Listen: Firewall & Iceberg Podcast No. 147
Dan and Alan talk 'New Normal,' 'Sons of Anarchy,' 'Parenthood' and the 'Breaking Bad' finale
Happy Thursday, Boys & Girls...
Monday was a holiday and I was out of the country until last night, so it's time for a special late-week installment of The Firewall & Iceberg Podcast.
In this podcast, we finally discussed the 2012 finale of "Breaking Bad" and, looking ahead to next week -- expect a Tuesday or Wednesday podcast, so we wanted to get some things done early -- we also reviewed new seasons of "Parenthood" and "Sons of Anarchy," as well as NBC's new comedy "The New Normal."
Here's the breakdown:
"The New Normal" (00:03:40 - 00:22:10)
"Parenthood" (00:22:15 - 00:34:30)
"Sons of Anarchy" (00:34:30 - 45:50)
Listener Mail on pilot changes (00:45:55 - 00:56:25)
"Breaking Bad" (00:57:15 - 01:22:45)
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A long-time member of the TCA Board and a longer-time blogger of "American Idol," Dan Fienberg writes about TV, except for when he writes about movies or sometimes writes about the Red Sox. But never music. He would sound stupid talking about music.
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Login or create a HitFix account Login SignupPaul F
September 6, 2012 at 8:51PM EST Reply to CommentThe episode isn't showing up on the RSS feed yet?
Also, in iTunes, the episode times are all screwed up: it shows the last episode as being 7179 hours long, etc.
dan Paul F - Which RSS feed? And the times at iTunes have always been screwed up. Nobody on our end knows what to do and so life goes on...
September 6, 2012 at 8:52PM EST-Daniel
September 6, 2012 at 8:55PM ESTdan Paul - Ah right. I forgot that exists... I'll keep an eye out...
September 6, 2012 at 8:58PM EST-Daniel
Tausif Khan Dan- I don't know what your profile pic is supposed to be but right now it just looks like it says "Gizm" which leaves me a little perplexed. What's up with that?
September 7, 2012 at 1:16AM ESTdan Tausif - I don't see what you're seeing, but except for when HitFix randomly Facebook-connects me for comments, my profile picture remains, as always, Gizmo.
September 7, 2012 at 1:30AM EST-Daniel
Dave I
September 6, 2012 at 10:39PM EST Reply to CommentIS Walt still at all sympathetic? I think he is still relateable if nothing else. I DO believe he is really "out," and that his cancer is probably back.
As for Jesse . . . I liked that Jesse was marginalized if only to develop a split between him and Walt and a divergence of their paths. I wonder how he would ever find out about Brock, much less Jane. I suppose he could figure out about Brock, but Jane seems like something we'll know about that will otherwise remain a secret.
Lydia . . . It could have been done better. However, she was a blithering, twitching fool because she was scared out of her wits having the world as she knew it pulled out from under her. I guess I can just let her earlier apparent ineptitude slide.
-Cheers
Dave I Maybe a better question for Walt; is he redeemable?
September 6, 2012 at 10:51PM ESTFWIW, I do not think Walt dies in the last episode if for no other reason than I think Gilligan is aware of the Breaking Bad/Scarface connection, has even made a pretty obvious nod to that, and will go for something different than him going down with his machine gun in hand. I'm not sure if I am excited or worried about the ending of the series being fluid.
-Cheers
dan Dave I - In this episode, he ordered the murder of nine low-level employees.
September 6, 2012 at 11:15PM ESTNo. No he's not redeemable. He could still absolutely recover viewer sympathy, because we're prone to liking him and we could certainly do it again. But he can't be redeemed...
IMO.
-Daniel
-Daniel
Dave I I flat out do not know. I think almost anybody can be redeemed. However, I think they have to have it in their heart to be seeking redemption. Walt does not seem to be of that mindset, he is too detached from humanity. However, he is still fascinating and still somewhat identifiable. I suspect I am in the slim minority when I can say I still kind of like Walt. I can definitely empathize with him on some level, and absolutely see his rationale for most everything he has done, even if I could never make some of the decisions he did.
