Listen: Firewall & Iceberg Podcast No. 149
Dan and Alan talk 'Treme,' 'Partners' and Emmys
Happy Tuesday, Boys & Girls!
After a day off for Rosh Hashanah, it's time for the regular, weekly installment of The Firewall & Iceberg Podcast.
This week's installment is mostly dedicated to a ton of Emmy predictions blather. It's a lot of the same thing that Sepinwall and I have been doing in his predictions blog posts, only this time... It's with our voices! I'll leave it for you to decide if that's an improvement.
We also talk about the new season of HBO's "Treme" and we got a head start on Monday's premiere of CBS' "Partners."
Expect two podcasts next week as premieres kick into high gear!
Here's today's breakdown:
"Treme" (00:01:10 - 00:19:15)
"Partners" (00:20:00 - 00:29:45)
Emmy Predictions (00:29:50 - 01:23:45)
Listener Mail - First Show Cancelled (01:23:50 - 01:32:30)
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A long-time member of the TCA Board and a longer-time blogger of "American Idol," Dan Fienberg writes about TV, except for when he writes about movies or sometimes writes about the Red Sox. But never music. He would sound stupid talking about music.
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September 18, 2012 at 6:32PM EST Reply to CommentAny chance you'll say a few words about the Weeds finale in an upcoming podcast?
sauloccl Or Damages. Well, I think they both stopped to watch the show maybe three or four years ago... but it doesn't hurt to ask.
September 18, 2012 at 7:47PM ESTsauloccl *stopped watching
September 18, 2012 at 7:48PM ESTNat I'd also like to hear a few words on Weeds (which, if I remember correctly, Dan's been following) if there's time.
September 18, 2012 at 8:14PM ESTdan We talk about so many different shows of so many different types... And all three of the comments on this week's podcast posts so far are asking us about shows we don't cover. #SadPanda
September 18, 2012 at 8:16PM ESTWe did both stop watching "Damages." I still watch "Weeds," but I haven't watched the finale yet due to Rosh Hashanah, but Alan stopped watching...
-Daniel
Ryan Schwartz
September 18, 2012 at 8:46PM EST Reply to CommentRules of Engagement will be ready. Production begun 2-3 weeks ago based on tweets from the cast. And I don't see where else it would go at this point unless CBS put 2.5 Men or Mike and Molly on hiatus for the winter, which is highly, highly unlikely.
dan Ryan - If "Partners" is a success, CBS could pair "Rules" with the McLovin' Groupon sitcom [I love that that's a real thing] and try for a new comedy block somewhere else in the lineup. Maybe between seasons of "Survivor" or something? But yes, obviously if "Partners" fails, that could be a speedy swap-in, if required. Good to know...
September 18, 2012 at 8:54PM EST-Daniel
sauloccl
September 18, 2012 at 8:48PM EST Reply to CommentBest comment of the podcast: "If anyone other than the two butlers win I'll be happy". I got a bad feeling that "Downton Abbey" will win the number of Emmys that Dan predicted for "Homeland". Hopefully I'm wrong.
WaltEagle
September 18, 2012 at 8:49PM EST Reply to CommentI think Boardwalk Empire and Game of Thrones are both capable of incorporating most of their cast in useful ways but they just annoyingly opted not to in their second seasons, partly because the size of the cast increased. In Boardwalk Empire Season 1, Eli, Van Alden, Angela, and Rothstein were all in 11 out of 12 episodes; none of the supporting cast are even close to that anymore. You'd think the departure of one of the main characters would free up time to give everyone a season-long arc that each episode develops, Treme-style.
As for Game of Thrones, it's a little more forgiveable to have people miss episodes because not everyone is as close together or involved with each other as Boardwalk. Season 1 really worked because there was basically just Ned&friends, Dany, Tyrion, and Jon as the four dominant storylines; most of the main characters were all in King's Landing. Season 2 changed from 4 main storylines to about 10: Tyrion, Jon, Dany, Robb, Theon, Arya, Sansa, Bran, Renly, Stannis all relatively separate.
sauloccl They have to follow George R. R. Martin's books. So don't blame them for that. The only other alternative would be what they (successfully) did on 'Blackwater'. But that simply doesn't work on a weekly basis because everything is happening simultaneously.
September 18, 2012 at 9:09PM ESTAlways remember what Melisandre said to Stannis: “This war (and the TV show) will last for years..." The cast of Game of Thrones is still small. Just wait until we get to season 10. Some of its best characters has not even been introduced yet.
WaltEagle I've read all the books, but it doesn't have to be this disjointed. Book 2 flows just as well as Book 1, and the characters on the fringes of the war get whole chapters at a time instead of a two minute scene. Just because they're following the books (a lot more loosely in Season 2, I might add), doesn't mean they are writing as well as they possibly can be and I can't make complaints about it.
September 18, 2012 at 9:14PM ESTAnd yes, "Blackwater" was brilliant, but I don't want every episode to be that focused. I just want episodes in which all subplots are as focused as every Season 1 episode.
WaltEagle
September 18, 2012 at 9:12PM EST Reply to Comment"Pregnant" is possibly the weakest writing submission Louie could have picked. The best: Duckling, Subway/Pamela, Come On God, Eddie.
gladly While I don't think "Pregnant" is the strongest episode from Louie, I don't think it's the weakest. The conversation between Louie and his sister, and the speeches from Louie's neighbor are great writing.
September 19, 2012 at 9:43AM ESTI would have nominated Louie's speech to Pamela in the market for everything, though. Every award ever.
WaltEagle
September 18, 2012 at 10:00PM EST Reply to CommentI think Harris' real money scene is when he's confronted by Don. I'm still going with Esposito, though.
not_carlos
September 18, 2012 at 10:21PM EST Reply to CommentI actually think it's Hamm's weakest season. Certainly his worst submission; he's upstaged by Hendricks and Moss in "The Other Woman". I'm still rooting for him because he needs an Emmy most for the role, but Cranston and Lewis had better seasons and submissions. He should have gone with "Far Away Places".
belinda
September 19, 2012 at 4:40AM EST Reply to CommentRules of Engagement is still on air? WUT
Ln
September 19, 2012 at 7:27AM EST Reply to Commentthe way Dan says "Modern Family" when Alan asks him who will win best comedy is hilarious
Josh
September 19, 2012 at 11:31AM EST Reply to CommentLead Actor in a Comedy is the first category in years where all six nominees have a chance at winning. Louis and Larry are GoldDerby favourites and worthiest, Baldwin/Parsons/Cryer are Emmy-loved past winners, Cheadle is a movie star. My money's on Louis though.
John
September 20, 2012 at 1:07AM EST Reply to CommentI really despise the "logic" of giving an Emmy to Jon Hamm (or anybody else) over Bryan Cranstaon this year because "he's won so many times already." This is the exact same logic that led to Karl Malone winning the 1997 NBA MVP over Michael Jordan. Just vote for the best performance. If it really is a tie, fine. Then, you can go with the guy who hasn't won it. But it's not a tie--Cranston's performance in "Crawl Space is the best I've ever seen from an actor on television, and not voting for him this year for any reason is ridiculous.