Season premiere review: 'The Office' - 'The List': Winners and losers
James Spader takes over, and the Scranton branch gets a new manager
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"The Office" is back, with James Spader as the new CEO and a new branch manager, and I have a review of the season premiere coming up just as soon as I agree with your analysis of Elmo...
I was very happy when "The Office" producers chose Spader as the new boss, as he made by far the strongest, funniest impression in last season's finale. But it was unclear whether the sheer insanity that made his job interview so funny would be sustainable as an ongoing character. If "The List" is any indication, Paul Lieberstein and company have decided to tone him down a bit from the charismatic lunatic he was in "Job Search," and while that may be a wise decision for however many years the show has left(*), it definitely made Robert California a much less funny character.
(*) And I'll head off the usual "NBC should just cancel this show without Carell" rhetoric by once again reminding you that it's the only NBC comedy that is a genuine, standalone hit, and a network that is buried deep in fourth place cannot afford to cancel hits. Period. I'd wager the show's got, at minimum, one more season after this one, and we'll see about the rest depending on how the numbers hold up.
And I think even the eccentric, inscrutable but not ridiculous version of California can work as an engine for comedy in seeing how people react to him, but it didn't work out incredibly well here. Where "The List" was funny was mostly on the edges(**) - the montage of Dwight dealing with the planking menace, Pam crying at the dog video - while the story of Robert's list wasn't particularly amusing.
(**) Though not all those marginal gags worked. Stanley Hudson would never, ever, be interested in coming up with his own catchphrase and/or running gag. He wants to clock in and clock out with a minimum of hassle and interaction with his co-workers, and the show has managed to make that funny for a very long time. He is not the "and shove it up your butt!" guy.
Part of the problem may be the choice of Andy as the new branch manager. I like Ed Helms, and I understand that "The Hangover" movies have made him the biggest star in the returning cast, but the Nard Dog has always had a little too much Michael Scott in him with his pathological need to be liked, even if that manifests itself in different ways. I really liked the way John Krasinski played off of Spader in the finale and would have liked to see Jim be the one who has to directly deal with the strange new boss (even this milder version of him), and I think that could have felt fresh.
But this story fell a little flat, at least up until Andy went in to confront Robert and stand up for the losers. It wasn't a funny scene, but it was sweet and felt genuine, in the way that made the show's early days feel special even if Michael was acting way too over-the-top that week. Similarly, Pam's reaction to Jim's own version of the list was a really nice moment for those two.
That "The Office" can still hit the emotional beats right is a reassuring sign. But this was a modest beginning overall to the Robert California era.
What did everybody else think?
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Next 160 CommentsIan
September 23, 2011 at 9:47AM EST Reply to CommentKevin's robotic "WARNING, WARNING" had me rolling.
How about his mention that everyone who had pegged him as a loser ("my doctors") was wrong?
September 23, 2011 at 10:07AM ESTA-Do Agreed. The warning thing was great. Also, I liked the fact that Meredith was planking beneath the mens' urinals. Perfect place for her character. And when Dwight attacked and bonked Meredith and Kelly's heads together, I thought that was hilarious. I actually thought it was a pretty strong episode, and feel like there's more room to grow Andy's character as manager than there would have been with Dwight or Jim. Good TV, I thought.
September 23, 2011 at 1:22PM ESThhhk20 The show could not have been more disappointing. It is a shadow of it's former self. All good things must come to an end. Unfortunately, since there is more money to be made, the producers have decided not to do the right thing and go out gracefully. They've opted to eek out another
September 25, 2011 at 7:59PM ESTseason of woefully bad/unfunny writing. Some fans will continue to watch, no matter how terrible it is, because they love the show. It's like keeping a beloved relative on life support, even though pulling the plug would be the better choice. Let's hope this is the last season, as these episodes add nothing to the legacy of this once great show.
Durodude It seems to me, hhhk20, that you had already decided this show was dead long before you saw the latest episode. Your negativity regarding the show is so palpable that I imagine it would be near impossible for you to find any redeeming qualities in the new episodes if you are going into them with that pessimistic attitude.
September 25, 2011 at 8:56PM ESTIt's kind of like what Yoda said in Empire Strikes Back when Luke was preparing to go into that dark side cave. When Luke asks Yoda what he'll find in the cave, the little green dude sagely replies, "ONLY WHAT YOU TAKE WITH YOU." I think there's a lot of wisdom in that. If you go into a situation expecting it to be negative, you can be most assured that negativity is exactly what you'll find. BUT if you choose against all temptations to be positive, you will just possibly discover something pretty satisfying.
There have been more positive reviews of this new episode than negative ones. THAT alone is quite promising considering the challenges this new season faced in moving on without Michael Scott. I truly believe they're doing the best job they can with what they have to work with (which is a LOT of talent). I really hope this season's future episodes proved your initial assumption wrong. Personally, I think this great show still has some fight left in it! ;)
Kmarko
September 23, 2011 at 9:49AM EST Reply to CommentAgree, pretty much, although I think I found Spader a bit funnier than you--his conversation w/Erin felt like his scenes in the finale.
I was thinking last year that (apart from the business motivation) it would have been better for the show to end, but I found myself happy just to see everyone in the office for another 22 minutes. So I'm glad it's back.
Roy Yeah, not great but certainly an enjoyable premiere.
