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Game of Thrones, "Blackwater" discussion for book readers
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Same drill as always. No talking about the George R.R. Martin books in my episodic reviews, so talk about anything and everything related to them and "Blackwater" here. I'll post a link to the episode review here when it's up.

 
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And here's the review: http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-game-of-thrones-blackwater-a-drink-before-the-war

 
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And here's the review: http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-game-of-thrones-blackwater-a-drink-before-the-war

What a great episode. Brilliantly done. I had high hopes for it and was not let down at all!

 
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And here's the review: http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/review-game-of-thrones-blackwater-a-drink-before-the-war

Wasnt it a little weird that they didnt show "the giant chain in the water to trap the attacking ships on the burning water" trick that Tyrion used on the books, i dont think it was that more expensive that a lot of the other things they did show on the battle.. maybe they decided that they would have needed to set it up in previous episodes or that explaining how Stannis and some of his forces still managed to escape it at the end will get in the way of ending the battle with Daddy Lannister arriving to the rescue.

 
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Who was the man who tried to kill Tyrion?
And was it the same person from the books?

 
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Wasnt it a little weird that they didnt show "the giant chain in the water to trap the attacking ships on the burning water" trick that Tyrion used on the books, i dont think it was that more expensive that a lot of the other things they did show on the battle.. maybe they decided that they would have needed to set it up in previous episodes or that explaining how Stannis and some of his forces still managed to escape it at the end will get in the way of ending the battle with Daddy Lannister arriving to the rescue.

There's a lot of very expensive stuff they got to leave out by not showing the chain- we never really saw the harbor- the boats landed on a beach instead, and we didn't have to see close-ups of multiple boats. Filming on the water means everything takes twice as long and costs four times as much. There's a reason two of the most legendarily expensive and difficult movies to film were Waterworld and Titanic.

 
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darthzombie
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Who was the man who tried to kill Tyrion?
And was it the same person from the books?

It was Ser Mandon Moore of the Kingsguard in the books and I believe the same person in the show.

 
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Wasnt it a little weird that they didnt show "the giant chain in the water to trap the attacking ships on the burning water" trick that Tyrion used on the books, i dont think it was that more expensive that a lot of the other things they did show on the battle.. maybe they decided that they would have needed to set it up in previous episodes or that explaining how Stannis and some of his forces still managed to escape it at the end will get in the way of ending the battle with Daddy Lannister arriving to the rescue.

No as they had none of the build up scenes to the chain in the show like in the book, I had a good feeling it was being left out. And not having it and consolidating all of the wildfire into one boat/explosion really simplified the Tyrion's ploy but still accomplished the goal. Having one money shot made it easier and cheaper than sticking with the books events as told. I was also really glad Bronn still got to have his moment, which was beautifully staged and shot of him getting to be the linchpin of said plan.

 
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darthzombie
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Wasnt it a little weird that they didnt show "the giant chain in the water to trap the attacking ships on the burning water" trick that Tyrion used on the books, i dont think it was that more expensive that a lot of the other things they did show on the battle.. maybe they decided that they would have needed to set it up in previous episodes or that explaining how Stannis and some of his forces still managed to escape it at the end will get in the way of ending the battle with Daddy Lannister arriving to the rescue.

No as they had none of the build up scenes to the chain in the show like in the book, I had a good feeling it was being left out. And not having it and consolidating all of the wildfire into one boat/explosion really simplified the Tyrion's ploy but still accomplished the goal. Having one money shot made it easier and cheaper than sticking with the books events as told. I was also really glad Bronn still got to have his moment, which was beautifully staged and shot of him getting to be the linchpin of said plan.

 
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darthzombie
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Wasnt it a little weird that they didnt show "the giant chain in the water to trap the attacking ships on the burning water" trick that Tyrion used on the books, i dont think it was that more expensive that a lot of the other things they did show on the battle.. maybe they decided that they would have needed to set it up in previous episodes or that explaining how Stannis and some of his forces still managed to escape it at the end will get in the way of ending the battle with Daddy Lannister arriving to the rescue.

No as they had none of the build up scenes to the chain in the show like in the book, I had a good feeling it was being left out. And not having it and consolidating all of the wildfire into one boat/explosion really simplified the Tyrion's ploy but still accomplished the goal. Having one money shot made it easier and cheaper than sticking with the books events as told. I was also really glad Bronn still got to have his moment, which was beautifully staged and shot of him getting to be the linchpin of said plan.

 
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darthzombie
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What a great episode. Brilliantly done. I had high hopes for it and was not let down at all!

Sorry for the triple post above, I blame my iPad for said issues...

Totally agree absolutely brilliant television. This is probably my favorite episode of Throne Game so far, I watched it 3 times on Sunday. No chain, who cares wildfire goes boom like whoa boom! I really have no complaints, all the important beats of the battle were hit, if not done the same. I got a sence of the scale of the overall battle, even though we never got the wide shot other then the explosion. But the fact that it has been stated that Stannis has 200 ships and there are thousands of soldiers it is okay to let your imagination do some work and I like the more intimate battle scenes sticking with the Hound, Stannis or Tyrion then an overhead shot showcasing the whole thing. You get a better feeling for the chaos of being in the thick of it that way. I also really enjoy they made Stannis into a total bamf! First t the beach first to the wall and first up the leader was like Shoah that is an effing man and a leader. Made me root and like his character more than I have ever in the books. Always found him a boring stiff, seeing him willing to mix it up really raised him up a level.

All the stuff with Cersie was gold and her totally losing her shit and getting more and more drunk throughout the night was so well done. Plus Sansa got to shine calming the ladies with prayer. Oh and we even got us some SanSan action that didn't have quite the same impact as the books but there is more shared history between the two of them through the books.

Not sure they made a big enough deal that Loras was wearing Renly's armor for nonbook readers but it was still there...

 
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