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sepinwall
Game of Thrones, "Valar Morghulis" discussion for book readers
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Same routine as we've been doing for most of the season: to keep book spoilers out of the review comments, I'm setting up this discussion thread. Talk to your heart's content about the ways in which the season finale was similar and different to the events of "A Clash of Kings," how this will affect adaptations of later books, etc. I'll post a link to the review when it's up.

 
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And here's the review link: http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/season-finale-review-game-of-thrones-valar-morghulis-a-horse-with-no-neck

 
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And here's the review link: http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/season-finale-review-game-of-thrones-valar-morghulis-a-horse-with-no-neck

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So I guess I will jump in here first with my thoughts and say I was largely disappointed with Valar Morghulis. Going in I knew this was going to be a much harder book to adapt than the first. Partly because it is longer and they are still doing it in 10 episodes, wow what this year could have done with even 2 more episodes could have been wonderful, but so much more expensive I would think and all that extra money went to Blackwater which was the high-point of the year. This finale just hit the head on all the problems of the season of too much story to tell and not enough forward plot movement.

And the oppisite of Alan's comment I thought this episode probably played better for non-book readers than us in the know. As confirmed by my friend who excitedly called me after his first viewing to talk about the episode. I say this mainly because of the House of the Undying scene where when not comparing it to the books would have been very cool and interesting I suppose but so greatly pales in comparison to the chapter in the book. I am glad they got in how weird and mystifying the place is, albeit in a different way but still got it. Two major things I am sad that didn't make it were Rhaegar Targaryen and Elia Martell and talk of The Prince That Was Promised as I believe it a big deal to the end game. I can see them not wanting to so strongly foreshadow the red wedding with that vision which is ok. Also importantly missing were the UNDYING, it is their house and all. I find it funny that Dany only has 5 chapters in aCoK and yet they only got through 4 of them. I guess they wanted to wait and decide what they were going to to do about Strong Belwas and Arstan Whitebeard aka Barristan the Bold until next year.

And so Jon Snow ends up at the same place just takes a few herpy derpy turns to get there. Which I am glad Alan knows why Jon is doing it as motivations were only hinted at. Though this has got to be my least liked story arc of the year, while I was riveted and hooked by everything going on with Jon in the books. Hey where is Ghost?

Now that I am done complaining I can go on to things I liked. Loved the way they handled Jaqen's face change and thought it was a cool effect. Just a nice punctuation to a well done story arc for Arya. Lots of little to big changes for what happened with her along the way but got to the sameplace and hit the same beats. I thought the nailed Theon's arc perfectly all up until the sacking of Winterfell. I guess the writers thought since we don't have the budget or time we will just leave as a mystery of who burned down Winterfell until next year. And a nice tie up to all things happening in King's Landing everything handled there was done well all year I thought. And so if Varys is to be believed it was definitely Cercei who ordered the hit on Tyrion. What I thought. I think they explicitly told you who did it in the show as a lot of noobies were confused by what happened to him in the battle.

And fucking wow! White Walkers and their undead wright horde marching along. Very fucking cool looking. Though just having them leave Sam alone is kind of cheesy and I guess this was easier to do then having a crazy fight at the fist of the first men but yeah we will see what they do with this next season. Glad that they clearly showed the difference between the White Walkers and the wrights so don't have to explain that to my non-book-reader friends again. We are so close to getting Sam the Slayer I can feel it....

 
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It seems really odd how Benioff and Weiss chose to end the Theon story. All the non-book readers in Alan's thread are confused about what happened there. I actually am a bit confused as well, even though I know what happened in the book. The biggest problem is that Bran and friends never ask what happened.

 
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It seems really odd how Benioff and Weiss chose to end the Theon story. All the non-book readers in Alan's thread are confused about what happened there. I actually am a bit confused as well, even though I know what happened in the book. The biggest problem is that Bran and friends never ask what happened.

Myself, I'm glad that the HBO folks didn't reveal what's happened to Theon -- that he's going to become Reek, the Bastard of Bolton's punching bag. This way they avoid having to reveal that Bolton and the Frey's are about to betray King Robb and perpetrate the Red Wedding. I suspect we'll have a big reveal next season, when we see Reek for the first time and don't quite recognize him at first. That could be a chilling moment and make for some great TV.

 
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Myself, I'm glad that the HBO folks didn't reveal what's happened to Theon -- that he's going to become Reek, the Bastard of Bolton's punching bag. This way they avoid having to reveal that Bolton and the Frey's are about to betray King Robb and perpetrate the Red Wedding. I suspect we'll have a big reveal next season, when we see Reek for the first time and don't quite recognize him at first. That could be a chilling moment and make for some great TV.

Why is Robb Stark getting married with the wrong gods?

 
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