September 23, 2011 at 2:06PM ESTOf course, after enduring the nightmare "comedy" premieres that were 2 and 1/2 Men, New Girl, 2 Broke Girls, Big Bang Theory, HIMYM (it's so dull now) and the abysmal Whitney, they could have completely phoned it in and it would have been preferable to any of those.
blingbling
September 23, 2011 at 9:52AM EST Reply to CommentI really do hope they're setting up an Andy flameout that will put Jim in charge, though there are plenty of problems with that, Jim supervising his wife, for one. But who knows, maybe I'm missing the comic potential of that. Another good reason to eventually make Jim the boss -- it would make perfect sense that just as soon as they name an actual boss with a clue that the company (and the show) would die.
Blaze Domingo f Dwight's flameout didn't put Jim in charge, nothing will. That ship has sailed. I thought this was a pretty good episode, although my expectations are lower than they used to be.
September 23, 2011 at 10:42AM ESTCol Bat Guano I hoping that Jim has to be the power behind the throne when Andy screws up.
September 24, 2011 at 7:28PM ESTDurodude LOL That's a very good point there, Col Bat! In some ways, I think Jim as always been and probably always will be the true power behind the throne. And I must say he performs that niche very effectively. :)
September 25, 2011 at 12:36PM ESTgsmith140
September 23, 2011 at 9:53AM EST Reply to CommentI was not expecting much but I thought the Dwight gags were great. I laughed heartily at him attacking Meredith with the fire extinguisher and dropping the paper on the guy's head in the warehouse.
Sweetness
September 23, 2011 at 9:54AM EST Reply to CommentThat last bit with Pam finding Jim's list was downright infuriating. It reveals how the writers' ideal romance is incredibly juvenile.
Kmarko Infuriating? Seemed sweet to me.
September 23, 2011 at 10:14AM ESTJohn I'm with you here Sweetness. There was no reason for Jim to do this, no set-up. Felt like I was watching terrible fan fiction.
September 23, 2011 at 10:58AM ESTDrew Melbourne I don't understand "infuriating" or "terrible fan fiction." Pam was clearly emotional and was having a bad day, and he did something goofy to cheer her up. For a show where characters sometimes drift OUT-of-character for the sake of a joke, this seemed very "Jim."
September 23, 2011 at 12:08PM ESTdurodude Yeah, sorry sweetness, but I disagree with you 150%. That was a very JIM stunt, and it incorporated the theme of the episode in it. I enjoyed Jim and Pam's chemistry more in this episode than I did most of last season's combined. It was, honestly, very sweet and right up their ally. Not quite sure how someone could be infuriated by that, but oh well . . .
September 23, 2011 at 1:17PM ESTJ What I found to be infuriating wasn't the list itself, but the presentation. Had they let it go as a wordless moment -- doesn't it feel like they might have? -- it would have felt like s private thing. Instead it gets framed and blathered about for a solid minute. Hamfisted.
September 23, 2011 at 3:43PM ESTed w I just wish they would stop it with the tags at the end. Often there's a really nice ending to the overall story and then they had to tack on a tag after just having ended it elegantly.
September 24, 2011 at 3:05AM ESTAndy
September 23, 2011 at 9:54AM EST Reply to CommentI feel like my standards are lowering as there are so few comedies I watch anymore. I thought it was an okay episode with a few decent laughs. I don't mind Andy in charge, but your points are valid and I agree that Stanley new verbal tic seemed out of place. I was also surprised how casually they treated Angela's pregnancy considering the ongoing "outing" of her husband by Oscar (was she even married last season?) I'm wondering if Spader will be in every episode - I know they established that he'll be splitting his time between Fla and Scranton, but they could easily make every episode based around his Scranton visits.
sepinwall Paul Lieberstein said he'll be in 15 episodes:
September 23, 2011 at 9:56AM ESThttp://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/interview-the-office-showrunner-paul-lieberstein-on-james-spader-and-more
Kmarko I was amused at Stanley's catchphrase. While it's clearly not in keeping with his established character, I think one of the things long-running shows sometimes do is create some latitude in regards to their characters. Ryan, for example, simply exists to be funny, independent of whether his lines/actions fit with his past characterization. There's an artistic license that goes on this many years in.
September 23, 2011 at 10:16AM ESTeddie willers Angela is obviously not pregnant, but wearing a prosthesis and faking it.
September 23, 2011 at 10:21AM ESTdurodude No, Angela IS pregnant . . . with Dwight's baby! ;)
September 23, 2011 at 1:20PM ESTAm I really the only one who sees crystal clear where this storyline is headed? Can't believe that!
Chad
September 23, 2011 at 9:58AM EST Reply to CommentI disagree with you. I think Andy has just "enough" Michael Scott in him to not be such a stark diversion in the storyline. I had actually guessed Dwight would be named and I don't know if I could keep up with his constant medieval management techniques. I also am happy Spader is getting a more hands on role than Kathy Bates had.
Maybe it was just me wanting to like it, but I really enjoyed the episode last night. The only thing missing was a little more Creed and I would have enjoyed Oscar's comment about Angela being pregnant by THE SENATOR.
automorphicvialoog
September 23, 2011 at 10:01AM EST Reply to CommentEverything that Andy did this episode felt as though it was written for Michael. Were those two characters always this similar? And what's Gabe still doing around?
Matt W Agreed about Gabe. I was shocked that he was still there...not so shocked about him being the only "loser" on Andy's list.
September 23, 2011 at 10:04AM ESTMJ I honestly feel like Gabe is one of the worst characters on TV. Didn't like him from the start, and was so happy they seemed like they were getting rid of him. OH well, at least his screen time was cut back.
September 23, 2011 at 10:54AM ESTBoxkutter Gabe:Andy::Toby:Michael
September 23, 2011 at 1:07PM ESTBob Yep, Gabe is a useless, unfunny character.
