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“Fringe” positioned tonight’s ninth episode “Black Blotter” as its final edition of “the nineteenth episode”. That’s been the slot for past episodes such as “Brown Betty”, “Lysergic Acid Diethylamide”, and “Letters of Transit”. I don’t like the idea of arbitrarily assigning a slot in each season as “the completely off-the-wall trippy installment,” since that goes against what should be the organic process of telling a long-form narrative on the small screen. But that quibble isn’t a particularly big one, especially since I tend to like when the show gets even weirder than usual. “Black Botter” wasn’t particularly strange by the show’s standards (except for the Monty Python sequence, which made ME feel like I’d just taken a whole buncha drugs), and it wasn’t up to the standards of the three episodes just mentioned. But it was a solid, if wildly inconsistent, hour of television that gave us both the best AND worst of “Fringe” in sixty minutes.
All year long, I’ve noted how the season-long scavenger hunt that has dominated the final season of this show has risen and fallen based on each step’s connection to its central characters. When the showed veered into “gotta catch ‘em all!” mode as a ways to simply assemble the pieces of the larger puzzle, it has generally failed. But when the search is rooted in character, such as tonight, then the results have been much more satisfying. Tonight represented the flip side of “Through The Looking Glass And What Walter Found There”, a meandering episode that was weird for weird’s sake without really moving the plot forward. Tonight, we not only got a key component in the overall end-game through the discovery of the Observer child (named “Michael” by his surrogate parents), but also got to see Walter’s conscience in action via the good fairy Nina Sharpe and the evil fairy Carla Warren. You may have remembered Carla from her appearance in the all-time classic “Fringe” episode “Peter”. I love that episode, but even I didn’t recognize her when she first appeared onscreen. So I was grateful to have an in-show reminder.
While Walter wrestled inwards during his acid-inspired journey, Peter and Olivia started tracking down the signal that suddenly appeared on the radio obtained in “Through the Looking Glass” in lieu of the child himself. After a brief detour that looked like an outtake from the “Lost” episode “Tricia Tanaka Is Dead” (with Sam Weiss here taking the place of Roger “Workman”), the pair meet up with Walter and Astrid at a house on a small island. They don’t find Donald, but do meet a couple that worked with the resistance from the outset and were assigned by Donald to watch after the child until someone who knew the password came to claim him. This final season of the show hasn’t had a lot of time to introduce, nevermind develop, many new characters this season. But the couple in that house, Richard and Carolyn, engaged me instantly. When they said goodbye to Michael, we couldn’t hear what they said. But somehow it broke my heart more than a little anyways. This small scene is the acme of “Fringe”. Explaining the plot to a non-viewer would produce quizzical looks at best. But my God it kills in the moment, and it’s one of the best the show has produced involving non-core cast members since season 4’s “And Those We’ve Left Behind”.
John Noble is so good at playing every note of Walter Bishop (the child, the savant, the tyrant) that it took me a majority of the hour to figure out that his arc tonight was almost identical to the one Peter just took through his ill-advised use of Observer tech. In both cases, a Bishop wrestled with being patient in his revenge upon The Observers versus taking a short-cut to achieve the same goals. But while Peter almost lost his soul through tech, Walter is in danger is losing his through hubris. “You’ve been him longer than you’ve been you,” Carla continually reminded him. So even though the central four managed to track down Donald’s signal and locate Michael, Walter still isn’t fully convinced on a molecular level that he isn’t still a god-like figure. The plan is still afoot, but “The Walter That Was” might still undo it.
And here’s where everything basically falls completely and utterly apart if you think about it for more than a second. If you don’t want to read on about the negatives of this episode and “Fringe” as a series, just stop reading and pretend like this was a rave.
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After the gorgeous goodbye scene with Michael and his surrogate parents, we were treated with a visually stunning scene of Walter watching his previous life unfold as a projection upon his lab walls. He (and we) watch his actions leading up to the moment of original sin in the “Fringe” universe, when he crosses over despite the protestations of both Nina and Carla. It was one of many moments in a call-back heavy show in which the accumulated weight of the show’s story seemingly stuck to every fiber of Olivia’s black coat. These are the kinds of accumulations that serialized televisions can do. It’s what makes the medium stand out from almost all others out there. And I would have stood up and applauded, had anything actually projected on the screen ever actually happened.
