'The Walking Dead' - 'Guts': Escape from Atlanta
Rick makes some new friends but has trouble getting out of town
Glenn (Steven Yeun) and Rick (Andrew Lincoln) try to blend in on "The Walking Dead."
A quick review of the second episode of "The Walking Dead" coming up just as soon as I'm an organ donor...
"There's us, and the dead. We survive this by pulling together, not apart." -Rick
Of the three "Walking Dead" episodes I've seen, "Guts" was the most disappointing. It's not that it's bad, but that it's familiar.
The story actually deviates a fair amount from the comic book (where Glenn is the only survivor Rick meets inside Atlanta, and where several of these characters, notably Merle Dixon, don't exist at all), but the vibe overall - survivors under siege, fighting with each other as much the attacking horde - is one we've seen a million times before in both zombie movies and other siege or post-apocalyptic films, and without necesarily enough of a twist to make it more than a Zombie Cinema's Greatest Hits compilation.
In contrast, while the pilot certainly wasn't wildly original (many others have pointed out the "28 Days Later" comparisons), the grim, contemplative vibe of it still made it feel special. "Guts" was a solidly-executed example of the genre - when you have Frank Darabont again writing the script, and Michelle MacLaren (who proved her suspense bonafides once and for all with this "Breaking Bad" shootout) - but as I've said before, I went into this series as someone lacking in what Darabont has called "the zombie gene," and solid-but-formulaic doesn't really command my interest.
The strongest part of the episode came from a later comic storyline, with Rick and Glenn covering themselves in zombie blood and guts (and, um, hands and feet) in an attempt to walk unmolested through the mob. Graphic and disgusting and riveting, but I also liked Rick's speech to his new comrades about the man whose body they were about to mutilate. As we saw last week, Rick is a relative newcomer to the zombie apocalypse. He hasn't lived in it as long as the others, and while he talks a bit about how things have changed, he can still hang on to his morality and concern for other humans in a way that, say, Shane can't.
Some other thoughts:
• In case you didn't see the news earlier this week, "The Walking Dead" debuted to an audience of 5.3 million viewers (in comparison, the "Mad Men" finale only drew 2.5 million), which means a second season is all but a formality at this point. People love zombies.
• Lots of new faces to get used to here. To me, the ones that stuck out were either actors I already knew well (Michael Rooker as the angry racist Merle), characters who were prominent in the early stages of the comic (Steven Yeun as Glenn) or both (Jeffrey DeMunn as Dale, the guy with the camper, or Darabont veteran Laurie Holden as Andrea).
• As with last week, the Bear McCreary score continues to be effective in part because of how sparsely it's used. A lot of other shows that over-rely on music to establish mood could learn a thing or two from this.
What did everybody else think?
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November 8, 2010 at 12:06AM EST Reply to CommentWrite a comment...
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November 8, 2010 at 12:17AM ESTchuchundra Disagree with reply to comment... Engage in profanity-laced tirade.
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November 8, 2010 at 6:50AM ESTconrad *comment contained spoilers from next week's preview*
November 8, 2010 at 10:24AM ESTjoel Comment comparing this show's first two episodes to Lost and/or Battlestar Galactica. Aside with short defensive comments about finales of either series.
November 8, 2010 at 11:44AM ESTihaditonvinyl Comment about the comic being better than the show.
November 8, 2010 at 12:46PM ESTKarenX Political screed
November 8, 2010 at 1:08PM ESTDaggor Non sequitur
November 8, 2010 at 1:14PM ESTJB First!
November 9, 2010 at 11:10AM ESTAlex Mullane Uncalled for personal attack on Alan because he didn't love the episode as much as he should have.
November 9, 2010 at 11:14AM ESTsepinwall Guys, these are all awesome and make me smile.
November 9, 2010 at 11:16AM ESTBunny Colvin That's what she said
November 11, 2010 at 11:38AM ESTJames Lets get back on the topic.
November 15, 2010 at 3:06AM ESTMarc
November 8, 2010 at 12:09AM EST Reply to CommentHonestly, I'm not a zombie person at all. I like Dramas where two people sit in a room and talk to each other, But this had character/moral stories and really suspenseful action. Thought it was great.
I have to be honest and say that Boardwalk Empire feels like familiar show to me. I actually think Buscemi is wonderful but the show continues to feel like stuff I have seen before and honestly it feels like homework. In fact out of all Sunday night cable fare (The Walking Dead, Luther, Dexter) it's my least favorite and the one that feels like its double its length.
The truth is, there is no new drama that affects me more than Terriers and I really don't see how BW is deserving of a Best Drama Win over that show (and Terriers isn't even guaranteed a nomination, BW is). Honestly Mad Men deserves to win before BW.
Trilby Since I agree with you about Boardwalk Emporers (yeah, I know, I know) I guess I'll have to give Terriers another try.
November 9, 2010 at 12:51PM ESTWoodside That's ridiculous, I find BW leaves me at the edge of my seat, and represents exactly what you claim to be a fan of. clearly it is a slow burn but a brilliant one at that. where the minutia that is 70% of dexter and the cliched bunk that was much of last nights walking dead don't hold a candle to the compelling and complex drama that is Boardwalk.
