PM EST
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      Dezbot That bothered me as well. I kept wondering if there was something we didn't see that Denise did to piss off Penner, or if he was just out-doing Sue's "rats and snakes" speech.

      December 17, 2012 at 10:41PM EST
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      jamiem I assumed he was referring to her breakdown of Abi at that one tribal council. Hence, showing her "bitch" side. Since he voted for her, he might have meant it as a sign of respect. But Penner's always had a bit of a vicious streak, so maybe I'm wrong.

      The best side of his viciousness is when he used to talk back to Probst during Probst's challenge narration.

      December 18, 2012 at 5:06AM EST
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    kyled13

    I didn't like Penner's question and answer to Lisa "Blair Warner". I'm not sure what he did as at 25 but he was not prepared for that comeback and I'm glad she stood up for herself at that.

    December 17, 2012 at 2:38AM EST Reply to Comment
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      bbq_hax0r Being a celebrity is kind of relevant and something the jury ought to know. Penner graduating hs and working part-time at a retail store isn't exactly as relevant as being super-famous and well off. It also shows her growth and how she was able to accomplish something as Lisa and not Blair (which her entire argument about growth was based on to some extent). I thought it relevant and served both a positive and negative purpose.

      December 17, 2012 at 3:52AM EST
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      Jobin00 It's pretty clear that Penner was trying to poison the well for Lisa/Skupin and drive votes to Denise, because he thought she deserved to win.

      I don't think the Blair Warner reveal ment anything, if it had wouldn't Skupin and Denise, who both knew about her Facts of Life past, had made that reveal themselves?

      December 17, 2012 at 10:59AM EST
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      kckondor While not necessarily a celebrity. Penner has worked in the industry and even has a an Academy nom to his credit. Its not like he's that far from a 25 year removed sitcom star.

      December 17, 2012 at 3:58PM EST
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      bbq_hax0r Penner also makes no secret to what his profession was. If he had written a best seller 20 yrs ago it would relevant.

      December 17, 2012 at 7:40PM EST
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    Elevation

    The "Fallen Comrades" walk is one of the worst television moments of the year. The only way Michael or Lisa had a chance was if they took Abi to the finals. I'm surprised how neither the Denise/Malcolm or Lisa/Michael pairs made an effort to drag Abi to the bottom 3. She would have been a heat magnet during the obligatory bitter jury questioning.

    Denise played a really good game. The Final 4 was the only time I thought she actually had a chance to go home.

    Penner's actions during the jury questioning left a bad taste in my mouth. He came across like a pig to Denise or Lisa. That wasn't his job to spoil Lisa's past. Very disappointing.

    December 17, 2012 at 2:42AM EST Reply to Comment
    • Blair voted Penner out. Why should he remain loyal to her?

      December 17, 2012 at 9:47AM EST
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      Elevation Because he should have taken his medicine and lost like a man, instead of crying like a bitter troll.

      December 17, 2012 at 10:27AM EST
    • The jury blowing up people's secrets is part of the process. It's part of the risk you take in voting out people who know damaging information about you. The jury not only votes, but also tries to influence others and help their chosen person win. Penner had clearly chosen Denise, so he tried to sabotage Lisa. It's all part of the game.

      December 17, 2012 at 11:02AM EST
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    Jimbo

    Great season, decent winner. Denise certainly didn't play as good of a game as Malcolm, but she played a decent under-the-radar game. Michael and Lisa blew it by not dragging Abi along. They were worried about beating Malcolm in a challenge but it's not like he was Ozzy out there. Oh well, their mistake. Oh, and what a bitter jury. They all got outplayed. Hell, R.C. is still bitter even almost a year later.

    December 17, 2012 at 2:42AM EST Reply to Comment
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      bbq_hax0r I tend to agree with your thoughts, one of my favorite seasons in sometime and felt Denise was most deserving of the final three. I think the under-the-radar comment is accentuated by the fact Denise got so little talking time on the reunion show. I'm glad she won.