Now, that’s a bit harsh, so let me explain. One of the many callbacks tonight lay in Olivia and Peter noting that Sam Weiss was only an important figure in their timeline. He didn’t mean anything to Walter and Astrid, because they still remember things like everyone else. I was surprised to see the show bring up the dual timelines again, because so much of this season has seemed to try to make us forget that the fourth season of the show didn’t happen. Aside from using it to explain why Olivia can no longer use Peter like a Rock ‘Em Sock ‘Em Robot from fifty feet away, the fifth season really hasn’t spent much time explaining how it’s really freakin’ weird that we’re still in a reality that doesn’t completely align with the first three seasons of the show.
That makes all the projections of “Peter” problematic. The introduction of the alternate timelines without the show being able to re-stage the previous timeline for us to see means that we’re never sure as audience members what changed and what didn’t. The fourth season of the show basically posited “no much really changed on a massive scale”, which allows supporters of that choice to state that the core characters were still on display. And that’s a fine position to take, so long as we’re talking about things on a pure character level. But when things towards to plot, things get so messy so fast that it makes the entire endeavor of watching the show turn into a massive migraine. I think we’re meant to understand that everything leading up to Walter crossing over played out exactly the same way (looking at transcripts of “Peter”, the dialogue seems identical). Or maybe the reintroduction of Michael means he’s seeing the “old” timeline himself, since Michael remembers Olivia from the season one reality. I have no clue.
But here’s the central problem: I don’t really know “The Walter That Was”, which makes my fear of his return muted. It’s hard to fear the return of someone I barely know. All I do know is that “Fringe” has made things so unnecessarily difficult for itself through the introduction of alternate realities that the pros simply outweigh the cons, and have so for some time. I want to simply watch a key point in the show’s history unspool on a laboratory wall and not wonder from which version of the show’s multiple histories this scene actually exists.
Nothing of any real consequence (character-wise) in this show would mean any more or less had one reality always stayed intact. Let’s do a little thought experiment to see if that hypothesis holds true. Take stock of Walter, Peter, and Olivia right now. And ask yourself if any of them would be a different position now if Peter simply bridged the two worlds together and reality itself had continued onwards. If the answer is “yes”, then “Fringe” still works for you. If the answer is “no”, then the disappearing Peter act was a failure, and have crippled (if not severed) your engagement with the program.
Now, we’d seen different universes before that, sure. But those also had one and only one reality. The difference between “Olivia” and “Fauxlivia” is NOT the same as the different between “the Olivia from the first three seasons” and “the Olivia that we saw for two-thirds of season four”. The former allows for the kind of “what if” scenarios in which season four tried to traverse. But they also allowed for internal consistencies that allowed us to follow singular paths of each individual character. The latter produced “Choose Your Own Adventure” storytelling which can be sometimes thrilling in theory but eventually end up hollow in practice.
And after all this, the appearance of Michael hints at the fact that we could be heading into another reality altogether, one that not only eradicates The Observers but potentially eradicates the timeline in which their invasion was necessary at all. The final scene of the show might very well be Peter and Olivia getting to finish their lovely picnic with a young Etta, with Walter joining them to share in the copious amounts of ice cream he and Astrid procured for the happy family. That’s a lovely sentiment, but I’m not sure it fits in with the show’s overall examination of hubris, human solitude, and above all, consequence. Many that believe season 4 has weight because it’s the direct result of Peter’s actions at the end of season 3, therefore everything on the show is connected. Intellectually, I understand that, and even agree with it. But emotionally, it just falls apart for me. I don’t want a complex-yet-perfectly-interlocking timeline that Observer Peter could sketch out for me. I like my “Fringe” the way I like all my television: messy, emotional, and written with narrative simplicity. Simply making the problems bigger doesn’t make the show (or ANY show) inherently better. Give me Michael’s surrogate parents choking up over losing a boy that neither aged nor spoke a word in two decades any day over a plot device that saw William Bell return from the dead to create “Jurassic Spock”.
And so while I see the poetry and the symmetry of our characters sitting in a field of white tulips, blissfully unaware that they went through hell in order to achieve happiness, I do wonder how satisfying that will be. I’m not saying it CAN’T be satisfying. But more than wanting a happy ending for the show, I want resolution for these characters. And resolution can only come through both hard work and the honoring of that work. That latter part almost necessarily involves sacrifice of some sort, if the goal is worth attaining. If you don’t remember the sacrifice, I’m unsure if it carries as much weight.
