Review: Is 'very good' good enough for 'The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey'?
Peter Jackson's return to Middle-Earth frustrates at times, transports at others
- Critic's Rating B
- Readers' Rating B-
Bilbo Baggins prepares to sneak away in the dead of night in a scene from 'The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey'
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Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit - An Unexpected Journey" is an above-average fantasy film, a dense piece of entertainment that packs more visual wonder into its two-and-three-quarter hour run than seems possible. It is a very good movie. I say that upfront because any discussion about what does or doesn't work about the movie is going make some people very angry since they've been waiting to see it since 2003. If a careful appraisal of the films flaws (and there are many) is upsetting to a fan who wants perfection from what they'll see in theaters later this month, then please just skim down and read the positive things I have to say, then go see it for yourself.
When I reviewed "Fellowship Of The Ring," it is safe to say that I lost my ever-lovin' mind for it.
I remain a huge fan of not only that film, but of every combination of footage consisting of "The 'Lord Of The Rings' Trilogy. The theatrical films, the extended editions, the DVD sets, the Blu-ray editions, an upgrade every time. I think it is a major accomplishment in the history of fantastic filmmaking, drawing on horror, science-fiction, fantasy, and even historical dramas in terms of how it was crafted and paced and designed and executed. Peter Jackson tried something that no one else had ever done on that scale, and he pulled it off with aplomb.
It seems almost hubristic to go back for seconds. I'm sure Peter Jackson has had some sleepless nights along the way as he's wrestled with his own cinematic legacy in deciding to direct not just one or two but three "Hobbit" movies, a sort of final summation for him on all things Tolkien. Knowing how much the Tolkien estate dislikes the "Lord Of The Rings" films, I would imagine these movies will make them positively livid. There's no way they're ever selling Jackson another piece of Tolkien material to adapt, and at this point, there's nothing else that these producers have access to. If they can do it, they are doing it in these movies.
So how is it?
There is more of a sense of heavy lifting involved at the start of the film as the older version of Bilbo, played once again by Ian Holm, shows up in a framing device that takes place mere moments before the opening of "Fellowship." It felt to me like they had to do a lot of legwork just to get to Bilbo writing the words that open Tolkien's book, and while it always felt to me like "Fellowship" had this fairly effortless quality at the start, handling all the details of world-building with ease, this time it seems far more calculated. There is also the difficult nature of the way it all opens, with a dinner sequence that introduces all 6000 dwarf characters and that seems to go on for a few hours. It is one of two major momentum killing sequences in the film, and taken together with the frantic, overwhelming nature of some of the action sequences, it makes for a very mixed experience.
One thing is sure: very few filmmakers have ever created worlds with the intricate density of the Middle Earth that Jackson has brought to life in these films, and that continues in "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey." It really does seem like fate that Jackson would be the filmmaker who ended up making the films, since I can't imagine what they would have looked like shot anywhere besides New Zealand. The way they blend the real and the unreal is seamless at this point, and there are some remarkable images in the film, some remarkable places. The Dwarf Kingdom of Erebor, for example, is a truly wondrous place when we see the story of how it fell to the dragon Smaug, and there is a sequence set on a mountain pass involving Stone Giants that is surreal and beautiful. I think fantasy cinema in general is richer for sequences like these existing, and they totally justify the return to Middle Earth.
But by its very nature, "The Hobbit" is more episodic, and in addition to that dinner sequence at the start of the film, there is a detour to Rivendell that features some great moments (Christopher Lee is marvelous and seems to savor every word he delivers), but that also seems to go on and on and on. Pacing is an issue in this film in a way that it never struck me as a problem in any of the three "Lord Of The Rings" movies, and I think part of it is that we just don't end up getting to know these characters as well. While I think Martin Freeman is a tremendously talented comic actor, I am starting to suspect that casting him was perhaps too easy. He gives a very good Martin Freeman performance here, with all the awkward double takes and reaction shots that you'd want from him, but I don't know much more about Bilbo now than I did at the start of the three hours. With "Lord Of The Rings," it always felt like the films were carefully calibrated to give every character the moments that would help define them, but this time out, it feels more like a big group of characters that we don't really know, doing things with fairly low stakes overall. Bilbo seems to join them on a whim, not out of any particular driving need, and it makes him less interesting as a central figure.