November 11, 2010 at 10:47PM ESTWilliam
November 8, 2010 at 12:09AM EST Reply to CommentI'm actually really disappointed in the show so far. I've always hated the idea of zombie camouflage, but beyond that the acting seems weak and the dialogue in that one was so bad that I was shocked to find out Frank Darabont wrote it. I thought I was going to love this show, but so far the execution is really not lighting up my dials.
November 8, 2010 at 12:11AM EST Reply to CommentIf this is the worst of the 3, then I can't wait for next week. It was exiting, it was fun, it was disgusting and gory, and I loved it.
Jackie
November 8, 2010 at 12:18AM EST Reply to CommentNot as strong as the first episode but not bad. I've read the comics so I knew the wearing of zombie parts was coming at some point but... haha eeeeewww.
Also, thinking about Dixon's fate makes me cringe, even though for the few minutes we see him uncuffed he is the definition of a horrible human being.
bunson i thought it was really brave of the writers to leave Dixon there on the rooftop
November 8, 2010 at 3:43AM ESTconrad my guess is that he comes back later with a bloody stump for a hand.
November 8, 2010 at 11:07AM ESTjoel Considering the actor's pedigree and the fact that the last guy padlocked the door behind, protecting Dixon from zombie attack, methinks this may not be the last time we see him. If it is, then major hat tip to the show.
November 8, 2010 at 11:46AM EST
November 8, 2010 at 12:20AM EST Reply to CommentAlthough the first episode was similar to 28 Days Later, the first issue of comic wad written before the movie was released in the US. Kirkman was already working on issue two when he saw it and didn't want to go back and change anything.
Brad The people still bringing up the 28 Days Later comparisons really need to get over it. It's not even the originator of the idea.
November 8, 2010 at 12:27AM ESTstevok 2002 for 28 Days Later, 2003 for the walking dead, according to wikipedia (the american release may have been later but so what) , all a bit irrelavant given that The day of the Triffids had a very similar opening back in the 50's
November 9, 2010 at 6:34AM ESTMike
November 8, 2010 at 12:22AM EST Reply to CommentWhile there were weak parts to the story this episode, I'm a sucker for zombies. More of this, please.
November 8, 2010 at 12:23AM EST Reply to CommentAfter the first episode, it's like they're going out of their way to make this show as reductive in its gender politics as possible. Apparently women know nothing about the outdoors, and Andrea, who is a firearms prodigy in the books (and the best marksman in the series) has to be condescended to about where the safety catch is. Ugh.
Other than that, I liked it. They need to come up with new, less hilarious zombie noises tho.
BMK You all need to stop talking about the comics and things that have yet to happen. We are focusing on the show. A lot of people here have not read and will not read the comics.
November 8, 2010 at 12:50AM ESTCrumdawg97 BMK, I fear we're in the minority - at least among those coming to Alan's blog to comment. I have zero comic background on this, just watching and enjoying...and doing my best to immediately stop reading upon encountering any "spoilery" background related to the original comic material.
November 8, 2010 at 1:11AM ESTAlex Isnt this comment considered a spoiler? I mean its a small detail, but it still falls outside of the guidelines Alan laid down last week, doesnt it?
November 8, 2010 at 2:32AM ESTbunson definitely a spoiler. thanks guys
November 8, 2010 at 3:45AM EST
Dammit. Alan, please delete.
November 8, 2010 at 11:40AM ESTsepinwall Yup, just deleted several comments revealing upcoming stories from the comic. Once again, NO SPOILERS, people.
November 8, 2010 at 11:49AM ESTAlison Actually I thought the comics had pretty "reductive gender politics" - or at least, it felt to me that the women written by Kirkman were either shrews (hostile to the men, bringing them down); angels (endlessly supportive of the men) or just crazy/incompetent (problems for the men to deal with). I could be being unfair - it was a very instinctive reaction. I'm interested in part to see how the female characters develop in the show (not plot specific, but more how much of their POV we see).
November 8, 2010 at 10:56PM ESTwykstrad Alison: Andrea. Michonne.
November 8, 2010 at 11:47PM ESTThat is all.
And Isaac, I won't say anything specific to avoid spoilers, but I will point out that Andrea's inexpertise with firearms at this point in the show is consistent with the comic.
velocityknown
November 8, 2010 at 12:34AM EST Reply to CommentConventional, but still undeniably entertaining like most zombie movies. I have high hopes that we needed this episode to get to the more character driven stuff I'm hoping we'll see by episode 3. With everyone back at the camp it shouldn't be hard to grasp that.
Still lots to praise in this episode, the climax with the cars and loading the people up had me on the edge of my seat the entire time (sorry, I'm a sucker for the zombie genre), still kudos to MacClaren who obviously has not missed a step in alternating TV shows (and hasn't let that Emmy snub get her down any).
I am concerned about the Shane-Lori affair, the writers can either play that very well, or very horribly.
Lincoln's acting=good
Lincoln's accent=Well...you get the point. Hopefully he works it out.
By the way, thanks for the sharing the Breaking Bad vid, Alan, that scene still gets the blood pumping and I've watched it numerous times.
July 2011 is a long ways away, but "The Walking Dead" is doing a superb job for now.