      But I don't think Denise made any (or atleast the fewest) mistakes which is ultimately why she won. Penner lost b/c he didn't want to commit to Blair/Skupin. Kent lost b/c he was blinded by some distrust of Penner. Peter lost b/c he was tied to Abi. Malcolm lost b/c he didn't lie to Denise. You can't really point to any mistakes Denise made, other than, as I believed, siding against the majority in the Jeff Kent vote -- which was made moot almost immediately.

      December 17, 2012 at 3:57AM EST
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      bbq_hax0r Hahah, I suppose the fact that Skupin/Blair were ignored by me shows a lot about their strategic game. Blair allowed Skupin to make the tough decision for her (to go against Team Yellow) and had her failed coup attempt against Malcolm and Skupin seemed slightly disillusioned with his game and the perception of himself.

      December 17, 2012 at 3:59AM EST
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      Jobin00 How was the jury actually bitter? They were in their final jury comments sure, but not in their voting.

      Denise had the best case to win on strategy, and the "bitter" jury members all voted for her to win the money. Denise had more to do with them all being in the jury, than Lisa/Skupin did.

      A "bitter" jury usually screws Denise and gives the money to someone else, that obviously didn't happen.

      December 17, 2012 at 11:04AM EST
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      kckondor @Jobin00

      How do you figure? Half the jury was Tandang. I think Lisa/Skupin flipping had something to do with their ouster. Its easier to blame former tribe/alliance members who turn than the one always fighting for a spot in the minority.

      Not to mention Lisa/Skupin turning on Penner. That's 5 people burned by Lisa/Skupin. Yes Denise was part of those votes, but it was their switch that made it all happen.

      That said, I still think Denise is very deserving of the win because she played with her back against the wall the whole game. Attending every single Tribal means you are at some risk.

      Penner and Malcolm only have themselves to blame. For whatever reason they both totally misplayed the end game.

      Penner got a little too confidant which has been the downfall of many.

      Malcolm overcomplicated the final 3 and tossed away a guaranteed spot. Denise seemed ready and willing to stay the course with Malcolm and he ignored it. Yes Malcolm vs. Denise is a tougher battle but its still a spot. By pushing Denise off he opened the door for her to go elsewhere.

      December 17, 2012 at 4:16PM EST
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      Jobin00 KC,
      As I said above look at the votes.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivor:_Philippines

      Denise was only with "Tangdang" for the first merge vote that got out RC, which was tangtang being self destructive.

      Denise had no clue about the Jeff vote, and was voting for Pete at the time. So Denise "went after" Pete before Lisa/Skupin did.

      Denise voted out Artis (with Skupin), and Lisa was clueless about that and voted against Penner.

      Penner was clearly always voting with zero "bitterness" and was voting for the best strategic game of the 3, which was clearly Denise.


      Penner screwed up by breaking the first survivor rule "if someone offers you a deal, you take it" with the consequence being if you don't you then become their target.


      You are wrong about Malcolm.

      Malcolm screwed up (as did Lisa/Skupin) because he didn't vote off Denise before Abi, since he wasn't beating Denise in a final vote (but would have beat Lisa/Skupin).

      Probst confirmed during the live show that Malcolm wasn't beating Denise in a final 3 vote had they been sitting beside each other.

      December 17, 2012 at 4:48PM EST
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      kckondor I think you are sort of making my point. Denise didn't turn on anyone. She came to the merge as part of one minority. She simply went along with the group. She didn't have to turn her back on anyone up until Malcolm. I know that she voted with certain people at different votes but it seemed clear to me that people were still tight in their original alliances. when it got to the final seven it was clearly Penner/Carter, Lisa/Skupin and Malcolm/Denise. Yes they had teamed up to oust the remaining Tandang but it still seemed like they were their own little blocks.

      I don't know how you can say Penner played with zero bitterness given his speech, calling Denise a bitch, and a bad attempt to throw Lisa under the bus. I like Penner as much as anybody but I found his final speech/questioning disappointing.

      What was Denise's strategic game? I think most of her success was due to her social game. She didn't piss anyone off and handled Abi in a way that nobody else could. I never felt like Denise had a strong presence strategy wise. She sort of went with the flow. Which is fine. That kept her from seeming like a back stabber, but I don't really call that strategy.

