Film Nerd 2.0: A Tale Of Two 'Spider-Man's
Raimi or Webb... which one do the boys prefer?
Which Spider-Man do you think resonates more with young fans who see both the Raimi and the Webb version back-to-back?
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What ended up tipping things in favor of Webb's film was the simple act of being Spider-Man. While Tobey does a nice job as Peter Parker, there's not a lot of Spider-Man in that first film, and Garfield spends more time in the costume. In addition, I'd argue that Garfield gets the body language right in a way that Maguire never quite nails, and the boys liked watching Spider-Man swing more in the new film. It's a far more physical thing, and when you watch them back to back, you can see the benefits of doing more of an on-set shoot for Spider-Man in costume, and the advances in CGI are also fairly evident.
They missed J. Jonah Jameson in the Webb film, and they both complained about that repeatedly. They didn't care for Gwen's father as played by Denis Leary, and Toshi pointed out that he though he was just like JJJ, but less funny. "He's even got his haircut, daddy," Toshi observed. Allen thought the Lizard was far more frightening than the Green Goblin was, but he appreciated that. He thinks bad guys should be scary, and at this point, if he's not creeped out by a bad guy in a film, he considers that a mistake.
Once again, when we finished, Toshi took to the IMDb, and in the morning, I found another review waiting for me, finished while I was still sleeping.
I noticed how close his second review was in format to his first, and this time, I saw the notes he made about what information to include and how many paragraphs to write. I love how seriously he took this as an assignment, even if it was one he gave to himself.
"The Amazing Spider-man
Directed by Marc Webb
Written by James Vanderbilt Alvin Sargent Steve Kloves
I saw The Amazing Spider Man. I saw it at my house. I love it. I watched it with my brother and my fater.
The movie is about a kid who becomes a spider dude. Andrew Garfield as PETER PARKER. Emma Stone as GWEN STACY. Rhys Ifans is THE LIZARD DOCTOR CURT CONNERS and he is also a CGI. That is so he can be a Lizard. Martin Sheen is UNCLE BEN and he does a good job talking about how Peter can be good, and I liked him so it was bad that he got killed. Campbell Scott is RICHARD PARKER who is Peter's father, and he has a mother named Mary too. They are gone when he is young because they are killed by somebody, and Peter is SAD.
The movie is a little funny and scary.
It was on blu-ray and it sounded really good.
I like it a lot. The movie made me think I would be like him. It made me learn that being a hero. We know Richard Parker made the spider that turned Peter Parker in to Spider man. It is a very good movie. I like the Lizard and he has A BIG BALD HEAD.
That is great."
That's right, Ebert. Someone's gunning for your Pulitzer, and his name is Toshi.
More than anything, it seemed like the two films ended up blurring into one big Spider-Man themed weekend for them, and in the conversations we've had since, it's obvious that there are events that they've got mixed up, things they thought happened in one that actually happened in the other. They're excited to know they still have two more Maguire films to see and a new Garfield film about to start production. I figure by the time "The Amazing Spider-Man 2" rolls around, they will have managed to make sense of the two different continuities.
The most important thing about the weekend we spent with Peter Parker, though, took place the Monday morning after we watched them. I took the boys to school to drop them off, and as soon as I got the car door open, Toshi was out and on the move, running to join his classmates. I saw him swoop down on the two boys who like to run things, and he jumped over them, landing like Spider-Man in an action pose, facing the two of them.
"You know what?!" he yelled. "I'M A NERD!" Cackling, he ran off, his Batman backpack bouncing along behind him, happy as could be. He certainly is, and I couldn't be any prouder.
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January 29, 2013 at 1:32AM EST Reply to CommentExcellent as always! Thanks for sharing these, Drew!
Mojo CoCo
January 29, 2013 at 1:40AM EST Reply to CommentI love these so much. They just give me the biggest smile.
How great would it be if Toshi ended up becoming involved in the industry like Drew and was able to point back to these columns as a record of his lifelong love of film?
Jennifer J.
January 29, 2013 at 3:01AM EST Reply to CommentI adored this, Drew! Thank you for sharing these with us. So much joy!
Bananaman
January 29, 2013 at 4:30AM EST Reply to CommentGreat stuff.
