Police: 12 dead, at least 50 injured in Colorado theater shooting
Midnight screening of 'The Dark Knight Rises' turns violent
Fourteen people were killed at a theater in Aurora, CO tonight at a midnight screening of 'The Dark Knight Rises'
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AURORA, Colo.— A gunman wearing a gas mask set off an unknown gas and fired into a crowded movie theater in suburban Denver at a midnight opening of the Batman movie "The Dark Knight Rises," killing 12 people and injuring at least 50 others, authorities said.
Moviegoers didn't know what was happening and some thought the attack was part of the show. Then they saw a silhouette of a person in the smoke at the front of the theater near the screen, pointing a gun at the crowd.
"I told my friend 'we've got to get out of here,' but then he shot people trying to go out the exits," Jennifer Seeger told NBC's "Today." She said the shooter made his way up the aisle, firing as he went, saying nothing.
Federal law enforcement officials identified the suspect as James Holmes, a 24-year-old American.
Holmes is in police custody, and the FBI says there is no indication that incident is tied to any terrorist groups.
The federal law enforcement officials spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation
Some of those injured are children, including a 3-month-old infant who was shot.
Police earlier said 14 people were dead, but later revised the number to at least 12. It was not immediately clear for the reason for the revision.
Witness Shayla Roeder said she saw a young teenage girl on the ground bleeding outside the theater.
"She just had this horrible look in her eyes .... We made eye contact and I could tell she was not all right," Roeder said.
Victims are being treated for chemical exposure apparently related to canisters thrown by the gunman. The shooter was arrested shortly after the attack at 12:30 a.m. MDT at the multiplex theater at a mall in Aurora.
It was the worst mass shooting in Colorado since the Columbine High School massacre on April 20, 1999. Students Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, opened fire at the school in the Denver suburb of Littleton, about 15 miles west of Aurora, killing 12 classmates and a teacher and wounding 26 others before killing themselves in the school's library.
Aurora police spokesman Frank Fania on ABC's "Good Morning America" said he didn't know yet if all the injuries were gunshot wounds. He said some might have been caused by other things such as shrapnel.
Police, ambulances and emergency crews swarmed on the scene after frantic calls started flooding the 911 switchboard, officials said.
Officers came running in and telling people to leave the theater, Salina Jordan told the Denver Post. She said some police were carrying and dragging bodies.
Officers later found the gunman near a car behind the theater.
"A gas mask, rifle, handgun at least one additional weapon (were) found inside," he said.
The suspect was taken into custody, but no name was released. Oates said there's no evidence of any other attackers. There was also no immediate word of any motive.
The suspect spoke of "possible explosives in his residence. We are dealing with that potential threat," Oates said.
A large truck lettered "bomb squad" arrived near an Aurora apartment complex where the suspect is believed to have lived, about four miles from the theater. Dozens of police squad cars, vans and other vehicles were already at the scene, along with black-clad officers carrying automatic weapons.
Police evacuated residents of the building. Oates did not say whether any explosives had been found.
He said police also checked for explosives in the parking lot and at the Century 16 theater and secured those areas.
President Barack Obama said he was saddened by the "horrific and tragic shooting," pledging that his administration was "committed to bringing whoever was responsible to justice, ensuring the safety of our people, and caring for those who have been wounded."
Moviegoers spoke of their terror as violence erupted and people around them fell victim.
Benjamin Fernandez, 30, told the Post that he heard a series of explosions. He said that people ran from the theater and there were gunshots as police shouted "get down!"
Fernandez said he saw people falling, including one young girl.
Jordan told the paper that one girl was struck in cheek, others in stomach including a girl who looked to be around 9-years-old.
Jordan said it sounded like firecrackers until someone ran into Theater 8 yelling "they're shooting out here!"
Hayden Miller told KUSA-TV that he heard several shots.
"Like little explosions going on and shortly after that we heard people screaming," he told the station.
Hayden said at first he thought it was part of a louder movie next door. But then he saw "people hunched over leaving theater."
The police chief said 10 victims died at the theater and four at area hospitals.
At least 24 people were being treated at Denver area hospitals.
KUSA reported that some hospitalized victims were being treated for chemical exposure, related apparently to canister thrown by gunman.
Eleven people were being treated at the Medical Center of Aurora for gunshots and ranged from minor to critical condition. Two others walked in to be treated for tear gas contamination.
Denver Health had seven victims—one in critical and the rest in fair condition.