The idea of tinkering with the universe in order to achieve one’s deepest desires lies at the heart of nearly every good “Fringe” story. Whether or not the person manipulating the laws of biology, physics, or some other branch of science has good or ill intent is often beside the point. The point is that such meddling usually leads to suffering, and almost always is the byproduct of selfishness. What makes selfishness good or bad lies in the eyes of the observer (or the Observer), which makes the desire in and of itself so dangerous.
Only four more hours left to find out which way things will go.
What did you think of tonight’s episode? Are you a fan of the “19” episodes, or do they seem like showy distractions? How do you handle balancing the two realities while watching the show? Sound off below!
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December 15, 2012 at 12:38AM EST Reply to CommentCouldn't agree more. And thank you for writing the review I was too lazy to write since no one pays me.
mesa
December 15, 2012 at 12:44AM EST Reply to CommentI was enjoying this episode (with my lowered expectations) until the very end with those projections. I too was confused what the show was trying to say, since it seemed to only be working through the audience, not Walter, on an emotional level.
I really try not to hate on the show every week, but it's just so far from its greatness it is upsetting. I can't stop watching, I loved the show so much I can't just walk away, no matter how painful.
As for Michael, it seems the obvious options are that he is actually September, or Windmark. I'm not sure Wyman can pull off the latter. However, one thing I did enjoy about bringing the young Observer back into the picture was the idea that, quite possibly, the Observers we knew (the months) don't actually have tech in their heads. The occupation is a separate group who are trying to emulate them.
Just some random ramblings.
Sandy
December 15, 2012 at 12:44AM EST Reply to CommentThis episode was worth it just for that scene when the Observer boy remembered Olivia. That was so beautiful.
I laughed through every one of Walter's acid trips. Did I see foreshadowing? The green and red fairy with the red fairy flying through the portal. Awesome.
toonsterwu
December 15, 2012 at 12:47AM EST Reply to CommentI have a lot of mixed thoughts on this episode. It was a "move the pieces into place episode", but because of the time remaining, they had to incorporate Walter's ... self-examination in it. It works and it doesn't work.
I get that the effort was made to link up to the original sin of the show, but I can't fault Ryan about being confused about the myriad of timelines and the implications it has on the episode. It's my belief that everything b/w the timelines was the same up until the moment in the lake, where in this timeline, Peter died. Hence, there was a moment in the montage where Walter and a young Peter were struggling in the water.
I'll contemplate the episode a bit more later, but before I forget, were their promos seriously misleading or what? IIRC, the promos last week focused on examining whether or not the invasion was real. At no point in the episode, that I recall right now, did they challenge that assertion.
Blotter
December 15, 2012 at 1:14AM EST Reply to CommentThe bad parts:
The entire Walter trip, mumbling and rambling and irritating Walter, boring.
The entire God rambling by Carla and Walter going on and on about promissing Peter
Peter back in the lab, and Olivia not getting lines, last week she was in the car with Anil, this week she has to give that bit to Peter.
Not interested in Walters backstory that has been done to overkill,
I wish they would have done this tripping with Olivia see her past for once.
the Good:
Olivia allowed to be the FBI agent, and she showed Peter how to use a gun (he looks ridiculous with those 2 shooters waving around)
The best: Olivia and the Observer boy, I could have watched an entire episode with the two of them just staring at each other or having a drink together.
4 episodes to go and safe to say Olivia is not getting a storyline for herself, as the boy is going to be important, like boy Peter and boy Walter.
Today was the last day of shooting and we now know for sure that Wyman considers only Noble and Jackson the leads of Fringe,
never mind Anna Torv and her brilliant Olivia versions and making the best part of Fringe , Over There.
I wish Anna all the best, hope she finds a production that respects her.
wha? The insane Anna Torv troll again! Do you ever miss a review?
December 15, 2012 at 1:59AM ESTRealityCheck CrazyAnnaStalkerbi-otch is back under a different name (after she said she was"done"commenting on "Fringe").
