Why the entire Academy should not be allowed to vote on every category
Someone tell this guy what a re-recording mixer does
"What does this thing do," one Academy voter apparently wonders.
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In case you needed reminding that there are those in the Academy ignorant to the various crafts and trades recognized at the Oscars, I direct you to this Hollywood Reporter piece built around one brave soul's ballot and open reasoning about his vote.
The voter is a member of the Academy's directors branch and, quite frankly, is a perfect case study for why the Academy should not be allowed to vote for the winners in every category. This is my opinion, of course, but maybe this will be a bit of illumination as to why I have that opinion. Because there are guys like this throughout the organization. There are plenty who are astute and get the nuance in this or that category. But many simply don't.
Take Best Sound Mixing, for instance. It's a shame to me that a member of an esteemed branch such as the directors apparently has no clue whatsoever as to what a re-recording mixer does. "This is the award for sound that is mixed on the set on the day," he says, clueless, getting it dead wrong.
Yes, production mixers -- sound mixers who, you guessed it, mix the sound during physical production -- are recognized in the Best Sound Mixing category. But equally if not more important are the re-recording mixers, who are responsible for bringing in all the sound elements -- score, sound effects, foley, etc. -- into a final mix for the film. Of course, In Contention readers are well aware of this. I think we've done a decent job of educating along the way.
But this guy doesn't get it. "I’m going to dismiss 'Life of Pi' because it seems like very much of a postproduction movie," he says. You have got to be kidding me. A film director. In the Academy's directors branch. Doesn't understand that post-production is ABSOLUTELY VITAL to sound mixing.
His vote ultimately went to "Les Misérables" because of the difficulty of wrangling the sound track on set, and that's fair. But to not only dismiss but be wholly unaware of the importance of post-production in this category is just sad and unfortunate. And again, this guy is a director, so if anyone should be aware of all facets of film production…
At least he has some understanding of what sound editing is. Though it's not just about sound effects.
Why is he voting for "Lincoln" for Best Production Design? Is it because of the acute attention to period detail? The immaculate design work of Rick Carter and his team? The lived-in quality of the sets that made them feel like real environments? Nope. "I have a lot of personal respect for Steven Spielberg and Kathleen Kennedy and I want to help the film, so when I can throw it a vote, like here, I will." Politics.
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Also, I'm listening to the "Lincoln" score again right now. John Williams has certainly been guilty of "self-plagiarism" in the past. I don't think that was the case here, though, and trotting out that old criticism seems to indicate the voter isn't really aware of Williams' subtle work in the film and what it really is.
How about some staggeringly profound reasoning on the Best Makeup and Hairstyling category? "'The Hobbit?' You know, whatever—it’s what they do every time." Whatever that means.
How about this doozy on Best Film Editing: "'Life of Pi' is interesting because it was mostly computer-generated; I think there were not that many decisions to be made with editing." What, do you think they sat in a room and drew this movie, pal? You think Claudio Miranda and his camera department didn't deliver plenty of coverage in that tank over in Taichung that editor Tim Squyres and director Ang Lee had to dig through to decide on the best construction for the movie?
This gets right around to the other unfortunate ignorance I've noticed this year about "Life of Pi," as if it were some cartoon fully crafted in the computer. There was a tangible workmanship to the photography in this film. This voter says he is "suspect" of CGI productions in the Best Cinematography category because of the amount of manipulation that can be done in post, and that's fair enough. Perhaps a bit rigidly traditional, but it's fair. Nevertheless, it points to the lingering absurdity that some feel the film doesn't deserve recognition in this category because, in their uneducated opinion, the photography was purely a result of CGI. False.
Some would argue (and many have) that having just the Academy's branches vote on their own category would be too akin to the guild awards circuit, which is a silly reason in and of itself. The Academy should be about awarding expertise, so why not do so with expert opinions? And why make decisions based on a circuit that has been built up to ride your coattails? Also, it's not like everyone in these guilds is also in the Academy. The Academy is still an exclusive group and that can yield exclusive opinions on the year's best work that differ from those of the wider voting bodies in the guilds and various industry societies.