      Having said all that, its not like I think Lisa and/or Skupin were major strategic players.

      December 17, 2012 at 5:07PM EST
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      Jobin00 KC,
      Forget about what you "think" happened, and go by the actual votes.

      How did Denise "turn on" Malcolm? It was clear that Lisa/Skupin held all the power and would decide who would go to the final 3 with them.

      You are completely off...Malcolm made a final 3 deal with Lisa/Skupin, Denise wasn't turning on Malcolm it was Lisa/Skupin?

      You say that Denise didn't turn on anyone...who did Lisa/Skupin turn on?

      You say "what was Denise strategic game" what was Lisa or Skupins?


      Just because you believe that Denise won because of her social game was the best of the final 3, doesn't mean that she couldn't have also had the best strategic game of the final 3 as well.

      I just happen to believe both, Denise played the best stragetic game of the final 3, and she played the best social game of the 3.



      And if you have ever heard Penner speak about the game the multiple times he's played it (including this season), he always has voted for strategic reasons. I'm not sure how you didn't find that obvious.

      December 17, 2012 at 5:26PM EST
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      bbq_hax0r Lisa/Skupin had really poor strategic games especially compared to Denise. Lisa's biggest move was allowing Skupin to jump ship for her so she could save face. To which she then pathetically played up the whole rah rah with Team Yellow. Skupin made that move but did so too late and was never really in control of the game until the end.

      December 18, 2012 at 9:17AM EST
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      Jobin00 I don't think you can give credit to Lisa for "allowing Skupin" to vote a different way than she did.

      As Lisa said during final tribal, she got away from the Tangdang alliance when it was doomed to fail, which was after the vote that Lisa/Skupin went different ways.

      December 18, 2012 at 9:56AM EST
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      kckondor JOBIN,

      It's not that simple to just "go by the actual votes". Don't we have to attempt to understand the motivations for those votes. You make a blanket statement that clearly Penner votes on strategy. How can we possibly know that 100%. You and I both have our opinions about why people voted a certain way, but nothing is really concrete

      Also let me say that in no way am I arguing against Denise or for Lisa/Skupin. Going into the finale I was happy with any of the final four winning.

      It wasn't so much that Denise turned on Malcolm, but it did appear that had Malcolm not ignored her attempts at a final 3 discussion, then they both would have been sitting there (assuming Denise wins a fire making challenge). So really it was Malcolm turning his back on Denise that led her right to Lisa/Skupin. Lisa/Skupin's biggest mistake was not keeping Abi.

      Abi was right in her last tribal that Malcolm or Denise in the final means they lose. Lisa's best shot at winning was keeping Abi over Denise and then hoping to oust Malcolm at the final 4.

      To be honest I'm not sure any of the final four had a big strategic game. Their big play was teaming up at the merge to get rid of the remaining Tandang. None of the really stood out individually. They voted as a group and took out the biggest threats until they got to the final four.

      I don't think Lisa/Skupin had a big strategic move. Lisa attempted one early after the merge but nobody would bite. But what was Denise's? What was her big play?

      December 18, 2012 at 11:45AM EST
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      Jobin00 As the showed during the live show, if Malcolm and Denise are both sitting in the final 3, then Denise would have won. So Malcolm clearly screwed up (as Lisa/Skupin did) by keeping Denise over Abi.

      Denise exploited the cracks Tandang's tribe, and swayed Skupin to coming over to their side. Sure Tandang self-destructed partly on their own, but Denise still had to be part of the group that exploited that.

      Denise's big move (and she wasn't alone obviously) was convincing Skupin to vote against Artis, and keep Penner. That put Denise as part of the in-power alliance the rest of the way forward.

      Remember the prior tribe vote Denise was voting for Pete, and everyone voted out "Plan B" Jeff, so she was clearly not the majority during that vote.