Scudman
January 29, 2013 at 5:28AM EST Reply to CommentAmazing stuff Drew, I wonder what 'medium' Toshi will be creating movie reviews for in another ten years? Will the internet still exist as it does now, or will something even more mind-blowing have taken over?
I'm a bit sad to see Sony got it right though, at least for the target audience. I'm still Team Tobes. ;)
goodhorse I'm team Tobey as well - at least for Peter Parker. But I think it was more a result of what Garfield had to work with and the tone they took with the pic than anything else.
January 29, 2013 at 7:51PM ESTI also agree with Nick (below) that number 2 was the best overall so far. Doc Ock as performed by A Molina was superb! And the scene on the train after Spidey has saved the passengers was a classic bit of Marvel.
Nick
January 29, 2013 at 7:06AM EST Reply to CommentThat's really fascinating and sweet. I hope they enjoy Spider-Man 2 - for my money it's the clear pick of the bunch and maybe my favourite superhero movie of all.
John
January 29, 2013 at 7:22AM EST Reply to CommentWonderful to know we have someone to carry on your voice when your gone Drew. I hope that one day my kids will enjoy Toshi's reviews as much as we all enjoy yours. Cheers
Intellectual Ninja
January 29, 2013 at 9:55AM EST Reply to CommentWhat a great column... I love every time I read FilmNerd2.0. It never disappoints.
Questions for you Drew:
Have you yet had to handle any issues where your boys really disagree on a film, i.e.: if one really likes something and the other really doesn't, and the idea of healthy disagreement and how that's okay (doesn't make one dumb for liking/not liking, that kind of thing)?
Also, have you run into any issues where your boys really like something and you don't, or vice-versa? Or are they still taking their queues on what to like from Dad? (I know that was big with my and my little brother growing up... we loved the films our dad loved) If I remember correctly, you dislike the Goonies, but they liked it (being they were the more correct age than you when you saw the film first), correct? Has anything like that happened since then?
And lastly... when we gonna get the Back to the Future FilmNerd2.0? I know it's out there! Where is it? ;-)
drew The "Back To The Future" one is next. Coming soonish.
January 29, 2013 at 3:04PM ESTAnd, yeah, Toshi definitely is starting to assert his own interests in things. Right now, he is in love with the "Diary Of A Wimpy Kid" books and movies, and I'm not interested at all in those. I think they're harmless, but uninteresting, while Toshi adores them, and he's been inspired to keep a diary of his own as a result. There are other things, like some Lego ninja show they love, that I have trouble watching for more than five minutes. In the end, all I can ever do is hope to introduce them to things, pay attention to what they enjoy, and steer them towards more things they'll enjoy as well.
Lando
January 29, 2013 at 10:39AM EST Reply to CommentProof that Nerd parents are the best kind of parents.
Randy
January 29, 2013 at 10:40AM EST Reply to CommentDrew,
You, Sir, are awesome.
VLaszlo
January 29, 2013 at 11:51AM EST Reply to CommentMade my day, sir. This column is probably my favorite film writing online anywhere. Such a wonderful combination of seeing films through young eyes, your own commentary on revisiting those films, and the way their perception can affect yours. Keep on fighting the good fight.
Paul S
January 29, 2013 at 11:55AM EST Reply to CommentAnother good one Drew.
simonpod
January 29, 2013 at 12:47PM EST Reply to CommentLove the article, Drew as always. But: a question I've been pondering and don't have the answer to yet, so it's not a criticism, necessarily... As a professional screenwriter, I'm sure you don't buy pirate DVDs of films; but what about the ethics of scanning a comic book and then sharing it? Sure, it's no different to ripping a CD for somebody from your hard drive; even though that's at the benign end of IT sharing, it is still technically a theft (as in: it could be argued that a person, without the ripped copy, might actually go out and buy the CD). One could argue that your friend has made a "pirate" copy of a comic: now, in your case, that was a scan of property that you'd already bought, and I think that's your right to do so; but the two of you also shared each others' comics, without the other person buying the original (you can see where I'm going with this...). Which means no money going into independent comic book shops, from back issue sales, or revenue going to either the comic book companies or, as a percentage, to the creators... When Marvel digitizes its comic books, however, it does so in a way that is designed to make money for the publishing house, thereby supporting the business (not that I'm remotely concerned about Marvel's bottom line. As a long time comic book nerd I still bristle at their treatment of Kirby and their whole stable of creators like re: royalties). As I say, I'm not trying to be provocative - and of course the do-it-yourself copying is hardly an attempt to defraud anybody or make money from re-sales - just wondering about ethics in an increasingly digitized world...
