Zack Snyder confirms 'Man Of Steel' as one step towards 'Justice League'
Now let's hope it's going to be Warner's best foot forward
I love the single tease we've had so far of this new Superman in action, but there are huge expectations pinned to the performance of 'Man Of Steel'
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If I had to pick one movie in 2013 that I hope works, it would be Zack Snyder's "Man Of Steel."
I think it is beyond comprehension that Warner has taken this long to get Superman back on track. He is not just DC's single most important and iconic superhero character, he is also the single most iconic superhero owned by anyone. Superman is, for many people, the definition of what a superhero is in pop culture, known pretty much everywhere. And while almost everyone has some idea of what Superman is, it seems like it has been insanely difficult for the studio to figure out exactly which version of the character they want to see onscreen.
There has been a ton of speculation about how Warner Bros would start to build their way towards "Justice League," and most of the scrutiny is now focused on whether or not we'll see our first steps towards that with "Man Of Steel" next summer. One of the questions involved has to do with tone. You look at how Marvel handled their build-up to "The Avengers," and the most important thing they did was set a certain tone that meant you would be able to accept it when Tony Stark and Bruce Banner and Thor and Steve Rogers all ended up in a frame together, no matter how different their individual stories.
The last few years, Warner's one unqualified success in the DC realm has been Christopher Nolan's Batman films, and when we got our first glimpse of "Man Of Steel" this past summer, it felt very much like we were seeing a similar tone with Henry Cavill offering up a very different Superman than we've seen before. There's little chance they'll be trying to mimic what they did with "Green Lantern" based on the general reaction to that film, so "Man Of Steel" is really where this begins. And now, according to Snyder, we are sure that it will tie into the larger world of DC movies.
I'm not sure what other films they'll even have a chance to make between now and "Justice League," since Warner hasn't announced their plans. With Marvel, it's apparent what we're going to end up seeing between now and the return of the Avengers in 2015 because they've made those announcements, and most of those films are in some stage of production already. WIth Warner, it's like the entire corporation is holding its breath, waiting to see what fans think of the new movie before making their final decisions about how to take the next step. They know they can't just keep making a new origin film every few years, and that these may be their last chance to reboot Superman for a while. If this fails, it's a safe bet they're going to have to take a big step back and assess what their plans are.
All I know is that I asked Snyder the one question that is most important to me about a new Superman film back when he first was announced for the job. "Please tell me you're going to give him someone he can punch this time," I said to Snyder, and the laugh and smile he gave me as an answer, plus the giddy smile one of my favorite other people at Warner also gives whenever I ask him about the prospect of some serious-scaled superpower fisticuffs, makes me think that at the very least, they're going to give us a Superman we haven't seen onscreen before.
"Man Of Steel" heads up, up, and hopefully away on June 14, 2013, and you'll see what Snyder promises is a "crazy" new trailer in front of "The Hobbit" in theaters this Christmas.
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November 26, 2012 at 6:34PM EST Reply to CommentI agree completely about Superman. It is vitally important that this movie is a home run and I really hope that Snyder was the right choice.
However I thought that the idea for this movie was Nolan's. Would he have proposed something that would tie into a JL movie or is that something that was added after the fact?
The problem with a JL movie is that it doesn't fit in with Nolan's Batman universe. I don't want to see the holy trilogy tainted just to shoehorn Batman into a JL movie. I'm afraid now that Nolan has stepped away that DC will do just that.
If it were up to me I would abandon the whole JL idea and focus on the individual assets. Make sure that Superman is a big hit. Work on developing a Flash movie and reinvigorating GL. Then after some time see if Nolan will come back for a fourth Batman. The individual franchises are the most important.
You can't argue that the Marvel films have been successful but I still think none of them are particularly great except Iron Man 1. They are solid B+ movies. Financially they have been great money makers but I'd take the Batman trilogy over the whole lot of Marvel films. If the Superman movie can reach these heights I'd be thrilled.
Dave I I can agree with that.
November 26, 2012 at 6:47PM ESTOne of the larger problems I see with this is that it seems knee jerk. Marvel seems to have been playing the long game. DC just seems to have seen Avengers made a ton of money and blew people away with a big team-concept movie, and now suddenly wants to go from nothing to Justice League. If they built the individual assets, and THEN made a JL movie, fine.
As for Batman, I think they have said JL takes place outside the Nolan Batman "universe." Which is fine. I would rather they let people have freedom with these characters if they are going to do them at all.