September 23, 2011 at 1:12PM ESTAlso, I always thought Andy was too Michael Scott, even from the beginning. Which is why originally I was happy that it looked like he was leaving...but then he came back. So to me, putting Andy as boss is the least interesting thing they could have done, it's going to just be the same old show (which I'm sure the network is happy about).
Durodude First of all, I'm thrilled about Andy's promotion. Secondly, I agree that Gabe is a generally dull character. However, he may actually have a better role to play now as Andy's version of Toby. As for Toby, however, I'm kind of concerned about what his new niche on the show will be.
September 23, 2011 at 1:24PM ESTAlso, where is Jordan?
sepinwall Jordan's gone. Lieberstein mentioned it in the interview I linked to elsewhere in the comments.
September 23, 2011 at 5:40PM ESTdurodude Oh. Thanks for the info, sepinwall. I wasn't really a huge fan of hers or anything, but she just sort of seemed to disappear as if she had never been there. Oh, well.
September 23, 2011 at 6:22PM ESTchip_christian
September 23, 2011 at 10:02AM EST Reply to CommentAgreed 100% re: Stanley. All I could think was someone's trying to turn one of the black guys into Arnold Jackson.
filaphresh I didn't have a problem with Stanley because maybe Stanley isn't into catchphrases, but "shove it up your butt" is pretty much his philosophy in life, and he's willing to laugh at people and be disrespectful, so it seems pretty in character overall.
September 23, 2011 at 10:36AM ESTCol Bat Guano I'm willing to bet a lot of money we never hear Stanley's catch phrase again.
September 25, 2011 at 1:18AM ESTDurodude And I'm willing to bet you're gonna win that bet! ;)
September 25, 2011 at 12:38PM ESTMatt W
September 23, 2011 at 10:03AM EST Reply to CommentI thought Spader was average. He had me disliking his approach until the "Winners: Prove me right, Losers: Prove me wrong" line. Even Pam was reasonably impressed by his "logic."
Andy owned this episode because of how he stood up to Robert twice: once with his own list (everyone has good qualities) and once at the end when he demanded Robert to clear things up about the list. Andy now has everyone's respect, as you could tell by everyone saying good night to him as they left for the day.
Sophie Did you notice how Robert California smiled approvingly as Andy exited the conference room after he challenged the new CEO? He set Andy up...and Andrew passed the test!
September 23, 2011 at 1:09PM ESTdurodude Ditto that, Sophie! You hit the nail on the head! :)
September 23, 2011 at 1:25PM EST
September 23, 2011 at 10:06AM EST Reply to CommentI thought it was a great episode. My criteria: my wife and I laughed at it the whole way through.
Kevin
September 23, 2011 at 10:08AM EST Reply to CommentThis kind of felt like a pilot for the post-Carell office, so I'm willing to cut it some slack even though it was far from perfect. Still some good stuff in it though.
Jack
September 23, 2011 at 10:17AM EST Reply to CommentI enjoyed the evolution of Andy as manager and how slyly Robert California motivated the crew. That amused little smile on Spader's face at the end gave me hope that the season will contain surprises. However, the point would have been better made in the standard half-hour format. Too many dull scenes padded the hour.
Jay V Jack, what are you babbling about? The ep was just a 1/2 hr, not an hr.
September 23, 2011 at 10:41AM ESTChampSkins
September 23, 2011 at 10:22AM EST Reply to CommentAlan, on other posts for Community and P&R you state that a season premiere usually isn't the funniest because it has to set up so much stuff and deal with cliffhangers...
Well, I felt like this episode was the best example of that. It just felt like the entire time they were trying to set up everything for the season, put all the pieces into place.
With that being said, I am not really sure that the Office is really going to be good without Carrell, which is an obvious thing to say. But I wasn't very encouraged. It felt really clunky, like Will Ferrell's stint last year. Guess we will see...
sepinwall I did think of that point as I was writing this review. That said, I laughed at those episodes significantly more than this. There was definitely some season premiere-itis to "The List," though.
September 23, 2011 at 10:42AM ESTCol Bat Guano This was far superior to any of the Will Ferrell episodes. Not sure it will carry through, but it felt like they had actually thought about the character rather than just shoe horning someone in.
September 25, 2011 at 1:20AM ESTPeter
September 23, 2011 at 10:22AM EST Reply to CommentI thought Jenna Fischer was hilarious as pregnant, hyper-emotional Pam. Easily the highlight of the episode for me.
Do we think Andy is going to be manager for the long haul? I could see him flaming out a bit and Robert making a change in favor of Darryl or Jim reasonably soon.
Durodude I really hope Andy remains the boss for the long haul. As far as the manager position goes, this show really needs some stability in that area now. Jim and Dwight are excellent WHERE THEY ARE. Jim is a great character, but too normal to be the manager. We've gotten a taste of him being the boss before, and those episodes are some of my least favorites. Jim sitting at the same spot he's always sat at with Pam on one side and Dwight on the other is a perfect combination. If something isn't broken, don't fix it!
September 23, 2011 at 1:35PM ESTAs for Darryl, I truly believe he is hilarious in small to moderate doses, but he would quickly become boring and repetitive as the manager. Honestly, my greatest fear going into this season was that Darryl would end up manager. Heck, I would've take Kelly over him!
Pam was the best part of the episode. I think Ed Helms casting reeks of his agent getting in there and showing the box office figures for both "Hangover's" in the producers faces. Boring.
September 23, 2011 at 2:26PM ESTDurodude I disagree, Greg. I don't think Andy flaunted "The Hangover" in front of them in order to secure the gig. However, the success he has experienced over the past couple years has been impressive. With Carell's departure, Ed Helms is now the biggest name attached to the show--and he is very funny and capable of playing his character just right. He was a shoe-in for the job. Anyone else would've shocked the heck out of me.