As always, it's a pleasure to take my daily dip into your column.
Robin I don't know how you can compare creating digital copies of something you already own in a physical medium for your own (or own family's) use to any sort of piracy. Drew's specific action seems completely different than even the relatively benign act of ripping a CD for a friend. As to two friends swapping comic books...
January 29, 2013 at 2:40PM ESTHave you bought every single paper book or comic that you've EVER read? Or have you borrowed them or had them given to you by friends? Was that piracy? What about library books?
One of the perils of e-books is exactly the scenario you seem to be implying -- a digital copy that is only supposed to be used once, by one person, and cannot be legally shared for any reason by anyone else. Which counteracts the last 1500+ years of human history. Freely sharing a book (be it comic or otherwise) with others has been part of the very essence of how knowledge is passed on. What does it say about our mindset, and our kids' mindsets that the idea of sharing your own comic books DIGITALLY instead of via paper brings up some sort of ethical question?
drew I think it's a strange area of vague legal ground and even less well-defined ethical ground. I just know that I am making the push to digital for many things I own simply for issues of storage space, and there's an ease-of-use issue that makes it very appealing when you're dealing with thousands and thousands of individual comic books or books or songs to be able to pull them up instantly as an on-screen item instead of going through dozens of boxes or binders or shelves to find the analog equivalent of that thing.
January 29, 2013 at 2:54PM ESTRobin
January 29, 2013 at 2:26PM EST Reply to Comment"Rhys Ifans is THE LIZARD DOCTOR CURT CONNERS and he is also a CGI. That is so he can be a Lizard."
I'm dying laughing here. That is so fantastically great.
I've really missed these columns. So happy to get a new one.
StephenH2OMan
January 29, 2013 at 3:28PM EST Reply to CommentOh man, even your kids are against you when it comes to "The Amazing Spider-Man"!
simonpod
January 29, 2013 at 4:03PM EST Reply to CommentTo respond to Robin first: thanks for your thoughtful insights, and I wasn't meaning to imply that Drew was a pirate (far from it, I have always admired the hell out of him as my first stop for commentary, and also as a clear voice of both pragmatism and creativity within the screenwriting community, and I think I was clear about that from the start...).
But I would like to respond to a couple of points you make, because we should be having these discussions.
1.) When I was 16, or so, my friend Neil Greenwood bought #137 of X-Men "Death of a Phoenix" and let me read it; and after being blown away by it, I wanted it for my own collection: to have and leaf through whenever it took my fancy. So I went out and paid for a copy. For the convenience of being able to read it without ringing Neil up (pre-cell phone, of course) and cycling over to his house, and then having to make small talk with his mum before I could get that issue #137 back into my sweaty mitts for a half hour. We were freely sharing a comic book (and I agree that sharing is an incredibly important part of building up one's creative influences through peer contact), but "ownership" and access to it was defined by who, in a pre-digital age, owned the physical copy.
2.) Where we might disagree more strongly is in your analogy of the library, and here's why: authors agree to lease books, or let their publishers negotiate that as part of ancillary rights, for public libraries. The author agrees to this relationship. Signs off on it. Whether they truly benefit from the exposure (and I'm sure that that is a great part of the attraction. Creative people seek audiences, not just revenue from sales...) or not, it's still a very clear agreement. Library e-Books are "loaned" to Kindle readers just like physical books i.e. they have a limited contract after which it disappears from the Kindle; just like you have to return the physical book or face fines, so that other people in the community can access that same physical book without having to wait for months whilst someone who doesn't return it. Showing that digital copy to a friend, whilst it's on your Kindle, is no different to letting Neil Greenwood, 32 years ago, deign to show me #137: it's consensual. All parties know that anyone can look at it in that context. Marvel Comics knew that I wasn't going to go out and invent a printing press to recreate #137, or hand copy it... If I wanted it that bad: bingo for their sales, and bingo for me, to get to see Scott Summers, again and again, suffer such grief...