The youngest victim reported was a 6-year-old being treated at Children's Hospital Colorado, where a total of six victims were taken. Their condition wasn't known.
Two people in critical condition were rushed to nearby Swedish Medical Center, spokeswoman Nicole Williams said.
Aurora is on Denver's east side and is Colorado's third-largest city with 327,000 residents. It is home to a large Defense Department satellite intelligence operation at Buckley Air Force Base, as well as The Children's Hospital, the University of Colorado Hospital and a future Veterans Affairs hospital.
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July 20, 2012 at 6:38AM EST Reply to CommentWhen will these horrible incidents at scholls, malls, and now in a cinema, stop. When will the politics take notice and change the law on carrying and owning firearms? My thoughts are with the casualites and their families.
siratsnah meant to say schools. Sorry.
July 20, 2012 at 6:39AM ESTJonp Siatsnah, this is a very disturbing story but I guarantee the gun owners did not have them legally. People who own firearms are not the ones going out and killing people in malls, schools, etc. it's the people that are getting them illegally and even if they ban carrying guns those same people will be getting them. I am not a gun owner myself but all these shootings are people having guns not registered and bought god knows how. This story is very sad and makes me feel uncomfortable even going to the movies.
July 20, 2012 at 6:54AM ESTpridewar12 I agree with JONP. This guy is an absolute psycho maniac, who I can say with 99% certainty, had an unregistered firearm that was more than likely obtained illegally. A heinous act of violence culminating in 14 people being expelled from this world before their time. And for what reason? He had no idea who any of these people were. And let's not forget about the 50 injured who probably narrowly escaped with their lives. My thoughts go out to all involved, and I hope the shooter gets what he deserves.
July 20, 2012 at 7:19AM ESTDefRef I was wondering how long it would take for the usual whining that comes after these tragedies about how we need to disarm law-abiding citizens to start. Instantly, it appears. It reminds me of 9/11 when within minutes of the towers falling I saw people screaming that this was because of the - and I'm not making this up - "the coup d'état by the Supreme Court that put Bush in." We had no effing idea what had happened and initial reports indicated perhaps tens of thousands had died and to some people their first instinct was to hop on their soapbox and jerk off their political agendas. Same happened with the Tuscon shooting and the liberal media's stampede to blame the TEA Party and Sarah Palin for the act of a anarchist madman.
July 20, 2012 at 8:35AM ESTWhen someone gets drunk and plows into another car, killing a family, you never hear calls to outlaw booze and automobiles. If this maniac walked through the lobby with a machete, hacking at the crowd, no one would be demanding "machete control" or waiting periods for bladed objects. But the moment a gun is involved, the reactionary fear and loathing of inanimate objects kicks into overdrive.
By immediately howling about the guns, you are giving the KILLER a free pass for HIS ACTIONS. The implements of his death-dealing are irrelevant unless you're seeking political advantage. He could've made pipe bombs or chlorine gas canisters; you can MacGyver some lethal items from stuff under the sink. The problem was this psycho, not guns.
KlarkKent Well said, PW. It's not the fault of movies, music or guns. Irregardless of how he got the weapon, the reason he used it at DKR is because that's where the people were, which is the number one rule of a terrorist attack. A terrorist is all this heinous excuse for a human being is and he should be treated as such.
July 20, 2012 at 10:13AM ESTSteve "But the moment a gun is involved, the reactionary fear and loathing of inanimate objects kicks into overdrive."
July 20, 2012 at 10:47AM ESTAs predictable is the conservative trolling and NRA Lobbyists who want us to believe that there is nothing wrong with guns or the disproportionate obsession with guns that pervades American culture. This is not an easy problem to diagnose and there are no easy answers or sound bites that can make sense of a tragedy like this. However, we cannot continue to ignore that SOMETHING is wrong in this country. I think it goes deeper than inadequate legislation or politics. There is an unhealthy obsession with guns and gun fetish in America that does not exist in other industrialized nations. These sorts of incidents do not occur in other countries similar to the U.S. and it is irresponsible for us to resort to predictable squabbling over gun laws rather than recognize that something at the root of American culture is rotting from the inside out.
Steve Clarification: These sorts of incidents do not occur WITH SUCH FREQUENCY in other countries similar to the U.S
July 20, 2012 at 10:58AM ESTDefRef Guns BAD! American BAD! Got it. Thanks for checking.
