Listen: Firewall & Iceberg Podcast No. 139

Listen: Firewall & Iceberg Podcast No. 139

Dan and Alan talk Emmys, 'Sullivan & Sons,' 'Breaking Bad' and more


Happy Thursday, Boys & Girls. 
It's time for a special Emmy-heavy installment of The Firewall & Iceberg Podcast.
Just in case you haven't read my Winners & Losers gallery or read Sepinwall's reactions, we chatter for more than 35 minutes in celebration of Kathy Bates, random "Downton Abbey" supporting players and the absurd notion that "American Horror Story" is a movie or miniseries.
We also spend a few minutes tearing into TBS' dismal "Sullivan and Son" and then we do our usual "Breaking Bad" and "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" chatter.
Here's the breakdown:
Emmy Nominations (00:01:40 - 00:38:20)
"Sullivan and Son" (00:38:25 - 00:45:15)
"Breaking Bad" premiere (00:45:25 - 01:04:40)
"Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (01:04:45 - 01:15:45)

As always, you can subscribe to The Firewall & Iceberg Podcast over at the iTunes Store, where you can also rate us and comment on us. [Or you can always follow our RSS Feed.] 

And as always, feel free to e-mail us questions for the podcast.

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Louis C.K. and Lena Dunham lead Emmy Nomination Winners & Losers

Louis C.K. and Lena Dunham lead Emmy Nomination Winners & Losers

'Justified' and 'Parks and Recreation' are less lucky
Last night, I posted my full slate of Emmy nomination predictions for 10 major categories and then, at 5:40 this morning, I found out how foolish I am.
Actually, I got 44 of 61 nominees in the categories I predicted, which is a respectable 72 percent. I got all six of the Lead Actor Comedy nominees and six of seven Lead Actress Comedy nominees (and I shouldn't be responsible for not anticipating a tie. 
As I guessed last night, one of my mistakes was underestimating the chances for "Downton Abbey." Joanne Froggat was, I believe, the only nominee who I didn't even place in my "Some other notable candidates" slide. Big ooops there. I also assumed xenophobia would give Elizabeth McGovern the advantage over the far more deserving Michelle Dockery, so... Yay!
A lot of the nominees that I missed -- folks like Jared Harris, Kathryn Joosten and Hugh Bonneville -- were relatively high up among contenders, but I know why I didn't predict them.
Anyway... I think that makes me both a Winner and a Loser on Emmy Nomination Morning.
Here's a gallery of other Winners & Losers.
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Predictions for the 64th Primetime Emmy Awards
Credit: Matt Sayles/AP

Predictions for the 64th Primetime Emmy Awards

All of this summer's Emmy nomination predictions in advance of Thursday's nods
Within 12 hours, all of these predictions for the 2012 Primetime Emmy Award nominations will be moot. Jimmy Kimmel (a late replacement for Nick Offerman) and Kerry Washington will have read their share of the nominees and the TV Academy will have released the rest and we'll all look foolish.
Maybe we'll all look foolish for having underestimated the appeal of "Smash" to the actor-heavy TV Academy, as the NBC musical-drama scooped up 15 nominations, including nods for the guys who played Ellis and Leo. For now, I've only got Anjelica Huston making the cut.
Maybe I'll look foolish for overestimating potential support for "Girls," which I have picking up a Comedy Series nod and a Lead Actress nod for Lena Dunham, but may prove too insular or too "New York" for Emmy voters. 
Maybe we'll all look foolish for not anticipating a "Modern Family" backlash. One of these years, the entire adult cast of the ABC comedy *won't* be nominated for Emmys. I don't think this'll be the year and I've got nominations predicted for everybody, once again. Or maybe this is the year Emmy voters turn on "30 Rock" and boot Tina Fey or Alec Baldwin? I don't think so.
Maybe I'll look foolish for assuming that "Downton Abbey" will build on last year's momentum in the movies/miniseries field and make a strong showing in the drama categories. Or maybe I'll look foolish for not predicting more nominations for "Downton Abbey." 
Anyway, that's why you post prediction lists, either to look brilliant or to look foolish. I'm counting on foolishness.
For my final nomination predictions, I'm sticking with the Top 6 I selected in my epic Emmy handicapping galleries. I stared at the fields for many hours to come up with those galleries and spend thousands of words depending those guesses, so I might as well stand by them, even if I no longer remember the reasons for some of those anticipated nods. Like I know why I like Max Greenfield on "New Girl," but why the heck did I put him at No. 6 in my gallery, rather than Nick Offerman? Or why did I predict that all of the Showtime "comedy" leading ladies were going to drop out of that nomination field? I don't know.
But at 5:40 a.m. Pacific tomorrow morning, we'll get our answers.
Here are the full predictions in the 10 main fields, category-by-category (plus Sepinwall's wish-lists):
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Watch: 'Fringe' star Anna Torv talks Comic-Con emotions and the final season