Peter
November 8, 2010 at 12:39AM EST Reply to CommentGreat post man! I'm a huge zombie fan and I couldn't agree more with the whole " everyone is fighting among themselves more than surviving" thing. We've seen it a thousand times! Also I think the acting is pretty bad with the whole group at the shopping center. I wanted them all to die. This show has potential though
Brad
November 8, 2010 at 12:39AM EST Reply to CommentFamiliarity and formulaic seems like an odd criticisms. Many shows reviewed on here are very derivative other tv shows(I'm sick of mockumentaries for example) . The zombie genre has been done over and over again, but I can't recall anything like this on a television level. Even this episode.
All that said, I didn't love the episode. It was exciting at times but some of the new characters were blah (T-Dawg?). I think some were added just to be future cannon fodder. I'm not sure I like the changes they're making with the Shane/Lori relationship either. Still pretty entertaining and Glenn will be a favorite.
Dezbot
November 8, 2010 at 12:51AM EST Reply to CommentI enjoyed it, maybe not as much as the premiere, but I'm still invested in the characters.
And I think jodela just violated the "no spoilers" rule (preview version).
sepinwall Yup. I just had to delete a whole string of comments replying to that one that broke the No Spoiler rule. So let me remind y'all again:
November 8, 2010 at 1:10AM ESTNO SPOILERS MEANS NO TALKING ABOUT THINGS FROM THE PREVIEWS, THINGS FROM THE COMICS THAT HAVEN'T HAPPENED YET, THINGS YOU'VE READ OR HEARD ABOUT ELSEWHERE, ETC. JUST THE CONTENT OF EPISODES THAT HAVE ALREADY AIRED.
IA Speaking of spoilers, Alan - I stumbled upon the picture you used for the post before I watched the episode and it ruined the surprise of the pair disguising themselves as zombies.
November 8, 2010 at 4:11AM ESTA very minor complaint, but something to keep in mind when you select screen caps.
dtor Apologies for stating the obvious, but: Readers are supposed come to this blog to read the review *after* watching the episode in question. If you come here before, you're just asking for spoilers. And I don't mean to single IA (or anyone else) out, because I do see this a lot and it is mind boggling to me. In the name of sanity, how is Alan supposed to review an episode without discussing the very content of said episode? Again, discussing the content of the episode he's reviewing is NOT a spoiler. This includes any screen caps because Alan's operating under the 100% logical assumption that if you come here to read his review, then you must have seen the episode. If you don't want a show spoiled for you, be sure not to surf any review sites before watching the show yourself. I mean, this is as common as common sense gets, guys.
November 8, 2010 at 10:35AM ESTI don't like spoilers either, but asking Alan to choose the most ordinary, unremarkable screen caps to accompany his reviews is way too much hand-holding. We've got to take some responsibility as readers for where & when we read.
J
November 8, 2010 at 1:05AM EST Reply to CommentWow, quick with the comment removal around here
rowan729
November 8, 2010 at 1:31AM EST Reply to CommentJust a couple of comments here....for me, the earliest example of the scenario where the hero is the only one in the hospital left and must now join a post-apocalyptic world in in Stephen King's The Stand. Stu Redman(if memory serves) wakes up after being kept in the Vermont Disease Center where he was being sutdied. There's no zombies involved but everyone else is dead from a virus, and he begins to meet survivors. This scenario is pretty standard fare in post-apocalyptic fiction, actually.
Second, I'm interested to see how high the numbers are for tonight's show. They certainly won't be in the range of the pilot-a zombie show premiere on Halloween is gonna score big. If this ep's numbers are in the range of MM or even BB, then AMC's doing pretty well.
Loving the show so far, the amount of suspense is perfect. Keeps me hooked, just like the other AMC shows do, but not disturbing enough to keep me up late(r).
Garble Okay, not to nitpick, but Day of the Triffids did the hero-awakens-in-a-hospital beginning much earlier than The Stand. And, really, you could say Rip Van Winkle was built on a similar premise (I know, that's a stretch, but the point is that it's an effective way to set up this sort of plot, and it wasn't invented by 28 Days Later).
November 8, 2010 at 8:49AM ESTDougMac Stu doesn't really wake up and everyone's dead. He bides his time and escapes after being studied for awhile. It is similar, but not really a rip off
November 8, 2010 at 10:04AM ESTrowan729 I'm sure there are other movies/books and other things that did the whole 'hero leaving the hospital to a new world', usually a bad world, before The Stand. It's just the earliest example for me personally.
November 8, 2010 at 2:20PM ESTI do believe that Stu doesn't get out of the hospital until everyone else is dead-that's the similarity-dead bodies all over the place and whatnot. 28 days, TWD, etc., are all just variations of a basic plot scenario. It's a good way to start the story....
Starting off a story that way allows the writer a lot of freedom with backstory and plot development. I guess the most basic aspect to the use of this scenario is the isolating power of it-the fear gets heightened that way.
KarenX I haven't read the book for I bet twenty years, but I remember the hero of EARTH ABIDES falls ill on a solo camping trip and returns to a plague-culled society. It's from 1949. There's miscegnation in the book, too. Le scandale!
November 8, 2010 at 3:56PM ESTWheresWallace Props to the Day of the Triffids mention!