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Next 80 CommentsBrendan
December 4, 2012 at 1:12AM EST Reply to CommentI read a lot of your issues Drew and what strikes me is that while they are very real problems they are also EXACTLY the 'problems' that marked the book. It is episodic and has a start-stop pacing and it is loaded with characters that are just sort of there. Bilbo joing the company on a whim is kind of exactly what Bilbo did in the book. While I have no doubt in your raising an issue with them, I wonder how much Jackson et. al could have changed before they weren't even making THE HOBBIT anymore.
drew They are definitely problems with the source material, too, and I'm well aware of how much heavy lifting PJ and Fran and Philippa have to do to make these work as movies. With "LOTR," it felt seamless, and here, it still feels like a lot of set pieces with connective tissue that is less successful.
December 4, 2012 at 1:44AM ESTtoby_wan
December 4, 2012 at 1:27AM EST Reply to CommentBefore people start freaking out and attacking you, I just want to say that I've always appreciated your intelligent, thoughtful and even-keeled approach to reviews, no matter the film. And I thank you for all the work that goes into doing just that.
Roadshow Reply to comment...
December 4, 2012 at 11:22AM ESTRoadshow Damn.
December 4, 2012 at 11:26AM ESTJust wanted to second the above whole heartedly.
Drew's reviews are thoughtful and insightful and always add to my understanding of a film, whether I agree or not.
I'm especially glad to be able to escape the natural hyperbole surrounding this movie here. Thank you.
Yeah, I love The Hobbit as a book. It's lots of fun and that is very different in tone to the trilogy so it is hard to imagine this book spread over 2/3 movies.
I suppose Jackson has earned my trust though.
I'll be there opening night.
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Joe
December 4, 2012 at 1:37AM EST Reply to CommentThis is more or less what I was expecting with "The Hobbit". I still think 3 films is nonsensical, and there are lots of issues I have with the books that I thought would translate into the film, and it seems they do. That said, when I go to see this film I'm not going to be grumpy - Ill be a the 13 year old me again who couldn't wait to see more from middle-earth.
Richard M And that is unquestionably the greatest problem, if the early reviews like Drew's are to be believed. It's too simple of a story spread out over too much film time, and the addition of extra Tolkien canon narratives into it to flesh it out makes the problem of a cohesive narrative more difficult, not less. Two movies, especially clocking in at 3 hours plus each, was already a serious stretch. The decision to move to three movies is being seen, and will be seen, as a critical mistake - unless, of course, the only motive was to make more money. And while I'm a cynic, I know enough about Peter Jackson to believe that was not the sole or even major motive.
December 5, 2012 at 12:55PM ESTBeef Supreme
December 4, 2012 at 1:37AM EST Reply to CommentI thought "Fellowship of the ring" was dull and unexciting, and because of that I actually skipped The Two Towers completely until the EE of it was shown theatrically the week before ROTK opened. I now regard TTT:EE as one of the top 5 movies I have ever seen (still don't care much for FOTR).
So with that in mind, I like that the expectations are set more modestly for The Hobbit than they were for LOTR... at least for me. So thanks for keeping them in check, Drew, I have a feeling I might enjoy it all the more because of it.
David
December 4, 2012 at 1:39AM EST Reply to CommentExcellent review as always. Your FotR review was first time I had ever paid attention to a review; indeed, I have followed you ever since. You have elevated your work to an art form and I appreciate what you do. Good points on the travails of following up on what is essentially a perfect film. I hope the HFR was a projection issue because I have hope for the format
John G.
December 4, 2012 at 1:40AM EST Reply to CommentWill we be able to watch it in 48FPS 2D? Or are they only offering the higher frame rate for 3D screenings?
drew It is, to the best of my knowledge, only for 3D screenings.
December 4, 2012 at 1:45AM ESTJohn G. That's disappointing. I will definitely see the movie and was very curious about the new frame rate, but I'm not sure my eyes can handle 3 hours of 3D.
December 4, 2012 at 2:12AM ESTBananaman That's actually and interesting point. 48fps would definitely benefit 2D as well.
December 4, 2012 at 3:04AM ESTblue_flames My wife was reading something the other day (I don't know where tho, sorry) about there being 6 different releases , 24 & 48 in 2d & 3d + 2 imax variations.