September 23, 2011 at 3:28PM ESTAlso, those successful numbers attached to the Hangover franchise do mean something. Helms was very entertaining in those movies and has rightfully earned any perks that come his way as a result of their success.
ChampSkins
September 23, 2011 at 10:24AM EST Reply to CommentIf Angela is actually pregnant, is there any reasonable doubt it is actually Dwight's and not the Senator's?
Durodude Thank you!!! I am so glad someone else realizes that Dwight is the father! ;)
September 23, 2011 at 1:37PM ESTArtemis I am in total agreement here. So glad someone else sees it too.
September 24, 2011 at 2:34AM ESTCol Bat Guano Well, the Senator must have some reasonable suspicion the child is his or Angela would have some explaining to do.
September 25, 2011 at 1:22AM ESTDurodude Well, you'd think Angela would have some reasonable suspicion that the Senator is gay. She clearly is clueless, so he might be clueless that the baby isn't his. Plus, it would not be the first time Angela slept with someone else (cough*Dwight*cough) while in a committed relationship. Baby contract + Dwight = BABY! ;)
September 25, 2011 at 10:46AM ESTJon Weisman
September 23, 2011 at 10:26AM EST Reply to CommentI thought this was a brilliant episode from start to finish, and that everything worked. I'm serious. I could hardly be happier with it.
Durodude Ditto that times ten for me! :)
September 23, 2011 at 1:37PM ESTBarry
September 23, 2011 at 10:34AM EST Reply to CommentThe funniest bit that made me laugh the hardest? "Hey Dwight, throw me my phone." And then Dwight just hucks the phone like a baseball to Jim. Simple and effective.
mturnerdu I legitimately laughed out loud at that. Exactly the thing Dwight would do and take delight in.
September 23, 2011 at 10:40AM ESTDurodude Yeah, Jim SO set himself up for that one. I knew it was inevitable he'd end up with a broken cell phone. You'd think Jim would learn his lesson by now. NEVER ask Dwight to throw something at you! Especially if your name happens to be Jim.
September 23, 2011 at 1:45PM ESTsrpad
September 23, 2011 at 10:35AM EST Reply to CommentI think you are being hard on this episode. I thought it was funny throughout and while at first I was convinced that Andy was a red herring and he would be demoted by episode's end and the real new manager would get promoted but by the end he won me over and I was glad I was wrong.
Even Robert California worked. The intensity he had in the finale last year was unsustainable so toning him down was necessary and I actually liked his speech at the end about the winners/losers proving him right/wrong. It seemed real.
I wasn't looking forward to the Office as much as Parks and Rec and Community but now I am sold.
Durodude Yeah, I don't think Robert is such a bad guy. Granted, his methods can be eccentric and definitely mean in some cases, BUT there's most assuredly a positive method to his madness. I firmly believe the whole point of the list was to test Andy--and ONLY Andy. It wasn't really about the other employees at all. And I'm happy to see the Nard Dog pass that test with flying colors!
September 23, 2011 at 1:48PM ESTBarry
September 23, 2011 at 10:36AM EST Reply to CommentFunniest gag was when Jim asked Dwight to throw him his phone and he chunked a fastball at the wall. Simple and effective.
M
September 23, 2011 at 10:47AM EST Reply to CommentI guess the job went to Andy because he's the most like Michael and having him in charge changes the show the least in terms of tone. Personally, I wanted to see it go to Jim. Not only is he the character that probably deserves it the most in terms of the audience rooting for him, but I think it could have set up a good Liz Lemon-esque vibe in which he's in charge of the crazies below him and reporting to a slightly crazy person above him.
JMoney is there really any doubt as to why andy should be made the boss? he's in the company as a salesman but he's not good at it (e.g. last season when he started hemorraging clients). he's got the quirky attitude and give n take with all the people in the office that it works with him.
September 23, 2011 at 1:15PM ESTwho'd have thought that the only person to survive the stamford/scranton merger and come out on the boss would be andy?
Durodude I knew that Andy would end up manager when Michael gave Andy his most important clients before he left. I think in some roundabout way Michael played a very big part in choosing who the new manager would be. I really think Michael set Andy up for that promotion. Kind of cool, actually. :)
September 23, 2011 at 1:51PM ESTSue
September 23, 2011 at 11:08AM EST Reply to CommentHaven't laughed that hard at an Office episode in a long time. I say it was a hit-good energy and I think wise to change up some character traits. Now that Michael Scott is gone it would make some sense to bring out a new side to the characters
Durodude Amen to that to infinity, Sue. I totally agree!
September 23, 2011 at 1:52PM ESTM Rogers
September 23, 2011 at 11:13AM EST Reply to CommentAnyone else notice that on the list Creed is listed as "Old man" ?
Matt W Haha yeah, I saw that!
September 23, 2011 at 11:26AM ESTDurodude That didn't escape my notice either! Very funny, as is usually anything pertaining to Creed! And it shows California has a sense of humor, which kind of make him even scarier. LOL
September 23, 2011 at 1:54PM ESTDave F The beauty of high definition television is you can pick up little things like that.
September 23, 2011 at 4:58PM ESTM Rogers
September 23, 2011 at 11:14AM EST Reply to CommentDid anyone else notice that on the list Creed was listed as "Old man" ?