November 8, 2010 at 9:16PM ESTAchillesHeald
November 8, 2010 at 2:08AM EST Reply to CommentI totally agree that the change of pace from the contemplative, slow realization of the apocalypse to the running and gunning of tonight's episode wasn't that appealing. It was much more satisfying to watch Rick be scared out of his mind than to see him assume control of the band of survivors. His coma and lack of knowledge about how they act doesn't seem to be nearly as much of a problem as I was expecting...it seems too easy for him.
I don't mind that he took control of the group...his skill set seems best suited for it, but his "survival" mode seems to come a little too easy to make it really gripping. For a guy who didn't recognize the direction of the fleeing cars from Atlanta and completely disregarded abandoned tanks as signs of trouble, the learning curve to dealing with zombies doesn't seem to be as steep as it should be. Similarly, I felt that his speech about the soon-to-be-mutilated zombie was pretty similar to his very human moment with the bicycle girl in the pilot...just a rehash of what we already knew about Rick.
I already love this show, and am so delighted to see AMC continue to push the boundaries of good storytelling...I'd just like to see the characters develop into something as realistic as possible in a show about the zombie apocalypse.
Shane Who's to say he didn't recognize the direction of the cars? Maybe he just didn't care because he is hell bent on finding his family. I thought that was the whole point of showing the wide shot.
November 8, 2010 at 2:18AM EST
Shane you are right, that is the point. His family is his only priority.
November 8, 2010 at 5:22PM ESTStacy I agree about it being way to easy for Rick. He's seems to be dealing with the Zombies just as easily as the people who have been living with them for months.
November 8, 2010 at 8:46PM ESTAlso, I wish they would tell us how long it's been. I know it's not important, but I would like to know.
wykstrad Rick does have the advantage of being trained to kill and/or incapacitate people.
November 8, 2010 at 11:51PM ESTRob I was just going to say that the shot they did when he was slowly walking his horse on the inbound part of the thruway, he clearly stops the horse, looks over at the other lane, and then gigs his horse forward. He saw it, but it wasn't going to deter him.
November 10, 2010 at 6:56AM ESTBrendan
November 8, 2010 at 2:10AM EST Reply to CommentDefinitely weaker then the pilot, but still an entertaining, exciting show. My two big complaints is that an actor as great as Rooker is stuck playing a character who's .5 dimensional, and the walking through zombies scene.
Liked the set up, liked the imagery, liked the axe-to-the-face. But I hate the basic idea of walking through a crowd of zombies. Hated it in Shuan of the Dead, and really hated it here.
November 8, 2010 at 2:24AM EST Reply to CommentAm I the only one who thinks that Lori and Shane were having the affair BEFORE the Zombie attack? It was hinted that there were relationship problems in the pilot, and I wouldn't be surprised if that comes up later on, which I think would be a nice twist to the standard, "We thought you were dead, Rick, so we had to move on with our lives!" storyline.
Anyone? (Aside from those who have read the comics and could tell me if I'm right or wrong about this)
ShawnB429 I've not yet read the comics, although I really want to start now...but yea, I get the impression there's a pre-existing relationship between the two as well.
November 8, 2010 at 2:49AM EST
A bunch of the fellas I was watching this with thought so...and it is definitely set up with the first scene in the pilot with Shane being inquisitive about Lori. Beyond what very little I know about the comics...I think it may all be irrelevant...tonight's episode demonstrated Darabont is going to deviate from the comics.
November 8, 2010 at 3:02AM ESTYou definitely aren't alone in your opinion...
Crumdawg97 Let's hope you're right. I find Lori and Shane to be pretty disgusting at the moment. Learning they started up before Rick was shot would alleviate that a bit.
November 8, 2010 at 4:26PM ESTKellyK My husband and I both thought the same thing; that Lori and Shane were hooking up previous to the whole zombie apocalypse thing. However, there was a moment in their scene last night where they both see her wedding ring hanging around her neck and it gives them both pause before she takes it off. It has me wondering if they were hooking up before. It just felt like if they were together before then at this point the wedding ring around her neck wouldn't mean much to either of them. That being said, I've never cheated on my spouse so maybe the shame never really goes away, regardless of whether they're alive and just oblivious to the affair or believed to have been eaten in a zombie attack.
November 9, 2010 at 12:42AM ESTBill I have read on seveal boards about this show that many fans think something was going on between Lori and Shane before Rick was shot and went into a coma. If that was not the impication the writers intended, they didn't do a very good job.
November 9, 2010 at 6:10PM ESTI read an interview with the actress who plays Lori - Sarah Wayne Callies - and she said that Lori's marriage to Rick was in bad shape and that they probably were going to get a divorce before the zombies hit town. She seemed to be defending her character taking up so quickly with Shane. She also admitted that if the zombies weren't running around, Lori would just be a b**** who cheated on her husband. I don't think the zombies change the negative perception many fans have of her character.
And as for Rick, his actions certaintly don't reflect a man who thinks his marriage was about to end. He is very intent on finding his wife and son and will face an army of zombies if he has to if it means he can reunite with his family. Lori on the other hand was very quick to put Rick in the past and move on with Shane, both as a new mate and a father to Carl. What a contrast! It's hard to believe the writers didn't know how bad that would make Lori look.