December 4, 2012 at 4:13PM ESTDave Brown There's lots of show time options available:
December 10, 2012 at 7:46PM EST1. PLF (large screen) 3D HFR
2. 3D HFR
3. 3D
4. 2D
FranklynStreet
December 4, 2012 at 1:48AM EST Reply to CommentI had a similar experience watching Fellowship that you seem to have for The Hobbit. But I was fully on board for The Two Towers and Return-- at least up until the point we got the ridiculous 17 endings.
But by nature, The Hobbit isn't on the same scale as Rings. It's a much smaller, and yet more episodic, adventure story. When I heard they splitting this into two films, and then three, I got increasingly worried. It's still Jackson, and he's still a visionary, so I'm sure it will still be great on many levels and worth watching. But an adaptation of The Hobbit likely would have been better served by making one long film and getting everything done in one sitting, and making sure there was no fat on the bone. Spreading it over three films, and adding all of the fat from the appendices and additional writings, just seems like a very bad idea to me. That wanting to be a completist on Jackson's part I don't think can serve The Hobbit in the same way it served LoTR.
mgrabois
December 4, 2012 at 2:20AM EST Reply to CommentDrew, what were your reviews like for the second and third LOTR movies?
I think "Hobbit" has to suffer somewhat as compared to "LOTR" because of the nature of the books themselves. Jackson & Co had to cut material out to get the three books into three movies, while they had to add and pad to get one book into two (and then) three for "Hobbit". I'm not super-familiar with the source material - I've read each a few times over the years, but not since "Return of the King" - so how distracting is the material from the Appendices and whatnot as seen in "Hobbit"? Do you think they could have told the story in two movies, or even one?
Cleave The material that they are adding tells the story of Gandalf meeting with the White Council and fighting the Necromancer in Dol Guldur when he left Bilbo and the Dwarves in Mirkwood. As he is back for the conclusion, I'd imagine that story will be played out in the next film. The added stuff in this one serves to set up those events.
December 17, 2012 at 3:15PM ESTI absolutely loved the Hobbit, and I don't really see how they could have changed that much without making it feel like it wasn't true to the story. There are pacing issues I guess but it's definitely the first part of the story rather than something more standalone, which won't be a problem when the complete trilogy has been released.
mridge1
December 4, 2012 at 2:24AM EST Reply to CommentI just can't get enthused for this film. I'll obviously see it but it just doesn't seem to be on the level of the LOTR films.
Feydaway
December 4, 2012 at 2:26AM EST Reply to CommentHow does the "riddles in the dark" sequence play at 48 FPS? Honestly, that is the only sequence that interests me in that format (for this film). Smaug and the battle of the 5 armies would also interest me (if they do it).
guest I am not a Gollum fan, but his scenes are the only ones that work in this movie, really.
December 4, 2012 at 9:52PM ESTBigAl6ft6
December 4, 2012 at 2:55AM EST Reply to CommentQuick, Drew! Go back in time a year and tell your past-self that you gave a higher rating to "Ted" over "The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey" and tell us what his reaction is (after past-you gets over the fact that time-travel is real when talking to future-you)
Kaeper
December 4, 2012 at 3:21AM EST Reply to CommentUnsurprised given that the Hobbit is a short book that's been stretched out to 3x3hr movies. Two movies tops and we could have had a nice tight tale. None of the appendix story in LOTR is needed for the Hobbit tale and no additional reimagining by Jackson is needed ever.
Kasch
December 4, 2012 at 3:45AM EST Reply to CommentIt wasn't just an issue with your projection. I felt the "1.5x" feeling at my screening as well which made it harder to focus on some of the action. As entertaining as the film was, I couldn't shake the fact that it looked like a BBC special. Overall, I agree with every word of this review.
Eyes A lot of the feedback about the HFR on The Hobbit sounds like something is really wrong. The comparison to BBC dramas comes from the fact that for many years their standard format was 50fps interlaced, but for the past decade or so the premium look for TV dramas everywhere has been 24/25 fps, because it has been achievable digitally. Yes, 24fps is the goal and the sweet spot, not the limitation.
