The visual effects community sees red in the wake of Oscar protest and on-air snub
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Dear Hollywood,
You schooled us pretty hard the last time there was a WGAw strike. You made a pretty convincing case for a Hollywood without writers, and while we'll never admit it to you as a group, you broke us. You really did. And it has ruined the industry that I love in a million small ways that you're not even going to notice for a decade or so, and when you do, it may well be too late. You fought us over money and your right to more of it, and you hurt us enough to make us take a deal that we knew in our hearts was not right.
If you try to do the same thing to the VFX industry, you are going to lose.
I'm not telling you this because I want you to win. I just don't think you realize that this is not the same situation as when the writers decided to strike. You are correct. You can indeed lowball us and force us to do free rewrite after free rewrite and you can screw us on points and offer us insulting archaic math problems instead of real profit participation and we'll smile and ask for more. But if you start putting FX houses out of business and trying to lowball that side of the business, you may be crippling yourself.
After all, when you see pretty much any trailer for any tentpole film at this point, the shots you're going to use to sell that movie will, more often than not, contain some degree of visual effects work. Sometimes, the visual effects are the entire thing you're selling, promising a wild ride to a new world. When you look at your highest grossing films each year, ask yourself what those movies would be if you couldn't offer ticket-buyers more and more marvelous visions each year.
I'm not even going to talk about quality. The systemic abuse of writers proves that is not what drives the decisions in town. Instead, money talks, so let's talk money. "Avatar," the #1 grossing film of all time… picture that without visual effects. Or picture it done on a rushed schedule with no money to speak of. "Titanic." Same thing. "The Avengers." "The Phantom Menace." "Star Wars." Nolan's "Dark Knight" movies. "Shrek 2." "E.T." "Pirates 2." That's your top ten right now in terms of all time domestic box-office. Every one of those films was the cutting edge when it was made. Every one of those films depended in large part on those visual effects being the best they could be at the time the films were released.
Honestly, the time to deal fairly with independent FX houses seems to have passed. With Disney's purchase of Lucasfilm and ILM with it, they've brought the two largest talent pools of state-of-the-art computer animation under one roof. Pixar and ILM aren't just part of the big leagues… they are the big leagues. And now they are all part of one brand, and I can guarantee when ILM is picking who works on what movies, the A-team, the absolute cream of the crop, will always be working on Disney projects first. That's great news for Marvel Studios. It's great news for anyone making a Disney film.
I think the 21st century is going to belong to companies that follow a model along the lines of what Hydraulx is doing. You don't have to like "Skyline" to admire what they're up to, or to see how canny it is as a template for how to make movies in this modern economy. They don't have an FX department… they are an FX company that also has a creative branch. They are developing material in-house, and they own their own cameras, their own post-production facility… they can go start to finish on whatever they want, and all they need is a few hits to make this really start to pay off. They can make movies for 1/10th of the budget of something and make it look the same. In many cases, passion on these smaller projects pushes people to work even harder than they do for the giant impersonal blockbuster stuff. "District 9" was a great example of a movie that felt like it was made by people with something to prove working outside the system.
I didn't watch the Oscars yesterday, but enough people were instantly outraged by the way the orchestra played off Bill Westenhofer, who won for "Life Of Pi," a movie that was impossible to make without the active participation of a team of FX artists working at the absolute peak of their craft. It's particularly galling that the FX guy, speaking about a protest that was happening outside that directly addresses the financial realities that are starting to damage the FX community in a way they may not be able to fully recover from, was cut short at a ceremony where they actually had a computer-animated character give away an award on live television. Ted was so successful an effect last night that my mother called me after the awards to ask me how they fit the midget into the suit. And without a great, dedicated FX team, that moment doesn't happen.
I don't think Hollywood is nearly scared enough right now. I don't think they're truly thinking about what could happen if they make it financially impossible for innovation and artistry to thrive in the FX community. Rhythm & Hues may have won an Academy Award last night, but they are also facing bankruptcy. I remember the year they won for "Babe." It was their first Oscar, and I was at the studio for their big giant Oscar party with a friend who worked there, and the jubilation was amazing. They were so proud of what they'd done, so proud of being a small independent house that turned out work that made magic for audiences all around the world, in a film that was beloved. Last night, I'm wondering if any of that same joy was part of the experience for them. Yes, they have another trophy, another round of kudos on doing remarkable things, but they may not have a future as a company. How does that even make sense?
