Film Nerd 2.0: Universal monsters, Bud and Lou, and something really scary
We go from (Bud) Abbott to (Twilight) Zone to discuss what scares the boys
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One of the conversations we have ongoing right now at Casa De McWeeny is "how scary is too scary"?
It's an important question to ask. My wife is of the opinion that no scary movies is just about the perfect amount for kids who are 7 and 4 years old, respectively. I disagree. I think kids crave stories about monsters and that being scared is an important part of our maturation process as we start to digest the stories we're told.
I don't think you should jump right to "Dawn Of The Dead" for a 3-year-old, of course, but I do think there's a certain amount of anxiety and fear that is enjoyable, especially at a young age when films have a special power over us. You feel films in a different way as a kid. You're still learning about how the world works, and you're still trying to figure out adults, and you're using movies as one of the ways you start to really put those puzzle pieces together.
The question at the start of things is how do you introduce scary material to your kids, and we've experimented with it on several occasions. At the bottom of this article, you'll see links to where I wrote about an early screening of "The Dark Crystal" that absolutely infuriated two-year-old Allen. I wrote about scaring the crap out of both of them in a good way with "Jurassic Park," and their fascination with dinosaurs has only gotten more pronounced since that screening. I wrote about the existential fear that creeped in around the edges of a screening of "Close Encounters," and how I was unprepared for the fear that hit them. I wrote about both the Tim Burton LACMA exhibit and the first screening we had of "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure," and how those scares worked on them.
And in that "Jurassic Park" piece, I wrote briefly about a bad experience we had with "Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein." That is the last movie I would think of as a traumatic horror film. In fact, the whole reason I tried the film for him is because it seemed like the right gateway movie. After all, he had this whole series of monster books that were given to him by his godfather when he was young, each one about a different monster or type of monster, and he was already very familiar with the iconography of the Universal monsters. I figured showing them a movie where the monsters were played mostly for laughs would be a good way to ease them in.
What I didn't count on was how much Toshi identified with Costello. When you think about it, Costello is basically just a big kid. And while the movie is often very funny, the monsters are mostly played straight. Toshi hung with it for a while, but there's a scene in the film where Lawrence Talbot (Lon Chaney Jr.) has locked himself into his hotel room because he knows his transformation is upon him, and he doesn't want to hurt anyone. Costello goes to deliver some luggage in his room, not realizing that Talbot has already changed. As the Wolf Man shadowed Costello around the room, directly behind him, unobserved, Toshi couldn't take it anymore. He stood up and shook his head at me. "No. No, Daddy. I'll watch this when I'm seven." With that, he was gone.
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Login or create a HitFix account Login SignupDaniel S. Duvall
November 14, 2012 at 5:29AM EST Reply to CommentYour boys might enjoy the Tim Conway & Don Knotts vehicle The Private Eyes -- a perfect blend of comedy and spookiness that fascinated me when I was a kid.
drew How funny... I have "The Ghost and Mr. Chicken" already set aside for them soon.
November 14, 2012 at 5:45AM EST
Army of darkness seems like it might just be goofy enough for younger kids to enjoy wwithout being totally freaked out
November 14, 2012 at 9:24AM ESTWires
November 14, 2012 at 6:29AM EST Reply to CommentThat just took me back to my childhood and the original King Kong, I was so scared at the beginning but was in tears when they shot him down at the end, the power of film amplified by youth.
Another great read Drew, thanks for sharing.
James
November 14, 2012 at 7:23AM EST Reply to CommentThat opening to Twilight Zone: The Movie still creeps me out, even as an adult.
Judge Holden
November 14, 2012 at 8:06AM EST Reply to CommentThe Twilight Zone movie does seem a bit intense for kids that young. Even if Toshi had endured the opening, I imagine that the "Nightmare at 20,000 Feet" segment would have caused issues. I'm guessing you wouldn't have discussed the tragic helicopter accident with them either way.
Do you think the kids would enjoy Ghostbusters? Also, sorry in advance if you've already answered this but do you plan on finishing the Bond Declassified series?
Stormshadow4life
November 14, 2012 at 9:33AM EST Reply to Comment1) Are they forcing you to have multiple page clicks for articles now? That's not annoying at all
2) the comments only seem to show up on page 4.
3) New article for Cloud Atlas??????
Monty Jack Honestly, FIVE PAGES for this article? It should have been on two pages at the most. Pretty lame to force readers to click on the same article five times just to sell more advertising space.
November 14, 2012 at 11:19AM EST
It's not as bad as those gallery posts they sometimes make where you have to click like 10 slides or something. That's the worst.