Additionally, this voter doesn't quite grasp the preferential ballot. "Do we have to put a film in every slot? Because what I want is for my best picture choice to have the best possible shot, so why even give any support to the others?" You're not giving support to others. Your vote goes to your number one film, period. If the film you voted number one doesn't have enough number one votes to continue through the rounds of voting, only then would your number two become your number one. But if you want your vote counted, do all you can do: put your number one film in the number one slot. Stop playing games.
Truly, this is one of a number of reasons the Academy should go back to five nominees as soon as possible. The entire process is becoming a mockery, and people who don't even understand the system are trying to rig it. It's embarrassing.
Then there's flipping an iPhone to make his Best Animated Feature Film vote. There's poor Quvenzhané Wallis not getting his vote because he can't pronounce her name. It also feels like this person is regurgitating press talking points, which happens every year ("Lincoln" is a "history lesson," Christoph Waltz is a "co-lead" so that's a "fake nomination," etc.). And he's "heard good things" about "Paperman," so that gets his animated short vote (open to the entire Academy for the first time this year).
But while there's no accounting for taste, surely there's accounting for intent and understanding of a fellow filmmaker's process, right? This person's personal opinions on various nominees, I'm not going to argue those. He's free to them. Even if I smacked my forehead reading the bit about "Amour"'s original screenplay, it's his right to feel that way. But one ought to be free to one's educated opinion on these categories, or else, what is one's vote really worth?
Look, I'm sorry. It riles me up. I truly believe that the film industry thrives on the back of craftsmen and women on a daily basis. So sue me if I think they deserve a little more consideration than they get when it comes to what is supposed to be the most prestigious film award in the game. Also, that hand up there in the photo, tweaking the sound mixer? That belongs to sound re-recording mixer Kevin O'Connell, who has been nominated for an Oscar 20 times. At least know what his job is.
And to circle back around to the THR piece, this isn't "brutal honesty." Let's not treat it with kid gloves. It's brutal ignorance. And don't get mad at me for saying so. No one asked this voter to trot out that ignorance for the world to see.
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Best Adapted Screenplay
Best Original Screenplay
Best Cinematography
Best Costume Design
Best Film Editing
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Best Original Score
Best Original Song
Best Production Design
Best Sound Editing
Best Sound Mixing
Best Visual Effects
Best Animated Feature Film
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Next 86 CommentsMike B.
February 20, 2013 at 4:19PM EST Reply to CommentMy favorite thing is that he says he won't for Ang Lee because "Life of Pi is very well-directed and extremely well-thought-out, but I was put off by the religious message at the end."
So then if you're put off by the religious message WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR IT FOR BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY?
GUEST 232 LOL, right?
February 20, 2013 at 4:26PM ESTJoseph
February 20, 2013 at 4:23PM EST Reply to CommentGreat job, Kris. I think your readers would make more informed decisions.
jetenreiro
February 20, 2013 at 4:27PM EST Reply to CommentKris your point is well taken and you are right but I'm not sure the proposed solution of limiting voting to members of each branch (with which in fact I agree with but with reservations) will solve it. Sound mixers can still play politics or try to vote against rivals or rig it.
It's the nature of humans voting to select subjective awards.
I'm not even sure that limiting the voting will make it marginally better except in the one context that ultimately would lead me to support limiting, which is in the "ignorance" factor. Someone shouldn't be voting on sound that doesn't understand sound. Etc
That said, ignorance of, say, tax policy doesn't stop people from voting in political elections, etc. and those matter more.
Kristopher Tapley "Sound mixers can still play politics or try to vote against rivals or rig it."
February 20, 2013 at 4:40PM ESTThis is absolutely true. But at least it would be a step in the right direction, at least in my opinion, to stem the vote from informed opinions.
And socio-political election talk doesn't really compute. At the end of the day, this is, after all, just a film awards show.
jetenreiro Agree that voting based on knowledge is better- just referencing politics because it shows that we as a society tend to value broad participation over rational or informed voting. If it happens in politics it sure as hell is going to happen in a beauty pageant.
February 20, 2013 at 5:09PM ESTBut no disagreement that it (probably) shouldn't be like that
David B.
February 20, 2013 at 4:44PM EST Reply to CommentYou have nothing to apologize for, Kris. Anyone who loves movies, loves the Oscars and wants them to be meaningful should be offended at the wrongheaded approach this voter (and probably countless others, unfortunately) took in making his picks. As you say, people are entitled to their opinions. But it's enormously disrespectful to the nominated artists and craftspeople to not give their work thoughtful consideration, and to dismiss certain nominees for superficial or political reasons that have nothing to do with the quality of the work in a given category, which is all that should matter.