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Next 104 CommentsFastbak
February 25, 2013 at 11:32PM EST Reply to CommentI'm still waiting on Ray Harryhausen getting an Annie Leibowitz photo in the annual Vanity Fair Hollywood issue. Or for the original 1977 ILM guys. FX gets no respect.
Oaktown Girl
February 25, 2013 at 11:33PM EST Reply to CommentSince they are getting screwed, I would love to see the special effects people do a work stoppage en masse, but I wonder if it would be difficult trying to organize with so many people working overseas? That is, would is be harder to keep "scabs" from stepping in and undermining the effort?
But here's hoping they do it, and that it brings big budget Hollywood movie making to its knees.
drew They don't even have to stop. All they have to do is slllllllloooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwww down and they could totally screw the studios for a full movie season.
February 25, 2013 at 11:42PM ESTSarah I agree totally with Drew. Not slow down, but just refuse to do OT! Every studio is in crunch mode now. And just not doing, just doing the normal hours of 9-6 will bring execs to their knees. It's sad how doing "normal hours" will create such havoc. This way, everyone is still paid, no contracts broken, and shows how much we are needed
February 26, 2013 at 1:19AM ESTOaktown Girl @Sarah - wouldn't even a slowdown or no OT still need to be very well coordinated both here and abroad to be successful and have the most impact? It seems as if people overseas are still working full tilt, that would undermine efforts here.
February 26, 2013 at 2:00AM EST
I think a major effects house picking a fight with the school bully would be more than enough. The smaller and even overseas houses probably wouldnt have to do much aside from standing with them. It's not like the studio can take half the fx to a different house mid movie and tell someone else to finish it. I mean, they could try and it'd be fucking hilarious lol.
February 26, 2013 at 4:13AM ESTRyan
February 25, 2013 at 11:43PM EST Reply to CommentWhile I agree with the sentiment in support of the VFX industry, Bill Westenhofers speech went way too long. If he wanted to make an important point on national TV, he should've started with it, not tacked it on the end.
velocityknown This, he went on far too long and had a good amount of soft play off time before they shut off his mic. He's been in the industry enough to where he should know better and if his spiel for helping someone's financial struggles was so important to him, he should've mentioned it earlier.
February 26, 2013 at 12:04AM ESTI fully support the VFX community (Life of Pi and The Hobbit's visual effects blew my mind), but I'll support them outside of this Oscar incident because it really feels quite silly to get upset about that.
delumen His speech wasn't too long (45 seconds), The average speech at the Oscars was 1 minute 40 seconds. It was deliberate.
February 26, 2013 at 12:58AM ESTBubbles His speech was cut maliciously. They cut him off early because they knew what was coming. They have also been downplaying protest because they know if it picks up steam it could be financially damning for the whole industry. Imagine a year without summer blockbusters. . . .
February 26, 2013 at 1:26AM ESTchris Things have to change. stop making excuses
February 26, 2013 at 1:39AM ESTDaniel How long was the stupid skit with the too cool to do a good introduction Avenger team?
February 26, 2013 at 2:22AM EST1:38
Their careers depend on VFX especially RDJ
BK On average, the band starts playing about 50-60 seconds into the speech, with the exception of major awards and they try to speed it up every year: http://www.quora.com/Academy-Awards/How-long-does-each-Oscar-winner-get-for-their-speech
February 26, 2013 at 2:55AM ESTCinemaPsycho He was cut off after 43 seconds. Right after he mentioned Rhythm & Hues' bankruptcy. Anyone who thinks it wasn't deliberate is being naive.
February 26, 2013 at 3:21AM ESTMike Daniel...RDJ was trying to speak up about the VSFX industry and do the intro like was suppose to happen. But they had Samuel L. Jackson skip right to the announcing of the winner. RDJ actually got frustrated that they skipped the into. just check the online video footage of that part...you will see i am correct
February 26, 2013 at 3:31AM ESTBK Agree to disagree? I think it's naive to think that the Academy anticipated their speech would focus on the bankruptcy / VFX issue (which really doesn't effect the Academy since they represent the *entire* industry). It was simply a hired producer directing an orchestra to play them off as they neared their end time while starting in on what could be predicted as a long-winded, new cause-de-jeur on an early and technical-related award. The show was probably running over time as is. Occam's Razor and such.
February 26, 2013 at 3:47AM ESTIf the speakers started with the matter at hand, as they should have if it's so important to them, and THEN they were played off, I would absolutely agree it was premeditated. The Academy here, like the National Academy of Recording Arts (Grammy's), is an amorphous, huge collection of voting-eligible people in the industry, not an insular cabal of studio heads conniving in the dark. As a member of NARAS, I can confidently say that the public has a very skewed perception of how it works.
