'The Shield' finale, 3 years later
What would the surviving members of the Barn be up to today?
Shane (Walton Goggins) and Vic (Michael Chiklis) back in the (relatively) good ol' days of "The Shield."
I did my best to avoid working over the long Thanksgiving weekend, but I couldn't step away from the Internets altogether (smartphones are the methadone of my web addiction), and saw this tweet on Friday pointing out that it was the third anniversary of "The Shield" finale - and, therefore, the end date for one of the storylines set up in that finale. Some thoughts on that coming up just as soon as I dial 912...
So, as you may recall, "The Shield" ended not with Vic Mackey dead, or in prison, but stuck with a more diabolical - if on some level short-term - fate. He got immunity for all his crimes, but his wife and kids disappeared into witness protection, Shane murdered himself and his family, Ronnie went to prison for life, and Vic got stuck with a different kind of prison sentence when Olivia from ICE made it clear that she expected him to fulfill every day of his three-year contract, and to spend those three years figuratively shackled to a desk, doing nothing but mind-numbing paperwork. In many ways, it was much better than Vic deserved, but it still separated him from everyone and everything he ever cared about.
Still, when I interviewed Shawn Ryan after the finale, he compared Vic to a shark and noted that, "I think as long as a shark's alive it can find some place to swim to." The incredible final scene of the series (embedded below, along with the greatest hits montage that played over the closing credits) showed Vic stewing about his fate, but at the end he grinned slightly, pocketed his (enormous) off-duty gun and headed out into the night, with some new kind of plan in his head. It's entirely possible that he spent the last three years getting shut out of attempts to find his family, to get more actively involved in crime prevention, to improve his ruined reputation. But it's also possible that he slowly but surely wriggled out of the net Olivia put him in, and/or that he's been laying the groundwork for exactly what he'd do the second the ICE contract lapsed.
At the time, Shawn said he thought a bit about what the characters might be up to at the end of those three years - Ronnie, for instance, would have linked up with the white supremacists for protection in prison - and that he might be open to the idea of a movie down the road if there were interest and he had time in his schedule. A lot's happened for him and for the actors on the show in the last three years, and I don't know if he'd still want to do it - or if any studio would be willing to finance a movie sequel to the show. (I asked Shawn if he had changed his mind any, but have yet to hear back; if he responds, I'll update this post.)
"The Shield" finale is, to my mind, one of the best ever for any TV drama, and maybe the best, period. I don't especially need to see the continuing adventures of Vic Mackey, but the finale did raise some interesting possibilities and leave some wiggle room for a longer epilogue if everyone found the time, money and interest to do it.
What does everybody else think? Was the ending to the show too good to need more story? What do you think Vic has been doing for the last three years? Is Claudette still with us? What has the Aceveda mayoral administration been like for Los Angeles?
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Next 76 CommentsRobert
November 28, 2011 at 11:15AM EST Reply to CommentAgreed. I remember this finale around the same time as Battlestar Galactica and Lost, and was definitely better than those two epics, even if they had stronger moments.
svetlana I think I'm probably the only person I know who absolutely hated the finale. Vic turning on Ronnie like that went against everything we were supposed to believe about him over 7 seasons. Why couldn't he just let Ronnie run? Vic spent 7 seasons thinking of ways to get him and his guys out of trouble but we're supposed go believe that he would turn on Ronnie like that? I've rewatched the series about 5 times now but a few of those times I've skipped the 7th season completely.
November 28, 2011 at 9:01PM ESTRinTinTim Mackey only protected his guys as a way of protecting himself. That's why my favorite scene is Vic's confession where you finally see the mask come off and reveal the monster underneath.
November 29, 2011 at 12:09AM ESTShaan I completely agree with Svetlana. The basic premise of the twists and turns of Shield over 7 seasons was not that Vic got out of trouble. It was that Vic got out of trouble without hurting his family or his team. Had the show been about Vic's survival, he could have ditched others even before the 7th season finale. It was absolutely absurd. Though I have a doubt. Dutch, while arresting Ronnie says, "For the last 3 years. For the Armenian money train robbery. Covering up Terry Crowley's murder." He does not mention Ronnie's murder. So, did Vic leave out that part in his confession. Can we believe that Ronnie was only tried for robbery and covering up Terry's murder? I am sure these crimes would never lead to a sentence of anything close to a life term, leave alone death penalty.
