Cannes Film Festival 2013

An epic interview with the Wachowskis and Tom Tykwer: From 'Cloud Atlas' to 'Jupiter Ascending'

A huge interview with the trio of filmmakers behind the most ambitious film of the fall

Leading up to the secret screening, I had a pretty good idea that our cover had been blown, and I reached out to Judd Apatow to help me play some Twitter games to try to confuse the issue.  It worked well enough that on the morning of the secret screening, someone walked by and told me, "Hey, man, you guys think you're being sneaky, but I saw Judd Apatow in the bathroom this morning. I know you're screening 'This Is 40.'"  I did my best to look upset that they had figured me out, even as the Drafthouse was busy sneaking the Wachowskis up an outside staircase on the far side of the building.

When I announced the title onstage, the energy in the room surged, and both sold-out theaters seemed excited to hear they'd be seeing the movie.  But when I introduced Lana and Andy and they walked out onstage, the theater went crazy, almost 2/3 of the crowd rising to their feet, giving them a standing ovation simply for showing up.  Andy took the microphone first, saying, "I'm Andy Wachowski, and this is my sister Lana.  You may know that Lana used to be Larry, and we used to be the Wachowski Brothers.  Now?  We are the Wachowski Starship."  Huge response from the crowd, and then Lana took a moment to thank everyone for coming out and to introduce the movie.

Afterwards, pretty much every single seat was still occupied when we took the stage to start the Q&A.  I was still emotional from seeing the finished film for the first time, and I think the full standing ovation the Wachowskis got this time, this one for the film and what they accomplished with it, made them emotional as well.

There's a short highlights reel from the Q&A that Fantastic Fest put together, and you can check it out here:



When everything finished and we were chased out of the theater because we were running late, the publicists for Fantastic Fest invited them to join everyone at the Highball for drinks and conversation.  I seriously don't think a single person at the festival would have been shocked or offended if they'd chosen instead to go back to their hotel or out to a private post-screening dinner.  The Q&A was such a love-fest from the crowd that I think everyone would have been happy to have had that be the full encounter.

But Fantastic Fest has a mysterious pull on people.  It's such a great atmosphere, and it's so relaxed.  After the "Frankenweenie" screening on opening night, Tim Burton and his family went bowling at the Highball.  All during the festival, you could find filmmakers and fans alike singing karaoke, eating onion rings, or just plain tying one on, all at the Highball.  There's something inherently social about the festival, more so than any other fest I attend.

Sure enough, Lana and Andy hung out for a few hours, and they took plenty of time to talk to fans who approached them, to enjoy a few drinks, and to happily answer pretty much every other question or observation I still had for them.  I got to discuss the "Animatrix" with Andy Wachowski, talking to him about the satisfaction of being able to explore some of the stranger, smaller corners of the world they created, and I was entertained by the zeal with which Andy dismissed my claim that Austin is a great food town, telling me that there is no food town like Chicago.  "The sandwiches," he said, almost dreamily, "all the sandwiches." 

They talked a bit about their next film, "Jupiter Ascending," which sounds like a big science-fiction action piece that will star Channing Tatum and Mila Kunis.  The stories they told about casting the two stars and their reactions to the news were endearing, and it sounds like they're neck-deep in the world-building part of the process right now.  When I commented on how much I loved the water-based surfaces of the streets in the Nu Seoul sequences in "Cloud Atlas," Andy talked about how hard it is to be fresh and cohesive when you're designing architecture and infrastructure, and how that's always the hardest part with a science-fiction film.  Lana talked about how they have a big visual idea for "Jupiter Ascending" that is like the evolutionary jump from bullet-time, but how it's going to be expensive and difficult, and might not be possible.

The most animated I saw Lana get all night, though, was when she told me about a trip she took to see the studios where Roy Andersson works and makes his movies.  It was a pilgrimage for her, and as she talked about the excitement she felt when she got to see the rooms where he films, where he builds his environments, and she described his shooting schedules, I recognized in her the same thing that I've recognized in many of the people I hold closest in this world, an ability to be moved and inspired by the act of creation, by the potential of art.