Again, I'm trying to navigate these issues myself, as a screenwriter who has his own intellectual properties; and maybe these arguments will appear quaint over the next decade, like a vestigial pre-digital appendix; but to pretend that these aren't at least real areas fof contention is more to do with your personal convenience (sorry, Drew, not entirely convinced by your analog versus digital "convenience" argument. I'm sure you wouldn't feel like that if someone ripped one of your movies for storage reasons. I mean, not that it's cause for you to go ballistic if I buy a pirate DVD of "Skin & Bones" in an El Sereno parking lot, but that does mean that I don't have to go to Amazon to buy it, and you lose, what, 0.00000001 cent royalty. And that could go to Toshi and Allen's college costs, right?).
It is extremely vague, you are both right, and I am not trying to accuse anybody (it's not like I haven't ripped a few CDs before I even knew there was an issue), and we are all learning. And, with everything else much more serious going on in the world, I know that reading a scanned version of #137 doesn't change Chris Claremont or John Byrne or Terry Austin or Marvel's (sorry, I mean Disney. The company that sued to have a childrens' cancer ward mural of its characters removed because the hospital didn't get permission...), doesn't amount to a hill of beans. But, as creatives, this is a conversation that needs to be developed...
drew Simon... if someone bought one of my movies and then crunched it to their hard drive so they could travel with it or throw it different machines, that wouldn't bother me. I've spent so much $$ on comics over the years, and I did contribute my entire collection of over 4000 titles to this digital project, precisely because I can't see any other way to have access to them in the house any time soon.
January 30, 2013 at 1:13AM ESTI agree that this is an ongoing conversation, though. I think there is a point where I have purchased a piece of media, and I shouldn't have to keep re-purchasing it. The studios don't necessarily agree, and I'm sure the comic book companies would rather I rebuy all my comics as digital files. I'm not sure why I'd do that in a world where scanners exist, and I don't see any difference between that and putting a new CD I've purchased into my iTunes.
Popcorn Dave But Drew, what about the fact that your friend put his own comics in the zip file as well? You didn't buy those, and he's presumably kept the scans of YOUR comics even though he didn't buy them himself. I agree with you that transferring from physical to digital is totally okay, but pooling your collection with a friend like that sounds like straight-up copyright infringement to me (albeit a fairly harmless variety).
January 31, 2013 at 10:07AM ESTmmcb105
January 29, 2013 at 4:04PM EST Reply to CommentFan-freaking-tastic article. As if I expected any less.
Also, the friend who downloaded the comics seems like he has inadvertently (or not) stumbled onto a napster for comics. He better be careful or he might end up like Sean Parker...oh wait he is a billionaire.
drew Well, he's not putting them online for other people. He gave me back my comics, but as digital files. That's all. He's not looking to distribute the material at all.
January 30, 2013 at 1:14AM ESTmmcb105 Understood. Neat idea though. I wonder why marvel and dc haven't started uploading their old comics into some sort of "legacy" collection. Unless they have and I just don't realize it.
January 30, 2013 at 9:09AM ESTSeal_Is_Wet
January 29, 2013 at 5:09PM EST Reply to CommentDrew, great article and the pictures definitely made it. Your sense of excitement over your sons taking an interest in your passions is obvious and must be a great feeling. Keep up the good work man and I'm dying to read Toshi's next review (or maybe an Evil Dead remake set visit?)
MoretoLifeThanSW
January 29, 2013 at 10:08PM EST Reply to CommentRemember that "Seinfeld" where Jerry and Elaine are torturously forced to spend time and admire a parent's self-proclaimed "most beautiful child ever?"
Yeah, this is pretty much the blog version of that episode. No offense, but your kid just isn't that special to the rest of us, Drew.
Stick to reviewing films and leave the domestic soap opera garbage at home where it belongs. After all, that's what the rest of us "adults" do in our professional careers.
drew I'll bet it felt great hitting "enter" on that one. You should high-five yourself. What a burn. I would remind you that it's a big internet and you can certainly find "adults" talking about something else somewhere else, but it's obviously more important to you to be a colossal dick about the piece than it is to have any sort of actual conversation. So well-played. Everyone make sure to commend our anonymous friend for his oh-so-courageous stand against the horrors of personal detail.