      December 18, 2012 at 12:18PM EST
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      kckondor First,

      Good point on Denise's move there. I must have forgotten that. I guess it was just my overall impression of this season that the social game was the biggest part of the 3 survivor pillars. There wasn't a big challenge threat and there weren't really a ton of big moves. I think that has more to do with the quality of the cast.

      2ndly check out this interview here and tell me Penner wasn't voting with bitterness.

      http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/12/17/lisa-whelchel-survivor-philippines-cohosting-jeff-probst-show/

      There is another interview where Skupin alludes to the same thing as Lisa. Penner told them both that if they voted him out, they weren't winning the money. If anybody out there could make that happen at Ponderosa, its Penner. He's charasmatic and a good speaker. He could sway anybody.

      December 18, 2012 at 4:15PM EST
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      Jobin00 On please, a interview with delusional Lisa saying Penner posioned the jury against her because she was bitter if truth that Penner voted on bitterness? Lisa played an AWFUL game, and didn't deserve to win (nevermind get a single vote). Are you seriously trying to say that without Penner posioning the jury Lisa would have won? Because that's insane.

      Everyone says the "if you vote me out I'll poison the jury against you."

      http://www.hitfix.com/the-fien-print/interview-mike-skupin-talks-survivor-philippines

      See Skupin's interview where he says EVERYONE says that.

      December 19, 2012 at 10:44AM EST
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      kckondor Why is Penner so infallible to you. You seem to think its just impossible that he could have vote with any bitterness.

      Read that interview again. What skupin says to Dan, is far different than what Lisa and Skupin were telling EW. I think everyone out there could sense just like us that if Malcolm and Denise were in the final 3, then they would be favorites.

      That is different, than telling someone if you vote me out, I will make sure you don't win back at Ponderosa.

      Its not clear what was said because we didn't get to see it. All we have are the 13 episodes and a few interviews.

      Somehow people forget that for a competition/show that takes place for 39 days, We get to see about 10-11 hours worth. Yet we argue back and forth as if what we are saying is fact. Not to mention that during the editing process, producers know the whole story and thus can give it to us a certain way.

      December 19, 2012 at 11:04AM EST
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      Jobin00 Read Penner's interview

      http://www.hitfix.com/the-fien-print/interview-jonathan-penner-talks-survivor-philippines

      He specifically talks that HE screwed up, and it was the reason he went home.

      Penner has always said he would vote for the best strategic player, and he did when he voted for Denise over Lisa/Skupin.

      Penner even said this season in one of his talking heads (as part of the 10-11 hours we did get to see), basically it was "if someone blindsides me and votes me out, I'll shake their hand and tell them good job because they should be trying to get me out."


      There is much more credible evidence that Penner was voting for the best strategic reason, than this belief that he was so very bitter and wouldn't vote for Lisa/Skupin.

      Isn't it far more likely that Lisa/Skupin, who played inferior games, are just lying to themselves about the flaws in their game, and thus blaming Penner for posioning the jury against them as the reason they didn't win.

      Read Skupin's interview, he's completely delusional about how he was playing the game so very "agressively."

      December 19, 2012 at 11:48AM EST
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      kckondor You make valid points here. I am a big Penner fan and was sort of thrown off my his jury speech. Calling Denise a bitch and outing Lisa were not what I expected from him.

      Reading Malcolm's interview painted a clearer picture of the jury for me. He basically said that everyone was in agreement about Denise being the winner. However he did say that watching the show back made him see at least Lisa in a different light than he did during the game.

      It doesn't really matter whether it was her social or strategic game. The jury respected her enough either way to send her the votes.

      Like I mentioned earlier, I was happy no matter who won. This was the best season in awhile.

      P.S. thanks for the good discussion. Its rare to have an internet disagreement without resorting to nonsense.

      December 19, 2012 at 3:47PM EST
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    HWah

    I'd also like to know Blair Warner's feelings on Penner. He has been edited to come across like someone seemingly a friend and then just destroying her in the end (not that he changed any votes).

    Is she over letting others tell her story what her story should be and screw her over to tell their own version? (I really think it was low what Penner did and he's always been one of my favorites)

    I'm kind of surprised that I was annoyed by that tonight.

