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'Hobbit' director Peter Jackson on 48 frames: you're 'gonna have to get used to' it

Filmmaker addresses controversy, gets backup from Ian McKellen at Comic-Con presser

'Hobbit' director Peter Jackson on 48 frames: you're 'gonna have to get used to' it
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SAN DIEGO - When it comes to publicly screening "Hobbit" footage at 48 frames per second, Peter Jackson has learned his lesson.

"Hall H is not the place to do it. ...Literally, I've seen a lot of 48 frames over the past year and a half, and it's fantastic. It's an incredible thing. But I didn't want to repeat the CinemaCon experience," said the director at the Comic-Con press conference for his upcoming two-part Tolkien adaptation, which was heavily criticized after footage shot in the accelerated frame rate debuted at the Las Vegas exhibitors' festival back in April.

"Where literally people see this reel and all they write about is 48 frames a second," he continued. "I mean, why? That doesn't do us any good. It doesn't do 48 frames a second any good. To accurately judge that, you really need to sit down and watch the entire film. And that opportunity is gonna be there in December. I wanted the focus [at Comic-Con] to just be on...the characters, the performances...not the technical stuff."

Nevertheless, the "technical stuff" took up a pretty good chunk of the 25-minute press-only Q&A, which was also attended by Martin Freeman (Bilbo Baggins), Ian McKellen (Gandalf), Andy Serkis (Golem), Richard Armitage (Thorin Oakenshield) and screenwriter Philippa Boyens. Whether Jackson likes it or not, the focus on 48 frames isn't going away anytime soon, and he'll have to continue justifying its use to a rabid press who tend to foam at the mouth whenever an industry giant such as he starts looking a little wobbly on their feet.

"48 frames a second really takes away the artifacts that we're used to seeing in cinema, and I think that's what people are gonna have to get used to," he said later, responding to a question about how the viewing experience of the audience will be transformed for the better. "And as I say, I find you get used to it pretty quickly when you sit and watch it. We're used to seeing strobing, we're used to seeing a panning shot, which is like a series of still frames that kind of shutters its way along. And you don't get that at 48 frames.

"And yet," he went on, "it doesn't impede our ability to color-time the film, to put a really creative grade on the movie. Everything is the same as it normally is...and the fact that you don't have so much motion blur also makes it feel quite sharp as well. So you get something that to me is much more akin to shooting on 65mm [the widescreen format also known as 70mm that, as Jackson pointed out, has been utilized to brilliant effect by such master directors as David Lean and Stanley Kubrick]."

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In a sense, by filming "The Hobbit" not only in 48 frames/second but 3-D as well (the movies will also be screened in IMAX and IMAX 3-D), it's almost as if Jackson is making up (overcompensating?) for being denied the opportunity to make his trio of "Lord of the Rings" films to the visual specifications he'd originally envisioned.

"Back in about 1998 when we first started working on 'Lord of the Rings,' I seriously for awhile tried to convince the studio to shoot in 65mm, cause I really thought that 'The Lord of the Rings' should've been shot in that format," said Jackson. "But at the time, the cameras were huge, cumbersome, they were difficult. The negative that we would shoot would have to be sent away to America to be processed, so we couldn't even see any of the rushes [a.k.a. dailies] from New Zealand that [would] have to be shipped into America and back again, so the whole thing really wasn't actually possible. So for me, this is now...I finally get to shoot my sort of 65mm quality film."

Not to mention, it's all about the children. Right, Sir Ian McKellen?

"It's astonishing to think, isn't it, that most people at the presentation [in Hall H] just now have never seen 'Lord of the Rings' in the cinema," the actor chimed in. "I mean, we've all got eight, nine, ten year olds who watch 'Lord of the Rings' non-stop, or they watch it at home and screen [it in] that size. ...I think people who...say 'Oh, we don't need 3-D, we're used to 2-D'...bollocks! I mean, 3-D is life! We're in 3-D now! And the brilliance about Peter's 3-D is that it doesn't come out at you, you go into it. That's the effect. You enter Middle Earth. You look round the corner! You're even deeper in, and can you find a way out? That's the effect of 3-D. And those little kids are gonna be so thrilled!"

Or terrified, judging by that description. But anyhow.

"48 frames a second is way better for 3-D, I'll tell you now," said Jackson a moment later. "Because you know, one of the things with 3-D is it does accentuate that strobing, because you're getting it in two eyes, you're getting two cameras that are filming, and so once you go to 48, it's much, much smoother. There's no eye strain, there's no headaches."

So where does this constant striving for more and bigger and better and faster and clearer movies end, anyway? Answer: it doesn't.

"I mean, the thing that we have to get now are the laser projectors, which are on the horizon, probably next year, where the light levels of 3-D will be radically increased, you know, two or three times the light levels that exist now," Jackson continued. "And at that point, I think cinema exhibition will be at a place where it'll be great, it'll be fantastic."

Next up: transporting the audience inside the movie for real.

"The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" is hitting theaters on December 14, 2012. "The Hobbit: There and Back Again" (which may or may not be split into two parts) is currently scheduled to follow on December 13, 2013.