BK, you keep throwing around the word naive, yet you seem to think the producer doesnt have a stake in this? You don't think they have marching orders or are so badly uninformed that they dont realize the correlation? The orchestra is not at fault, but the producers who did so are. You've demonstrated a far greater naivety of the system than anyone here.
February 26, 2013 at 4:17AM ESTBK Cory, I only used the word "naive" once and it was in response to someone calling me naive for observing that an early, generally unimportant (in the eyes of the average viewer) Oscar acceptance speech wasn't cutoff more than 2 seconds before the average cutoff time and for non-nefarious reasons. I didn't start with personal attacks.
February 26, 2013 at 4:25AM ESTI also watched the show with (a) a person that has close ties to the Taiwan production houses who was rooting for them, and (b) two current and former event producers who all happened to comment at the time of the cutoff, before this backlash made the press, that their time was up and they needed to share the podium. Rules are rules. If you disagree, fine, but I think a few people are looking into this way too much.
Riot Nrrrd™ "As a member of NARAS, I can confidently say that the public has a very skewed perception of how it works."
February 26, 2013 at 4:27AM ESTNo, I'm pretty sure the public has a perfect perception of how it works - they give the Grammys to the big sellers that kept them in cocaine and hookers for another year.
Oh, wait, you meant the awards speeches? Silly me ...
BK Riot, clearly you don't know how it works. If you have cocaine, you don't need to pay for hookers. :)
February 26, 2013 at 4:33AM ESTIn any event, I think we all can agree that the VFX industry is getting screwed, that we would have all liked to have heard the end of the speech in question, and that cocaine and hookers are an under appreciated segment of the entertainment industry.
anonymous I am with BK on this one. I don't think many people have watched it again since their initial reaction because if they had, they'd see the music started playing while he was still thanking family. Also, there were about 10 Seconds between the time he got to the mic and started speaking. That's over 50 seconds before the music started playing. There were 15 seconds of music playing before the mic was cut off. That's substantial, and I think enough to determine that it was simply time for him to go.
February 26, 2013 at 2:06PM ESTAlso, I keep reading through different articles how offensive it was to play the jaws music. What is wrong with all these people? If you want to be taken seriously, you need to know what you're talking about. every speech that was cut off that night had the same music played for them. this wasn't insulting, It was simply the music chosen for the night. Everyone got the same treatment... except the "big award" winners and the pretty people. Let's be honest with ourselves... the average Joe watching this garbage is in it to see the beautiful people in $30,000 dresses. They didn't tune in to watch us malnourished nerds :D
Don't get me wrong, I wanted his speech as much as the next guy/gal, but he should have done it first if he was going to do it at all. Yes the industry and all of us artists deserve more recognition. Yes things need to change. Yes industry would suffer without us. But spewing off nonsense about something that happened at the Academy Awards and twisting it into something that it wasn't is not a way to be taken seriously by the rest of the industry.
Though all this nonsense has gotten a lot of attention, so perhaps falsifying details in articles throughout the internet is exactly what was needed to start a conversation. It's just going to suck when the facts are looked at and all these articles are discredited. (this article was written by someone who didn't even watch the actual footage!!!)
Dave I totally agree with this comment. I hate it when 4 people go up on stage and one guy hogs all the air time. He was thanking his family and children and everyone under the sun. And when he finally started to get cut off, maybe he remembered that he was speaking for the VFX industry. He spent the entirety of his speech congratulating himself. If he was so outraged they cut him off, he should have started his speech with the larger issue. I mean seriously, he should know that the VFX winners don't get to be long-winded at the Oscars. Say your points and get out, or else you're going to get cut off. And they played the Jaws music for everybody. This is such a blogosphere outrage, blown way out of proportion.
February 26, 2013 at 5:37PM ESTBarry Convex I think he was inadvertently smart. Getting cut off brought more attention to the issue than the speech itself would have.
March 2, 2013 at 11:07AM ESTBonzai
February 25, 2013 at 11:49PM EST Reply to CommentThis....definetly doesn't sound very good. I didn't even know about the issues happening with VFX studios.
Starting a Union might be ideal but then it also might cause these fat cats to react irrationally.
As always Moriarty, keep it up. Love your columns.
Ann With just about every state in the country and many countries in the world looking into getting VFX and animation studios to move there, making operating costs (that are already through the roof in CA) even more onerous won't bring back DD and R&H.