Some have said if she thinks her husband is dead Lori isn't really cheating. First, I think she was sleeping with Shane well before she thought her husband was dead. And second, she can't be that sure he's dead. But I don't think knowing for sure is really a factor on whether she slep with Shane. It just may help her to feel less guilty if she makes herself believe her husband is dead. Although I haven't seen one shred of remorse from Lori about what she's doing or any real indication that she misses her husband at all, other than wearing Rick's ring on around her neck, which she took off without hesitation so it wouldn't bother Shane while they were having sex in the woods. She's not exactly the grieving widow. And she stills wears her wedding ring, which seems kind of ridiculous and I think degrades her marriage was supposed to symbolize.
As far as I'm concerned, they can feed both Shane and Lori to the zombies in the next epi. Rick can raise his son with Andrea.
ExpectationsNotMet
November 8, 2010 at 3:21AM EST Reply to CommentThis is a show that is low on character, high on "just a bunch of stuff that happens;" honestly, it seemed like it'd be a much better level in "Left 4 Dead" than an episode of scripted television. The main character's speechifying on the roof felt odd and ham-handed. He just woke up a couple days before, right? Now he's the authority on what it takes to survive?
The escape from the tank was ridiculously easy, considering how dire the sitch was last ep, and things continued to feel wobbly from there.
All of this would have been easily forgivable if I was given something to latch onto emotionally or characterwise.
The big issue is that the main character's wife is now sleeping with his best pal because both of them believe he's dead. That's at best awkward and at worst heartbreaking, absolutely. But in a reality where the majority of the planet wants to eat your face, it just doesn't rate on the problem scale. Unless you do the work to make us FEEL something about it.
Brad
November 8, 2010 at 4:02AM EST Reply to CommentI need to get out my business and into the tv critic business to get these early screeners. haha
Then again, it's probably tougher than I imagine to be a critic and sworn to secrecy before an episode debuts.
Dudleys Mom
November 8, 2010 at 5:22AM EST Reply to CommentI was planning on being disappointed after Alan's comments on the pilot episode's review...
...Nope, still liked it. Really hot opening scene. Thought the action stuff was really well done. It was a different vibe, but very enjoyable. It may have felt clichéd to you, but to someone whose zombie experience is pretty much just "28 Days Later", it felt very entertaining. Maybe I should go watch some more zombie movies??
jim
November 8, 2010 at 10:07AM EST Reply to CommentI agree that the beginning of the pilot "wasn't wildly original," but neither was the opening of 28 Days Later. They both steal from Day of the Triffids.
Khoa
November 8, 2010 at 1:07PM ESTAlthough the first episode was similar to 28 Days Later, the first issue of comic wad written before the movie was released in the US. Kirkman was already working on issue two when he saw it and didn't want to go back and change anything.
Michael
November 8, 2010 at 10:12AM EST Reply to CommentI don't understand the dissapointment with this episode. I thought it was as good or better than the pilot. It did cover a lot of the same ground as something like "Dawn of the dead" but I feel like it sort of has to, to a degree. Even so, it still did it better than almost any zombie film i've ever seen. I like the animalistic quality of these zombies, the way they sniff and growl at you. That's new to me and quite effective. Between this and "Boardwalk Empire" Sunday is my favorite night of Television. On that note, I don't think the chopping up of the zombie could have been any more graphic on HBO than it was on AMC. Bravo to them for understanding their audience for this.
November 8, 2010 at 10:52AM EST Reply to CommentI'll agree with the sentiment this was not as good as the pilot. I'm afraid that Frank Darabont doesn't trust his audience very much. The Rooker character was horribly introduced. The VERY FIRST time we meet this character, he's an asshole, a racist and he threatens just about everyone in the group. Why would he have been chosen to go along in the first place?
If the writers wanted to give us a racist character, I feel like it should have been introduced in a subtler way. So the audience can take the journey along with the other characters of "Oh that guys a dick. Wait, no he's an ass hole. Oh he's a racist asshole. Oh shit, this guy is completely dangerous!" Instead, it's just throttled to 11 from the get go.
That said, I thought it was a solid episode. I'm just afraid they're going to shy away from subtlety.
November 8, 2010 at 10:54AM EST
@Pete Kulak: Perhaps I need to associate with a better class of people, but the racist assholes I know aren't exactly subtle people and their douchebag-ness is the gift that keeps on giving no matter how much you'd like to exchange it for store credit.
November 8, 2010 at 5:36PM ESTHaving said that, it would be nice to see Rooker cast against type. Just once. He can do white trash SOB psychos in his sleep, and often does. But he's actually a rather solid character actor who can do a lot more, given the chance.
November 8, 2010 at 11:11AM EST Reply to CommentI found the blood disguise hard to believe. It the blood touches their skin they risk turning Zombie. It seems unlikely that none of the zombie blood would touch skin considering how much they put on. Especially when Rick took off his glove to get the handcuffs key. I know its a tv show, I just like when characters actually do things that would make sense in real life, given a zombie apocalypse had occurred.
My understanding is that it works like a slightly-more-contagious AIDS. If blood gets in your mouth or eyes, I think you're in trouble. Skin should be okay, otherwise every time there was a near-miss where a zombie just touches a human, they'd have to turn zombie.