Paul Outlaw
February 20, 2013 at 4:51PM EST Reply to CommentAfter all he said about Amour, I'm shocked that he actually voted for Riva.
Paul Outlaw PS. It's amazing that one can even think about trying to predict the winners after reading an article like that and also being aware that a huge chunk of Academy members don't even vote.
February 20, 2013 at 4:55PM ESTAaron "being aware that a huge chunk of Academy members don't even vote."
February 20, 2013 at 5:16PM ESTAGREE. As far as the director in the article, I thought he was oftentimes hilarious in his predictions and strangely enough, I agree with a lot of his choices in the major categories. Honestly, his ignorance doesn't shock me in the slightest. It's just the results you get when you open every category up to every major branch. Do we really think Jennifer Aniston or Dakota Fanning are gurus of sound mixing, as well?
But I agree with Paul that what REALLY shocks me is the number of people who just don't even vote. I just read recently that Jean Dujardin admitted to not voting this year. WHAT? I understand that many are busy, but to not vote for the most prestigious film awards on the planet, when thousands and thousands of artists around the world would kill to be a part of this organization? Just blows my mind.
Chronos Perhaps Dujardin hasn't seen a lot of movies and feels that he shouldn't vote because of that.
February 20, 2013 at 6:08PM ESTHans That's an interesting point. It's enough of a chore I'm sure for the average English-speaking Academy voter to sit through 5 Foreign Language films. I'm sure there is some degree of reluctance in taking on the task of sifting through forty-some odd English language titles for those whom English is not a first language.
February 20, 2013 at 7:39PM ESTThe Dude In Dujardin's case, it's possible he wants to watch the films on theaters, and for people that live outside the US, this can be very hard to do, since some movies are either released well after the Oscars or go straight to DVD.
February 20, 2013 at 8:02PM ESTGuy Lodge I think any member who chooses not to vote because they haven't seen enough of the films to make an informed decision -- and I'd bet that goes for a lot of them -- is doing absolutely the right thing. Voters shouldn't feel obliged to vote regardless.
February 20, 2013 at 9:08PM ESTGautam
February 20, 2013 at 5:00PM EST Reply to CommentFrankly this doesn't come to me as a surprise. I think most if not all Academy members DO NOT fill the ballot objectively. Personal biases and prejudices have a big role to play. And obviously, lack of knowledge about different crafts is another issue too. This revelation is just the tip of the iceberg since I am sure, the percentage of actors not knowing about sound mixing or for that matter other technical crafts, would be much more than directors.
John G.
February 20, 2013 at 5:05PM EST Reply to CommentShould we try to guess the director? Brett Ratner maybe?
THAT WAS TOTALLY MY GUESS!!!
February 20, 2013 at 5:17PM ESTPaul Outlaw I'd say his remarks about online voting and "Live and Let Die" place him more in the Friedkin-Bogdanovich age group.
February 20, 2013 at 5:34PM ESTDylanS lol, I thought Ratner too, which would be so ironic considering he almost produced last years telecast.
February 20, 2013 at 11:03PM ESTLiz I agree with Paul that it seems more like an older voter. Online speculation is leaning overwhelmingly toward Friedkin, and I have to say, I can absolutely hear him saying a lot of this. Parts of it seem a bit too mean-spirited to be Bogdanovich.
February 21, 2013 at 12:46PM ESTLpdt
February 20, 2013 at 5:06PM EST Reply to CommentPERFECTLY SAID.
Lpdt
February 20, 2013 at 5:07PM EST Reply to CommentPerfectly said.
loyal_mehnert
February 20, 2013 at 5:19PM EST Reply to CommentHey, whatever helps Lincoln win.
Martin
February 20, 2013 at 5:23PM EST Reply to CommentShocking, coming from a director. Still, most critics are just as uninformed if not more so about the various categories.
Ricardo
February 20, 2013 at 5:26PM EST Reply to CommentI partially agree with you. I think the craft categories should be decided by the craft people.
The short films, on the other hand, everyone should be able to vote. Is this guy a moron? Yes. But that isn't the system's fault.