What do you think of Jackson shooting "The Hobbit" in 48 frames/second? Sound off in the comments!

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    Bryant Burnette

    " "48 frames a second really takes away the art effects that we're used to seeing in cinema, and I think that's what people are gonna have to get used to," he said later, responding to a question about how the viewing experience of the audience will be transformed for the better."

    Chris, methinks that should read "artifacts" rather than "art effects." That Kiwi accent strikes again...

    July 16, 2012 at 11:25PM EST Reply to Comment
    • L_d468c1afbce54b87b997e5c8e7449bca_talkback_profile

      Infinite_Regress I think it's actually meant to be 'artifice', no?

      July 17, 2012 at 1:36AM EST
    • Gutter_queer_profile_photo_talkback_profile

      ceggertsen Right, thanks! Fixed.

      July 17, 2012 at 1:44AM EST
    • Gutter_queer_profile_photo_talkback_profile

      ceggertsen In context of the sentence (and also after listening to the audio again) I'm thinking it's probably "artifacts." But thanks for the input!

      July 17, 2012 at 1:45AM EST
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    Bill

    I'm not sure I fully understand the issue. What is the normal frame rate for movies nowadays and what difference will 48 frames a second make that people are so worried about?

    July 17, 2012 at 6:59AM EST Reply to Comment
    • Its 24. As the article said, reduced motion blur for one. Ive also read that it can make sets look like obvious set pieces, so in the long run maybe better productiin values

      July 17, 2012 at 9:59AM EST
    • 500full_talkback_profile

      velocityknown 24 is the norm and yes, 48fps does make things look clearer. But with a film like The Hobbit, people are concerned it will look so clear that everything all of the set details will look incredibly fake. I believe someone compared it to a 1970s BBC made for tv movie.

      I don't like that Jackson is forcing this on us and basically saying it's for our own good. People have shot 24fps for years and not because they love the number 24, because it works best. You know how easy it is to adjust the frame rate? You literally just change the setting on a camera and it's done. This is not a revolutionary change and I don't like Jackson selling it as one.

      I also don't think this will lead to better production values, however. At least not for most films. Anyone would rather just shoot at 24fps than spend the extra money on set design.

      July 17, 2012 at 10:46AM EST
    • Raylan_-_copy_talkback_profile

      Jonnybon 48fps is way better than 24fps. I don't understand the argument against it. It's WAY BETTER.

      July 17, 2012 at 11:41AM EST
    • 500full_talkback_profile

      velocityknown Nobody is arguing that the picture quality isn't better, the argument is that it's TOO precise and makes everything look as fake as it actually is.

      July 17, 2012 at 11:49AM EST
    • Raylan_-_copy_talkback_profile

      Jonnybon But that's a bullshit argument.

      July 17, 2012 at 3:15PM EST
    • 500full_talkback_profile

      velocityknown And saying "It's WAY BETTER" and "That's a bullshit argument" are awesome arguments for it?

      July 17, 2012 at 11:13PM EST
    • Raylan_-_copy_talkback_profile

      Jonnybon Yes.

      July 18, 2012 at 6:17AM EST
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    ehaislar

    It makes film look un film like. It's the best way I can describe it. There is a magical quality when looking at something projected at 24 frames per second. You loose that at 48. Some films could benefit from this. Say the bourne movies at 48FPS. I am not against it, but some things should be left at 24.

    July 17, 2012 at 1:12PM EST Reply to Comment
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      /3rt Since films are no longer shot on film the non-film-like appearance shouldn't be a kiss of death but the new normal.

      July 17, 2012 at 2:07PM EST
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      Eyes It is already normal for TV - in the 1970s and 1980s. Not film.

      July 17, 2012 at 3:46PM EST
    • Gutter_queer_profile_photo_talkback_profile

      ceggertsen Totally agree. Don't understand the 48 frames/second hype...I want my movies to look like MOVIES, not like real life.

      July 17, 2012 at 11:52PM EST
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    Eyes

    Peter Jackson is saying that we can't judge what 48fps looks like unless you see the whole thing? That's absolutely false - you don't need 150 minutes (or however long his movie will be) to get a sense of motion at 48fps. Frankly, you only need a fraction of a second if you know what you're looking for. Does he really think those remarks won't get called out? Not good, Mr. Jackson.

    July 17, 2012 at 3:54PM EST Reply to Comment
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    dustin hiser

    Laser projection?

    Bitchin'.

    July 17, 2012 at 6:10PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Daggor

    Hey, Pete. get used to me not paying to see something that looks like it's in my backyard. We know how it looks. When we see behind-the-scenes video of Dark Knight Rises being filmed, it looks like CNN footage of just any city, anywhere. When the film is shown to us, it looks great. I don't want a picture of me to look like I do when I walk into a public restroom. I want a "good" picture of me - something that flatters my ordinary looks.

    July 17, 2012 at 8:17PM EST Reply to Comment
    • Gutter_queer_profile_photo_talkback_profile

      ceggertsen YES. :)

      July 17, 2012 at 11:53PM EST

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