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Game of Thrones, "The Rains of Castamere" for book readers
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Same drill as always: if you've read the GRRM books and want to discuss how they relate to the TV show — and to this week's episode, "The Rains of Castamere" — this is the place to do it, and NOT in the review comments.

 
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I'm not at all surprised there are no comments here in the book readers' board...
Everyone is in the newbs' board laughing at all the shock and awe.
Speaking of, scroll down on this page to watch reactions of newbs watching the Red Wedding. Pure gold.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/02/the-red-wedding-hbo-s-game-of-thrones-reveals-its-latest-twist.html

 
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monkified
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So, that could have easily been the season finale cliff hanger and good place to split the books. But seeing how there's one episode left, do they show the other wedding or save that for next season?

 
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iuqiddis
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So, that could have easily been the season finale cliff hanger and good place to split the books. But seeing how there's one episode left, do they show the other wedding or save that for next season?

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I guess they'll show it this season just to even out the good guys-bad guys death toll. It would be some sort of justice. If that doesn't happen, it will be a long wait to see Joeffrey's offing. I mean in the books they are slightly off set, but still close enough. Though my memory might be failing me here...

I'm actually more curious about Talisa's offing. In the books she's (her analogue) still possibly alive, and may have escaped with the poor folk from Riverrun during the Lannister siege. In the book, a child was implied, thus complicating the claim to the North. But maybe that was a red herring, and to simplify things for TV, they just offed her.

It's sort of what they are doing with Jon's parentage story. There's a lot of foreshadowing about it in the books, from Ned's dreams/hallucinations to what Dany see's in Qarth. They sort of glossed over it. But they'll have to reintroduce that story back at some point.

 
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rowan729
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I guess they'll show it this season just to even out the good guys-bad guys death toll. It would be some sort of justice. If that doesn't happen, it will be a long wait to see Joeffrey's offing. I mean in the books they are slightly off set, but still close enough. Though my memory might be failing me here...

I'm actually more curious about Talisa's offing. In the books she's (her analogue) still possibly alive, and may have escaped with the poor folk from Riverrun during the Lannister siege. In the book, a child was implied, thus complicating the claim to the North. But maybe that was a red herring, and to simplify things for TV, they just offed her.

It's sort of what they are doing with Jon's parentage story. There's a lot of foreshadowing about it in the books, from Ned's dreams/hallucinations to what Dany see's in Qarth. They sort of glossed over it. But they'll have to reintroduce that story back at some point.

They will absolutely NOT show that this year/this season. Book 3 is being split into two seasons for a reason-there are three weddings, and we've already had two. There has to be some balance. Too much story to cram into the next episode to lead us up to THAT. We have to see the true reaction of all the major players to the RW first, which is important to future events. I would guess the other thing will happen early on in season 4, maybe by episode 4 or 5 in order to deal with the aftermath of THAT over a few episodes. Seriously, if you do THAT next week, what the hell do you have for next year?

For further proof, this episode could serve as the season finale for this year, very easily. This episode was used to tie up a lot of story lines and show the results of what's been building for a while, and next week will set the pieces up for next years Game. Think about it-not much important has really happened in the last two season finales, other than the super CGI'd endings that involved the dragons and the White Walkers. Otherwise, GoT does season finales as though they are the prologue to next season. They tend NOT to balance things out with season finales, they only hint at what is next to come after knocking your socks off the previous week, ie "Baelor" and "Blackwater".

 
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darthzombie
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So, that could have easily been the season finale cliff hanger and good place to split the books. But seeing how there's one episode left, do they show the other wedding or save that for next season?

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I doubt they are going to have Joff's wedding in the season finale but will happen pretty early in season 4. But I have a prediction for the final scene of this season will be Beric and the Brotherhood without Banners coming across Catelyn's body in the river and reviving her and creating Lady Stoneheart. I know that is not revealed until later but will give a promise for revenge from the events of the red wedding for the tv audience.

 
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yitzike

I was hoping that they'd bring back Greatjon Umber for this episode, just to watch him drink Freys under the table and still take several people to subdue. Oh well. Seeing as how Rickon is heading for Last Hearth, I'm sure we haven't seen the last of the Umbers.