Jon
February 20, 2013 at 5:27PM EST Reply to CommentThis coming from the same guy who flat out refused to recognize that Meryl Streep had momentum for her Oscar win last year, and instead blew it off as he always does when he refuses to think outside the box. Sorry buddy, you lost all credibility when you flew that race out the window. You should take notes on how you judged this director in his voting; you basically did the same thing last year.
Dooby
February 20, 2013 at 5:33PM EST Reply to CommentThat was one of the most painful things I have ever read.
Dooby I'm talking of course about the Hollywood Reporter piece, not your excellent response Kris.
February 20, 2013 at 5:35PM ESTJon
February 20, 2013 at 5:40PM EST Reply to CommentThis coming from the same guy who flat out refused to recognize that Meryl Streep had momentum last year when she won the Oscar, and instead blew it off as he always does when he won't think outside the box. Sorry buddy, you lost all credibility when you threw that race out the window. You should take notes on how you judged this director in his voting; you basically did the same thing last year.
Kristopher Tapley This comment makes absolutely no sense.
February 20, 2013 at 5:41PM ESTsquasher88 @JON I don't think you can honestly follow this site and make that accusation. Kris is always thoughtful in considering each category.
February 20, 2013 at 6:34PM ESTGuy Lodge Wow, the Streepoholics are relentless.
February 20, 2013 at 9:11PM ESTKristopher Tapley I thought they were in hibernation!
February 20, 2013 at 9:42PM ESTDylanS Oh god, when "August: Osage County" comes around we're gonna have to deal with this shit on a regular basis again, aren't we?
February 20, 2013 at 11:05PM ESTsomeperson @Dylans Give her a fourth! She deserves a fourth!
February 21, 2013 at 12:49AM ESTGuy Lodge She's so overdue.
February 21, 2013 at 7:15PM ESTAndrej
February 20, 2013 at 5:47PM EST Reply to CommentDude's full of shit, but you gotta love his way of reasoning.
"So I guess I’m going to vote for Les Miserables here, only because of how well they aged Hugh Jackman. And I think they did a good job beating the shit out of Anne Hathaway, as well.”
“Curfew is the least depressing of five films guaranteed to prevent you from getting laid, as I personally learned.”
"I also don’t vote for anyone whose name I can’t pronounce. Quvez---? Quzen---? Quyzenay? Her parents really put her in a hole by giving her that name -- Alphabet Wallis. The truth is, it’s a very sweet but immature performance from a 9-year-old." <-- omg. I can't... I don't.
Martin The part about Wallis in the article shows the director's hypocrisy. He's not voting for Jennifer Lawrence because she insulted her competition on SNL (which she didn't write), yet he goes on to insult Wallis's name using a very similar joke that Lawrence used against her on SNL. Remember the bit about the alphabet calling and wanting their letters back, and in that THR article the director calls Wallis alphabet Wallis.
February 21, 2013 at 12:39AM ESTAndrej Yeah, I recall that SNL bit, though what shocked me most from this guy's quote was that he was arguing that her performance isn't very mature for a... uh, 9-year old? The layers of "what" here are immeasurable.
February 21, 2013 at 7:08PM ESTRoman
February 20, 2013 at 5:49PM EST Reply to CommentI agree that this guy's ignorance as an Academy member director is baffling, but I must admit I laughed out loud at "Alphabet Wallis," whose first name must truly be among the hardest to initially pronounce in Oscar history.
GL
February 20, 2013 at 5:51PM EST Reply to CommentWell Kris, you can't control every single vote. People are different and have different reasoning and tastes. I do however think that all members of the Academy should be forced to watch all films nominated in order to vote in a category.
Kristopher Tapley Of course I can't control votes. Nor should I. It's their vote, their right. I certainly have an opinion of how educated that vote ought to be, though.
February 20, 2013 at 5:57PM ESTsquasher88
February 20, 2013 at 6:30PM EST Reply to Comment"And to circle back around to the THR piece, this isn't "brutal honesty." Let's not treat it with kid gloves. It's brutal ignorance."
THANK YOU! I don't understand why so many people are celebrating this guy's honesty and encouraging him. It's so disappointing.