July 20, 2012 at 10:58AM ESTDave I Steve, I think you are ignoring the fact that these people who go out and shoot strangers are not healthy individuals representative of the general American public. I am not sure you can blame this, or Columbine, or VA Tech, or anything of the other gun-related tragedies in the history of the U.S.A., on cultural rotting. I also question the assertion these things happen in the U.S. with "SUCH FREQUENCY." In some areas, sure. However all sorts of terrible things happen worldwide. In this case, it is entirely possible that some of these tragedies could have been stopped, possibly prevented outright, if there had been licensed and trained citizens carrying guns. Even the threat of lawful citizens carrying should be a crime deterrent. I think guns are a tool, and I doubt legislation will effect criminals who try to get them anyway.
July 20, 2012 at 11:44AM ESTHowever, I DO agree that we should look at the root causes of these things rather than get stuck in political banter. Face it, most people that have guns never do this. Let's look at the root causes rather than try to legislate our way out of this.
-Cheers
Bucky Bantam DEFREF makes some good points, but at the end of the day if a psycho picks up a machette or gets behind the wheel of a car, it's likely that he would be unable to kill 14 and seriously injure 50.
July 20, 2012 at 12:28PM ESTI get that guns don't kill people – people kill people – but having easier access to such an efficient type of weapon certainly makes it easier for them...
Dave I @Bucky, I am just arguing for a look at the source of these attacks, plus not simply taking these weapons away from lawful owners, millions of whom never actually do anything harmful with them other than hunt or poke holes in paper. Not to mention that these laws are generally better at keeping guns away from people who obey the laws than those who don't.
July 20, 2012 at 12:40PM ESTRegardless, it is a sad and senseless tragedy. It is kind of a shame that this instantly, from literally the very first comment, went into a gun-control/gun-rights debate.
-Cheers
DefRef In 1994, 800,000 Rwandans were slaughtered in a tribal genocide carrying out mostly with clubs and machetes. (Source: http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/genocide/rwanda.htm)
July 20, 2012 at 12:48PM ESTThe armed and murderous will always have the advantage over the unarmed. Yes, having guns makes it easier for the bad guys, but in all of these mass murder situations, a properly armed and trained citizen could greatly mitigate the carnage.
There have been numerous instances where school shootings were halted when someone ran to the car and got their gun and confronted the shooter. These are the inconvenient truths that frightened, ignorant, liberal (but I repeat myself) gunophobes refuse to understand. Every state that switches to shall-issue CCW permitting is prophesied to be "the Wild West where every fender bender or bar fight turns into a shooting gallery" and over and over and over it never comes to pass.
The tragedy today is the loss of life of those only seeking a trip to the movies. The tragedy tomorrow would be for their deaths to be used as a pretense to enact the fear and loathing of irrational liberal tyrants.
John
July 20, 2012 at 7:03AM EST Reply to CommentThis is just terrible. Thoughts and prayers are with the families of those killed
Dave I This is terribly sad. It seems sad because it's senseless, like these usually are, and these were just people looking to escape from reality for a few hours through art. Even a three month old child was hit. Very tragic and senseless.
July 20, 2012 at 12:17PM ESTSpence
July 20, 2012 at 7:37AM EST Reply to CommentWouldn't changing the law about firearms put less firearms out into the world, thus making it harder to obtain an illegal one?
I'm not an expert on any of this stuff, but looking at other countries it would seem to mean less firearms = less violence.
It's a shame that something like this happened surrounding a film so many people were excited about. The people that died there were fans just like us. My thoughts go out to all the families.
DefRef Washington D.C. pretty much bans all firearms yet is one of the top cities in America for murders. Norway has very strict gun laws and last year a lunatic murdered 93 people, helped by the fact that sane, law-abiding people had no way to stop him with their own weapons.
July 20, 2012 at 8:46AM ESTContrast that to countries like Israel where people in the IDF carry assault rifles with them at all times where you're more likely to be killed by a suicide bomber or Palestinian rocket than a random gunman.
The paranoid, fearful, ignorant, Michael Moore view of America and guns collapses when you realize that there are about 9 guns for every 10 people and we somehow manage to NOT have people conducting massacres on a daily basis. The reason tragedies like this shock us is precisely because THEY DON'T HAPPEN THAT MUCH! It's been five years since the Virgina Tech massacre where a crazed man was able to prey on sheep disarmed by the fearful university overlords. Whenever these incidents occur, you always hear about how "if only I'd been able to carry my gun, I could've done something."