Watch: 'Fringe' star Anna Torv talks Comic-Con emotions and the final season

How will Olivia handle the 'Letters of Transit' future?
SAN DIEGO - The final Comic-Con panel for FOX's "Fringe" was emotional for the entire cast, with tears coming easily for stars Anna Torv, Jasika Nicole and even Lance Reddick. 
In the press room after the panel, Torv was quick to jokingly blame Nicole for her lachrymosity in front of a crowd of 6000 fans. 
We also discussed the biggest news to come out of the Comic-Con panel, which was that the fifth and concluding season of "Fringe" will be largely -- never say "entirely" went it comes to time, space or dimensions on "Fringe" -- set in the 2036 future established in the "Letters of Transit" episode from last spring.
That just happens to have been an episode that didn't include Torv. In our conversation, Torv discusses going out of her way to meet her on-screen future-daughter and what she expects the future is going to mean for Olivia.
Stay tuned in the days to come for my "Fringe" Comic-Con interviews with Joshua Jackson, John Noble, Lance Reddick and showrunner J.H. Wyman (somehow I missed Jasika in the press room tumult).
"Fringe" returns to FOX on Friday, September 28.
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<p>Charlie Hunnam and Maggie Siff of &quot;Sons of Anarchy&quot;</p>

Charlie Hunnam and Maggie Siff of "Sons of Anarchy"

Credit: FX

Comic-Con 2012 Live-Blog: FX's 'Sons of Anarchy'

Kurt Sutter, Charlie Hunnam, Ron Perlman and company end Comic-Con with a bang

SAN DIEGO - This is it, folks. After four days of frenzied live-blogging, this is the conclusion of Comic-Con 2012, both for me and, I believe, for Hall H. 

And what better way to end Comic-Con with one of the least Comic-Con-y panels imaginable... FX's "Sons of Anarchy," which goes under the same "Smart people attend Comic-Con and smart people watch 'Sons of Anarchy' [kinda]" banner that I used to justify why "Breaking Bad" was so well received on Friday.

Click through to see how long it takes Kurt Sutter, Ron Perlman, Charlie Hunnam and company to notice that the placards with their names also warn them that some members of the audience are under 18...


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<p>Joshua Jackson, Anna Torv and John Noble of &quot;Fringe&quot;</p>

Joshua Jackson, Anna Torv and John Noble of "Fringe"

Credit: FOX

Comic-Con 2012 Live-Blog: FOX's 'Fringe'

FOX favorite takes over Hall H for its Comic-Con farewell

SAN DIEGO - Comic-Con is a good place to say good-bye. In recent years, I remember final Comic-Con panels for shows like "Lost" and "Chuck," which ended up being emotional farewells for fans and stars alike.

On Sunday (July 15), Comic-Con faithful will be able to bid adieu to "Fringe," as the cult favorite holds its last panel, this time taking over Hall H.

Who will laugh? Who will cry?

Click through for the full live-blog...

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<p>Some folks from HBO's &quot;True Blood&quot;</p>

Some folks from HBO's "True Blood"

Credit: HBO

Comic-Con 2012 Live-Blog: HBO's 'True Blood'

Alan Ball and company discuss vampires, werewolves and more

San Diego - Welcome to hour two of Comic-Con's Saturday (July 14) afternoon sucking, vampire-wise.

I already live-blogged "The Vampire Diaries" and now it's time for HBO's "True Blood."

Get psyched, after the break...

4:35 p.m. OK. This is starting a bit late. I'm kinda rolling the dice on not swapping my batteries now. Cross your fingers that I make it to the end.

4:36 p.m. Alan Ball takes the stage first. "Wow," he says. We're starting with a trailer, mostly sneak peeks of things to come in Season 5. Sookie seems to want to be regular and she seems to want to forget about Bill. Tara seems to be working as a gogo dancer. Jessica seems to be dancing sexy and in bed with somebody in lingerie. Russell seems to get healthier and hammier (in a good way). Lafayette seems to be channeling some spirits. Jessica seems to be kicking some butt. An apocalypse seems to be coming. Or something. That actually looked decent.