December 4, 2012 at 10:43PM ESTThis is in fact the opposite of what Peter Jackson has been saying. His claim is that filmmakers were stuck with 24fps since the 1920s because of technical limitations and the price of film stock. He says it's forced on directors, not an aesthetic choice. Unfortunately, that's just wrong, because HFR formats have been around for a long time (various types of HDTV, and on film via Maxivision48, etc). And there's no shortage of directors who opted for video and HFR, like Peter Greenaway, Michael Mann and David Lynch. Everyone agrees that those movies look awful beyond words, and usually when directors talk about why they like the format they say video cameras were more convenient to use than film cameras. I don't like the way Peter Jackson is misrepresenting the history of the medium in order to sell a gimmick that nobody asked for.
Darren
December 4, 2012 at 4:58AM EST Reply to CommentThere are 13 Dwarfs, a lot but not 6000. That kind of hyperbole isn't clever or funny.
Marquan Really, dude? Hyperbole is a well established rhetorical device and I thought it was a least a little funny. Are you concerned that anyone will actually think there are 6000 dwarves and freak out?
December 4, 2012 at 5:03AM ESTDarren I know there are not 6000 dwarfs. It is similar to saying 'zillions' when trillion or billion will do. I get that there a lot of dwarfs but the fellowship was nine characters deep, an extra few isn't that hard for an audience to remember, and Two Towers and Return of the King added even more character and yet if asked to name the main characters of the LOTR trilogy I don't think I'd have trouble naming 20. The dwarfs may not be well used (and they will have more time in the next two films) but there is no need for the hyperbole of a ten year old.
December 4, 2012 at 6:21AM ESTAxel Foley I thought it was amusing and contributed to the point Drew was making.
December 4, 2012 at 6:27AM ESTMarquan I agree it's not that hard to keep track of 13 characters. I don't think that Drew was suggesting any dwarves be eliminated from the movie; rather he was saying the introduction scene should have been compressed for narrative economy. It's also very different from saying 'zillions,' which is childish since it is not a real number, when Drew is making a metaphorical point highlighting the interminable nature of the scene. Personally I think I might enjoy the scene since I love the book, but a movie review is addressing a different set of criteria than whether you or I might like the movie.
December 4, 2012 at 8:06AM ESTBeef Supreme You're a zillion times less clever and funny.
December 4, 2012 at 11:43AM ESTPlus you should at least acknowledge that Harry Knowles Dwarf is funny.
Dave I I think the hyperbole was apt. It made the point that there were a lot of dwarves, and that if they bumped up the number by four dwarves and never really gave them much to do warranting their creation for the films, why bother? It sounds as if it detracts from the movie making more characters to remember that are notable for doing nothing. Even if the series rebounds and makes them great (all thirteen dwarves) or kills off some to heighten the stakes and make the remaining nine from the story important, it still ended up being ineffective for this ~three hour movie. A smaller, more intimate cast (or at least just focusing on the more integral characters) makes them each worth more, or at least makes for a much less sprawling story. If you have thirteen dwarves and none of them do much, why bother adding them?
December 4, 2012 at 1:05PM EST-Cheers
Marquan Dave, just FYI, there are 13 dwarves in the book and 13 in the movie.
December 4, 2012 at 1:48PM ESTDave I @Marquan, sorry. It's been a long time since I read the book. I am fine being wrong and can recant that point. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
December 4, 2012 at 2:14PM EST-Cheers
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December 4, 2012 at 5:27PM ESTvicdigital There are zillions of trolls in the movie, and apparently, there's at least one in the comments section of this review...
December 4, 2012 at 5:29PM ESTRae VCDIGITAL, are you saying the OP is a troll simply because he disagrees with the review? The world revolves on differences of opinion.
December 7, 2012 at 6:28AM ESTAxel Foley
December 4, 2012 at 6:20AM EST Reply to CommentI had no idea the Tolkien estate disapproved of the LOTR trilogy. Does anybody have any idea why?
Mark Erm, did you see the movies?
December 4, 2012 at 6:38AM ESTAxel Foley Yes, they were brilliant, respectful and helped sell a gazillion more books and make a bazillion more fans. What was not to love?
December 4, 2012 at 7:28AM ESTMark You have to see it from the point of view of Christopher Tolkien. To him the words of his father are sacrosant. Jackson's changes and adaptations are viewed by Christopher as a vandalisation of his father's works. Changing the characters of Aragorn and Faramir, having Arwen content to leave Aragorn until she founds out they have a child, those kinds of changes are kind of unforgivable to the Tolkien family, along with the dumbing down of the work into an American action-adventure blockbuster format.