    December 17, 2012 at 2:52AM EST Reply to Comment
    • Blair voted Penner out. Why should he remain loyal to her?

      December 17, 2012 at 9:47AM EST
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    bbq_hax0r

    Dan, I don't know if you get a chance to interview the final people, but could you find out why the other tribes didn't realize that Malcolm/Denise were aligned until it was too late?

    December 17, 2012 at 3:33AM EST Reply to Comment
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    sauloccl

    The finale was ok, but I really, really enjoyed the Reunion Show. It was sensational. Even the first players to be eliminated made me laugh out loud, proving how strong the cast of this season was.

    Any idea of who the favorites returning next season are?

    December 17, 2012 at 6:04AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Jobin00 Saul,
      I was disappointed in the reunion show, if an alpha male (producer/Probst favorite) doesn't win, then they spend ZERO time discussing why Denise was able to win.

      Instead it was all time spent on how the "favorites" screwed up along the way, and Denise comes off as winning by default.


      As for returning next season, only based on the reunion show, I'd bet Malcolm and Angie are coming back.

      They are trying to hype Malcolm up as the next Ozzy (he's not that good at challenges, he wasn't doing crazy impressive fishing, so I don't get the forced narrative).

      And the only question Jeff asked Angie was if she would do it again. Also noting she was the youngest player, which then easily creates the "I'm smarter now..." if she comes back and plays.

      Also, they could be hoping for drama or romance with Malcolm and Angie on their previous cuddle/showmance. I'm sure they could find 5 pairs of showmances of "returning favorites" to come back and play the game against fans.

      December 17, 2012 at 11:12AM EST
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      bbq_hax0r Yes this list is out if you want to google it. I have to say I was slightly disappointed, but hopefully next season will be as strong as this season.

      December 17, 2012 at 1:05PM EST
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      Andrew 2 I also saw next season's list of returning players. Quite a few head-scratchers, to say the least. "Favorites" is a very loosely defined term, I'd say...

      December 17, 2012 at 1:19PM EST
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      Jobin00 Agree with you both, the list is pretty disappointing if you are looking for actual fan favorites.

      But I do think bringing back players less intimidating returning players will help reduce the need to get out returning players at all costs.

      It will also help in terms of learning about new players, since we will have 10 players we already vaguely know, hopefully producers will be able to focus on other 10 players.

      December 17, 2012 at 1:41PM EST
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      sauloccl http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m90thpyBRM1rsw1yf.gif

      That list, if proven true, is interesting because almost all of them are NOT favorites of anyone.

      The dumbest of all players, it was clear that he would return someday, but I didn't expect to see another member of that "Survivor royalty" family on my TV so early. Gosh, they also brought back the greatest goat in Survivor history and the incredibly annoying nerd that nobody likes. Why not Ken, from Survivor Gabon? Speaking of it, of all the great players from that season... WTF! WHY?

      I didn't remember a thing about two of them, to be honest. The person who, in my opinion, single-handedly destroyed the Redemption Island concept is a wilcard to me, but at least they brought back one of the greatest players of recents seasons and I'll have someone to root for. She is the only one who I think of as a favorite.

      Hopefully the group of new castaways will be better.

      December 17, 2012 at 5:29PM EST
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      bbq_hax0r Yea. I honestly remembered only half of them w/o googling their names. Fans v. Favorites worked out for them last time though, so its def. worth another chance. Especially since there are really only two alphas from that group (one I believe is the 'she' you were referring to. I'm not sure where they get their muscle for challenges though unless they intend to split this group of 10 up somehow.

      December 18, 2012 at 1:54AM EST
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      sauloccl Look at them:
      http://i.imgur.com/wN1jx.jpg
      http://i.imgur.com/GfnZg.gif
      http://i.imgur.com/UGD1b.gif
      and
      http://i.imgur.com/uf4mC.jpg
      http://i.imgur.com/5xTe3.jpg

      There is no way they will be a tribe, right?