July 24, 2012 at 10:17AM ESTSeth Baker Who would you pick - your wife or your co-worker? Seems an easy choice, even if she was a pain in the ass like Corrine turned out to be. I only say that because she could never, ever seem to put herself in his shoes. Had she done so, she would have found it much easier to forgive him, possibly even thank him for all the effort. The fact that everything got so out of hand is not his fault, although it seems every single goddamn viewer in the world believes it to be true. I feel like I'm the only person out here (besides the writers) that views Vic as a victim, which is extremely annoying. Is EVERYONE in America so totally brainwashed that they are unable to see through "evil" to realize that they are simply looking in the mirror? I'd like to give Vic some Goddamn credit, once and for all. The guy was an extremely overworked and underpaid crime-fighting genius. He was not "evil" or "bad" as everyone depicts him; he was, and hopefully still is, one of the most gifted suppressors of inner-city violence that has ever been depicted on the small - or large - screen. The fact that he shot Terry Crowley matters little compared to all the innocent lives he saved while on the job. Would you rather have 100 dead black people or 1 live Terry Crowley? Because that's what happened - Terry died so they could live. DEAL WITH IT. And please, Michael Chiklis, get a new agent. Ask Walton Goggins - he seems to know how to get roles that don't completely demean him, unlike you. ("Vegas" SUCKS!!!!!)
September 26, 2012 at 5:33AM ESTGung Ho
November 28, 2011 at 11:21AM EST Reply to CommentThere's no way Ronnie went to prison for life. The uncorroborated testimony of a co-conspirator isn't sufficient to convict someone of a crime, and that's the only evidence that existed against him for virtually every crime.
sixthman20 The problem is, Vic probably gave sufficient details to lead to physical evidence, (i.e., where the bodies are buried, so to speak). So while, your point hat if it was ONLY testimony, it would be tough to secure a life sentence, if there was physical evidence discovered as well, it's pretty much a certainty he's doing life.
November 28, 2011 at 1:01PM ESTRick I agree with Gung Ho, the Strike Team was extremely proficient at covering up their crimes and leaving no evidence of their even having been at crime scenes. No matter how many bodies Vic's testimony points to, there's nothing linking Ronnie to any Strike Team crime except the word of Vic, which would not be enough to convict. We know Ronnie only has one kill shot, which Vic wasn't even present for, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't with his own gun. Zombie Johnny Cochran could get Ronnie off.
November 30, 2011 at 3:16PM ESTRick I agree with Gung Ho, the Strike Team was extremely proficient at covering up their crimes and leaving no evidence of their even having been at crime scenes. No matter how many bodies Vic's testimony points to, there's nothing linking Ronnie to any Strike Team crime except the word of Vic, which would not be enough to convict. We know Ronnie only has one kill shot, which Vic wasn't even present for, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't with his own gun. Zombie Johnny Cochran could get Ronnie off.
November 30, 2011 at 3:16PM ESTtag8833
November 28, 2011 at 11:21AM EST Reply to CommentVic Mackey Freedom Day! I had long hoped that there would be a follup movie for the series set on Vic Mackey Freedom Day. Looks like I will have to wait a while at least.
I think that The Shield did indeed have the best finale of any TV show ever. And, I find that this serves it well in later contemplation. I'd alot rather rewatch The Shield than Rome or The Sopranos or even the Wire or Deadwood, despite my ability to understand that Deadwood is a better show than The Shield.
There is alot of modern TV shows that are often described as a decendant of The Shield, but for me, Son's of Anarchy is probably the closest anyone has or will ever come. But despite being of comparible quality, if Son's of Anarchy deosn't deliver on a finale of comparible quality to the Shield, I think it could easily fall away, and land in the 2nd tear of TV.
Best Shield moment: Vic locks two rival gangsters in a shipping crate overnight for them to "work out their differences" In the morning, he comes to let them out, and one walks out having killed the other. The expression of horror on Vic's face is priceless.
RamiusTrailDog
November 28, 2011 at 11:26AM EST Reply to Commenti have some friends who suggest that Vic may stop by SOA, but i doubt it due to so many shield actors donning new roles.
i remember being riveted by the entire finale, and so tense during that final scene. i think any continuation - webisodes, a movie, etc - would risk damaging those final moments we had with vic and company.