November 8, 2010 at 11:17AM ESTKujo Not only that, but Rick was chopping the hell of out the corpse, and none of the survivors standing near Rick were wearing any mask other than Rick. LOL
November 8, 2010 at 3:02PM EST
I don't want to fall foul of Alan's spoiler policy, but if the show sticks to the comics on that score "blood touching the skin" isn't how it works.
November 8, 2010 at 7:05PM ESTGuest Well its not like anyone is an expert on whether or not the blood could turn you into a zombie or not. It was just a precaution.
November 9, 2010 at 4:04AM EST
November 8, 2010 at 11:11AM EST Reply to CommentWow, what a mess. This episode did a complete 180 from the originality and tone of the pilot.
First of all, what was the point of the racist on the roof? That guy was the definition of a one-dimensional character, obviously there only to "advance" the plot. I say "advance", because, unless he's coming back in a future episode, that was an absolute waste of time. The black man who was going to have to face the moral dilemma of whether to set him free or not (see: actual drama), instead just dropped the key and was forced to abandon him (see: copout).
Why were Rick and Andrea standing in front of the department store window like a human meat market? They know all they're doing there is agitating the zombies. Big surprise that they grow even more fervent and smash the glass.
The speech about the man-turned-zombie Rick had to hack up was cheesy, plain and simple. Reminds me of, "His name was Robert Paulsen!" The punch line about being an organ donor was wayyyy too on the nose. That doesn't match the subtlety of the Pilot at all.
The cold open - Why? A "gotcha" moment (Oh, it's just a cat!) followed by rough sex next to a picture of her husband. I get it - she's sleeping with the guy. But why would any of them allow a single, unarmed person into the woods?
And the best part: Why the hell did I end up watching a 30-minute commercial for the Dodge Challenger? Glenn's joy ride looked EXACTLY like any sports car commercial you'll ever see on TV - fast, red car blows by thousands of parked grey/white/black cars. Also, that's a pretty lame thing to lift from what I thought was a lesser zombie fiction, I Am Legend.
All in all, HUGE disappointment. I hope the pilot didn't set my expectations too high.
Mark Agree with all of the above, weak eposide compared to the first. The plot had more holes than swiss cheese. Going into the city to raid for supplies, let's go all the way into the city instead of hitting a Wal-Mart on the perimeter. Isn't Atlanta the most spread-out city in the country? And let's send a whole bunch of people instead of a few. Let's pick a bunch of people with no discernable talents, make sure they are racially diverse, and send along the most racist s.o.b. imaginable. Meanwhile the SINGLE police officer (with actaul training) is back in camp boinking his partners wife. I thought the whole locket thing didn't play true at all. They both should have looked at the locket and been too overcome with grief, instead they went ahead and did it in the dirt. Why do they think Rick is even dead? They obviously never went to the hospital to check on him.
November 8, 2010 at 1:12PM EST
Can't really explain reasoning behind Meryl without going into the comic... Let's just say racism was mentioned in the comic by a minor character and Darabont probably just wants to explore that more.
November 8, 2010 at 5:12PM ESTRick and Andrea had to keep an eye out for the zombies. They couldn't just stand inside the sewage room and hope that none broke through. Plus T-Dog was still on the roof.
Shane was probably armed and they had already arranged to meet up in the forest.
SJ I agree that a number of these things came off as cheesy and/or generic/mediocre. It was entertaining but not that great.
November 8, 2010 at 10:46PM ESTBut just so you know all of the things you mentioned do not exist in the comic. Which makes me a little wary of the TV show...
Carrie
November 8, 2010 at 11:21AM EST Reply to CommentDoes there always have to be a racist guy in horror movies like these? Really?
I was quite disappointed with this episode, for all of the reasons Alan stated. Mostly, I was unimpressed by all of the new gang of characters that were completely cliche types rather than interesting people with stories of their own. Perhaps this will get better as we get to know them better, but as an introduction I think it was a failure.
Also, there was some very, very poor acting going on at the survivor's camp outside of town. Especially by the cheating cop partner guy (cannot remember his name).
Woodrow L. Gode, IV
November 8, 2010 at 12:27PM EST Reply to CommentOn behalf of the people who didn't read the comic book, I'd like to say that I couldn't care less whether the show slavishly duplicates every detail of the source material.
Unless you're arguing that the original was flawless-- that nothing in it could have been improved in any respect-- the relevant question is "Do the changes enhance or detract from the original?" Every creative work has flaws that could, in theory, be corrected. (And if you DO think the original is perfect, then go to a fansite and hang with others of your breed.)
Second, there are differences between writing doe publication and for presentation. What worts in one often doesn't work in the other. Changes need to be made to reflect that. (Narration, dialogue style and number of characters being three common ones.)
Third, creating a TV episode-- which needs to be a fixed number of minutes long and function as a standalone work-- usually requires cuts or expansions, and sometimes both.
Fourth, writing advertising-supported TV television-- which requires a climax every fifteen minutes to make sure viewers don't run away at the commercial-- necessitates further adulteration.
Fifth, reading requires one to fill in much of the tapestry with your own imagination. And what you invent might be very different than everyone else. A broadcast requires you to accept another person's implementation.
Sixth, many readers overlook critical elements or ignore things that they don't like. One can't do that as easily with a broadcast.