In the end, I was the one that had to leave first so I could make it to a midnight screening, and as I left the Highball, the Wachowskis were still there, still happily chatting with fans, and they seemed about a million miles away from the reclusive figures they'd seemed just one month earlier.  I have no idea if we'll see more press from them, or if we'll ever do another interview, but I felt like more than most people I interview, they dropped their guard and they presented themselves as who they are, with no filters.  No matter what else they are and no matter what else they do, on some level, they are still just the two kids who grew up together, the Wachowskis, two lifelong fans of science-fiction and filmmaking, trying to entertain one another and hoping to leave some mark on these genres that have marked them so very deeply.

"Cloud Atlas" arrives in theaters October 26.
 

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A respected critic and commentator for fifteen years, Drew McWeeny helped create the online film community as "Moriarty" at Ain't It Cool News, and now proudly leads two budding Film Nerds in their ongoing movie education.
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    alynch

    Great article, but I feel compelled to ask about this passage:

    "While I had to leave France disappointed, my efforts were not unnoticed, and in June, I was asked to come see "Cloud Atlas," which was pretty much locked as a cut, although not mixed at that point."

    So does that mean you had already seen the film when you wrote this article from a few months back when the long trailer first dropped?

    http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/cloud-atlas-unleashes-a-six-minute-long-trailer-with-plenty-of-tom-hanks-and-halle-berry

    I ask only because it seems to be written from the perspective of someone who hasn't seen it. Was it some sort of extreme embargo situation where you were forbidden from even mentioning the screening?

    October 10, 2012 at 2:14AM EST Reply to Comment
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      drew That's exactly what it was. I had to completely and utterly play it as if I had not seen the film. It made it very hard to frame my enthusiasm without giving everything away.

      October 10, 2012 at 2:18AM EST
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    Matt

    This was detailed, smart, heartful and sweet. Your passion for them, their work, and film is apparent with each sentence. I really enjoyed this. Well done sir.

    October 10, 2012 at 2:45AM EST Reply to Comment
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    MarkB

    Drew, this is probably my favorite piece that I have read here. You captured something that you rarely see in big-budget filmmakers: passion. Can you imagine Ridley Scott talking excitedly about how he's attempting to break the traditional boundaries of cinema with Prometheus? I can't, and I love Ridley Scott. Cloud Atlas is now the movie I most want to see this fall.

    Please do more in-depth pieces like this, and try heeding Lana's admonition. Too much focus is put on the business of movies -- look how John Carter "failed" before it even opened -- and not enough on the art. Keep reminding me why I fell in love with film in the first place.

    Thanks for putting a wonderful cap on an otherwise crappy day. Please keep doing what you do so well.

    - Mark

    October 10, 2012 at 2:50AM EST Reply to Comment
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    kadoogan

    Business & Art.

    I think it's okay to write about both -- in fact I think it's necessary since the business side dictates what happens with the art side...but just make sure your coverage of one outweighs the other. Which is something I think you do. So, good on you and please accept my "Atta boy" for this article.

    October 10, 2012 at 4:01AM EST Reply to Comment
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    himesheth

    Fantastic article Drew, now I'm even MORE excited by the film. Unfortunately it only comes out here (the UK) next year :(

    October 10, 2012 at 5:37AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Stacy

    Awesome interview. I always respected the fact that the Wachowskis tell their story how they wanna tell it and how they are always up to take risks with big canvas studio filmmaking. Can't wait to see Cloud Atlas.

    October 10, 2012 at 9:41AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Edward Douglas

    Going to take me some time to read this but I'm surprised you didn't do it as a QnA

    October 10, 2012 at 9:58AM EST Reply to Comment
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    yourblindspot

    Amazing conversation, Drew, and as frank and earnest as any interview I've read in a very long time. Thanks so much for sharing it with us. As a fan of both the team and the source, I am thrilled to see what they've done with it and fully expect to be floored.