I still think as a whole superhero movies have worn out their welcome. Yes, I like Iron Man, thought Capt. America was a pleasant surprise, as was Thor, even the last X-Men. Still, that does not come close to making up for the misses, or the boring retreads. If they are good, great. If they are just churned out to make money or maintain the rights or because it's been a couple of years, I am not going to bother with them. While there are some that I think could work and be very interesting, I wish these types of movies were the exception rather than the norm, and that they were special and not just filler on the schedule that they sometimes end up being.
-Cheers
Jeff Mclachlan Superhero movies have worn out their welcome? On what planet? Three superhero movies came out last year, and they were all huge blockbusters. Superhero movies will wear out their welcome when people stop going, and that doesn't seem likely to happen any time soon. Also, there are more Tyler Perry movies in a year than superhero movies---I wouldn't call three or four movies in a genre over the course of a year a glut. And better those than all the disaster movies we got in the 90's or Gladiator rip-offs from the early 2000's.
November 27, 2012 at 2:58PM ESTAnd DC would have been happy to build all their assets first, but after Green Lantern bombed all those plans went by the wayside. Now they just want to throw all their money on one big bet, and hey, even if it tanks, maybe it'll hurt Marvel too by making superheroes as a genre uncool. Which is sort of still a win for WB, because I guarantee you they were much happier when Batman was the only superhero game in town, and they weren't constantly compared to Marvel and held up to ridicule for their inability to capitalize on their other properties.
Dave I
November 26, 2012 at 6:40PM EST Reply to Comment"They know they can't just keep making a new origin film every few years, and that these may be their last chance to reboot Superman for a while."
Let's take that a step further, shall we? You do not need to reboot Superman. Just tell one (as on a singular) Superman story that stands on its own and ties into what you are doing. Have it tie in as much or as little to previous Superman movies. But we get it. We know who Superman and Batman and Spiderman are (amongst others). At some point, it's like James Bond; we know who they are and what they are about. Just move on.
So any "rebooting" of Superman that involves retelling the origin is entirely superfluous. If the Man of Steel is about that, I'm out. If it just makes quick allusions to his history, fine. But I am not sitting through yet another retelling of Superman's origins. Or a retread of the older movies or storylines that have been done to death. For me, their last chance at that was probably the last one they did.
Honestly though, the superhero movie thing is largely played out for me. If something truly special comes along, then great. Just to make them because they have the characters and it has not been done yet (or not been done recently)? Screw that. I do not want a weak Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, X-Men, or Hulk movie just because it's been a while and they think we're about due. I'm much more interested in something that has a strong story, not just superhuman alien biceps and laser rays coming out of his eyes.
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Mulderism I kind of agree about retreading origins but there are exceptions. Batman Begins would not have been as strong if they didn't show his origin. It was essential to the story and lay the framework for the trilogy.
November 26, 2012 at 7:06PM ESTThe new Superman film seems to want to distance itself (understandably) from the whole Superman Returns debacle. So you can be sure there will be a whole new origin story to be told.
FistOSalmon With Superman at least you absolutely don't need to tell the origin story. I know I'm the only person that liked Superman Returns (although I acknowledge it's a semi-remake of Superman 1) but one of the things I thought it did particularly well was work in enough origin through the flashbacks and allusions to past events to give the audience a quick refresher on his beginnings without having to go all the way back to square one.
November 26, 2012 at 9:34PM ESTReally you just need a story arc that's about two hours from start to finish and weave another 5-10 minutes of Smallville flashback-training montage kind of stuff and you're good. It'd be a nice trick to have that all relate to the story you're telling and in the sequel dig deeper into his Krypton backstory with the same storytelling device.
mridge1
November 26, 2012 at 7:00PM EST Reply to CommentI like Nolan's 'Batman' films but I think it's best we move away from that universe and strive for something new.
It certainly seems that WB/DC will be going the anti-Marvel route and having the team-up movie launch solo films of the characters (including a relaunch of Batman). I'm just not sure what kind of quality film we will get if they rush it into production just to hit a 2015 release date.
BigAl6ft6
November 26, 2012 at 7:23PM EST Reply to CommentHey, who says that Robin John Blake (aka Joseph Gordon-Levitt) can't be Batman in Justice League? It keeps it connected to the Nolan Batflicks without running all over them.
patrick foster I would pay to see that.