Blake
November 28, 2011 at 11:27AM EST Reply to CommentI loved The Shield and loved the ending, and because of the unavailability of the characters there's no way an epilogue could be epic. Lem and Shane are dead; Claudette should be dead or off duty.
A sequel would be best done low-key: What's Julian up to? How's Dutch doing? But I fear that it would just be a disappointment. That said, I'd watch it.
Eldritch
November 28, 2011 at 1:59PM ESTA follow up would be as painful to watch as the "Dead Like Me" follow up movie.
The "Shield's" finale was the the most satisfying finale I can recall. Anything more would just be anticlimactic.
Buzz
November 28, 2011 at 11:30AM EST Reply to CommentI would love for FX to produce a 90 minute epilogue episode. It would be a slice of the characters lives right now, there doesn't have to be any particular story or arc, just little vignettes like Dutch working a case, Vic's last day at ICE, Mayor Aceveda dealing with the downtown LA NFL stadium, etc.
Seth Baker BUZZ, you hit the nail on the head. Having any kind of plot that tied everyone together would be unrealistic and therefore against everything the show stood for. And BTW, none of these other shows I have heard mentioned here could ever, EVER, hold a candle to The Barn/Shield. If anyone persists to challenge it, know that everyone in Hollywood threw themselves at the feet of the crew every September at the Emmys. It was like Breaking Bad times 10. Seriously, they all knew it for what it was: the show that changed television forever. Look it up, see what the industry says. They know better than you do, you vanilla tools!
September 26, 2012 at 5:45AM ESTJake
November 28, 2011 at 11:53AM EST Reply to CommentI always saw the lid being blown off the scandal at some point by the press (a la the Rampart scandal that inspired The Shield). They can't convict Mackey but due to bad press, ICE sends him home and gives him paychecks to stay away. I definitely see Vic having a similar fate that befell Carl Weathers' character. The ensuing scandal ends Aceveda's political career ignominiously. I just don't see all the Strike Team did being kept under the rug for three years from the public.
Extraneous_Ed
November 28, 2011 at 11:55AM EST Reply to CommentI can't help wistfully imagining a season 3 of Terriers, where a bald former cop trying to stay off the radar hires Hank & Britt to try and track down his family.
seenonflickr Oh, yes!!
November 28, 2011 at 3:07PM EST
I hadn't though about Terriers for weeks. Now I'm sad because that would be awesome.
November 28, 2011 at 9:33PM ESTJoe I'll just take a season 2 of Terriers
November 29, 2011 at 7:02PM ESTjaredk Heck, I'll settle for the one actual season being made available on DVD, or Netflix.
November 30, 2011 at 11:05AM ESTAndre T Wish granted!
December 12, 2011 at 5:34PM ESTRealitychick Oh YES!! Wouldn't that be great? I am STILL mourning both shows. And I really, really miss Vic Mackey.
January 11, 2012 at 2:41PM ESTShield
November 28, 2011 at 11:55AM EST Reply to CommentOne of the best shows with amazing characters, especially the complex Vic. AND... a finale that rivals ANY other show finale. I was glued to my TV while it aired.
Shield
November 28, 2011 at 11:56AM EST Reply to CommentWrite a comment...One of the best shows with amazing characters, especially the complex Vic. AND... a finale that rivals ANY other show finale. I was glued to my TV while it aired.
Build A Better Fan
November 28, 2011 at 11:57AM EST Reply to CommentIt's far better to leave it to the imagination. They could not improve on the finale by defining what came next.
Soam
November 28, 2011 at 12:17PM EST Reply to Commentthe finale was as close to perfect as it gets. I feel like they went out on top and while I miss The Shield and it's characters, I feel like they gave us a complete story and I'm happy to leave things as they are.
michael
November 28, 2011 at 12:36PM EST Reply to CommentThe End. The finale of one of the finest bits of television writing and acting ever. I know its sad, but that really was the end; the devil is always out there.