4:39 p.m. People are very excited for Joe Manganiello. Excited, but less-so for Ryan Kwanten. I'm excited for Deborah Ann Woll, looking smashing in green. We've also got Sam Trammell, Rutina Wesley, Christopher Meloni, Alexander Skarsgard (not in the program, but extremely well-received), Kristen Baurer van Staten, Stephen Moyer and Anna Paquin (VERY pregnant). And, of course, we've got Alan Ball.

4:42 p.m. The moderator wants to know if the "True Blood" cast has a rivalry with "The Vampire Diaries" cast. "We don't talk about them," Moyer cracks. 

4:42 p.m. Ball agrees that he's enjoying finding new combinations of characters. "It's one of my favorite things about the show is the new chemistry between characters who were maybe at odds before," Ball says. Wesley calls it an "overall joy" to play "a new baby vampire" this season. But what's going to happen between Tara and Jessica after last week's tensions. 

4:44 p.m. Does Anna know the lyrics to "The Pina Colada Song"? "I kinda liked our rewrite of the lyrics," Paquin says.

4:44 p.m. I'm so sick of the word "bromance." But how have Stephen and Alex enjoyed being allies this season? "Yes," Alex says. "We've been struggling with that this whole season," Skarsgard says, noting that they've "had a little bit too much fun together." "I kinda felt, when we were working together, that there's something between them in the past that we haven't seen yet," Moyer teases. Skarsgard suggests that Eric is surprised with how much he's enjoying spending time with Bill. The moderator is eager to hear about how it was for the two actors to spend time in a trunk together. Moyer says, "We couldn't do it without laughing... but we did rehearse it all weekend." "It got a little Benny Hill," Alex says. Moyer and Skarsgard admit that they got emails from Ball having to meet with him and have their wrists slapped. "Who was the best cuddler?" asks the moderator. Yawn.

4:48 p.m. Now we're talking about Pam's wardrobe. I'm not interested in this, but Bauer van Straten says that it starts with the writing. She says her favorite outfit is the one she's wearing at any moment. Sam Trammell apparently has an obsession with a red one-piece from the second season. Everybody finds this weird. "I love that we literally just talked for five minutes about a sequin jump suit," the moderate says. I do not.

4:50 p.m. But now we're talking about Tara's wardrobe and whether Tara is exploring her more leather-y side. Wesley remembers her mother calling her on Monday to praise a bustier she wore. "It's been fun to dress up this year and have them thangs out," Wesley says.

4:51 p.m. Did Joe Manganiello give Rutina stripping advice? The crowd is very excited that the "Magic Mike" star might strip here and not. He does not. "I don't think they make my fireman suit in Rutina's size... But werewolf stripping, I like that idea," Manganiello says. Somehow this ends with Alan Ball standing on a chair and doing a body roll. "I love my job," Paquin laughs as Manganiello walks over and drops money on Ball.

4:53 p.m. Are we going to see Claude, Sookie's relative, stripping? Ball clarifies that on the show, it's more of a burlesque club. 

4:54 p.m. Are things over between Sam and Luna? We're not sure if Luna's daughter is a shifter or a wolf and Sam is trying to figure out how to fit into that family. Or something. 

4:55 p.m. How good are Deborah Ann Woll and Ryan Kwanten at "Rock Band"? It turns out that Ryan practiced the wrong version of "Cherry Bomb." "I practiced a lot for that, actually. the singing was the only thing we did live," Woll recalls. Are they having fun with the Jessica-Jason relationship? "I adore working with Ryan. I think he's the sweetest, most giving actor," Woll says. 

4:57 p.m. Ball suggests that Steve Newlin always had gay potential and that being a vampire just freed him.

4:57 p.m. How does "True Blood" compare to "SVU" for Meloni? "Trying to figure out what's a sex crime on this show is very different," Meloni says. "I'd never even heard as a were-panther," Meloni talks about his expanded horizons. Meloni recalls that he'd been told that one of the Guardians had betrayed him, but he wasn't told which one and he rooted for it to be the kid. The moderator wants to know if it was gross to stake the kid? "It's pretty much the one thing I wanted to do," referring to the staking, not the kid. He refers to it as very intricate and reassures him that "the kid doesn't actually expose." 5:00 p.m. Is Sookie completing her "badass" path this season? "Absolutely," Paquin agrees. "She always gets into some sort of action-y trouble," Paquin says, but she predicts that Sookie probably won't drink any more peach schnapps for a while.