January 29, 2013 at 10:16PM ESTHow will you survive this horrific injustice?
Floop Flop Film Nerd 2.0 is one of the best things Drew has ever done, and he's done some pretty cool stuff. Speaking as both a father and a film fan, I love it.
January 30, 2013 at 12:34AM EST
January 30, 2013 at 3:41AM ESTI absolutely adore each and every Film Nerd 2.0 entry you make, Drew. Reminds me so much of when I discovered films myself at that age. Don't let asshats like the above ruin it for you. If you ever get discouraged, the fact that Toshi's already writing reviews of his own volition is some serious parent-meets-critic crossroad awesome that you should be proud of. Doing a damn fine job by your readers and your sons, sir.
Dezbot No one is forcing you to read these, you know.
January 30, 2013 at 2:09PM ESTSteve C I'm glad this was brought up, although it could have been addressed in a more tactful way. First, I'd like to say that the Nerd 2.0 series has brought me great joy. Especially the Star Wars entries. There were times when I actually got a lump in my throat. It has been sweet, special and endearing to witness a father taking his children on the adventure of pop culture discovery. For those of us who do not have kids and probably will never have them, it's especially bittersweet.
January 30, 2013 at 2:43PM ESTHaving said that... I do feel, Drew, that some of your movie critique has been (at times) filtered a bit too much through your boys. And, while I would never resort to the Seinfeld analogy above, I have sometimes thought that the revisiting of your movie experiences through your children was more about a doting parent and less about sharing of personal details.
I guess what I'm saying, and perhaps not too well, is that there is a line where hearing about someone else's kids goes from cute, sweet and special to something that isn't. At least not all the time. And I fully admit that it's probably because I don't have children that I feel that way.
Nothing against you, Drew. There is more to admire here than not. But I wanted to throw my constructive $.02 into the ring.
And as you've already pointed out, there are plenty of places one can go for different kinds of discussions on nerd culture. At this time in your life, this is yours, and most of us are happy to share that with you.
KlarkKent I can understand someone getting slightly annoyed with Drew injecting his kids into general film reviews... but, dude, the name of this recurring column is Film Nerd 2.0. It's express purpose is to talk about his kids being introduced to things a lot of us have enjoyed for years. (And I happen to be a big fan of it.) So why not skip these and stick to the non-FN2 stuff, hmm? Then we'll all be happier.
January 30, 2013 at 7:25PM ESTFaraz
January 30, 2013 at 5:39AM EST Reply to Commentnow those were reviews! sam strange oughta be taking notes.
"Rhys Ifans is THE LIZARD DOCTOR CURT CONNERS and he is also a CGI."
'Also a CGI' is a phrase for the ages.
Dezbot I hope Toshi keeps up the reviews. That line is gold :-)
January 30, 2013 at 2:10PM ESTYeayah
January 30, 2013 at 1:37PM EST Reply to CommentNow I want to know who are Toshi & Allen's favorite filmmakers.
Teddy Ruxpin
January 30, 2013 at 6:37PM EST Reply to CommentVery cool man... It'll be interesting, when theyre of age, of course, to see how they feel about the Burton and Nolan Batmans.
KlarkKent
January 30, 2013 at 7:17PM EST Reply to CommentI'm of a mind that the two films are pretty equal. Raimi is a better director to me and the first film feels more like a Spider-Man film. The story is more simple, but that's because the second one is trying way too hard. The second film has a better cast and better special effects. In the end it all seems to even out for me. That said, Spider-Man 2 is the best of the four.
David D.
February 1, 2013 at 7:29PM EST Reply to CommentDrew, you've gone on record as not really liking the Webb film very much; did seeing the two films back-to-back, and in the presence of your kids, modify your impression of the film at all, either way?
mikeG Pooling digital files is straight up stealing. However you want to rationalize it, please don't teach others (your kids) that this is okay. I am amazed that you would admit so clearly that you did this (is their not an editor that this filters through?). COPYING IS STEALING!
February 13, 2013 at 7:14PM EST