I was watching Batman Begins last night and they talk about using the power of fear. Why your first reaction to horrible news is to cower and whine, "Take them! Take the bad things away and we'll be safe!" then fear has won over reason and reality.
And that's the real tragedy of these tragedies.
mmcb105 defref - Your argument seems logical, but you also aren't taking into account the fact that there are many countries with stricter gun control laws that also have much lower instances of violent/gun crime than America (Canada, Great Britain). When people talk about gun violence they aren't merely talking about freak incidents where large amounts of people are killed.
July 20, 2012 at 9:53AM ESTI'm not saying that more gun control is the answer, only that your argument is just as reductionist as that of the people who have a knee-jerk "take the bad things away" reaction after tragedies such as these.
Honestly, I think that the US gun culture is so completely different than other countries', that we require a different approach in order to control the violence. Obviously our current tactics don't work very well if you look at the instances of gun violence here compared to other countries. However, figuring out what that different approach is, is for people much smarter than me.
fettastic I don't want to get into a whole pro-gun/anti-gun thing, but imagine if a dark theater was full of armed people and someone started shooting. Everyone would start shooting everyone else and the killer would definitely get away.
July 20, 2012 at 10:06AM ESTDefRef mmcb105 - Saying that countries with fewer guns have fewer gun crimes is a fallacy. We hear, "You are X times more likely to be shot in a home with a gun than without one." We are also more likely to be victims of bludgeoning with a marble rolling pin in homes with marble rolling pins than without marble rolling pins. Funny how marble rolling pin deaths are more prevalent in those homes, huh?
July 20, 2012 at 10:48AM ESTIt is an indisputable fact that more people are injured and killed by cars than guns, but no one would dream of outlawing cars. As others here are already doing, people are seeking to blame inanimate objects or political enemies for the actions of this crazy. It's pathetic how quickly people wish to exploit fear and tragedy to impose their anti-freedom agendas.
Dave I Fettastic, I doubt that. You are stating a possibility as a fact. That is just like if I said, imagine a dark theater full of armed people and somebody starts shooting, then a responsible legally-armed citizen with a concealed gun aims at the person who has the gun, sees the flash, knows it's the gunman, and shoots him before he can turn it into a mass murdering spree. If I had to guess, most would freak out and duck or run. But that is just a guess. If you're lucky enough to have a person with a gun that has any clue what to do with it, they could make a shot at the gun that had the gun (maybe seeing him based on the muzzle flash or light reflecting off the screen). If they DID shoot, they would probably be able to see the flash of the gunman and most definitely hear it. Anybody with a concealed carry license would have to take a class and while not mandated you are heavily encouraged to practice. Plus, the killer in this situation did not get away even without people shooting at him. I fail to see how licensed concealed weapon carriers are inherently likely to immediately going shoot around at whatever without knowing what they are shooting at. The very thing they teach/train against in any firearms class.
July 20, 2012 at 11:58AM EST-Cheers
Dave I You have to admit, Defref has a point. I think legislation is at least to an extent treating the symptoms and not the problem.
July 20, 2012 at 12:18PM ESTmmcb105 @defref - You can't really say that a statistical fact is a fallacy (http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html). You could maybe say that the relationship between lower gun crime rates and stricter gun laws in some countries is a case of correlation and not causality. With that you might be correct.
July 20, 2012 at 1:46PM ESTAlso, your analogy of guns to cars is a little wrongheaded as well, since unlike guns, cars have a main function that isn't destruction. Sure, they can serve a useful purpose aside from destroying things. For example, guns can be used in defense or for hunting, but those are still extensions of its original function.
I get that you are pro-gun, and pro-gun rights. That’s fine really. I don’t have anything against people who want to keep their guns. However, there must be some acknowledgement that there is a problem in the United States with gun violence that is greater than that in other places. How else can we explain having a gun homicide rate that is many times higher than other countries that are in similar economic positions? There obviously needs to be a solution for this problem that is different than what is currently being enforced. I’m sure that answer isn’t as simple as making stricter gun laws, just as it can’t possibly be leaving everything exactly the way it is.
Disagreements aside, I do appreciate that we are able to have this discussion in such a civil manner given the controversial nature of both the subject and the incident that sparked this discussion. Sincerely, thanks for that.
mmcb105 @Dave I- I actually agree, but the first step is admitting there is actually a need for a different approach rather than sticking with the status quo.
July 20, 2012 at 1:48PM ESTfettastic The state with the loosest gun laws is Texas. It also has one of the highest gun deaths per year. Shouldn't that be the exact opposite?