Interestingly, Wendel Manderly is listed in the guest cast on the Game of Thrones wiki. He's the fat bearded guy sitting with Edmure and Blackfish, and gets killed. This ought to mean that they will eventually introduce Lord Wyman "Too Fat to Sit a Horse" Manderly. My vote is for Ian McNiece! (He was Baron Harkonnen in the Dune sci-fi mini-series, among some other good roles, and he was originally supposed to play Magister Illyrio but had to drop out).

Because, you know, clearly the casting directors are reading my comments.

 
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mtk41

I would be shocked if they don't do Joffrey's wedding in the finale.

 
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rowan729
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I would be shocked if they don't do Joffrey's wedding in the finale.

Well, I would be prepared to be shocked. There have been NO scenes of preparations for that wedding, and those are important. Sansa only just married Tyrion, it is waaaaay too soon for Joff's wedding to happen. There has been no set up for it at all other than characters saying the wedding will happen.

There are 3 weddings in the 3rd book, and there is no way the show creators do all 3 in one season. That is too much plot to handle so lightly. Plus, they do not in any way want to diminish what happened at the RW, and Joff's wedding would make episode 9 NOT be the highlight of the season, so to speak, and the creators clearly wanted the RW to be the penultimate event this year.

The plan has always been to split book 3 into two seasons, and the natural dividing line is the RW, not Joff's wedding. None of the pieces are in place for that part of the Game yet. I would expect some foreshadowing of the royal wedding perhaps in the finale this year, but not the actual wedding itself. That'll take place early on next year. I think we all know pretty well what next year's final scene will be, and that will be the endcap to the RW. Expect this Sunday's show to play out exctly like the other season finales, with no real major events, just fallout from the previous episode and setting up possible events for next year.

 
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monkified
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Well, I would be prepared to be shocked. There have been NO scenes of preparations for that wedding, and those are important. Sansa only just married Tyrion, it is waaaaay too soon for Joff's wedding to happen. There has been no set up for it at all other than characters saying the wedding will happen.

There are 3 weddings in the 3rd book, and there is no way the show creators do all 3 in one season. That is too much plot to handle so lightly. Plus, they do not in any way want to diminish what happened at the RW, and Joff's wedding would make episode 9 NOT be the highlight of the season, so to speak, and the creators clearly wanted the RW to be the penultimate event this year.

The plan has always been to split book 3 into two seasons, and the natural dividing line is the RW, not Joff's wedding. None of the pieces are in place for that part of the Game yet. I would expect some foreshadowing of the royal wedding perhaps in the finale this year, but not the actual wedding itself. That'll take place early on next year. I think we all know pretty well what next year's final scene will be, and that will be the endcap to the RW. Expect this Sunday's show to play out exctly like the other season finales, with no real major events, just fallout from the previous episode and setting up possible events for next year.

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Ya I think this makes sense. In season one the beheading of Ned was the episode prior to the finale. Also, we've only seen one scene with Tyrion and Sansa, and I imagine that the show will want to develop that a little more (too much good material to work with) before that ends at Joffrey's wedding. I'll give it 3 episodes into season 4 before the wedding.

 
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I would be shocked if they don't do Joffrey's wedding in the finale.

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Another argument against Joff's wedding in the finale:

The whole point behind splitting Book 3 into two seasons wasn't just because there was so much going on that Benioff and Weiss wanted to take their time. They HAVE to slow down, or they'll outpace the source material. Sure, there's stil 2 more books to go before they catch up. But Martin is writing these books incredibly slowly. Best case (and I'm being optimistic), he'll take 4 years to write each book. That would put Book 6 out in 2015 and book 7 out in 2019. But let's be honest, the final book in an epic fantasy is often the hardest to wrap up. So realistically I'd put the last one out in 2020.

Unless the producers want to start working at David Chase's schedule (16-21 month breaks), they've got to draw this out as much as they can. Saving Joff's wedding for next season is a really good way to do that.

 
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