Durodude See Above! ;)
September 23, 2011 at 1:54PM ESTbryan-a
September 23, 2011 at 11:17AM EST Reply to Commentnot a terrible show by any means- I like Andy but was also very surprised at him being chosen as the boss. I know this show has issues with continuity but they seem to have just completely disregarded his anger management issue- I understand he's had therapy but they are going to need something do distinguish him from Michael and that would be a way.
Durodude Maybe Andy truly worked through his anger issue in therapy. However, there are times you catch a glimpse of his temper (usually in humorous rather than alarming ways). Remember last season in "Sex Ed"? He holds a sex education seminar which naturally goes horribly wrong, and he throws the pizza up against the wall. So the anger is still there. Just in small, convenient doses.
September 23, 2011 at 1:59PM ESTI really wasn't surprised they made him boss, especially when they cast his family over the summer as the dad from 7th Heaven, the mom from E.T., and JOSH GROBAN! That's a lot of focus to devote to one character who is not in the leading role!
Durodude
September 23, 2011 at 11:55AM EST Reply to CommentWow! Some people REALLY just have it in for this show. Last night's episode (which was the strongest season premiere for this show in years) does NOT deserve the negative criticism in the above article. I feel like people simply want to write off this show because Steve Carell left. Now, I am the biggest Michael Gary Scott fan ever, BUT things change. Life goes on. He's gone now, and we as Office fans need to let him go and accept the UNTHINKABLE--That "The Office" CAN work quite smashingly without him, as it proved last night. You already covered all the negatives (some of them over-exaggerated and even imagined) of this remarkable episode, so I will now tell you what worked in this episode.
1) ANDY BERNARD!!!: ALL summer long my family and I speculated animatedly about who the new boss should be. While we all liked Dwight and appreciated Darryl's niche on the show, the choice to us was obvious. As we apprehensively tuned in last night (stopping watching X-Factor to do so), we were terrified the writers would get it wrong. And then . . . a MINUTE in, (drum roll please) . . . Andy Bernard was declared to be the new regional manager! YESSSS!!!! Thank God the writers got it right! Ed Helms is a hilarious actor who possesses many of the Michael Scott-ish qualities but not to such a degree that he's a carbon copy. Making Dwight his "enforcer" means that Dwight's character can shine to his fullest extent, Andy's relationship with Erin is now far more interesting, and Andy even comes with his own personal "Toby"--Gabe! The scene at the end where Andy stands up to California and defends his employees was actually very touching and confirmed beyond any doubt at all that Andy is perfect to lead the post-Carell era.
PREGNANCIES: Jim and Pam were the best we've seen them in a LONG time. I felt like the magic was back. Jim's list at the end to Pam was touching and very much the type of thing we like to see happen in their relationship. Also, Pam's emotional crying moments were totally believable and equally hilarious! It's also nice to know they're having a boy. Now, as for the other Office pregnancy, I was not surprised it turned out to be Angela, and I can TOTALLY see where this is going. I'm still unclear about whether or not Angela and the senator (excuse me . . . STATE senator . . . Oh, yeah, GAY STATE senator) are actually married yet. But it doesn't really matter one way or another. Their relationship is doomed to fail in a spectacularly entertaining way. And that baby? NOT the state senator's! Little does Angela know that little Dwight Schrute, Junior is in her womb. ;)
ROBERT CALIFORNIA: James Spader is certainly an engaging actor, and he provides a nice Yin to Andy's Yang. He is every bit the evil genius manipulator (in a good way) I expected him to be, and he provides an interesting new challenge to the characters of this show. Should we consider him a villain, or will he grow on us like Michael did over the seasons? Time will tell, but I have a feeling there are some endearing traits we'll see glimpses of along the way. This episode was rightfully an ANDY episode, but Spader played his part very well in it. I'm still getting used to him, but I find his character quite intriguing.
STANLEY'S CATCHPHRASE: Okay, people, I implore you NOT to take Stanley's "in your butt" line too seriously. It is not genuinely intended to replace Michael's legendary "That's what she said" quips. Don't you "get" that they're making fun of TRYING to replace TWSS? Stanley thinks his line is hilarious, but we all know it's really not that funny. That irony is where the true humor lies. PLEASE do not make the mistake of taking this show too seriously. To do so robs a viewer of his or enjoyment of it.
PLANKING: Four Words. Hil. Ar. I. Ous!!!!
Sometimes shows become too comfortable relying on one key element to sustain them through some less than stellar moments. Steve Carell was that anchor, and he certainly did an Emmy-winning job of carrying the show over the years, but NOW the training wheels are off. The show will either stand on its own or sadly fall. The safety is gone, and this pushes the writers and the actors to produce their best work possible. Steve Carell's time on the show made it what it is today. His departure from the show may just be what it takes to save the show by putting fire under everyone's creative butts to deliver.
If the first episode of this new season is any indication of the quality Season 8 will offer, then I am delighted to say that Dunder-Mifflin Sabre will not be downsized any time soon! It was a BRILLIANT premiere episode. X-Factor was NOT the best thing on TV this week. THIS was!
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September 23, 2011 at 12:56PM ESTJ It's nice that you enjoyed the episode as much as you did, but all the funny moments you pointed out just didn't really strike me as all that funny. I doubt I'll ever stop watching "The Office" because hulu makes it so easy to keep up with it, but the show has gotten to the point where I'm fairly surprised to like an episode from beginning to end, and this episode offered no surprises. I'm not just jumping on board with all the post-Carrell hate, because I've really felt the show's been weak for a while now (probably starting with parts of the fifth season). This wasn't a promising start, but nothing really led me to expect one. If there are 1 or 2 episodes this season that I really like and enough redeeming value in the episodes I don't, then I'll be happy. But I won't pretend that this is still one of the best shows on television.