JREinATL
November 28, 2011 at 12:49PM EST Reply to CommentI liked the idea of the finale, but wasn't wild about the plot machinations to get there. First, there was the matter of Vic's confession/immunity deal. As much as I hate to be all lawyer-y, his deal with the feds would NOT have granted him immunity from STATE prosecution. I wouldn't care so much, but he kept bringing up again and again throughout the last season that he needed immunity from "the Feds"; I really thought that he was being set up to have the rug yanked out from under him when he found out that the feds couldn't absolve him of all his state crimes.
Second, and related, Vic's confession could not be used against Ronnie under basic hearsay rules. (Although it's not improbable that Dutch, once he was clued in, could have used it to find actual evidence against him.)
Again, I'm not trying to be a spoil-sport, but I just thought that the show had more in it. The Shield never tried to be realistic with respect to its characters being nearly superheroes, but the world around them always was realistic, and I felt that these plot points violated that. (Also, it was really dumb of Shane not to get the hell out of California ASAF'nP.)
Ben Kabak
November 28, 2011 at 12:57PM EST Reply to CommentWe def need a follow up movie. Too much there with Vic and Ronnie and the Barn.
GarySF
November 28, 2011 at 1:18PM EST Reply to CommentClaudette is retired, possibly in hospice care, and Wagenbach has ascended to the Lt. of the Barn. Ronnie remains in prison in a volatile alliance with the white supremacists, knowing that any misstep will get him shanked. Vic has yet to find his family, and is attempting to reinvent himself as a private detective both to make a living and to find his kids. Olivia, well, she survived a zombie apocalypse, but lost her younger sister soon after.
Seriously, though, I agree that this is the best series finale I've ever seen. It dispelled the common notion that your anti-hero needs to a) die, or b) go to prison. From a storytelling standpoint, there are fates worse than either, and I think Mackey got what he truly deserved -- the loss of everything he cherished, if not his freedom, and the pain of seeing the photos of Shane's dead family, not to mention the pain of Lem's death and the demise of his strike team. This final season encouraged me that there are still excellent television writers who aren't looking to go down the path of least resistance, and who are willing to genuinely surprise viewers.
LOL @ your "Walking Dead" reference.
November 28, 2011 at 3:16PM ESTdarkman
November 28, 2011 at 1:46PM EST Reply to CommentI loved the Shield, but don't really need to see any more. The finale was pretty perfect, and what "mature" show out there had as good a final season as the Shield did?
SazzyMCH
November 28, 2011 at 2:02PM EST Reply to CommentJust an amazing end to an amazing series. I'd love to think that somehow Ronnie hasn't died in prison and that Vic has cultivated a master plan for when the ICE deal is up.
Bobman
November 28, 2011 at 2:23PM EST Reply to CommentAmazing finale, though I still have to give the crown for "best finale" to "Six Feet under." That finale still sticks with me years later.
Bob F You took the words right out of my mouth.
December 5, 2011 at 6:56PM ESTJonathan
November 28, 2011 at 2:48PM EST Reply to Comment@Sepinwall: Your blog and the tweet that started it has a MAJOR logic flaw in it. While The Shield's finale was 3 years ago today, that does NOT mean that Vic Mackey's contract with ICE would have ended today. The TV show did not follow time (months, years) in real time. The show aired 7 seasons, spanning from September 2002 through November 2008, yet, in The Shield time, create Vince Gilligan said the timeline spanned around 2.5-3 years.
So, since Vic Mackey was sentenced to 3 years stuck at a desk in ICE's offices, following the same approximate ratio of 7 years (reality): 3 years (Shield time), Vic Mackey's time at ICE won't be up for another 4 years!!
Bill Vince Gilligan created Breaking Bad, not the Shield. that would be Shawn Ryan. Your comments are way overthought. I think we all assume that when the show ended that time resumed its normal passing. 3 years is 3 years.
November 28, 2011 at 3:10PM ESTp. I agree with Bill here. That the logic of time obeyed in the show will be different than that of real life is obvious, but it's not an absolute rule either, certainly not one that has to hold once the original storylines come to an end. In addition, I think you also have to remember in situations like these that the actors are aging in real-time, not the temporality of the show's seasons. If you were to wait another four years to do a follow-up you might have to explain why the characters look seven years older instead of three, which might be an even bigger obstruction to logic.
November 28, 2011 at 4:00PM ESTJREinATL I agree with Bill, but to that end, the Vic Mackey story began in 2002 and ended around 2005. That means that Vic's ICE "sentence" ended in 2008, or about the same time the show ended.