November 26, 2012 at 9:17PM ESTFistOSalmon You mean besides the fact that he looks about 5'9"? Although as I think of it there's nothing specifically in Nolan's Batman that says there aren't superpowered/meta-human beings running around, the only reason they're thought of as not having them is because he said or maybe implied there weren't. Just because none of them ever came to Gotham doesn't mean there aren't any there. Tonally it wouldn't seem a good fit though and aren't we kinda past the point where recasting is sacrilege? I'd just as soon start over and leave the Nolan movies as their own thing. That said the whole idea of wanting to get a JL movie out this quick seems more like a cash grab at Avengers style money than anything else.
November 26, 2012 at 9:22PM ESTlongaway
November 26, 2012 at 10:02PM EST Reply to CommentWell, there goes a huge chunk of my enthusiasm for a Justice League film. Marvel did three things right, and DC/Warner Bros don't seem to be able to get them. They stay true to their characters (including the appearance), they make films that are, generally speaking, okay for almost any age to watch, and most importantly, they make superhero movies that are fun.
Nolan made some good-to-great movies, but in the end, they're just not a lot of gun to watch. The Superman film he and Snyder are making might be great, but it doesn't look fun, it doesn't look like Superman (literally and their descriptions of his mindset), and it doesn't inspire confidence that it's okay for all ages.
Now the thought of Justice League following those lines...no thank you.
Mulderism IMHO the problem with Superman is that Christopher Reeve became so iconic in the role that anyone playing the role will always be compared to him. The glimpses of Cavill in the teaser look promising but he's got some mighty superman sized shoes to fill.
November 26, 2012 at 11:24PM ESTI don't think this new film will be as dark tonally as the Batman films.
kdoc13
November 27, 2012 at 2:04PM EST Reply to CommentI know I'm going to catch some flack for this, but, no one really wants to see Superman anymore. Except maybe the more hard core fans.
The whole concept of Superman is outdated anymore. There's no real sense when you are watching a Superman movie that he will ever lose, you never have that feeling that he is ever in any real jeopardy. Daredevil gets teeth knocked out, Iron Man can lose power at any moment and his heart will be in jeopardy, even the latest batman, Bane defeated him and threw him in a pit. Superman, you know there will be some kryptonite involved, but he'll manage to get away from it. After that, it's not a fair fight as Supes can do almost every super power in the book, and never really has a challenge to overcome. It's boring. And it doesn't really change, not even in the comics.
Then there is the flying boy-scout thing. He's a little too perfect. There's nothing to humanize him and make him relatable. Most people are flawed, Superman/Clark Kent, not flawed. It's been taken so far, it's almost unbelieveable.
The Superman movie won't tank, but it's not going to be breaking any records either. At best now, Superman, shouldn't be part of the main focus in the Justice League movie either. Keep it on Batman, since he's really the only compelling character that DC hasn't ruined in movie form yet, and make the other members less the focus.
FelixP
November 27, 2012 at 2:22PM EST Reply to CommentDrew, I agree that Supes is the most iconic pop culture figure that began in comic books but I think he just doesn't translate well onto the screen. The problem is he's SO powerful that the only way to make him interesting in comics is to get inside his head, which we do by reading his thought balloons. This just doesn't work when put in to the medium of cinema and without knowing his thoughts viewers just end up second-guessing what this incredibly powerful character does.
Ty Christopher
November 27, 2012 at 6:42PM EST Reply to Commenti feel like im the only one who can see how nolans batman can fit with the justice league. yeah it might see like a stretch or whatever but even though in Nolans universe no one had superpowers, its never said that superpowered beings dont necessarily exist either. I see it. Idk, i feel like Justice League really could be better than Avengers if they just do it right.
They give each hero a film before the JL movie release, like marvel did with Cap. America, Thor, Iron Man, and Hulk. They cant just make a movie outta nowhere with Wonder Woman and Flash and Martian Manhunter, etc. (whoever theyre gonna put in it) without giving them some sort of backstory for the audience. that just wont work
"modernize" the heroes sorta like nolan did with batman and snyder is doing with superman
make sure you have to right people writing that script and directing. put Chris Nolan doing something with the film but not directing and writing like he did with the dark knight trilogy, hes great but his sense of realism is a little too much for a JL film to work. like dont have the movie too Nolan influenced
oh and lastly DO NOT have JGL as Batman, i dont think that will work either. He just doesnt come off as "Batman" to me, not to mention hes not Bruce Wayne in the first place. The only bat that should be on the League is Bruce