September 7, 2012 at 4:49PM ESTI guess I'm an optimist. I believe Walt could be redeemed. However, I do not think he WILL be, or that we'll see him have anything even close to a happy ending. Looking at AMC Hank's Blog, they seem to be setting Walt up as a monster, and do a nice job of fleshing out how horrible what happened to those ten inmates was. Clearly, either the writers believe Walt is an incurable monster, or that Hank believes that to his core and have set up the final eight episodes to be about Hank's unshakable belief Walt is one of those said monsters who needs to be caught and brought down.
Still, I'm an optimist. I would like to believe Walt is not irreconcilably broken or lost. Then again, I also believed Terriers and Awake were coming back. I do not have the best track record for these things.
-Cheers
De Niro I think he could be redeemed, I'd there's at least a good chance. I also certainly hope so.
September 8, 2012 at 8:04PM ESTDave I
September 6, 2012 at 10:45PM EST Reply to CommentSerious question: How is finding out about Walt being Heisenberg going to end Hank's career? Hank's boss fell on his sword, so to speak, because he did not figure out Gus Fring was this big drug lord. Hank figured that out, solved the mystery of Mike and the rest of Gus' men, AND now will have landed the biggest fish in this story, the still at-large Heisenberg. He did not slip up and miss Heisenberg, he just put all the pieces together. How can that ruin his professional life? His personal and family life, sure, that's probably shot. His professional life? The guy will have solved a case nobody thought was still a case, maybe never thought even existed since most do not seem concerned with Heisenberg much if at all.
So I guess I'll have to disagree with that assessment, for whatever that's worth.
-Cheers
eddieisannoy I can't cut and paste, because of the format, but read this and you can see why.
September 6, 2012 at 11:07PM ESThttp://i.imgur.com/WSTvu.jpg
bh
September 6, 2012 at 11:37PM EST Reply to CommentYou need to travel through a minimum of three other countries to get from Bulgaria to the Czech Republic, Alan. For shame.
nat
September 6, 2012 at 11:46PM EST Reply to CommentDoes anyone have a link to the post detailing how the pool scene mirrors the pool scenes of the second season?
Hatfield
September 7, 2012 at 9:50AM EST Reply to CommentI worry that you guys are hinting at some sort of prison rape or torture scenario for Tig, presumably as payback for Pope's daughter. I really hope not, I've come back around on Tig, keep hoping he'll be the one to eliminate Clay.
Is Rockmund Dunbar back? Just rewatched Terriers, forgot how great he is.
Brett
September 7, 2012 at 1:15PM EST Reply to CommentYay for Trampled by Turtles!
CL59
September 7, 2012 at 2:27PM EST Reply to CommentThe only thing I know about Bulgaria is that Katherine Pierce is from there. So I reckon it must be a nice place to visit, if she's at all representative of bulgarian women. :)
WaltEagle
September 8, 2012 at 1:50PM EST Reply to CommentAaron Paul really didn't get an Emmy episode at all this season. Cranston didn't get something on par with "Pilot", "Phoenix", "Full Measure", and "Crawl Space", either, so maybe Hamm has a shot. I do like the possibility (however slight) that Paul, Esposito, Banks, and Norris could all win in the same category for the show though.
I bet Gomez has about three or four episodes left alive.
belinda
September 9, 2012 at 4:22PM EST Reply to CommentMTV's Men of a Certain Age.
xD
Thank you.
blankPaige
September 9, 2012 at 8:42PM EST Reply to CommentThank you for the Jem reference! Much appreciated.
Erika Herzog
September 10, 2012 at 9:39AM EST Reply to Commentsorry guys but between the awkward and sort of insulting comments on Bulgaria / Sofia and then the awkward and very insulting "sisters are doing it for themselves" prostitution comments i could have done without the intro.
the whole "i must have this" baby joke is problematic on so many levels. but i know so many straight people who are like this about babies. though maybe this is a commentary about ryan murphy's connection to wealthy gay couples and their accumulation / appropriation of yucky straight culture metrics? i don't know.... just really didn't enjoy this -- if this is the premise.
amg
September 10, 2012 at 9:41PM EST Reply to CommentI have fallen way behind on podcasts this summer, but am finally catching up and very glad to hear the two of you talking about the small but beautiful moments of Parenthood again. And I had forgotten about Ray Romano guesting...that will be a real treat. No hope for more than 16 eps though? It will be a very disappointing spring then!