December 4, 2012 at 7:34AM ESTI enjoyed the films for what they are but it is clear to see why some members of the Tolkien family would be horrified by what happened to the books.
Roadshow Here's a link to an interview with Christopher Tolkien from the French newspaper Le Monde. (Tolkien lives in France.)
December 4, 2012 at 1:01PM ESThttp://www.lemonde.fr/culture/article/2012/07/05/tolkien-l-anneau-de-la-discorde_1729858_3246.html
Naturally, it's in French but you can use Chrome or Google Translate to read it and you'll get a fairly good idea of where he's coming from.
I can see where he's coming from but I also think he is willfully failing to see the good Jackson has brought to his father's work in terms of attention on it.
Mark Here's the English translation:
December 4, 2012 at 1:17PM ESThttp://sedulia.blogs.com/sedulias_translations/2012/07/was-first-felt.html
And the key passage:
'Invited to meet Peter Jackson, the Tolkien family preferred not to. Why? "They eviscerated the book by making it an action movie for young people 15 to 25," Christopher says regretfully. "And it seems that The Hobbit will be the same kind of film."
This divorce has been systematically reactivated by the movies. "Tolkien has become a monster, devoured by his own popularity and absorbed into the absurdity of our time," Christopher Tolkien observes sadly. "The chasm between the beauty and seriousness of the work, and what it has become, has overwhelmed me. The commercialisation has reduced the esthetic and philosophical impact of the creation to nothing. There is only one solution for me: turning my head away."'
Dave I Not to be insensitive, however I am not entirely sure what Christopher Tolkien has to complain about. I thought The Lord of the Rings was a pretty reasonably accurate transcription from book to movie. It was about as accurate & faithful as you could expect in Hollywood. I am not sure I buy into the "action movie for young people 15 to 25" argument. And as for commercialisation? I read part of the translated version and it seems like some of that has to do with the movie effecting the art of the books, video games, etc.
December 4, 2012 at 1:41PM ESTHere is where I disagree. First, if Jackson offered to meet them and they said no, they lost any real way to influence his vision of The Hobbit, at least. Also, the book is still there for anybody who wants to read it. These movies increased awareness, and yes sales, which also increased readership. Thus increasing the philosophical impact. I know because I was substitute teaching and some relatively-troubled high school kids were reading The Hobbit and the LotR novels as a direct result of the movies. That "[a]esthetic and philosophical impact" is nil if the story does not reach them. It also seems like a case of them wanting to control how the story is told/viewed. If/once you have sold the rights to Hollywood, that is gone. However, the books are still there for people to read.
I am also not sure I believe the basic philosophical message or most of the major components of the story were at all changed in the movie. Sure, there were changes, and some bothered me or had me questioning it. However, the overall story was the same. Thankfully less singing. I am curious what others (including Christopher Tolkien, but fans of the books at large) could/should have been done differently? I mean, I thought Jackson did a pretty good job bringing a pretty dense trilogy of books to the big screen. There have certainly been much, much, much worse translations. Besides, it seems wrong for Christopher Tolkien to criticize what could very well be taken as Peter Jackson's interpretation of J.R.'s works.
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Axel Foley Thanks for the links guys!
December 4, 2012 at 2:24PM ESTDave, i agree with every word you just said. You saved me the 15 minutes it would've taken me to write the same thing only less succinctly than you did.
ushaped @Dave I, couldn't agree more. I tend to think Christopher Tolkien's opinion to be worthless. J.R.R. only wrote four Middle Earth books. The family and Christopher specifically, were the first to exploit these works with the publication of journals and writings J.R.R. never meant to publish. Christopher has even gone so far as to write Middle Earth novels himself. In this light, I feel the family cannot be considered to be the protector of J.R.R.'s interests.
December 4, 2012 at 9:29PM ESTnic919 I did not realize that Tolkien's family hated the LOTR movies so much. While not perfect, LOTR is about as good as you can get in terms of adapting the novels for film, especially in a fantasy setting and yet preserving the spirit of the text. I think Christopher Tolkien just needs to get over himself. If Shakespeare and Jane Austen can have their works adapted to film, then changes can be made to the Tolkien oeuvre. I have read the novels and watched the films and while I have concerns about the Hobbit being split in three, I think the LOTR films were very good adaptations of the novels.