The Dude
February 20, 2013 at 6:31PM EST Reply to CommentSo this guy is not only an Academy member, but a director. Does that mean that, at some point, he was nominated for an Oscar (and maybe even won one!)? Because if that's the case then HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER. His reasoning for Animated Feature...gah, infuriating. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE ON THIS PLANET ANYMORE.
Guy Lodge "Does that mean that, at some point, he was nominated for an Oscar (and maybe even won one!)?"
February 20, 2013 at 9:13PM ESTNot necessarily. Plenty of Academy members have never been nominated for Oscars themselves. (It'd be a much smaller group if that were a prerequisite.)
JJ1
February 20, 2013 at 6:31PM EST Reply to CommentI know it sounds complicated, but maybe they can have the entire Academy vote for each category as they always do, but OTHER than the votes being counted by those from the coinciding branch ... only have a percentage of the votes from everyone else count towards the winner (like a random, secret percentage where you don't really have any way of knowing if your vote counted). I dont much like secret voting. But it would sure make the Oscars more unpredicatable/fun and still have the winners come up, likely, as worthy.
Andy H.
February 20, 2013 at 6:47PM EST Reply to CommentDoes no one else thing the original article is a fiction designed to generate discussion? I was reading it thinking it was an excellent work of trolling. Certainly looked like it was fun to write.
Kristopher Tapley I don't actually put it on the journalist to be that creative. Not his shtick.
February 20, 2013 at 7:15PM ESTJase
February 20, 2013 at 6:58PM EST Reply to CommentGood analysis Kris! I also love listening to your In Contention podcasts, but man your co-host Anne Thompson can be so smug and insufferable! Literally EVERY WEEK she berated you that "Argo cannot win [insert precursor award that Argo went on to take]." Seriously, go back and listen to the past few podcasts and bake some humble pie for her to swallow. There's no shame in getting an Oscar prediction wrong, but the way she talks down to you each week -- "I've talked to Academy members/You get too carried away!" -- really made her look even more foolish when Argo took the PGA (which she said it wouldn't), the SAG Ensemble (which she said it wouldn't) and the WGA (which she said it wouldn't). You don't get "carried away" nearly as much as she speaks in certitudes for things that aren't certain. Maybe next time, she should try leaving room for the possibility that she might be wrong. Not to mention knocking off the "So and so told me this and that" as if talking to a few people is a Nate Silver statistical sample.
Sam
February 20, 2013 at 7:04PM EST Reply to CommentWOW. wow wow wow wow wow. That THR article was absolutely horrifying, and thanks for your awesome response to it Kris. Im with you on each branch voting for their awards. And the things he said in the best picture race were insane! I discussed my desire to keep ten nominees with you on a previous board...and while this year I think we had enough quality films to have more than 5 slots, if people are just going to abuse and rig the balloting system, then fuck it. Lets go back to 5. I didnt really know that was happening.
Also, he is entitled to his opinions, but here are some reasons why they're incredibly ignorant:
*Anne Hathaway "Not just anybody can come in and kill one song" -umm actually as a musical theatre actor, thats what I do on a daily basis. Its called an audition, you show up and kill 30 seconds of a song or you dont get cast.
*"Silver Linings is a screenplay" - So good screenplays require no director? No one needs to decide what threads of the story they are going to highlight, the pacing of scenes, or provide blocking?
*"I also don’t vote for anyone whose name I can’t pronounce. Quvez---? Quzen---? Quyzenay?" ....kill me. Seriously dude? rude.
*Jennifer Lawrence "I was on the fence about, but she lost me with that Saturday Night Live bit; I thought it was mean-spirited and shows a lack of maturity on her part." - So you have ABSOLUTELY no sense of humor. You should also have no academy membership. Youre an embarrassment.
Ethan G.
February 20, 2013 at 7:06PM EST Reply to CommentMy "favorite" part: calling Jennifer Lawrence's bit on SNL "mean-spirited"... three sentences after making the exact same "alphabet" joke about Quvanzhané Wallis' name that Lawrence did. As you say, Kris, his personal opinions aside, is he even listening to himself?
caleb roth
February 20, 2013 at 7:10PM EST Reply to CommentIt's not Friedkin. A guy who directed The Exorcist knows what sound mixing means.