December 16, 2012 at 6:50AM ESTWhat is this nutbar going to do when the show wraps in a few weeks?? Hey...Ms Torv DOES NOT LOVE YOU AND NEVER WILL...and probably has the court order barring you from approaching her to prove it. Use the extra time when the show wraps to get in serious serous THERAPY crazy!
Ken from Chicago
December 15, 2012 at 2:00AM EST Reply to CommentI agree, I'd much prefer a series finale where the timeline was altered to prevent the Observers from invading, Olivia and Peter got married, had Etta, Walter and Astrid got married (come on, that romance has been slow-building for the past 4 years)--but Our Heroes also remembered the previous timelines that the rest of the world does not.
Versus
All of the above EXCEPT that Our Heroes don't remember any other timeline, or worse, don't remember the S1-3 timelines, but some entirely new one (e.g., Peter's mom got sick and died and Walter went insane, but never crossed dimensions).
I think part of the reason I'm less angry at the show than many is that I'm a fan of science fiction, including time travel fiction, ala Doctor Who, where often time is rewritten, also comic book superheroes, where universes are rebooted on a cyclical basis (about once a decade).
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.comics.dc.universe/mS72YbKSQ4A/EWE9nxQT8x8J
So while I can enjoy the series, I get why many people are far more critical of it--altho for the love of Pete, will they ever devote as much an ounce of character development on Astrid as they did the couple tonight or rock-faced dad and son from a few weeks ago or Stephen Root and his wife IRL Rosy Rosmont, from S4?!! What has Astrid left behind or lost? None of the Bishops have even bothered to ask. Argh.
Wait, what was I saying? Oh, yes, S4 was a case of the show overlooking the trees for the forest, where the writers knew how the long term story played out but lost sight how us viewers saw each episode, stretched out over months and not knowing the actual setting of the series.
In science fiction, setting is far more important than any other genre. A western is a western, but if you have someone turning invisible, we need to know if they can still be heard, touched, smelled, if their clothes and other objects turn invisible, if only one set of clothes turn invisible, etc. The setting, the context matters. S4 failed to establish the setting and many viewers were left adrift and left the show--needlessly if TPTB did a better job explaining what the setting was, or at least not waited until 2/3rds of the season before explaining.
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. Sorry, Walter, you don't have to believe in God to still reap what you sow.
Fred Adelman
December 15, 2012 at 3:01AM EST Reply to CommentI think the big question is why the child doesn't speak? I believe that answer will solve the show's ending. A child doesn't speak unless he doesn't want to (barring medical problem, which this child doesn't seem to have). The Monty Ponthonesque animation which made Walter remember the password as "black umbrella" should also be a clue. I'm enjoying every second of the show and will really miss it when it's gone. I know the show will end with a satisfying conclusion, though some people will argue with the science. Remember: It is just a TV show. It is not real life.
thejoshbaker
December 15, 2012 at 3:42AM EST Reply to CommentIt was very much annoying that when I was supposed to be thinking about the moral implications of Walter crossing the universes and what that spoke about him as a man, I was instead wondering about if this plot point ever existed for this iteration of the character. Completely removed me from the moment and destroyed any good feeling I had of this episode (and that insane trip produced some quite good feelings). It's too bad season 4 sucked so bad that the reverberations keep screwing up season 5.
Seanl
December 15, 2012 at 4:19AM EST Reply to CommentEverything on the screen had actually happened though. If you go back to season 4 you will find that Peter died on the Walters return trip from the other universe when he tried to save altPeter. in the "rewritten" timeline, September never rescued Peter from the lake. All that was seen did happen in both timelines.
toonsterwu That's what I figured. Furthermore, they distinctly showed an image in the montage where Walter and Peter were drowning.
December 15, 2012 at 5:19AM ESTIf that's the case, then they actually skated around any timeline issues tonight, as the focus was on Walter going across, not the reverberations afterwards.
Mike Jones Ryan does not disagree that everything that happened before Walter crossed was not the same - "I think we’re meant to understand that everything leading up to Walter crossing over played out exactly the same way."
December 15, 2012 at 1:19PM ESTWhat he counters is that when Walter came back because Peter did not get saved by September Walter became a different man. Now the show wants us to sympathise with the new season 4 Walter when we do not know anything really about him. In seasons 1-3 Walter we knew that he experimented on children when he came back and we knew why because we saw it...he was trying to get Peter back. We know why he did a lot of things because seasons 1 -3 went into great detail and flashbacks to show who Walter was and why he was hubristic.