July 20, 2012 at 4:59PM ESTDave I @Fettastic, Texas also has a much different mindset on a lot of things. Plus, I could argue that Washington has some of the tightest gun control laws yet a disproportionate amount of gun crime. It still does not really encapsulate the whole issue, does it?
July 20, 2012 at 6:18PM ESTDave I @MMCB105, I think honestly what we need is to look at how we polarize issues, how we can or should educate and teach the responsibility. Not just of guns, but everything we try to mandate with legislation. Yes, I own and like shooting guns, however I'm not arguing against gun control because I want to be able to target practice with a semi-auto rifle or handgun. I AM arguing against it because it does not really solve the underlying problem and it's basically stripping rights from the citizens who did nothing wrong.
July 20, 2012 at 6:24PM ESTI would say that yes, a different approach needs to be taken. Of course, you could say that about the government's stance on drugs and alcohol, education reform, and a lot of other things. I am not sure we are ready for meaningful change from the roots level, although I believe to some extent that is what we need. What I DO think is that any immediate impulse reaction will be ban guns, legislate it, and NOT something that will actually make the changes we need, nor maintain our rights to do, well, ANYTHING we want to legally do. I think the discussion should take place though and not that we should just take our sides and hold our ground.
-Cheers
fettastic
July 20, 2012 at 9:56AM EST Reply to CommentRUSH LIMBAUGH IS PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS! His fat ass should be pried out of his liberal-proof bunker and thrown in jail immediately for inciting violence!
DefRef Spoken like a true liberal reactionary. The actual killer isn't responsible; someone whom you hate is. Why not blame Uwe Boll and Nickleback while you're at it?
July 20, 2012 at 10:40AM ESTfettastic Because Uwe Boll and Nichleback didn't publicly say this film is a liberal attack on conservatism? So do you think people are going to be MORE likely or LESS likely to see this film in theaters now? So if Rush really thinks this movie is an attack on conservatism, does that HELP or HURT his goal of fewer people seeing it? Now try to apply the same logic to your suggestion.
July 20, 2012 at 10:54AM ESTSteve DEREF, forgive me but conservatives do an awful lot of blaming of the wrong people as well when it comes to problems without easy solutions. Blame the poor, blame moral decay on gays, blame the government for unemployment. Conservatives don't have a high horse to sit on when it comes to blaming the wrong person for an injustice.
July 20, 2012 at 10:54AM ESTDefRef No, liberals cherry pick selected stupid comments and use them to demonize everyone who isn't liberal. The "Westboro Baptist Church" (quoted because they aren't Baptists or a real church) assholes are used as a cudgel against ALL Christians, etc.
July 20, 2012 at 11:07AM ESTIf you actually looked up what the overwhelming majority of conservatives are actually saying - as opposed to what Aaron Sorkin hallucinates them believing - you'd see that comments are all concern and prayers for those harmed. We know we know nothing about what motivated this murderer while liberals are automatically scapegoating Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, the TEA Party, guns, the NRA, American culture, etc.
Liberals are so incapable of empathy they can't understand why anyone finds the immediate attempts to make political hay, not letting a crisis go to waste, so offensive.
Bottom Line: Conservatives want this killer tried, judged, and executed if guilty. Liberals want to outlaw guns, silence non-liberal thought, and engage in the bizarre arrogant self-loathing that always comes with tragedy*; anything but hold the perp responsible.
* The reaction from liberals after 9/11 was, "Why do they hate us? What did we do to make them mad? It's our fault! Waaaaaaaaaah!!!" Liberals are immature children who imagine bogus bogeymen rather than deal with the real monsters in our world.
fettastic Well you have a 24 hour news network demonizing anyone who isn't conservative. They call us all un-American socialists who are trying to take their guns away and force them into some sort of indentured servitude. Then one of them points the finger at The Dark Knight Rises and says it's a liberal plot against conservatism. If you're looking for someone to blame for this elevation in nastiness, you don't have to look too far. It started with the mobs that were paid and bussed to town hall meetings to erupt them into riots, including violent confrontations, then Gabby Giffords got shot in the head shortly after conservatives like sarah Palin had her name with a crosshairs on her website and Michelle Bachman said we needed a "second ammendment solution" to all the liberals. But keep on believing it's all in our head. *eyeroll*
July 20, 2012 at 11:29AM ESTpridewar12 Reply to comment...I'm pretty sure the fault lies with the freakin gunman. Not the gun, not the laws, not any politicians, or political party. This dude had the mindset of, "I'm gonna go into this theatre full of people, toss out this gas and just start dumping." I guarantee he wasn't thinking "I'm doing this because of this guy or because I want Americans to realize they nees stricter gun laws." This guy had one thing on his mind, murder. Period. And the person who said "American bad" ur an idiot. Not all Americans are murderers, and how do u know the shooter was American? Could have been some weirdo foreigner. They haven't said anything about him yet.