November 15, 2012 at 11:53AM ESTExtraneous_Ed
November 14, 2012 at 10:38AM EST Reply to CommentThis is a constant discussion in my house. I have twin girls who are almost 8, and my son is 18 months younger than the twins. The girls have very different tastes; one is a budding geek who loves Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel movies, etc... The other wants to be a Disney princess. We've waited to watch "Revenge of the Sith" because the kids know there is a scene at the end on "a fire planet", and they all have a pretty strong fear of fire (which I think, honestly, dates back to the end of "Bolt", which freaked them out at that age than anything else they've ever seen).
When "Raiders of the Lost Ark" hit IMAX in Sept., I desperately wanted to take my budding geek (the other 2 thought it would be too scary). We watched the opening 20 minutes about 3 times at home on DVD, and she thought it was awesome. My wife relented, but we had a bet: If the movie was too scary, she got to win every argument about whether they were old enough to watch something for the rest of the school year.
Long story short, she loved it. She actually thought the melting faces were funny. She was laughing about it in the car home. It was interesting too how it provided a real chance to talk about World War II and the Nazis, and introduce her to those concepts.
I won the bet, and she has begging me to watch "Temple of Doom" for months. But I think we're skipping that and going straight to "Last Crusade" for the time being. Melting faces are ok, but I'm not sure she's ready for still beating hearts ripped out of people's chests.
Franko
November 14, 2012 at 12:43PM EST Reply to Commentman, there's no way i would show the twilight zone to kids that young, i think. i mean, The Thing In The Crate? nightmares. i don't envy the fine line you're having to tread here...
drew "The Crate" is a segment in "Creepshow," not "The Twilight Zone," and I agree... "Creepshow" is waaaaaaaaay beyond what they're capable of right now.
November 14, 2012 at 1:20PM ESTFranko oh, doh - you're right. i think i saw them around the same time period, so i guess i got them mixed up in my head.
November 14, 2012 at 1:25PM ESTjeves23 "The Crate" scared the everloving crap out of me as a kid.... still can't watch it.
November 14, 2012 at 1:48PM ESTJeremyWheeler
November 14, 2012 at 1:43PM EST Reply to CommentI totally see where they're coming from with Pirates of Penzance. Grew up with that one on VHS from a young age and can see that a lot of my love for comedy comes from Kline and Tony Azito. Both are incredibly great in that flick and perfect for a kid to love. Another great Film Nerd article, Drew. Thanks.
jeves23
November 14, 2012 at 1:45PM EST Reply to CommentAs always, a great article. I look forward to each new edition of "Film Nerd 2.0". It got me thinking about the stuff that scared me as a kid (The Great Mouse Detective[the peg-legged bat scared the crap out of me], Superman III), and what some of my earliest movie memories are(Jaws, TGMD), and how I watched them, and how they affected me. I have no kids, and so it is a bit of a journey back in time for me when I read these articles.
Also, I recently picked up the Universal Monsters set and finally watched The Wolfman (it was okay), and The Creature from the Black Lagoon, which might just be my favourite now (along with Bride of Frankenstein). There is something about that shot of him swimming under her that is terrifying and beautiful and just creepy; if they ever do a remake (probably only a matter of time) all the colour and CG in world won't be able to match it.
John
November 14, 2012 at 2:50PM EST Reply to CommentSalems Lot, was about 5. the boy flaoting at the window and Mike Ryerson in the rocking chair still, havent been able to watch it since!!! (and im 40)
Solid Muldoon
November 14, 2012 at 7:31PM EST Reply to CommentHave the boys seen The Wizard of Oz? That is the first movie I remember scaring the bejeebus out of me. Flying Monkeys!!!
Noyer
November 14, 2012 at 8:26PM EST Reply to CommentThe first film I ever saw in a theatre is "Who Framed Roger Rabbitt?" and while not a scarry film, at the age of three, the ending of the film with Judge Doom terrified me to no end!
Not sure if you have ever considered this, but one way to further test the waters might be using some classic episodes of "The Outer Limits". Some of the material in the original show is still scares the heck out of me, but some of the episodes might pkay well with your kids. Just leave "The Zanti Misfits" out of pile for now!
Noyer Blasted lack of an editing function! Sorry about the spelling issues.
November 14, 2012 at 8:30PM ESTAdrick
November 15, 2012 at 12:22AM EST Reply to CommentIt's funny that you mention that version of Pirates of Penzance--it's the same one I grew up on and loved and haven't seen in a million years. If they ever get the chance to go, they might enjoy a live Gilbert and Sullivan production.
Paul S
November 15, 2012 at 3:04PM EST Reply to CommentThanks Drew - Another good article.