February 26, 2013 at 2:24PM ESTRev. Slappy
February 25, 2013 at 11:49PM EST Reply to CommentDrew, they didn't just play off Westenhofer. They had already started playing the Jaws music. The second he started talking about Rhythm and Hues they cut his mic. I know the Oscars don't want people talking about politics from the stage. But it's nuts that they'd silence people talking about an issue that faces their own industry.
Sam Longoria
February 26, 2013 at 12:01AM EST Reply to CommentOrchestra didn't just play him off. They cut his mic, which was obvious and heavy-handed. I've heard so many offensive things said on Oscar night over the years, it was astonishing. Money talks, but the guys who cause the money to be earned don't get to.
Sam Longoria
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Theschu All nominees are told ahead of time to keep their acceptance speeches to 45sec or they will be played off. He had already gone way over time by the time the Jaws music started.
February 26, 2013 at 12:45AM ESTDaniel Unless you win best actor and waste time telling bad jokes or best director and not even thank the visual effects team that helped win the award.
February 26, 2013 at 2:25AM ESTCinemaPsycho 43 seconds.
February 26, 2013 at 3:23AM ESTalynch
February 26, 2013 at 12:21AM EST Reply to CommentOh boy, I have not been following this story closely enough. What's the timetable on this dispute reaching the point where 90% of trade articles are about it?
vfx guy
February 26, 2013 at 12:42AM EST Reply to CommentVFX gets no respect, yet they are the backbone of modern visual art and critical to film. Nearly everything is digital these days, everything is green screen, and it all passes lastly though the hand a talented dedicated VFX artisans. Got pimples? Gone. Got cellulite? Gone. Need a new sunset? Done. Need a giant monster, Done. All thanks the VFX. So many VFX guys are broke, underpaid, over worked, abandoned and throne out to the curb like trash, however many now are starting shops and home, and reinventing the 'new biz'. You are so right, thank you for this post. - a VFX guy in Hollywood.
Victor Laszlo
February 26, 2013 at 12:43AM EST Reply to CommentThank you, Drew. This is the best article on the subject yet, and your voice means a lot.
Drew This
February 26, 2013 at 12:45AM EST Reply to CommentWhy is Drew saying "we" and "us?" It's not like Drew's actually a member of the Hollywood writing scene--he's a guy with practically no screen credits whose claim to fame is that he has written for AICN and other poorly edited hack Web sites. Drew is NOT a Hollywood screenwriter, despite what this article may lead you to believe.
Created an account just to comment And yet...here you are. Reading this "hack" article. Commenting on this "poorly edited" website. Keep up the good work!
February 26, 2013 at 1:11AM ESTdrew Say what you want. WGAw member since 1995. I've earned the right to say "we," and since you're too big a coward to sign your name, nothing you say actually matters.
February 26, 2013 at 1:13AM ESTVFX TECHIE DREW THIS, so what if he says "we" or "us". We want him on our side, to explain our side. I would think writers most of all would understand what it's like to be marginalized.
February 26, 2013 at 3:18AM ESTCinemaPsycho How do you explain those Masters of Horror episodes with his name on them? Many working screenwriters don't get much actually produced, but they still get jobs writing and are members of the guild. I'm not even in the business and I understand that.
February 26, 2013 at 3:27AM EST
They don't just give out those WGA cards either. So what if he runs a site now? Writers are not well paid, in general. You can't keep writing if you can't pay your rent. Or god forbid, he actually enjoys his job.
February 26, 2013 at 4:23AM ESTvfx vet
February 26, 2013 at 12:55AM EST Reply to CommentDrew, Hydraulx has a seriously bad rep among people in VFX. They pay crap, hire illegal workers and pay them worse, belittle them, make them work in cramped conditions. One small room had people elbow to elbow for months on end. Worst of all, they have paid people as Independent contractors while requiring them to work at their offices at set business hours. I could have reported them to the labor board. Maybe others have already. They are scum and for you to use them as an example of the future of VFX in LA is making us on the inside laugh, because you obviously drank their cool-aid.
vfxtechie Yes, the Hydraulx guys are a-holes and they make crap movies. That doesn't mean someone can't take their model and make a better version of it.
February 26, 2013 at 3:21AM ESTVFX people creating their content may be one of the few salvations.
oldpixelchick
February 26, 2013 at 1:06AM EST Reply to Commentthank you thank you thank you thank you thank you (though hydraulic creates other horrid problems) thank you thank you thank you. your words resonate...next up: how a cinematographer wins an oscar for a film whose lighting was largely digital
filmboy
February 26, 2013 at 1:18AM EST Reply to CommentWhat a very well written open letter Drew. I can't help but think when I read what you wrote that the plight of the VFX artists is no different than that of the workers in America right now.