September 23, 2011 at 1:13PM ESTBobs Andy was the most boring choice possible. Hello, return to Office status-quo of semi-mediocrity.
September 23, 2011 at 1:25PM ESTDurodude Okay, Bobs, enlighten me then. Really, I'm curious. You think Andy was a boring choice. Who would've been the ideal, not-boring choice?
September 23, 2011 at 2:05PM ESTJ, we're certainly entitled to our own opinions, and I pull no punches about the fact that this episode exceeded my expectations in every way. It could've been an epic fail; it wasn't anywhere close to that. I actually do believe it's in the top 3 best shows on TV, but I know that is subjective. You seem like you tried to find the good in it though, so I am glad for you. Hopefully as the season progresses, it will impress you to a greater degree. Thanks for your response! :)
Bobs A not boring choice would have been anyone who might have changed the dynamic of the show, even slightly. Jim or Daryl would have been great. Shit, even Dwight (although that would have gotten old) or shit, Creed. Giving it to Andy was what I feared, since it was the most obvious choice...he's basically Michael Scott 2.0
September 23, 2011 at 7:09PM ESTDurodude So basically ANYONE but Andy? I just don't get where you're coming from. Here are the candidates you suggested:
September 23, 2011 at 8:24PM ESTJim: First of all, Jim doesn't want the job. That's very apparent. He is interested in making money, and he makes a respectable amount of money in sales. This is because he is a great salesman. With another child being added to his family, that money (and stability) is more important than ever. We have seen Jim in the head honcho position before. In short, he is competent but boring. Competent but boring will serve this show well. Jim is a great character (some might even say the most vital character on the show), but that character would lose all his charm as manager. Jim sitting where he has always sat with Pam on one side and Dwight on the other is a winning combination. No need to fix what isn't broken.
Daryl: The last thing I want to be is disrespectful, but I have to just cone right out and say something. For the life of me, I don't get the obsession so many Office fans have with Daryl. He's never ever been a main character. I like him, don't get me wrong. He is very funny in small to moderate doses, but I really put him in the same category as Kevin, Oscar, Meredith, Stanley, etc. I've never thought of him as a Jim/Dwight/Andy/Pam level character. He hasn't ever had the screen time to become that, and there were times he really bugged me in his warehouse days. Since his promotion, he has become more likable, but I would never in a million years even consider handing the management reigns over to him, even if he is BLAAAAAAACK!!!! (Joke, of course) ;)
Dwight: Though Dwight was my second pick, I do agree with you. It would've gotten old after a while. Dwight's interaction with Robert California would've made it interesting, but those exchanges can still occur even without Dwight in management. Dwight just doesn't work as boss. He's too extreme in his managing style. The whole show (while entertaining at first) would become TOO unbelievable if Dwight were boss. His excellent character is better used as an ambitious second-in-command and foil for Jim.
Creed: I assume this was a joke. There is no denying that Creed was FREAKING HILARIOUS during his brief stint as manager, but in a days' time he would've singlehandedly destroyed the company. Entertaining as that would be to watch, it would the unavoidable end of all things Office.
Andy (a.k.a. Michael Scott 2.0): Yes, there are some similarities between Michael and Andy, but there are also differences. They're by no means carbon copies of one another. Michael exuded confidence in himself, no matter how badly he screwed whatever task was laid before him up. Andy's definitely not there yet. He's still very lacking in the confidence department. He doesn't quite believe he's worthy of the power he's been given. But moments such as in last night's episode where he begins to find his wings and stand up to Robert are spectacular and heartwarming opportunities for growth. As far as what Andy and Michael have in common, they both have the potential to be quite funny and are somehow endearing to most viewers. Those Michael Scott qualities are indispensable. The minute a manager becomes not likable is truly the end of the show. I think the Nard Dog was a fantastic choice.
As for changing the dynamic of the show, my goodness! Has it not changed enough already? This past year has been a rollercoaster ride for the show. Michael left, we've had an assortment if managers from Dwight to Creed to Will Ferrell, and now an ingredient such as there has never been before in James Spader's character has been added into the tumultuous mix. Change is definitely in the air, and I agree with you that a healthy amount of change is necessary. But there is such a thing as TOO MUCH CHANGE--where the show would end up completely unrecognizable. I am all for some change here and there, but I do not want a brand new show. I want to watch "The Office", not some pseudo-Office spin-off.
Bobs Well, I never said anyone BUT Andy. I wouldn't have chosen people like Angela, Kevin, Pam, Ryan, etc etc. But with Andy, let's see what stories we'll be treated to. He feels left out! He gets jealous! He does goofy shtick that takes up minutes and minutes of screen time! It's just the same stuff that I think was getting old with Carell. I like the entire cast, and a lot of times I preferred the show when Carell would take off somewhere and we'd just get the rest of the group bouncing off each other.
September 23, 2011 at 10:24PM ESTI don't want half a storyline every episode being about Andy's love life.
Don't want to see Andy going on special calls and screwing up.
Don't want to see Andy trying to be loved.
The reason why people liked Daryl is that would have changed the dynamic of a show some think has gotten stale. I don't think it's quiiite there, but I do see the need to shake things up. Daryl has always been really funny, but in a low-key non panderign way, which I liked. And as a boss he would have flourished. Plus you have California on top, so he'd still be surrounded by weirdos. And this way I think the show would feel more like an ensemble instead of having to stop for long winded speeches that Carell used to do, and now I think Andy will start doing...if not speeches, it will be long shtick scenes of Andy mugging and being goofy.