December 4, 2012 at 9:46PM ESTAxel Foley
December 4, 2012 at 6:31AM EST Reply to CommentOh, while I'm in the posting mood - excellent review by the way Drew, as always. I don't always agree with your opinions but I always appreciate how put them across and that's what keeps me coming back. Keep up the good work!
cornholio1980
December 4, 2012 at 7:05AM EST Reply to CommentGreat review, as usual. I really was excited to hear your opinion on "The Hobbit", and it's pretty much what I expected. It can and never will be as good as LOTR, for multiple reasons. Despite the hype, for many it came out of the blue, and totally surprised them. The story is just far more dramatic and the stakes far higher. I knew from the beginning that those would be issues, and that everyone that expects LOTR 2 sets himself up for disappointment. The Hobbit trilogy can never be as goot as the Lord of the Rings trilogy, simply because the novels are so far apart quality-wise. I except this gap to shorten considerably with the movies, however.
I can't describe how incredibly sad I was when ROTK came to an end. The thought of never coming back to middle earth (at least not on the big screen; and by that I mean seeing a "new" adventure, not revisiting the old ones) devastated me. Going by your review, I will get exactly what I hoped for: Another adventure in middle earth, smaller in scope and scale, with smaller stakes, and not the same level of excitement, but still an enjoyable journey through a land that I've come to love.
Dennis
December 4, 2012 at 7:10AM EST Reply to CommentBugger!! Drew just listed the problems with this film, and it was the exact same fears i have had through the production, not enough on stake compared to LOTR, and to many dwarves-to-care-for-problem. I really hoped it would not be an issue, but i guess it is.
At the beginning PJ announced 20 questions on his FB like he did on LOTR, it only amounted to one question unfortunately, but the one i asked - was how would he keep the timeless quality of LOTR in the Hobbit now that he's shooting digital and 3D. Because i do really believe that one of the reasons that LOTR resonated with such a large audience was off course a great story and the wit to handle it just right, but also to manage the effect in such a way that it looked timeless, it almost looked as if it was shot the same time as Lawrence of Arabia or something. I have booked tickets to a HFR 3D Screening because i defintely want to see it like PJ intended, but i'm beginning to fear that we might not get the return to this magical world we all wanted....
i really hope i don't agree with drew after seeing this...
Eyes
December 4, 2012 at 7:20AM EST Reply to CommentIt sounds a lot like the problems come out of the way these movies are made. Hundreds of people rely on Jackson for work, so he conceives his movies as elaborate VFX showcases (I recently heard that these movies will cost a _billion_ dollars. How far wrong is that?). Nobody dares question his judgement. This suits his aesthetics because he's never seen an effect he can't overuse. Every sky is painted over, every shot overcluttered, and the more of everything the merrier. Nothing feels convincing because he either doesn't know or doesn't care that computer graphics is still, and will be for a long time, a poor substitute for reality.
The sad thing is that Mr. Jackson really can do better. As someone who has followed his career right from the start, at the first showings of Bad Taste outside New Zealand, I know he can make entertaining movies. But he can't perform properly at this scale. The story seems to serve the production, not the other way around.
BobT
December 4, 2012 at 7:29AM EST Reply to CommentThe sped up feeling sounds worrisome. I found a website wich had upconverted one of the trailers into 48 fps. It had a very technical explanation how it was done so it seemed legit. At the same time they noted it wasn't a completely accurate portrayal of how it would look in theatres.
So I while the image did look smoother, I figured the sped up look was just something that was a side effect of the attempt to upconvert existing images.
But now I underdstand that the actual movie also has that problem? That's going to be a huge problem for me if I were to see the movie in that format.
Andrew
December 4, 2012 at 7:48AM EST Reply to CommentOn repeat viewings of the LotR movies I find certain parts of the pacing drag. I figured stretching the Hobbit to 8-9 hours would only amplify that effect.
I was 5 when the animated Hobbit came on television in 1977. I'm 40 now and still watch that. It really does feel like an epic adventure even though its only 77 minutes long.
Show that to your kids Drew. It's still great.
Fawst
December 4, 2012 at 8:17AM EST Reply to CommentUgh, I was really looking forward to 48fps, but it sounds from your description like it's that same BS they have on newer TV's with "motion smoothing." Yeah, panning shots look great, but everything else looks like it's running in fast-forward. The first time I ever saw it was on a plasma at Best Buy showing an episode of Lost. I thought the broadcast was messed up or the TV was broken, so it sounds like 48fps is more of the same. It's not revolutionary and it's certainly not "good." What a disappointment.
