Joe Carnahan appears to be done with 'Daredevil' reboot
A few Tweets make it look like the director is moving on
The crazy part? This is an actual photo of Carnahan during a recent pitch meeting at Fox. That's how into this movie he was.
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And just like that, the promise of Joe Carnahan's gritty '70s-based take on "Daredevil" appears to be a thing of the past.
Word recently leaked about a proposed deal between Fox and Marvel that would have extended the life of the "Daredevil" option for Fox in exchange for them allowing Marvel to use some of the characters that are included in the various rights packages that Fox has under option, specifically Galactus, who is still bundled in with the "Fantastic Four" property.
It appears that will no longer be the case.
If you check out Carnahan's Twitter timeline, you can see the conversations he's been having for the last few days, and it certainly seemed like Daredevil was on his mind. At one point, he told a fan "DD fans would be very pleased if they saw the things I've seen of late. Very, VERY pleased…" He also discussed some of his own feelings about how to portray the character. "You have to deal with the fact that he IS blind," he told one person who brought up the idea of Daredevil's other senses being supercharged to such a degree that his blindness didn't matter. "He can't be super-charged and seeing 'sound' through walls. That's bulls**t."
I love that Carnahan has not had that blunt, uncompromising attitude of his dulled by years of playing the development game in Hollywood. He's still very much the guy we first spoke to around the time "Narc" came out, and he's one of those people who doesn't seem to play the game by tiptoeing around things. If he's got something on his mind, he spills it.
That's why it's discouraging to read his tweets from last night.
"Think my idea for a certain retro, red-suited, Serpico-styled superhero went up in smoke today kids."
"We shall see. Time is NOT on anyone's side."
That's true. If Fox doesn't pin down a plan to extend their option by October, that's it. Game over. Marvel gets the rights back and Fox loses the character permanently. I wish we had some idea of what happened that ended Carnahan's ambitions for the character. This is not uncommon, though, this kind of a near-miss in developing a film. Carnahan's certainly had more than his fair share, too. I'm sure he'll rebound nicely, but this is going to be one of those great unanswered "What if?" moments, and that's a shame. I'd love to have seen what he was working on, and if the rights revert to Marvel, I doubt we'll see any version of the film any time soon.
For now, content yourself with the sizzle reel that Carnahan prepared for the studio, which he just released via YouTube:
Oh, well. Maybe next time.
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August 14, 2012 at 4:38PM EST Reply to CommentWell, maybe Marvel would make the Daredevil movie Carnahan is interested in...
Lando I was going to say that, from his tweets, he has a very good understanding of DD. Here is hoping all the licenses go back to Marvel sooner than later.
August 14, 2012 at 5:15PM ESTreno
August 14, 2012 at 5:45PM EST Reply to Comment"He can't be super-charged and seeing 'sound' through walls. That's bulls**t."
So he can't be Daredevil then? Maybe I'm glad this isn't happening. Should be interesting to see what Marvel does with Daredevil.
BigAl6ft6
August 14, 2012 at 8:52PM EST Reply to CommentGood for Carnahan for being blunt but, yeah, the character can hear through walls with his superpowers and all. It's not a fanboy nitpick, it's what the character can do. It's not quite "Superman can't fly" but, y'know, close.
cultstatus
August 14, 2012 at 10:28PM EST Reply to CommentGlad Marvel got Daredevil back. But I think the best idea would be to keep him in a cameo/team up role. At least re-introduce him that way.
Sean
August 15, 2012 at 12:17AM EST Reply to CommentPersonally, I hope all the properties don't revert back to Marvel. Marvel's shared universe approach is very safe and very family friendly and, ultimately, very forgettable.
Watching Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy made me realize how toothless Marvel is, not just content-wise, but creatively; everything looks the same and feels the same: perfectly pleasant and perfectly boring.
Outside of Marvel Studios we were given an X-men film that took place in a different time period, and was every bit as fun as The Avengers, and we were given Spider-man films that were much darker and introspective than anything hinted at in the Marvel films.
If Daredevil goes back to Marvel, and he's processed into their overarching universe, we'll never get a chance to see the gritty, Hell's Kitchen storyline we've all been hoping for.
tonytr87 Well said, sir. I like Iron Man 1 (and even the sequel to an extent) and The Avengers, but everything else Marvel has made has been mediocre. I'm consistently baffled by the love for Captain America and The Incredible Hulk online. Both boring, utterly unimaginitive schlockfests.
August 15, 2012 at 12:55AM ESTAvengers was the first time they made something on par with the best of the genre (Dark Knight trilogy, Spider-man 2, X-men 2), but I'm not so sure they'll be able to repeat it. The filmmakers they've hired for the Thor and Cap sequels leave a lot to be desired. A tv director and the guys who made You, Me, and Dupree? Really?
reno I agree Marvel's movie approach isn't a promising fit for Daredevil. On the other side of things, Marvel has expressed interest in bringing their characters to TV and Daredevil would be a great fit to do something that stands alone, especially if it were on cable. Marvel ownership allows for things like a guest appearance by Chris Evans if they were to do the Born Again story line, without forcing Daredevil to be a sanitized multiplex product. Being with Marvel allows Bullseye to have the prison scene with Frank Castle before he escapes and kills Elektra. Once you move Daredevil to TV and hopefully get the tone right, being owned by Marvel becomes a benefit as it allows for a greater selection of villains and guest starts to make appearances.
August 15, 2012 at 3:20AM ESTSean That's a great point about the mediocrity of the phase two directors, TONYTR87. Marvel seems to be a company that likes to do things on the cheap (The Avengers was the first film where I think they put their money where their mouth is): why pay high profile directors like Brannagh and Johnston (both of whom probably would have jumped ship anyway because of how creatively stifling Marvel is by the way they structure this overarching universe of theirs), when you can hire mediocre directors who can churn out a product for you by deadline?
August 15, 2012 at 1:17PM ESTAnd I think that's why Marvel wouldn't go for a Daredevil TV show, Reno (though I think it's an awesome idea). Even though they've talked about creating a TV line, I think they have too much business sense to risk it; Action/Sci-fi/Superhero shows are basically nonexistent in this market, and the rare one that shows up usually doesn't last a season. And even though a Daredevil TV show would be relatively cheap compared to other characters in the Marvel catalogue, it would still be pretty expensive compared to other shows on TV, especially if they want to retain the look and feel of the comic.
Also, what works in the comics doesn't necessarily work in the real world. Characters skip from comic to comic in the comic book Marvel Universe, like Captain America showing up in Daredevil's Born Again storyline, but every time an actor makes an appearance in a movie or a TV show, Marvel has to pay that actor and that actor fulfills part of his contract.
For instance, let's say Chris Evans is signed on for six films for Marvel; every time he appeared in a film, even if it's just a cameo, that fulfills part of his contractual obligation. If Marvel wanted someone like Evans to appear on a Daredevil TV show, they'd probably have to renegotiate his contract, or pay him an exorbitant sum of money.