November 28, 2011 at 4:31PM ESTHaynie
November 28, 2011 at 2:59PM EST Reply to CommentYesterday I was talking about the tragic loss of "Terriers" and today you've got me looking back on one of my dearest loves in "The Shield." We need some freakin' "Mad Men" or "Game of Thrones" back immediately. Something to ease the pain...
I've always interpreted our final glimpse of Vic as him going out to execute some street justice as a full-tilt vigilante. Vic had always tried to cope with his guilt by being "the good guy" when it didn't conflict with his other schemes. Now that he's lost everything and is basically alone with his guilt, it only makes sense he would dive even further into that escapism/self-absolution.
I'd love to see a continuation of the story. You could have Los Angeles Mayor David Aceveda reaching out to Vic as he needs help dealing with the much larger area he now oversees. Dutch-Boy could catch on to the new wave of vigilante behavior and be chasing Vic down with his new partner, Detective Danny Sofer.
Other developments...
- Julien Lowe is cast as the token overwhelmed, self-righteous guy in "Real World: Farmington."
- Claudette has a miraculous recovery from lupus and becomes the head of a correctional facility for young girls. She goes on to mentor the daughter of a framed corporate executive on how to exact REVENGE against the people who ruined her life.
- Corrine Mackey marries a TV writer and becomes a little-known actress thanks to being cast in one his shows. Fans of the show spend several years flooding message boards with complaints about her lack of talent.
- Steve Billings is tragically killed when he yells at Antwon Mitchell for shaking one of his vending machines.
- Tina Hanlon now stars in "Blue Balls," the Cinemax spoof "Blue Bloods."
Bill Don't forget Detective Kevin Hiatt who left the Strike Team to move to Hawaii and start his own task force.
November 28, 2011 at 3:42PM ESTTimm S Funny. Good work.
November 28, 2011 at 3:43PM ESTDan3320 Haha - great comment. The only thing you need to change: Billings isn't killed. He leaves life as a cop behind in order to do contract-for-hire work with the CIA - installing hidden video camera's into possible terrorists' homes.
November 28, 2011 at 4:00PM EST
Bill... good call on Hiatt. I also forgot about former captain Monica Rawling's later career as a power-mad attorney. Or how about that hot police dog handler who ended up marrying and divorcing Raylan Givens?
November 28, 2011 at 4:16PM ESTJanieJones Amusing, I like your comments.
November 28, 2011 at 8:26PM ESTThe Shield finale is definitely in my top 5 of all television that I watched from start to finish.
JeninChicago Billings is great right now on Homeland....
November 28, 2011 at 9:11PM ESTTimm S
November 28, 2011 at 3:50PM EST Reply to CommentAs much as I loved this show and would love to see more, it ended as perfectly as a show has any right to. I always took his closing smile as his acknowledgment that he'd gotten his comeuppance. Vic always did respect a worthy adversary, and ICE, as much as he was able to manipulate them to get his deal, got him. Getting his gun at the end of the day--the one he was supposed to be using to get bad guys--was (to me) a symbol of the end of his usefulness as a police officer.
Yeah, I'd watch these guys do whatever, but it ended the right way...with Mara dead. Sorry. Really, though, with Shane AND Lem gone, it's over.
p.
November 28, 2011 at 4:05PM EST Reply to CommentSlight machinations aside, I always think of The Shield as one of the best-executed and most satisfying series finales of any show I've ever watched, especially considering just how difficult good endings are to pull off. I actually remember throwing my remote on the floor at one point, the tension of it was so great.
ron mexico
November 28, 2011 at 4:14PM EST Reply to CommentAlan: Thanks for taking a moment on this one, as The Shield was the show that put FX on the map for me and was absolutely gripping every moment of its original run for me.
As far as the finale, wouldn't Vic be shunned by the law enforcement community (federal or state)? Is there any possible scenario, even in the farfetched Shield universe, where word of his betrayal of Ronnie on the Strike Team, as well as his Original Sin (murder of Terry Crowley) isn't spread out to everyone in regional law enforcement? Wouldn't that make him a shunned outcast?
I have to think that Vic would go into private security of some kind as a result. Who would want to work with Vic knowing he was responsible for throwing everyone he touched underneath the proverbial bus?