The dynamic has not really changed, not obver last year. They just wasted a large amount fo time with relatively unfunny appearances by known actors for stunt ratings. I love Farrell, but that wasn't funny.
Bobs Let me add that I would have most liked it to be Jim simply to give his character any sense of purpose in this show. It's like if he disappeared, no one would notice much. They have no idea what to do with him anymore.
September 23, 2011 at 10:34PM ESTDurodude I appreciate your in-depth response to me, Bobs. You made a lot of points that I'm sure a lot of people would agree with. I have to be honest. I find Daryl funny like I find Kevin funny. They both have about the same amount of screen time per episode, and they both use that time wisely to deliver all sorts of hilarious moments. However, just as I would never advocate making Kevin the boss, I could never think Daryl would be great in that role. He's got a very subdued sense of humor, and while I may chuckle at some of his moments, I never really laugh out loud like I do with more over-the-top characters like Michael and Andy. In all fairness, it probably comes down to a personal taste thing. Different people find different stimuli funny. I find folks like Andy way funnier than I do people like Daryl. Just my cup of tea, I guess.
September 23, 2011 at 11:52PM ESTPart of the reason why I expect they made Andy the boss is because he balances out Robert California's uber intense personality with a lighter, more refreshingly naive one. Robert brings the fire; Andy brings the water. One zigs while the other zags. A commendable sort of balance is achieved. That's why I think neither Daryl or Dwight got the job. They're both a bit too serious to effectively be the Yin to California's Yang. Dwight would totally feed off California's intensity, magnifying it to explosive levels. Daryl may not be quite as disastrous, but he is so underwhelming and somber that the tone of the office could actually be a bit depressing with California and Daryl in charge. I may be wrong, but that's just the way I see it.
Andy, on the other hand, is the total polar opposite of California, effectively providing an interesting dynamic and a sense of balance. We saw the two of them play off each other quite effectively in "The List." Andy brought the fluff, while California brought the iron fist. California was the tough, crunchy outer layer of the candy bar; Andy was the warm, gooey center. Without either of them, something would've been amiss. I know those are extremely corny metaphors, but I'm just essentially trying to say that Andy and Robert complement each other nicely. You can't just look at individual office employees when determining the boss. You have to also take into account how this new boss is going to mesh with an extremely eccentric and very involved CEO.
As for Jim, I totally disagree with you that he has no purpose on the show. He is in a way the glue that holds the whole show together, along with Pam. They're the normal people and the ones we are most able to identify with. They have always been the heart of the show. To be frank, "The Office" can survive losing Michael Scott, but I think if either Pam or Jim left the show, it would cause irreparable damage. Everyone else on the show may be beloved characters (some more beloved than others), but they are also all rather gimmicky and, well, not normal. Jim and Pam's very existence sustains the show, grounding it in any semblance of reality. Jim doesn't need to be the boss to perform that role. There's plenty of room for his character to develop in other ways. For example, I would really like to see him develop more as a father on-screen. Jim and Pam are vital to the show. In no way could it function without them. They truly are the only irreplaceable cast members.
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September 24, 2011 at 2:04AM ESTBobs I would have agreed at one time, when the show was a little more grounded. But at this point it's gotten so cartoony and Jim and Pam seem sort of sidelined a lot. Maybe they're there, but they don't have much interesting stuff to do. They're not the heart of the show nymore, since it's given up those concerns for wackiness (as personified by Andy's being made boss).
September 24, 2011 at 2:08AM ESTThe reason I do like Daryl is the character of Andy just always comes off as begging for laughs, like Carell. I just don't want it to be the Andy show, I was sort of cold on a lot of last season, except the episode where they finally got rid of the damn guest stars and put Dwight in charge, and let the main cast bounce off each other. That's what I want to see.
Durodude Well, perhaps we can finally find some middle ground here. Look, as big a fan of Andy as I am (and I still think he'll do a great job as boss), I certainly have no desire for "The Office" to transform into "The Andy Bernard Comedy Hour." One thing you have to consider, however, is that whoever ends up manager is going to have at least slightly more screen time than his peers. Therefore, if Dwight or Daryl or Jim would've been the new boss instead, there still would've been the danger of the show becoming the "Dwight Show" or the "Daryl Show" or the "Jim Show." It's not really fair to blame Andy for having more screen time and more plots centering around him. That's the nature of the job. There is always a danger that the manager will get so much more attention than the rest of the cast that it completely overshadows them. I guess it's up to the writers to try and include everyone in the script to a satisfying degree--NOT an easy task, I would imagine.
September 24, 2011 at 2:29AM ESTAs far as wackiness is concerned, "The Office" has always had a wackiness to it, and it probably always will. Also, I know it's not the most realistic show on television. However, somehow I don't think a very realistic show about typical office life would do that well, do you? It would reek of boredom! I'll take wackiness over that any day. However, I do really hope the show takes this opportunity to expand upon "the rest" of the cast to a larger degree. There really is such a promising ensemble, and I hope they all can get their chances to shine. As for me, I'm trying to be optimistic about it. Maybe you think the season premiere could've been better, but I think we can both agree that it could've been FAR worse.
Artemis Wow you guys. This is quite the in-depth discussion.
September 24, 2011 at 2:37AM ESTDurodude LOL Yeah. I guess I've just missed talking about "The Office" over the summer! That, and I've had a bit too much free time on my hands today! ;)
September 24, 2011 at 2:46AM ESTTimm S
September 23, 2011 at 12:16PM EST Reply to CommentI thought the premiere was solid and made for a very entertaining show. The planking thing was very funny, Ed Helms is the best choice for manager (not a good salesman, but a good yes/company-man) and he played the part well. And I thought the tone they continued with Spader was note-perfect. They couldn't sustain how over-the-top he was in the interview, but Jim's explanation about how he dreads/loves it when he talks to him was dead-on, and fit right in to what we know about him.