Since I don't read comic books, I don't know if this show is better or worse than the original. And I have issues with both episodes. The main one is that the pace in everything Frank Darabaont does is always glacially slow (he makes Sergio Leone seem as manic as Tex Avery). You'll never get so swept up that you have no time to speculate on what's coming next (or what he seems to be 'borrowing' from) or every freaking bit of stupidity he's asking you to swallow.
(e.g.: Hero wakes up after weeks in a coma-- I guess; nobody bothers to tell us-- and he's ready for plenty of action-adventure? Hey, no problem.)
And, since all these characters are stick figures-- at least at this point-- we don't have anyone to care about. Our 'hero' has walked into two potentially fatal situations due to his his stupidity. Based on the behavior of the grieving widow (who apparently didn't bother to see how he was doing before she hit the trail) he's no judge of character, either.
Watching this episode immediately before a rerun of the pilot for Breaking Bad was like a comparison test with McDonalds and Five Guys. How many interesting, detailed and unique people-- and how much complex backstory-- does Vince Gilligan roll out in 60 minutes? More than we seem likely to get in a season, of TWD, at this pace.
The only elements that made me think there might be anything even remotely special here were (a) the racist pig character actually uses the word "nigger" and (b) the show isn't going light on the gore.
"It's not like the comic book" is about the least significant complaint one can make.
I'm confused to if you're complaining that the pace is too slow or fast. You said Darabont is too slow but the fact that Rick was ready to go on an adventure bothered you. We don't know how long he stayed with Morgan and Duane. You really couldn't have a pilot with him sitting around a house for a couple of days could you?
November 8, 2010 at 5:20PM ESTWoodrow . Goode, IV Yeah, you can. Filmmakers call the technique a "lap dissolve with narration." One shows a series of scenes (cross-faded, to show elapsed time) with either one character talking ("We lost power on the third day..") or possibly a conversation between two characters ("Where did it start?" "First reports were in the West, but..").
November 9, 2010 at 7:40PM ESTTakes as little as 15 seconds (if you don't want to reveal much) or as long (if we need to show a conversation, as was done in BRIAN'S SONG) as a few minutes. Very economical.
When a filmmaker omits stuff like this, it's a sign that he isn't validating for plausibility or hasn't thought about what the audience might need/want to know.
Nate I think folks are starting to get worked up about the ratings crushing what Mad Men and Breaking Bad receive. As a fan of all three, I say there is enough success to go around. MM and BB are character driven dramas, the latter a little crime drama as well. TWD is character driven horror, arguably it's only category since I do not believe this has been attempted in serialized TV. So stop bringing your own expectations into the show prematurely, let the season ride and then evaluate as a whole. And relax, AMC will continue MM and BB renewals, just not (hopefully!) Rubicon. Peace.
November 9, 2010 at 10:26PM ESTberkowit28
November 8, 2010 at 12:37PM EST Reply to CommentCan someone give me some basic zombie 101 info? What are zombies supposed to be? People refer to them as "dead". Why? They walk around slightly stiffly, so they've got some sort of limitations with their leg muscles? What's that all about? They hang their heads for some reason. They've got gashy lesions, OK, got that. They're not ver good at climbing (those leg problems again), but they're good at raising their arms in the air - no arm problems. They can't speak English any more, but they seem to have no problems with vocal cords, they moan a lot and make scary sounds. They want to attack regular living people - why is that? There seems to be a fear among the living (or am I imagining this?) that the zombies want to eat them. Is that right? Why do they want to eat anything, if they're dead? What exactly do they want with the living?
And, if they're dead already but can move around and generally eke out a lower form of existence, then why does shooting them with a gun several times make them *really* dead where they stop moving? Shouldn't they be impervious to bullets? Some of them seem to be just gory torsos already.
So is it just that the higher brain functions are kaput and everything else goes on? I.e. they're not really dead, just very, very sick - except that they apparently don't really die of their sickness, they just go on and on.
Sorry to be making light if them. I just don't get why these things seem to be so popular and evidently catch everyone's imagination. This seems to be a really well scripted and directed and acted show. I just don't get the zombies part.
Mark Zombies couldn't possibly exist in real life, contrary to what zombie geeks would like to think. You are just supposed to accept that in this universe they exist. I'm okay with that, but the living should still act like actual people. There is no internal consistency in any of the "plot" that I have seen so far.
November 8, 2010 at 1:24PM ESTJonDee Reply to comment...
November 8, 2010 at 1:49PM ESTJonDee I've been thinking about that myself. For a sustained tv series, I figure the writers have to know exactly what the "walkers" can and can't do, otherwise they'll mess up the continuity.
November 8, 2010 at 1:58PM ESTI'm going to run with: there's some kind of virus that hijacks the brain and nervous system. The victim is effectively dead, but the virus can somehow infiltrate and jumpstart the leftover mechanisms of the brain and get the body running again... but not very well. The sluggishness of the Walkers isn't really about physical limitations, but about really poor cognition by the virus-restored brain. This helps explain why the shadows of some personality traits can remain (lots of odd things might be reactivated as a side effect of the somewhat-restored brain).