    October 10, 2012 at 10:21AM EST Reply to Comment
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    DocLazy

    Epic! Thank you, Drew. This has been one of the best interviews, I've ever read. I am from Germany and am both a Fan of Tom and the Ws for a f*cking long time now. I never understood all the hate against Speed Racer. I love it and I'm 46, damn it! We need more creative people like this trio infernale out there in this business. This is filmmaking, how it should be. Always.

    I'm really looking forward to Cloud Atlas, my friend. Hopefully this will get some rewards. And if not in cash, than at least in award season. They deserve it. And Tom, too. I am more than a little proud as a German.

    Again thank you so much. Keep up the good work and your Film Nerd 2.0 reviews. I enjoy them all.

    October 10, 2012 at 10:28AM EST Reply to Comment
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    mmcb105

    Epic indeed. The depth of the interview is astounding without even considering how reclusive and press shy the Wachowski siblings are normally. Thanks for the great interview, Drew.

    October 10, 2012 at 11:19AM EST Reply to Comment
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    David

    Awesome piece. I am so excited to see CA.

    October 10, 2012 at 11:48AM EST Reply to Comment
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    ungruntled

    Bravo. I wish every filmmaker interview could be like this.

    October 10, 2012 at 12:44PM EST Reply to Comment
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    jeves23

    Fantastic piece, Drew. I agree with Lana - keep fighting the good fight. Yours is one of the freshest, boldest, and most poignant voices in online film criticism and discussion today.
    I am looking forward to this film with probably more zeal than any film in recent memory, and it is the willingness to reach high, to drive the art form of cinema forward, and to challenge viewers on emotional, aesthetic and perhaps even spiritual levels that makes the Wachowski's one of the great mainstream* voices of today.
    I am so glad that they, and Tom Tykwer, are doing press for this film, and that we finally get to hear their passion and their joy for their work - even though I am largely a big believer in the work speaking for itself, it is refreshing to read/watch these interviews, and get a real answer/discussion rather than the typical Hollywood sound bite.


    *Well, perhaps not quite mainstream anymore, but not exactly obscure art house directors, either.

    October 10, 2012 at 1:10PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Paul S

    Good write up Drew.

    I hope it lives up to the hype that's starting to build up for it. Like James Cameron and Robert Zemeckis, The Wachowski Starship seem to be the film industry's technology pioneers and will use them to tell us a good story.
    Like most people, the first time I saw The Matrix, I was blown away by "bullet time", so I was very interested when they spoke of the evolutionary aspect of this effect that they will use for Jupiter Ascending.

    October 10, 2012 at 1:26PM EST Reply to Comment
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    adfsds

    just fantastic

    October 10, 2012 at 1:44PM EST Reply to Comment
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    alphabet

    Drew this was amazing. Strong work sir, keep fighting that good fight indeed.

    October 10, 2012 at 3:05PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Fawst

    What a great piece, Drew. I remember watching the featurettes on The Matrix back in the day, and the passion the Wachowskis had was infectious. I'm really looking forward to Cloud Atlas, but you just teased the hell out of me with that comment on the "evolutionary jump from bullet-time." Now I'm going to be disappointed if it doesn't happen!

    October 10, 2012 at 3:06PM EST Reply to Comment
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      blue_flames LOL yep, consider my interest piqued too :)

      More "epic" interviews please, I don't care who they're with!

      October 10, 2012 at 3:48PM EST
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    Bananaman

    Excellent article Drew. I love the Wachowski's attitude to film-making.

    October 10, 2012 at 5:32PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Mark

    What a spectacular piece, Drew. You have an inherent understanding of how to communicate experiences. This article wonderfully illustrates the publicity and interview process, not only from your perspective, but also from the Wachowskis, or at least the way they carried themselves. I think the mystique has fallen away. I can't speak for other movie fans, but I'm happy to add a love affair for the creators to my already entrenched love affair for their work.

    October 10, 2012 at 5:57PM EST Reply to Comment
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    TimB

    Wonderful, wonderful piece. I was a huge fan of "Speed Racer," and though I found the "Matrix" sequels to be disappointing, there has always been a clear theme of "ambition" running through all of their work... and hat no doubt looks to continue with "Cloud Atlas," which I am absolutely dying to see.