Did season 4 show any of that? no, so as Ryan posits...who is this Peter Bishop? What drives him and what makes him do the things that he does? do not know because the show just expositioned everything in season 4 and took too many shortcuts.
Lazy writing and lazy showrunning.
Seanl I wouldn't presume to know for sure what Ryan is really trying to say. Especially since he sounds confused. And deep down that may be just what he is trying to say.
December 15, 2012 at 10:23PM ESTThere however is one clear statement in his article which is simply not true: "And I would have stood up and applauded, had anything actually projected on the screen ever actually happened." and "That makes all the projections of “Peter” problematic."
The projections of Peter are not problematic. They did happen in both realities except that in one version he died, in the other version he was saved by September. That was made very clear in season 4 Granted, most everything after that point we don't know much about except that, without Peter, Walter was totally lost.
Prior to all that, Walter's lack of control over his actions without thought to the consequences remains. Driven by his abilities and desires, without care for the consequence to others, the evil Walter was born. Walter eventually had portions of his brain removed, as before, because of this. Walter still went mad/had a mental breakdown. Of course there was also the Walternate of season 3. Most of season 3 pointed out very well how we are all capable of terrible things. A good portion of that is influenced by our past experiences. The season 3 version of Walternate, as well as what we know about Walter from season 1-3, show us even more of the evils Walter is capable of. The evil Walter was already established before season 4 and before the rewritten timeline.
It has never been said that the cortexiphan trials were established solely to get Peter back but rather to prepare against the possible consequences, or a war, between universes. That motivation was established though as Walters motivation for further experiments on Olivia.
We have always had a big gap in Peters story since season 1. Peter however has not changed from season 1 except that he has become more accepting and loving of Walter. The need to know more about his past as a teen and the events outside his time with Walter may be desirable but may not be needed, especially spelled out in total detail. What they have focused on throughout the series however is how they need each other.
seanl
December 15, 2012 at 4:20AM EST Reply to CommentEverything on the screen had actually happened though. If you go back to season 4 you will find that Peter died on the Walters return trip from the other universe when he tried to save altPeter. in the "rewritten" timeline, September never rescued Peter from the lake. All that was seen did happen in both timelines.
Martin
December 15, 2012 at 7:37AM EST Reply to CommentDid you notice this "green monster" in the boathouse when Walter and Astrid arrived at the pier? What was this "thing"?
Jonas I didn't notice it first time around, but after your comment, I went back and looked at the scene again, and there it was (blinking its eyes even). The "green monster" is actually the green frog later seen in Walters Monty Python trip, the one who eats the "evil Walter knight".
December 15, 2012 at 11:01AM ESTjon88
December 15, 2012 at 11:38AM EST Reply to Comment"I don’t really know “The Walter That Was”, which makes my fear of his return muted." Not sure if I'm giving this too much thought or not enough, but I've been believing that TWTW would be the amoral, pre-lobotomy Walter, as exemplified by FauxLivia's Walter.
Ariane "The Walter that was" is the Walter before St-Claire's.
December 15, 2012 at 4:37PM ESTIn both timeline we don't know much about him, except the events of "Peter".
I'm not sure why Ryan is confused, Walter was the same in both timelines before St-Claire's, only the outcome of his trip to the other side is different in the reboot (with Peter dying).
But the mad man that he was is the same in both timelines.
ryanmcgee I'm not confused. We just have spent so little time with this new timeline's version of Walter that everything we know about his slide back into The Walter That Was happened offscreen. That's what I mean about not knowing him. I can infer plenty of things, but it's hard to get invested when I am told how to think about a character versus seeing it for myself and drawing my own conclusions.
December 16, 2012 at 6:25PM ESTAriane Let me rephrase that.
December 17, 2012 at 12:54AM ESTThe "Walter that was" happened offscreen in the original timeline too. We never knew him, we saw glimpses of him in "Peter", that's it.
Since the events of "Peter" happened in both timelines, I'm not sure why we need original Walter to invest in this story, since we know exactly the same stuff about both of them.