The CEO's and executives are making massive amounts of money, but then are proceeding to take more and more away from the workers. You know the people who are partially responsible for the success that those same executives enjoy. They cut the workers out of bonuses, eliminate pensions, lower their contributions to healthcare and 401k's. They lay off whole departments and expect more work from less people.
It saddens me to see people treated in this way. When will we realize that we can all prosper if the system we choose to use awards success on all levels of the corporate culture. Why can't the factory worker get a cut on the profits, or the customer service rep, or in this case the hard working FX houses.
Greed is our biggest fault as a nation and as a people. Hollywood had their biggest year yet financially speaking and yet they have no intention in rewarding those who helped make that happen. It ultimately is a battle they will lose and the industry as a whole could suffer gravely for it. As will corporations and executives if they keep mistreating their workforces. Change has to happen and I think it will in time.
FistOSalmon This x2.
February 26, 2013 at 1:23AM EST
Not only that, but vfx isnt one of the parts of the industry where you can get a "break" and start making 10x your salary all of a sudden.
February 26, 2013 at 4:27AM ESTJim Hillin
February 26, 2013 at 1:22AM EST Reply to CommentAwesome. Thank you!
- Jim Hillin
FistOSalmon
February 26, 2013 at 1:22AM EST Reply to CommentThe VFX industry needs to unionize. Standing alone they have no clout and they're dealing with bean counters that don't care about quality of the end product as long as they can get their customers to shell out.
Unionize the shops, strike for better conditions and pay if (sorry, I meant when) the media corporations won't treat them equitably and if need be let a summer or two go up in flames. Anytime a new industry starts up, and computer VFX as an industry is still young, there comes a point where owners can't squeeze anymore out of the market or amp production expectations beyond capacity and start taking the shortfall out of the backs of labor.
Eventually A.I. will put every software designer, engineer and technician out of a job but as the saying goes in the long run we're all dead. Until then a collective bargaining is the VFX industries laborers best bet.
johndoe
February 26, 2013 at 1:23AM EST Reply to CommentIt sends a message. I don't want to point at Lee as reponsible of anything, but just someone who had the opportunity to help making the voice of thousands of VFX artists to be heard, and he didn't take it - http://oi48.tinypic.com/2a4ofig.jpg
Jerry Weil
February 26, 2013 at 1:27AM EST Reply to CommentI too was at the R&H oscar party that night. I didn't even hear the show for about 20 minutes after they won because of all the screaming. Ironically, that year there was a big rivalry with Digital Domain (who was up for Apollo 13 and supposedly were eating a pig at their party) - 2 companies in recent bankruptcy
Jerry Weil
February 26, 2013 at 1:28AM EST Reply to CommentI too was at the R&H oscar party that night. I didn't even hear the show for about 20 minutes after they won because of all the screaming. Ironically, that year there was a big rivalry with Digital Domain (who was up for Apollo 13 and supposedly were eating a pig at their party) - 2 companies in recent bankruptcy
Lgjvfx @ Jerry: I was an exec assistant at DD during this first Oscar nomination party. There was no pig eaten. While we really hoped for A13 to win, Scott Ross (DD President) had a case of champagne ready and delivered directly to John Hughes as soon as the award was announced.
February 26, 2013 at 3:07AM ESTPeter Blood
February 26, 2013 at 1:40AM EST Reply to CommentUnfortunately Bill Westenhofer took too much time getting around to what should have been a priority moment instead of wasting 12 seconds before speaking holding up the award and waving it around and then taking another 45+ seconds (which is all you're supposed to take) thanking everyone and even when the JAWS music was playing he was still not talking about Rhythm & Hues and the VFX protest. He needed to have started talking about this vital issue BEFORE the music started playing and then holding the audience and the Academy's attention. Seconds matter in this situation and Bill seemed to have ironically forgotten timing in his euphoria for winning an Oscar. Bill blew the moment for his VFX colleagues with his own egotistical sucking up agenda. The VFX industry - oh yeah! - was an afterthought. Thanks Bill!! Not like these opportunities come up every day.
CinemaPsycho Yeah, because he's a professional speaker who knows all about timing and talking on live TV in front of billions of people.
February 26, 2013 at 3:32AM ESTVFX Pro Bill was swept away by the moment and forgot something more important than thanking everybody and his brother. Doesn't matter if he was or wasn't a professional speaker. Kind of a dumb statement Cinemapsycho. Obviously you have nothing at stake here.