5:01 p.m. Are we going to learn more about the Stackhouse parents? "Yes," Ball says. Will that be flashbacks or dreams? "Yes," Ball says again. We're going to learn more about the parents, what happened to them and the effects on Sookie and particularly Jason.

5:01 p.m. Who came up with the Fairy Club? They wanted to deal with refugee fairies and they decided they would be sensual. They decided to play off the strip club in the books. They wanted to make clear that these weren't Disney ferries. "We wanted to be more adult, more sensual more soft-core porno," Ball explains.

5:03 p.m. Will we get any good sex scenes this season? "Yes. I sexually eviscerate another character in one of the episodes coming up," Manganiello says. Ball promises both "sexy" sex scenes and "wacky what-the-f***" sex scenes.

5:04 p.m. Stephen Moyer directed an upcoming episode. "It was amazing. I got to see Joe naked," Moyer says. "It was a lot of fun and I was very pleased with what we ended up with," Moyer said. "He did an amazing job," Ball says. "All kidding aside, he was amazing," Paquin says. Paquin says that she wants to direct at some point, but she has no desire to direct "True Blood," because that sounds terrifying to her. She also recalls that Moyer directing made her "a widow for one month." Skarsgard is impressed Moyer was able to balance his acting responsibilities with the pressures of acting. "Being an actor himself, he really cares about the actors and the relationships," Skarsgard says. Bauer van Straten calls it "lovely" and says that she goes to Stephen for line readings anyway, even when he isn't directing. Moyer's episode is Episode 8, incidentally. 

5:08 p.m. What does Moyer's episode deal with? "I absolutely adore Sam Trammell. He is an amazing actor and he had one of the toughest jobs in my episode that you could possibly have," Moyer says, praising Sam highly for his understanding of what they needed to get. "It was a blast. It was really fun," Trammell says, adding his praise to the sea of superlatives for Moyer's preparation. Would Moyer do it again? "It's something that I've wanted to do for a long time," he says, noting that he begged Alan and Alan said "No" multiple times before giving in. Ball is making a face like he isn't remembering. Ball says that Stephen shadowed directors on two previous episodes before doing it himself and that he'd heard stories from the crew about how good Moyer was. "That's why we work so well, Stephen, because I always create problems and you solve them," Skarsgard says.

5:11 p.m. People want Alex to be in "50 Shades of Grey." "I haven't read the book. I haven't seen a script," he says. "He's just lived the life," Moyer says. 

5:14 p.m. Very sweet stuff with Kristen Bauer van Straten and Alexander Skarsgard talking about how much they've enjoyed working together this season and how emotional she got while filming the release scene. I have no quoted, because my battery died. All replaced now.

5:15 p.m. "I totally have gotten to recreate Tara, while keeping the essence of Tara at the same time," Wesley says, admitting that New Tara is "a little off." "Her life has been saved, whether she wants to admit it or not," Wesley says. This is not where she'd have predicted Tara would go four years ago. Alan Ball says that they'd already had the story of a young vampire with Jessica, but the goal was to tell the story again through somebody who really, really hates vampires.

5:17 p.m. How gross was the tanning stuff? Gross, but fun, Wesley says. "I thought it was fun to be rotting and give up vanity all together," Bauer van Straten says, recalling her own experience decomposing last season. "I liked that stuff. For three weeks," she concludes. It seems Anna Paquin gets freaked out by the burn makeup, because when Stephen had to do it in the first season, she wouldn't look at him. Kristen says she's kept her ear and her lip from the rotting last season.

5:20 p.m. We're finally opening things up to the audience. Are we going to get a were-tiger? "As of now, there are no plans for that," Ball says, before noting that he's stepping back after this season. I would have much rather heard more about THAT than about Tara's wardrobe. The moderator and I differ on that.

5:21 p.m. Would Meloni return to "SVU" for the finale whenever that happens? "I'm always willing to consider," Meloni says. "There's no bad blood there, so we'll see it as it comes. I don't know. It's still doing OK, I guess," adds Meloni, who doesn't look at ratings.

5:22 p.m. A fan gets Alex's placard and asks if any new romantic relationships are upcoming? Alex signs his card and also signs Chris' card and gives Chris a kiss on the cheek. "That's the new relationship," somebody says. "I can think of three that are going to happen. Three new romances this season. There's also a lot of people having sex, but those don't count as romances," Ball says.