As much as I love the Shield universe, I can't imagine a special post-series episode or movie would do a better job ending the story Ryan had to tell about Mackey than the series ending he presented. But then again, Ryan and his team had a way of writing the Strike Team out of situations that were seemingly impossible.
I loved so many of the actors, especially Karnes, Pounder and Dent - and look forward to seeing them do turns on SOA if they haven't done so already just to see how they inhabit completely different characters. Karnes was definitely no Wagenbach when he was on SOA, for example. Kenny Johnson was horribly underused on SOA.
tigger500
November 28, 2011 at 5:10PM EST Reply to CommentI loved the finale too, but I still feel the show sort of went off the rails after the 5th season. I just didn't enjoy the storylines at all post-Lem.
Anonymaeus I think that has more to do with how hurt you still are over Lem, rather than the show actually going off the rails after the 5th season.
November 28, 2011 at 9:14PM ESTIt's what I believed too until I rewatched the series. The Shield in my opinion is one of the few shows that had a pretty solid level of consistency throughout the seasons.
Mark
November 28, 2011 at 7:31PM EST Reply to CommentThe last 6 episodes of the show are some of the best suspense I've ever experienced.
So many great moments:
- Shane's final wistful look at the Strike Team room on his way out the Barn for the final time.
- Vic convincing Ronnie not to run to Mexico.
- Vic & Ronnie deciding to kill pregnant Mara, "Jackson's not a witness."
- "Do you have any idea what you've done to me?" "I've done worse."
- Claudette to Dutch: "You're fired, you sanctimonious SOB!"
- Vic & Shane's final phone call: "I'll send you a postcard from Space Mountain."
- many, many others...God I loved this show. Best finale ever.
RinTinTim "One time, doing time, for a long long time"
November 29, 2011 at 2:40AM ESTJP
November 28, 2011 at 7:35PM EST Reply to CommentThe only follow up I want to see is Ronnie putting two in Vic's head.
svetlana This is a perfect comment! I couldn't agree with you more!
November 29, 2011 at 9:45AM ESTjames
November 28, 2011 at 9:26PM EST Reply to Commenti didn't watch the shield when it first aired - i was skeptical of a show airing on f/x (at that point they had only aired son of the beach i think) and by the time the hosannas etc had built up the show was well enough into it's run that i filed it away as something i'd catch up to eventually. this past summer, largely due to my love for justified, i decided to give it a shot. i watched the entire series in a little under a month. i wouldn't put it in that the wire-deadwood-breaking bad-the sopranos-mad men tier but it's right below there, somewhere w/ homicide (which the shield pretty heavily apes at first) and hill st. blues. that said of all these (the ones that have finished at least) the shield had the best finale and run up to it by far imo. i'm not sure if i'd recommend someone watch this many episodes of one show in this compact a period but i did find that many problems i know some (including alan) had w/ the show really didn't seem an issue when watching this show as one piece instead of spread out over several years. as somewhat curious as to what dutch would be up to or vic would be like as a p.i. i'm not sure a followup would add much.
Vishiss I haven't seen deadwood or mad men, or all of sopranos, but I know, personally, I wouldn't put breaking bad on the same tier as the wire or those shows (and i really enjoyed BB). I'd actually put the Shield ahead of BB but below the Wire, just because I feel like BB got too repetitive and u can skip ahead and not miss a thing really.
November 30, 2011 at 5:00PM ESTGiles
November 28, 2011 at 9:51PM EST Reply to Comment"The Shield" is one of the best television series of all time. I thought I was going to say I'd love to see a movie. But after rewatching the ending, I remembered why we should just leave it be. The series ended pitch-perfectly, which we can't say for show many shows. Mackey got the ultimate punishment for Mackey: a desk jockey, his friends and family gone. As much as we all loved Vic, you have to admit: it was justice. Let sleeping Lems lie.
Albert I agree completely with GILES. For me, the shield is on par with the wire and the sopranos as the defining shows of the 00's, the trailblazers for mad men and breaking bad.
November 28, 2011 at 10:56PM ESTgaryc
November 29, 2011 at 1:00AM EST Reply to Commentno movie please. finale was almost perfect.
yes to someone, nearly anyone, bringing back Terriers however.
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