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December 17, 2012 at 1:07PM ESTryanmcgee Ariane: You're right. And what I should have clarified is that since we've seen so little of The Walter That Was no matter how you look at any continuity, the sudden importance at this stage of the end game means that it's inference across the board. Having it be one part of Walter's back story is one thing. Having the fate of the show/world dependent upon it is another. But I see exactly what you're talking about, and I'm glad we have the space in the comments to flesh stuff like this out!
December 17, 2012 at 1:12PM ESTOldDarth Piping in with my two cents worth. :D
December 17, 2012 at 2:06PM ESTFollowing up on your posts Ariane:
'Since the events of "Peter" happened in both timelines, I'm not sure why we need original Walter to invest in this story, since we know exactly the same stuff about both of them.'
'Since the events of "Peter" happened in both timelines, I'm not sure why we need original Walter to invest in this story, since we know exactly the same stuff about both of them.'
Agreed. The history of the prior three seasons are unchanged up to the events of Peter and did not diverge until September allowed Peter to drown. In addition, every season has shown us visible proof, granted mostly indirectly, often in the case of the week, of the results of the Walter That Was's behaviour. Most notably we have seen the impact that Walter That Was has had on Olivia and Peter.
To Ryan's assertion:
'We just have spent so little time with this new timeline's version of Walter that everything we know about his slide back into The Walter That Was happened offscreen.'
We have spent more than a little time with this timeline's Walter. To date it now stands at 31 episodes with this timelines Walter - a third of the series's run. A tad more if one counts the last few moments from the Season 3 finale. Season 5 is still part of Season 4's timeline. The time gap between the two is negligible as Walter spent the bulk of it in suspended animation.
We were shown Walter being revived with his brain parts in 4.19 and we have been shown his struggle all of Season 5 to keep the Walter That Was, at bay.
We also have been shown Walter's slide on screen this season. Revisit the Nina episode as one example for onscreen proof showing Walter's slide towards the Walter That Was. Their discussions were specifically about Walter's behavior plus we were shown Walter That Was behavior in the callous dismissal of Nina's questions about Bell's feelings towards her.
As to Ryan's point about:
'no matter how you look at any continuity, the sudden importance at this stage of the end game means that it's inference across the board. Having it be one part of Walter's back story is one thing. Having the fate of the show/world dependent upon it is another.'
We'll have to agree to disagree. Serialized story telling carries an implicit contract that the reader is invested in the character journey so no inferring is required.
From my perspective Walter's struggle not to revert to his Walter That Was behavior has been ongoing throughout the entire run of the series.
In every season.
And I expect the final resolution of Walter's series long journey will be tied into the series's finale.
ryanmcgee Old Darth: We've spent 31 episodes with the Walter in this new timeline in this new timeline's present. (I clarified that downstream of the orignial comment already.) Very little of that has been spent showing "The Walter That Was" in those 31 episodes, which is why I stipulated that no matter one's opinions on overall continuity of the show, we're now meant to worry about a figure that took up a lot of Walter's life but not very much "Fringe" screentime. That's all. If we never saw it, we have to infer it. If you want to take the show's word at it, that's fine. But I'm far from alone here in having trouble making that leap at this point.
December 17, 2012 at 2:13PM ESTOldDarth Grrr - reposting with edit cleanup for clarity.
December 17, 2012 at 2:16PM ESTPiping in with my two cents worth. :D
Following up on your posts Ariane:
'Walter was the same in both timelines before St-Claire's, only the outcome of his trip to the other side is different in the reboot (with Peter dying).'
'Since the events of "Peter" happened in both timelines, I'm not sure why we need original Walter to invest in this story, since we know exactly the same stuff about both of them.'
Agreed. The history of the prior three seasons are unchanged up to the events of Peter and did not diverge until September allowed Peter to drown. In addition, every season has shown us visible proof, granted mostly indirectly, often in the case of the week, of the results of the Walter That Was's behaviour. Most notably we have seen the impact that Walter That Was has had on Olivia and Peter.
To Ryan's assertion:
'We just have spent so little time with this new timeline's version of Walter that everything we know about his slide back into The Walter That Was happened offscreen.'
We have spent more than a little time with this timeline's Walter. To date it now stands at 31 episodes with this timelines Walter - a third of the series's run. A tad more if one counts the last few moments from the Season 3 finale. Season 5 is still part of Season 4's timeline. The time gap between the two is negligible as Walter spent the bulk of it in suspended animation.