5:25 p.m. What kind of music are they listening to? Woll salutes Martin Sexton. Meloni's listening to Tool. "I'm a big Tool... fan," Meloni says. Rutina likes Deathcab for Cutie. Kristen's listening to her husband. Stephen and Anna have been listening to the Eddie Vedder solo album. Ryan's listening to Angus and Julia Stone. Well... OK.

5:26 p.m. Ball says that there's a chance we're going to see the fairy war. Or a fairy war. Or something involving warring fairies. But he won't be involved.

5:26 p.m. A female fan asks the men to flex for the audience. Cameras rise around the room, including on the panel, where Meloni whips out his phone. "I'm sorry, we're legally not allowed to do that," Skarsgard says. "I won't go anywhere near taking anything off when Joe is part of our cast and, by the way, Ryan," Stephen says. Moyer asks for a handstand from Ryan, who blushes. The crowd begins to clap. Ryan comes to the front of the stage and, indeed, does a handstand and walks across the stage. "Holy s***," the young lady next to me says. 

5:29 p.m. Last question. She asks what has been the most memorable scene or episode. She also says that her mom wants her to take Joe home in a suitcase. "It'd better be a big suitcase," Joe says. Deborah says that Episode 10 of this season is memorable for her. Ryan remembers wearing his He-Man onesie. "It was a very emotional scene for me and Jason," Kwanten says. Joe liked the naked lake scene from last season. "The last scene of our last episode is going to blow people's minds," Paquin says, calling it "a very, very crazy scene." Alex mentions Godrick's death scene and people clap. Kristen mentions her scene of being released. "We work on a show where we get to do the most extraordinary things all the day," Moyer says. This Sunday's episode and the finale are the last Alan Ball episodes and Moyer ends the panel with a round of applause for Alan Ball. The cast stands for him and, eventually, much of the crowd does. He's very touched and gives Paquin a big hug.

5:32 p.m. I know I'm not one to talk, but that was a loooong panel for only 13 minutes of audience questions.

5:35 p.m. Ball, voice cracking, thanks everybody.

That's all, folks...

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<p>The stars (some of 'em) of &quot;The Vampire Diaries&quot;</p>

The stars (some of 'em) of "The Vampire Diaries"

Credit: The CW

Comic-Con 2012 Live-Blog: The CW's 'The Vampire Diaries'

What's next for Stefan, Damon and New Look Elena next season?

SAN DIEGO - Apologies for the midday silence, but the Comic-Con organizers, in their infinite wisdom, decided that duct-taping all power outlets in Ballroom 20 would somehow prevent forest fires. Or something. They also decided that the convenient water bottles keeping attendees from getting dehydrated were a bad idea. And they had volunteers going through the aisles in Ballroom 20 telling people to put away cell phones that weren't even turned on.


Comic-Con, kids.

Anyway... It's time for Comic-Con's Vampire Weekend, or else least a Vampire Afternoon.

Up first? The CW's "The Vampire Diaries"...

Get ready for the madness, after the break...

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<p>The Season 1 cast of &quot;Once Upon a Time&quot;</p>

The Season 1 cast of "Once Upon a Time"

Credit: ABC

Comic-Con 2012 Live-Blog: ABC's 'Once Upon a Time'

ABC's hit fairy tale drama jumps to Ballroom 20 for its second Comic-Con

SAN DIEGO - It's time to get Saturday's (July 14) Comic-Con live-blogging underway. Today, I've got "The Vampire Diaries" and "True Blood" from Ballroom 20, plus a few hours of FOX animation to pick and choose from.

But first, it's one of the few new breakout hits from last season, the fairy tale drama "Once Upon a Time." From the huge ensemble cast, we're scheduled to have Ginnifer Goodwin, Jennifer Morrison,  Lana Parrilla, Josh Dallas, Emilie de Ravin and Meghan Ory on the panel. That means no Robert Carlyle, no Former Bobby Draper and a few other absences. We'll also have series creators Edward Kitsis and Adam Horowitz, who I will endeavor to tell apart.

Click through for the full live-blog...

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<p>&quot;Breaking Bad&quot;</p>

"Breaking Bad"

Comic-Con 2012 Live-Blog: AMC's 'Breaking Bad'

Ahead of its premiere, the Emmy-winning drama takes Ballroom 20

SAN DIEGO - Why the heck is "Breaking Bad" at San Diego Comic-Con?

Because smart people attend San Diego Comic-Con and smart people love "Breaking Bad."

That was easy.

The Emmy-winning drama, two days ahead of its fifth season premiere, made its first-ever Comic-Con appearance on Friday (July 13) night. 

How was it received? Click through for the full live-blog...

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