February 26, 2013 at 3:43AM ESTGustavo H. Razera Cinemapsycho was being sarcastic about Peter Blood's arrogant reprimand of Westenhofer's speech. I think you are too furious to read between the lines, VFX Pro.
March 22, 2013 at 3:54PM ESTPeter Blood I guarantee if Bill had started speaking of the R&H situation BEFORE the orchestra started playing they would not have played him off or cut his mic. He didn't and once they started to play nothing was going to stop them. Bill's moment to say something had passed. Sad but true. What I said was not arrogance but cold hard fact. I'm an old VFX pro and I was there.
March 22, 2013 at 4:24PM ESTVFX_comp
February 26, 2013 at 2:32AM EST Reply to CommentOverall, this is a very informative piece to those who are outside the VFX industry, but using Hydraulx as a golden standard is a slap in the face to those of us who actually work in VFX. They are notorious for illegal labor practices, from working employees well into unpaid overtime on a frequent basis, to the owners verbally harassing them and in some cases threatening physical assault. Hydraulx is an embarrassment to the VFX field, and epitomizes the stronghold that an effects house can place on its workers simply because its owners are greedy and people need jobs.
Empiricist
February 26, 2013 at 2:36AM EST Reply to CommentDoes no one see the hypocrisy or irony in R&H doing animation in Taiwan, India, and Malaysia with production facilities in Canada, fully taking advantage of the very things they claim to be driving them under?
ACE You're a fool. Or maybe just willfully ignorant. R&H has been trying to survive and thrive in this toxic environment for years... Subsidies in other countries are part of the deal! Big studios like Fox and Universal will only give out the contract if the VFX houses underbid AND guarantee that x percent of the work is done by employees in the country with the best tax breaks. If you're a VFX house without a subsidy, you're not viable. So they build a branch in other countries. Work is done overseas and Fox/Universal/WB gets its tax break, but the quality is often subpar, so artists in LA have to rework it and rework it and Rhythm ends up paying out of their own pockets. Don't forget, they're often only claiming a 5% margin, so those pockets aren't very deep.
February 26, 2013 at 3:47AM ESTSo yes, it's still driving them under, and they are completely within their rights to say that it's breaking them.
Empiricist The movie studios do not receive the subsidies and tax break, the FX studios do, so you're really just talking nonsense there. R&H claims competition is unfair because other studios are DOING THE EXACT SAME THING THEY ARE DOING. Are you really so dense you can't see the problem in that? Furthermore, R&H and some of the other struggling FX studios are charging record prices measured per project man-hour at a time when the availability of qualified labor is at a historical high and materials/equipment costs are at historical lows. That indicates that the financial problems are the not the fault of some Great Greedy Hollywood, but rather the result of poor business models. Given the rising prominence of FX in movies, I do find Hollywood's inflexibility unfair. However, it is entirely dishonest of the FX industry to pretend that is the root cause of their troubles in a era of relatively high prices and low costs.
February 26, 2013 at 5:28AM ESTACE Wrong. You're wrong about the subsidies/tax breaks not benefiting the movie studios. http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121204/17313021226/hobbit-took-120m-kiwi-taxpayers-maybe-they-should-own-rights.shtml
February 26, 2013 at 6:50AM ESTOf course other studios are doing the same thing. When did I say that they're not? Didn't I mention that if you don't have a subsidy, you're not viable (read: you are not a company that is at least TRYING to succeed)? And if you don't see how detrimental the whole scheme is to the overall health of VFX companies, I don't know how I can convince you. Also, Rhythm never said that competition is unfair in regards to other companies being able to outbid them. Obviously, they were good low-ballers themselves, because they kept getting shows, right up until their bankruptcy. I think the main complaint is that Rhythm doesn't think the act of competition is fair, because it has driven the would-be lucrative VFX industry mostly out of business.
I don't really feel like we're arguing, not really, because we agree on quite a few things: yes, the business model is broken, and yes, artists are usually making good wages, but on that hand, consider the conditions!! Early on in his career, my husband worked 48 days straight with a SHORT day being Sundays (max of 8 hours) and the rest being 12-16, and those are fantastic conditions compared to what Hydraulix puts their employees through. Also, he came on the scene late in the game, others had been on the show longer, and really, 48 days is nothing compared to other friend's records. To not have insurance, to not have sick days or holidays or TO NOT GET PAID even though the movie you last worked on has grossed over 600Million dollars is inexcusable, and many reasons are to blame.