We were shown Walter being revived with his brain parts in 4.19 and we have been shown his struggle all of Season 5 to keep the Walter That Was, at bay.
Revisit the Nina episode as one example for onscreen proof showing Walter's slide towards the Walter That Was. Their discussions were specifically about Walter's behavior plus we were shown Walter That Was behavior in the callous dismissal of Nina's questions about Bell's feelings towards her.
As to Ryan's point about:
'no matter how you look at any continuity, the sudden importance at this stage of the end game means that it's inference across the board. Having it be one part of Walter's back story is one thing. Having the fate of the show/world dependent upon it is another.'
We'll have to agree to disagree. Serialized story telling carries an implicit contract that the reader is invested in the character journey so no inferring is required.
From my perspective Walter's struggle not to revert to his Walter That Was behavior has been ongoing throughout the entire run of the series.
In every season.
OldDarth 'If we never saw it, we have to infer it. If you want to take the show's word at it, that's fine.'
December 17, 2012 at 2:27PM ESTStrictly speaking yes but as I noted we've seen the results of the Walter That Was's handiwork over the run of the series. So I don't feel I'm am taking the show's word for it.
They've shown it to us, mostly, indirectly but consistently over the series's run. Especially the impact on Olivia and Peter - so I feel you are over stating the amount of inference that needs to be done.
'But I'm far from alone here in having trouble making that leap at this point.'
Understood. The intent of my post(s) was to offer some food for thought to anyone having trouble making the Walter/Walter That Was connections.
Appreciate your response.
PS - Happy Holidays and here's to the New Year!
At the least the New Year will start out with some new Fringe! :DD
Gene
December 15, 2012 at 7:33PM EST Reply to CommentWAHHHH I dont like Fringe wahhh it should be (insert nonsense, then again this WAS a nonsensical episode :P )
ENJOY what few episodes are left! They have ZERO choice at making the rest balls to the wall.
Intellectual Ninja Exactly, Gene... or is it Jean?
December 15, 2012 at 8:06PM ESTRyan's descent back into bitching about Fringe and the things he simply can't get over is beyond tiresome.
Emily
December 15, 2012 at 10:08PM EST Reply to CommentWhile I agree with some of your sentiments about the 4th season of fringe (although I didn't hate it as much as some people) I am, like the 5th season, trying to ignore the fact that rebooted the timeline, but in answer to some of your queries it has been established that the fringe history up until walter crossed back from reiden lake is exactly the same
Jeri Nelson
December 16, 2012 at 1:17AM EST Reply to CommentThe only thing that upsets me is where is the other universe? Is there not another universe now? If there is are the observers taking over their world too? And what about Peter's baby with fake Olivia? Why would September show Peter his son and tell him about this child only to never have Peter meet him? He never told Olivia about the baby either.
Intellectual Ninja The baby doesn't exist. Because Peter "died" when he and Walter crossed back over in 1985, Henry was never born.
December 16, 2012 at 10:30AM ESTThe other Universe is alive and well (we think). Last season, why Bell was taking his and The Walter that Was's plan into full fruition to create another universe by destroying the two they knew of, Peter used the machine to close the bridge between worlds.
Now, it was that bridge that was healing that other universe, so who knows if things got worse or stayed status quo, but this season has given us some foreshadowing that we may be bumping into them again. First was when they all found Walter's cold storage and we saw the screen that viewed into the other side. Second, was this most recent episode where Walter saw a green fairy, green because This Side's Fringe credits were colored green, then the fair went up to Walter's portal and saw her doppelgänger from the Other Side, but colored red, because the credits for Fringe on the Other Side were always colored red.
So, I believe we'll be seeing the other universe, the Other Side, and they will be instrumental to defeating the Observers.
But Henry, the only ones who remember Henry are the Observers (because as Olivia said, they see time differently), and Peter, because they told Peter about him.
MIFUS
December 16, 2012 at 10:29AM EST Reply to CommentI actually can't remembersince what event walter 'forgot' Peter. When peter vanished, walter didn't seem to remember him, but was aware he had a son. I used to think that walter went to the other universe to abduct peter, but september couldn't save peter from drowning..
So that actually means the last scene could be real memories of walter, because the you can see peter drowning.. And not beingsaved..
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