It does nothing, though, to explain why the Walkers can carry on physically after sustaining damage that should really just make the human body cease to work as a mechanism (by bleeding out, drying up, simply starving...). So I imagine it's really beyond any quasi-logical explanaion, and we'll have to just allow it as a fantastic preqrequisite for the series to exist at all. Guess we'll see.
Dwayne Mendoza I would not assume "the writers know exactly what these zombies can and can't do." I can think of numerous (mostly bad, but not always) movies where that wasn't true.
November 8, 2010 at 3:36PM ESTIt should be the first rule of any monster movie: Tell the audience, in detail, which conventions apply. To name a few, can a cross or garlic repel a vampire? Is a silver bullet the only thing a werewolf can be killed by? How fast can zombies run-- and how smart are they?
People who see these movies usually come with a list of assumptions and expectations. If you don't want your movie to be constrained by some of the rules, fine-- but the audience will feel cheated if you do it at a critical moment and they aren't forewarned.
wykstrad Zombies traditionally go by the Romero Rules, as set out in the original versions of Dawn of the Dead and Night of the Living Dead. They are as follows:
November 9, 2010 at 12:19AM EST1. Zombies are dead. Some external stimulus ("cosmic rays" in Night, unknown in Dawn, a virus in Day) causes the motor functions of the brain to kick back into gear, creating a shambling fascimile of life. Without higher thought processes, zombies are animalistic and aggressive. But their blood doesn't flow and the muscles stay stiff, causing all but the freshest zombies to walk slower than normal (yeah, not very scientific, but what can ya do). Destroying the brain destroys the motor functions, effectively "re-killing" the zombie.
2. Zombie bites cause the victim to gradually sicken and die, followed by re-animating as a zombie. Sometimes this is an effect of the zombie virus, other times it's simply an untreated infection. Which brings us to the one rule everyone seems to forget...
3. It doesn't matter how you die, as long as your brain is intact you come back as a zombie. This is the rule changed or ignored most often in zombie movies; it's confirmed in Night (where at least one character comes back after being stabbed to death and not bitten), but in most zombie movies afterwards, characters were killed by almost nothing but zombies, to the point where the rule became sort of vestigal. But if you see someone get gut shot in a Romero movie, you'll probably see them shuffling after the heroes a bit later.
4. Zombies may use rudimentary tools and interact with objects or machinery in a primitive way. A protagonist may think there is something of their spouse/child/friend left in the zombie, but they are always wrong.
These are just the basic rules in most Romero films, but since the guy invented the movie sub-genre, he's the authority. Most zombie films change a few of these rules, 28 Days Later changed all of them (their "fast zombies" are actually alive people with an incurable disease, they transmit by scratching or swapping fluids, and given enough time, they starve to death). Even Romero breaks them, most notably #4 in Land of the Dead. Kirkman's comic followed them to a T (even rule 3!), but the TV show might change things up a bit. The rules, in my mind, are more trivia than genuinely interesting.
seepferdefahrgaesteradioshow And then there is this definition of a Zombie, also taken from the gospel of George, Chapter Dawn ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oykvs8ePij8
November 9, 2010 at 5:29AM ESTJoseph
November 8, 2010 at 1:05PM EST Reply to CommentI enjoyed the episode, but agree the acting felt a little off, especially during the first half. Some of the line readings, from the actor who plays Glenn specifically, were awkward.
Also, did anyone else find it strange we never got the payoff to the shot of Frank putting the grenade in his pocket? I was waiting all episode for him to use it, then realized about an hour afterwards that never paid off. Wonder if there was a deleted scene - kind of odd to specifically show him stick a grenade in his pocket during the first scene then never call back to it.
Dudleys Mom Chekov's gun. Yup. I'm with you on this point.
November 8, 2010 at 1:18PM ESTvelocityknown I think it'll come back in a big way in a later episode.
November 8, 2010 at 1:27PM ESTChekov's gun rule cannot be denied. Also, the focus on the bag of tools falling as T Dawg (wow, it hurts just to write that) knocked them over. Something tells me Dixon gets himself freed before any zombies or people get to him.
berkowit28 It's a serial - it doesn't have to be used in the same episode. Sometime in the next or a later episode, when he's stuck in a corner with a dozen raving loony zombies closing in on him and he runs of out bullets or loses his gun, he'll remember the grenade and - hey, presto! - it will save the day.
November 8, 2010 at 1:28PM EST
November 8, 2010 at 1:47PM EST Reply to CommentSeeing as how I don't see my post anywhere anymore, I take it that I might have started the spoiler rant that got deleted. I guess I'm glad I didn't return immediately to see any responses or I would have gotten spoiled.
In the future, I guess with this show I"ll have to refrain from making any guesses, as it has already proven to have a spoiler happen.
Pity, talking about this show won't be nearly as fun as talking about Breaking Bad (understatement of the day), Mad Men (understatement of the week) or Lost (understatement of the year)
rowan729 Um, you cannot talk about spoilers or any knowledge of future events in Alan's comment threads for any those shows you mentioned, either. That's what's so nice about them.....
November 8, 2010 at 2:36PM ESTPlease do not make that poor guy get on here AGAIN and explain the rules.
You can make guesses and predictions based on what has already aired, but cannot discuss the previews or the source material or reveal anything you know about the upcoming plot or characters, etc.
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