      December 18, 2012 at 3:55AM EST
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      bbq_hax0r Image 1 and 4/5 were close on their season which might give them an advantage. I don't think they'll split them up since it's fan VERSUS favorites, but I don't see a lot of promise on the favorites team. They might have to cast some physically weaker players on the new tribe in order to balance it out as other than 1 player, I don't know where physical strength comes in.

      December 18, 2012 at 6:08PM EST
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    Andrew 2

    I am shocked Abi voted for Denise; they hated each other, especially Abi toward Denise. It didn't seem like Abi and Lisa were really enemies, either.

    December 17, 2012 at 9:35AM EST Reply to Comment
    • Abi told Mike and Lisa they were handing the million dollars to Denise if they didn't take her to the finale, and she wanted to be right about that.

      December 17, 2012 at 1:40PM EST
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      Jobin00 But that was when Abi was trying to bully/convince Lisa/Skupin in voting to save her, and vote out Denise.

      Based on Abi's final tribal directing all her anger at Denise for the whole tribe hating her, I was still surprised that Abi voted for Denise to win.

      I figured it was more "the current jury" is going to vote for Denise over you two, not that Abi, herself, was going to definitely vote for Denise.

      December 17, 2012 at 1:46PM EST
    • I'm guessing Abi got to Ponderosa and got a chance to get some perspective. She probably talked to people like Penner or Pete, and especially Malcolm once he got there, and maybe got a little sense of why she was so vilified. Denise also did a solid job of explaining/apologizing when Abi asked her about it in the final jury. In the end, she wanted to reward the best player. In a way, maybe she was trying to make up for a season of bitchiness with a final act of nobility.

      December 17, 2012 at 2:51PM EST
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      Jobin00 Jess,
      That is possible.

      But I guess I only really saw a large change in her demeanor at the live show.

      Again, this does just highlight again the need for them to take the time during the reunion show to ask each jury member why they voted for who they voted for.

      If you know the reasons why people are voting or not voting for people to win, then it will/should improve future seasons from a strategy standpoint.

      December 17, 2012 at 3:20PM EST
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      sauloccl Abi seems to be a nice girl outside the game. It's hard to imagine how someone would behave under these difficult circumstances... Survivor can bring out the worst of everybody.

      December 17, 2012 at 5:43PM EST
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      Jobin00 But can you really remember anyone being this unaware of how abrasive and annoying she was being to people?

      December 18, 2012 at 9:59AM EST
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    Bunny Colvin

    Hi Dan - Maybe ask Angie for some more bikini pictures if you get to interview her again? Also, maybe ask Denise why she married Mr. Bean?

    December 17, 2012 at 11:40AM EST Reply to Comment
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    troopermsu

    I think there was so much bitterness on the jury because each one of them made a major mistake that cost them. The finalists, with the exception of Denise, were probably seen as inferior players by the jury members. It wasn't that they were bitter at the three finalists so much as they were angry at themselves and had to turn that anger onto external targets. I think.

    December 17, 2012 at 2:19PM EST Reply to Comment
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    troopermsu

    I think Penner would prove a capable host should Probst ever give up the snuffer.

    December 17, 2012 at 2:22PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Lana

    "I think Malcolm would have won with as much ease as Denise did. [On the Live Show, the Jury suggested that I'm wrong and that they still would have voted for Denise, if Denise and Malcolm had been in the Final Three together.]"

    Yeah, but that scenario Jeff run by the jury was stupid, because Lisa and Skupin were voting together at F4, which means if Malcolm had been in the F3, Denise wouldn't have been, and in that case, yes, Malcolm would have beat Skupin and Lisa just as easily as Denise did.

    I appreciatted the snark, Dan, particularly the rites of passage segment, =)

    December 18, 2012 at 10:16AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Jobin00 Lana,
      Malcolm and Denise could have voted together and put 2 votes on Lisa, Lisa/Skupin would have put 2 votes on Malcolm or Denise.

      Then it would have been a fire challenge between Lisa and Malcolm/Denise.

      So had Malcolm or Denise won that challenge, it would have been Skupin, Malcolm, Denise final 3.

      December 18, 2012 at 12:21PM EST

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