JerryPolock
December 4, 2012 at 8:49AM EST Reply to Comment"Your kids may be different, but if you have any question or hesitation, I would urge you to see it first. You'll be glad you did."
If my parents did that to me as a kid, go see it without me, there would be hell to pay and they would still be being emotionally punished for it to this day.
Shawn
December 4, 2012 at 11:00AM EST Reply to CommentThats too bad that it isn't a great re-telling of The Hobbit. I do understand all your points Drew, and I appreciate the review. I will still see it, because I am very curious. And at least you saying its good is good enough for me to still check it out. Not as big of expectations though as before..
Mark
December 4, 2012 at 11:27AM EST Reply to Comment"it is so big, so crazy, so non-stop that I had trouble accepting that any of the characters would actually make it through it intact"
Sounds exactly like the Brontosaur stampede in King Kong. There are times when Jackson's More-is-More approach works. The T-Rex attack with Kong went to another exhilarating level when it moved to the swinging vines. But that doesn't always work and it is what gives Jackson's films a feeling of indulgence that tests the patience of less forgiving viewers.
velocityknown
December 4, 2012 at 11:46AM EST Reply to CommentI mean, the problem with The Hobbit, as you mentioned is that it's about all the little stories that take place during the larger one because those little stories don't necessarily connect to the larger one.
Peter Jackson and Co cut all of the little stories that no one cared about in the LOTR trilogy out of the movie. It's not really a surprise, though it is unfortunate, that a 300 page booked being stretched into 3 movies has pacing issues.
As for the 48fps, I don't know if we'll ever understand what Jackson's team wanted out of that move. It makes no sense to shoot a movie at 48fps and it makes even less sense to posit it as a technological innovation when all they're doing is changing a setting on a camera.
velocityknown Oh, and great review, Drew.
December 4, 2012 at 11:47AM ESTprettok Have you ever met a Tolkein fan? There are no "little stories that no one cares about" in his books. There are oddballs out there who are furious that non-entities like Glorfindel, Fatty Bolger and Gan-buri-gan were left out of the movies!
December 4, 2012 at 2:54PM ESTvelocityknown "No one cared about" might be too broad. But those kinds of Tolkein fans are far and few between and most have no problems with not seeing those kinds of stories moved to the big screen.
December 4, 2012 at 5:33PM ESTDave I
December 4, 2012 at 11:51AM EST Reply to CommentA Harry Knowles Dwarf, eh? Does he constantly refer to things in overtly sexual terms as well?
As for the movie itself... Part of me wants to see this, and I was cool letting Peter Jackson make two or three movies out of The Hobbit. Particularly if they're adding stuff from the appendix (or whatever) of the LotR trilogy, or wherever. However, I dislike the notion of a ton of characters who we never really know, or the inclusion of old cliche's and tropes, a protagonist who seems to be there because that's what's written and not because they gave any reason for them to be there (what is this, Revolution?). Also, if it feels like they are trying to outdo the LotR trilogy of films to the extent that it plays like The Matrix with save points instead of just telling the story that was good enough to make The Hobbit such a classic story, and set in a world where the victories seemed hard-fought and with consequences... What is the point?
I hope they pull it off as a series. I really just want a solid telling of the story that ties it into the LotR series. If they try too hard, they are going to lose a lot of what made The Hobbit special in the first place, and it will not fit into the larger series/world/whatever as a whole.
-Cheers
Dave I
December 4, 2012 at 11:54AM EST Reply to CommentIs there any good article or quick summary to the problems or reasoning behind why the Tolkien family hated the original trilogy (Lort of the Rings, not Star Wars) so much? I had not heard that and am just curious what their beef was with them.
-Cheers
Dave I Scratch that, I missed the thread by Axel above where an interview was linked. Sorry.
December 4, 2012 at 1:06PM EST-Cheers
Monty Jack
December 4, 2012 at 12:01PM EST Reply to CommentAre the end credits for this really SIXTEEN MINUTES long?!
haarp
December 4, 2012 at 12:09PM EST Reply to CommentOh god.. the hobbit is getting slaughtered
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