My point is, FX houses are driven by studios to overwork their employees, and not even for greed, because they're lucky if they break even.
lavfx
February 26, 2013 at 2:41AM EST Reply to CommentGood points , but holding up Hydralux as an example of what's right is way off base. I've had lots of friends work there, and most call it a digital sweatshop. Brutal hours, and massive violations of state overtime and labor laws.
15yearVet-StayInLA
February 26, 2013 at 3:37AM EST Reply to CommentHave to concur. I appreciate all that Moriarty is expressing on our behalf's specifically as LA vfx artists. I agree with many of his sentiments, and LOVE his advocacy. Props M! But darn it, I'm afraid I must include that big but(t) :) Hydralux is the closest thing to a modern-day sweatshop. Their artists toil for relentless hours at some of the lowest rates in town, whilst the company owners- the Brothers Strause drive around town in their Ferraris and employ 'Big Brother' type draconian policies about Internet usage on company time (not to mention, monitoring their indentured slaves' hours through card-swipe logging). I'm all for more competition for the big studios- but this is NOT the model anyone is looking for. They under-bid on the backs of their vfx artists, provide them with nothing but lost relationships, and spend their profits on toys for themselves.
Luma's not so different, btw.
I really do appreciate the sentiment otherwise M!
Banshee
February 26, 2013 at 5:28AM EST Reply to CommentVFX Houses are in the same boat as Post Production. Producers demand the latest technology, best talent and quickest turn around...but don't want to pay for it.
I agree that the VFX artists are getting the shaft, I'm just not sure how you fix it.
Walkouts? Strikes? Unionize? These would probably have a major effect in the short term. 1 year maybe. But after that you'll see VFX houses popping up all over the world in places like India, South Korea, Indonesia, etc.
Now ACE pointed out that most of the work done in those places is sub-par and the Americans have to clean them up and fix them. But how long will it be like that?
Anyone watch The Clone Wars? That entire show is done overseas for a fraction of what it would cost here.
And it looks amazing. These guys are only going to get better. It will take time, but eventually it's going to happen.
So I'm not sure what the answer is. If every VFX House in Hollywood decided they were going to "strike", would ILM join them? Because if they didn't the whole thing falls apart.
Like I said, I would like to see something done, I'm just not sure how to make it happen.
VFX Londoner
February 26, 2013 at 6:08AM EST Reply to CommentGreat article and well written, but I would like to clarify a few things you mentioned. Studios like Weta, while they turn out amazing visual effects, the artists there work standard hours over 90+ per week! They have laundry services, because you do not have time to do it yourself. They have a total of maybe 10 people on staff, everyone else is freelance for only a few months each time, and the HR department is one of the worst out there. Yes its a cool place to work for sure, but lets not glorify the way artists are treated there.
The same goes for Animal Logic and Hydraulx. Hell, at Hydraulx they stop paying you if the fucking screen saver starts on your machine! Anyone really embedded in the industry can agree with this.
teddyf oh god. Animal Logic sucks. Don't tell HR ANYTHING.... it goes straight to "management" (actually it's insulting to real management to call it management)
February 26, 2013 at 6:36PM ESTSlapcomp Yes, I also laughed when I read the part that went "10 or 12 or 14 hours a day"! Any of those hours would be a short day at places like WETA when PJ is ordering shots after the DI has started!
March 6, 2013 at 8:51PM ESTpaul
February 26, 2013 at 8:05AM EST Reply to CommentThey cut everyone short with the "jaws" orchestra... you only get 1 minute or so to speak.
Domarius
February 26, 2013 at 8:22AM EST Reply to CommentI'm thinking big picture here - perhaps they can get away with it because the talent is so easy to come by. The stuff I've seen even uni students doing is incredible. Perhaps because it's an art industry, it suffers from this situation, like all other creative industries. Someone will always do it for cheaper.
Borko
February 26, 2013 at 11:04AM EST Reply to CommentI would like from professionals, to advice me. I want to be animator, i am totally newbie in this, but this is really freak me out. What you gonna say for a newbie who wants to join in this industry?
DefRef
February 26, 2013 at 11:13AM EST Reply to CommentDrew - I'd like to see an equally long article discussing what happened with the last WGAw strike and what you mean by it created problems which won't manifest for a while and then it will be too late. As a produced writer and WGA member, you can give the insiders perspective to those endeavoring and aspiring to be screenwriters themselves.
It's ironic to see a writer making such a passionate appeal on the behalf of the VFX artists when as poorly as you feel they're being treated, there is no one more abused in Hollywood, from what I've seen and heard, than the writer. Studios would never make personal changes in any other departments like they do with writers.