Haeneke Hooker
February 20, 2013 at 7:12PM EST Reply to CommentI agree that each craft branch should vote in their category and only them
But this guy nailed the acting categories. Riva, Phoenix, Hoffman all clearly the best in their fields, likely none win, so I give this guy a pass. His picks are a lot better than the other leaked ballots going for Hugh Jackman, Naomi Watts, Lawrence, DeNiro and the march to mediocrity.
Andy H. Watts? Mediocre? Have you SEEN The Impossible? And the degree of difficulty in Jackman's performance is pretty high. Very few actors are that versatile. On any other Day(-Lewis) I'd say the Oscar was his.
February 20, 2013 at 7:24PM ESTHaeneke Hooker Reply to comment...
February 20, 2013 at 8:35PM ESTHaeneke Hooker Yes, she was mediocre she was BARELY in the 2nd part of the movie. And the first half all she did was whimper and float away in water.
February 20, 2013 at 8:40PM ESTAnd Jackman was AWFUL in Les Mis. Degree of difficulty? He was terrible for most of it so I guess it was difficult because he sucked in it. He is the worst performance in that category. And the movie itself was even worse. The fact mediocre films and performances are receiving the most Oscars and the films that will actually be regarded as classics get nothing is a joke.
Jeremy
February 20, 2013 at 8:30PM EST Reply to CommentThat ballot is a travesty, but I can't agree that limiting the vote in each category to its own members is the proper solution. The entire concept of film appreciation -- and, by extension, film criticism -- is that knowledgeable viewers can hold informed opinions about various branches of filmmaking, even if they aren't technically familiar with the craft. I think narrowing the voting process to mirror the guilds would unfairly penalize knowledgeable Academy members. It's unfortunate that this particular numbskull has a say, but that's a risk of the democratic process, and I prefer that to a system that's so severely restricted that only a small segment of the Academy votes on each category.
Kristopher Tapley Then maybe it's like JJ offered above, a percentage of the en masse vote is figured in. I dunno. I think severe restriction and a handful of hurt feelings is better than the alternative, though.
February 20, 2013 at 8:36PM ESTHaeneke Hooker WTF are you talking about, Zero Dark Thirty, Phoenix, Riva, Hoffman, and Hathaway is about as good of a ballot as I've seen leaked and you label it a travesty. What a f*cking joke. Some of you have no sense of humor. I think its hilarious so many of you are freaking out over his reasons.
February 20, 2013 at 8:43PM ESTJeremy The problem with the ballot isn't his final choices, it's his reasoning, which suggests arbitrary choices rather than informed decision-making. He also betrays a severe lack of knowledge about the craftsmanship involved in many of the categories. That's disappointing.
February 20, 2013 at 8:48PM ESTAmir
February 20, 2013 at 8:31PM EST Reply to Comment"I’m going to vote for it because I just felt like a million bucks after watching it."
The most infuriatingly stupid reason to vote for a film that's supposed to represent "the best."
It's funny that he says The Gatekeepers was the most powerful film but he disregards it in favor of something that cheered him up. It's pretty sad.
Amir What's even more upsetting is that his remarks on the documentary category are the least shocking thing about his voting. His line of thinking of best director, best short animated, etc. is absolutely ridiculous.
February 20, 2013 at 8:34PM ESTCoffeys3
February 20, 2013 at 8:46PM EST Reply to CommentKris,
Excellent and passionate article that highlights a real issue. But I wonder 1) what about the directors that really, truly understand Sound Mixing? Shouldn't they get to vote, too? Shame there's not an intelligence test we can give every voter.
2) I'm a huge supporter of the 5+ Best Picture format, so maybe take this with a grain of salt, but I don't think this idiot director incorrectly rigging the system is much different than the nominating process when we had 5. And I keep hearing that this whole 5+ has been a mockery, but it's given us A Serious Man, District 9, Inception, Winter's Bone, Up, Toy Story 3, Amour, Beasts of the Southern Wild, Django Unchained as Best Picture nominees that wouldn't be otherwise. Surely those outweigh the missteps of The Blind Side and Extremely Loud, right?
Kristopher Tapley To be clear, I said mockery in response to those trying to rig it. I'm happy that there have been wonderful films nominated that wouldn't otherwise have been. But I like the cleaner exclusivity of five. It's a personal thing, though I do think the bungling to rig is an issue. It may not be wide-spread (a lo of voters don't even understand the preferential process), but it's out there.
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