July 20, 2012 at 11:32AM ESTfettastic I am CERTAINLY not arguing that this guy isn't a freakin' psychopath, but I AM saying that people of influence need to watch what they say and stop whipping people into a frenzy because SOME of the people you are revving up are not stable. Just a few short years ago that was common knowledge. Now saying the President of the United States is an illegal foreigner is REGULARLY stated on one particular news channel and all it's surrogate talk radio shows. And they do it in STARK CONTRAST TO THE FACTS! Yet the drooling mouth-breathers who listen to that garbage believe it anyway. THIS is the problem folks!
July 20, 2012 at 11:40AM ESTDave I @Fettastic, that is too convenient because it takes away personal responsibility and places it on some political figurehead who made some comment on a radio show. I am not a fan of Rush, however what you are proposing is practically an attack on freedom of speech since, you know, a psychopath could take comments on a movie as a greenlight to blow a theatre full of people away with an AK. Again, I am very much at odds against Rush's political views, yet I am reasonably sure that A) that's not what he was getting at, and B) that if you go out and murder a bunch of people it's on you. If some radio program or Black Sabbath album somehow inspires you to do so, it's still on you. Not on Ozzy or Rush Limbaugh or whomever.
July 20, 2012 at 11:50AM EST-Cheers
fettastic Unfortunately there are millions of pointy-headed morons in this country that believe the president was born in Nigeria. They didn't come to that conclusion all on their lonesome. They also believe there is an attempt to take over and subjugate the country by Marxists. Again, they didn't arrive at that themselves. They have been TOLD THAT repeatedly....on a NEWS CHANNEL! Kinda hard to blame them for believing it.
July 20, 2012 at 12:04PM ESTSo if you believed that one particular event was actually responsible for destroying America, and you thought you had a chance to completely change that course....and you were a raving nutbag.....what would you do?
Some semblance of responsibility needs to be taken here. Rush has asctually said in the past that he was "worried" that "activist" Judges could be in physical danger for some ruling they made. Sounds like a veiled threat. Oftentimes these cooks even release home addresses!
What's it going to take for us to say "ENOUGH!"?
Dave I Actually, no, it isn't hard to blame them for believing that. Personal accountability comes into place for buying everything "a certain news channel" sells you, or ANYTHING! Blaming it on Rush, Fox News, John Lennon, Marilyn Manson, or the Easter Bunny is not really going to solve anything, particularly for something they did not actually tell anybody to do. Except the Easter Bunny, I'm not sure what he's telling anybody to do these days.
July 20, 2012 at 12:11PM ESTAlso, I am not for writing legislation based on the small percentage of raving nutbags out there. Find ways to make things safer? Let's hear it. Knee-jerk legislation or making some ultra right-wing conservative news radio host out to be the scapegoat? I'll pass.
What's it going to take for us to say enough? Enough to what? Toward what means or what action? This is tragic and sad and angering. However, I am not jumping to irrational conclusions based on one mentally unsound militant with no actual ties that we know of to Rush Limbaugh or anybody else.
-Cheers
Rev. Slappy
July 20, 2012 at 12:24PM EST Reply to CommentWow, it's like an Ain't It Cool political talkback in here. One of the things I like about this site is the comments tend to be non-political and a hell of a lot smarter.
Dave I Agreed. That is why I literally stopped going to that site years ago, at all, period.
July 20, 2012 at 12:41PM EST-Cheers
Bucky Bantam
July 20, 2012 at 1:12PM EST Reply to CommentYou know DEF, it's much nicer to debate a topic with someone without them getting rowdy and resorting to name-calling and stereotyping.
Personally, I'm in the Chris Rock school of politics: some things I'm liberal about, some things I'm conservative about. And usually the solution is to listen to both sides' hopes and fears and come to some kind of compromise that everyone can live with.
And this discussion needs to happen, because no one should accept this appalling tragedy as an unfortunate but ultimately unavoidable by-product of the right to bear arms.