    Thanks for this, Drew. The passion that comes through in your writing is unmatched by any other "film analyst/critic" on the net, in my opinion.

    October 10, 2012 at 7:24PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Billy Shears

    Good in-depth write-up Drew. I was among the lucky crowd in the Princess of Wales Theatre at the film's world Premiere in Toronto last month. Seeing the long-form trailer this summer compelled me to catch this epic movie at the earliest opportunity. I had no idea the film's cast & crew would be there; it was a pleasant surprise for me, as the 10-minute ovation was for them. I'm looking fwd to seeing again when it's released on the 26th. I do think this is the W's "2001" and will be seen as a classic, innovative landmark film in future years if not right away. I don't know how they can follow this act... but they're incredibly creative, so who knows.

    October 11, 2012 at 12:23AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Seal's_Wet

    Drew, big fan of your writing and the site. Just one question how come you didn't ask them why they completely ripped off Grant Morrison's
    "The Invisibles" for the first Matrix movie?

    October 11, 2012 at 10:43AM EST Reply to Comment
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      MMorse Because that would've been inexcusably rude?

      October 11, 2012 at 4:56PM EST
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      SEAL'S_WET Of course a certain amount of tact would have to be used and I wouldn't advocate a “shock jock” approach or a blind siding but I call foul on these artists (who are obviously talented individuals which makes it even more egregious) using the mystique of inaccessibility shield themselves from what basically boils down to plagiarism. It is certainly not my intention to troll this thread (hell I’ll be seeing Cloud Atlas opening weekend not sure if that makes me a hypocrite) but I think there’s an interesting conversation to be had regarding what happens when artists (especially talented artists you like) conduct themselves questionably. This isn’t an example of a company ripping off an artist ala Marvel screwing Kirby, that narrative is unfortunately not that surprising, but artists of this caliber thieving or at the very least going out of their way to ignore a clear inspiration (that was also an active part of the production process they passed around issues of the comic on set!) is disheartening. I’m genuinely interested in hearing other opinions from posters and I apologize if my initial post came off as troll-ish but I do think this stuff matters and I find it disconcerting when others don’t see the act of one artist outright taking of ideas and aesthetics of another without any acknowledgement or compensation to be a problem. At the end of the day you expect this type of behavior from the stereotypical cut-throat executive but I would like to think that artists like the “Wachowski Starship” (admittedly hilarious / awesome nickname) are above this type of behavior. Am I missing something?

      October 12, 2012 at 9:30AM EST
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      Dunyain Sound's like "Seal's_Wet" has a case of troll's remorse. The Matrix was certainly inspired by Invisibles, (among other things) but calling it a "complete ripoff" is childish and fanboyish. When will someone ask Morrison why he ripped off Michael Moorcock's "Jerry Cornelius" books when he made Invisibles.

      November 23, 2012 at 5:56PM EST
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    Bradley Valentine

    Amazing, Drew, really. I never say this kind of thing because seems so ass-kissy. But thank you. The former brothers are some of my very favorite filmmakers and, as everybody knows, access is rare. So it’s great to have this. Good job, man.

    October 12, 2012 at 8:42AM EST Reply to Comment
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    chainlinkspiral

    Killer read, as always. Thanks to all involved for making some magic.

    October 12, 2012 at 5:23PM EST Reply to Comment
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    PierreFutsch

    Good morning,
    i just read your article. From page 1 to 9 straight (with a quick jump to go read the newyorker article) and it gave me chills and emotions. That is a very rare feeling while reading interviews and review. Thanks for this. Also thanks for making me meet the"Wachowski Starship", i thought i knew who they were but i was wrong, i met them today and i would gladly be the red shirt of their crew after reading your article. Thanks you sir, and thanks the Wachowski Starship for us, for being so open and real, thanks. A thousand thanks.

    October 13, 2012 at 4:23AM EST Reply to Comment

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