Sure, a DP make clash with director and a change is made or the director falls so far behind schedule that a replacement is parachuted in to save the production, but you have to think long and hard to come up with examples of this whereas nearly every single screenplay gets passed around like a hooker at a frat party for everyone to take a crack at. Studios would never put 6 DPs or 4 production designers or three costumers on a film because it would wreak havoc on the cohesiveness of the look, but they'll allow a clown car of people with laptops to go crazy on the pages.
If the script is like blueprint for a house, the VFX are the furniture and interior decoration. But what does it matter how tasteful the color palette and sumptuous the silk wall coverings are if the original design was modified by a development exec to put bay windows then the director has the garage door open directly to the dining room because he misses the old drive-in burger stand experience and the star wanted the toilet up on the roof because his life coach told him fresh air while pooping aligns his chi better? It almost sounds like Drew is pleading with Hollywood to treat the decorators better because they can wallpaper over the terrible alterations in the house's construction due to meddling as if ILM's getting the Hulk looking right was more important than Joss Whedon's writing the Hulk well.
Lost in the easy accusations of corporate greed is the aspect of risk producers take in mounting these massive productions. If you think people in the movie biz have it bad, then you know nothing of the total screw job that the music industry is for 98% of artists. Imagine buying a house, but the bank dictates where you live and how it's decorated; only one of every 10 dollars you pay counts toward your mortgage; and when/if you finally pay the bank back, the BANK owns the house. That's what a typical record contract is like and the music biz thinks they're coddling the talent with such generous terms.
On the other hand, everyone involved in the movie business gets paid up front. Even with 10 unpaid rewrites, the writer gets paid something. The director and DP and gaffer gets paid. The actors get paid along with the craft services people, scene painters, grips, DITs, etc. Everyone gets paid and it's up to the studios/producers to recoup their investments. If you blow $460 million (not counting P&A) producing John Carter (not of Mars) and Battleship and they only take in $586 million worldwide, a likely double-shot of red in the ledger, it's not as if anyone involved in making the movie has to wait in vain for their payment check for their work. Sure, profit participation and other back end deals are toast, but it's not as if they worked for free on the show.
Which leads me back to my point that denigrating the writer is madness because before R&H can animate a digital tiger in a lifeboat, a writer has to fire up Screenwriter or Final Draft and type, "Richard Parker leaps over the zebra to kill the hyena." Before ILM can flawlessly create their illusions, Joss had to write, "Iron Man swoops down low to where Captain America and Black Widow are fighting the aliens amidst the rubble and wreckage. Iron Man fires his hand repulsors into Cap's shield which redirects the blast, knocking over several aliens."
For all the lip service about the importance of the writers, it'd be nice to see Hollywood actually treating them as something other than interchangeable nuisances. In a just world, the Academy Awards would open with the screenwriting Oscars because, literally, nothing that follows in show could've happened without the work of the writers in the beginning. Actors have nothing to say; designers have nothing to design; DPs have nothing to shoot and directors have nothing to block and direct until someone writes, "INT. SOMEPLACE - DAY."
/rant
Collin
February 26, 2013 at 11:26AM EST Reply to CommentThese films you mention are really the higher standard of VFX. If Hollywood doesn't pay every film will look more archaic than Jack The Giant Killer. And that's where I kind of dont understand the issue. How is it exactly that cheap looking CGI VFX companys still thrives, why don't they go in house ie studio. With practical effects you could rarely tell if done on the cheap with a major film. However nowadays even the slightest out of place pixel or rubbery appearance ruins any film. A union might be the best idea so efforts can be combined to make each company accessible to the same equipment and then maybe the films wont suffer.
vfxguy "With practical effects you could rarely tell if done on the cheap with a major film"
February 26, 2013 at 1:40PM ESTUgh. Please don't trot this out again. You would be shocked at the amount of expensive practical effects I have spent my vfx career replacing because they looked terrible. People think practical effects looked better because directors shot around them so as not to show their shortcomings. You could say that directors should to the same for vfx, and I'd agree with you, but studios want to see every last cent up on screen, clear as day.
It might interest you to know that the majority of the effects on Jack the Giant Killer were produced by Digital Domain, who won Oscars for The Curious Case of Benjamin Button and Titanic, and who filed for bankruptcy last year. It is not simply a case of some companies being good or having access to some crazy equipment that no-one else has. It's about companies getting the budget to hire the staff they need to do a project, and to be able to complete that project without ridiculous deadlines and constant revisions from their clients.
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