All in all, given my low expectations, it sucked me back in.
Durodude You took the words right out of my mouth, Timm. I agree 100% with you!
September 23, 2011 at 2:07PM ESTAaron
September 23, 2011 at 12:30PM EST Reply to CommentWrite a comment...I enjoyed it more than most of the Carrell/Scott stuff over the past few years. His ship had clearly sailed and it opened up the writers to focusing more on current office and pop culture related themes (planking, youtube videos, etc.)
Durodude Michael Scott was one of the great TV characters of all time (and the Emmys looked very stupid for not realizing that). However, I see what you mean, Aaron. The show has always been enjoyable, but I think they became a bit complacent at times in the writing, knowing that good ole' Steve would carry them through. That's truly a lot of pressure for one man to bear, and I think Carell did it as admirably as could be expected. I really do miss his character, but I look forward to seeing a healthy change.
September 23, 2011 at 2:12PM ESTNow that Michael is gone, everyone involved had to up their game and consistently deliver. His departure may very well being out the best in his peers, which is a great legacy for him to have! Michael will always be the heart and soul of the soul in one way or another! :)
bmcmolo
September 23, 2011 at 12:32PM EST Reply to CommentNot the most confidence-inspiring start to the Michael-Scott-less years. James Spader was funny, he's worth watching in anything. Kevin was great - I wouldn't mind seeing that 'WARNING! WARNING!' thing used more. My biggest problems were these:
1) I noticed last year that when Mindy Kaling was tweeting about something, it would get shoehorned into the show. I think some cross-pollination is inevitable, sure. What I'm getting at is: sure, planking is stupid and deserves high-profile ridicule, and that opening sequence was very funny. But, would any of the characters really get as into planking like that? I know it might be a silly question to ask of a show that has strayed far from realism all the time, but that struck me as a bridge too far.
2) Pam. It really just seemed like "Oh, we need to give her a quirk cuz we got nothing." It's a little late in the game to invent new quirks for people. I realize she's pregnant and that not every pregnancy is the same, but we've already done this and she didn't do this. It felt like Will Ferrell's peanut allergy - a pointless detail to kill time, lazy writing.
3) Ditto for Stanley. It was funny the first time, but it doesn't work. When he used it "in action," I rolled my eyes before he even got a chance to do it.
4) Andy's not a good choice for manager. This is a very unsatisfying end to the whole "mystery." His speech defending the troops at the end felt really silly and forced to me. Much like the way the writers of Parks and Rec seem to be forcing their characters to over-praise Leslie Knope at every opportunity; I just feel like these hard sells come at the expense of the story/jokes/fun. But it's not a big deal, I guess.
5) Jim's forceful "shush" really made me want to smack him. I agree, tho, with what Alan wrote: he'd have been a better foil for California.
Mainly, once I realized they kept bringing up the Scranton Strangler for no real reason, but had no end in mind for doing so, and that they were never going to address the camera crew's seven season presence, and that Michael Scott was leaving, I lost a lot of zazz for this show. This didn't do anything to bring me back in. I wish them well, tho.
Durodude Wow. It kind of sounds like you are determined not to like the show. I'm sorry. I mean no offense, but the word "nit-picky" comes to mind. No episode is free of flaws, but this episode was honestly one of the better ones IMO. I'd like to comment on your numbered points now.
September 23, 2011 at 2:21PM EST1) One thing that I like about Mindy Kaling is how much she has in common with her character ob the show. You get the idea that she is really just playing a slightly exaggerated caricature of herself. So, obviously, I think you will find a lot of what they talk about similar.
2) You're breathing too much into this Pam thing. She's pregnant. She's an emotional wreck. Nothing unrealistic about THAT!
3) As for Stanley the Manley, it's one line. Nothing to get so riled up over!
4) You're entitled to your opinion. I think Andy's the BEST choice for manager!
5) Don't even remember Jim's shush.
Concerning the Scranton strangler, did you REALLY want him to bust into the office and try to kill someone? THAT would've been beyond corny.
bmcmolo Hey, I'm not riled up, no worries. I really do wish them well. Just as a longtime fan, that was what stuck out to me.
September 23, 2011 at 2:43PM ESTAs for the Scranton Strangler, it was more annoying how they made a point to bring him up so often and then never deliver on the storyline in any meaningful way, except as a convenience to get Toby out of the office and Holly in. From talking about this with people, I think I'm the only one it annoyed.
Durodude Sorry if I made it sound like you hated the show, bmcmolo. You're right. I could tell you genuinely want the best for the show, as of course do I. I think maybe I'm just uber-defensive about it right now since Steve Carell was denied any type of recognition at the Emmys for the kind of work he did on the show. So obviously I want the show to prove the cynics wrong and not only survive, but flourish. Perhaps that's a bit much too hope for, but I'm trying to stay optimistic, and I really objectively WAS impressed by this season's first episode.
September 23, 2011 at 3:43PM ESTAs for the Scranton Strangler, I totally get where you're coming from, and I doubt you're the only one a bit frustrated by what was obviously just a plot device to bring Holly back. It was fun last season to speculate about how things would play out regarding the strangler. I had ridiculous though entertaining theories of my own. I was convinced at one point that Gabe was the real strangler! I know, I know. It makes totally no sense, but he's just a creepy guy, you know? I too would've liked SOMETHING just a little more to come out of that plot, but I also can understand why nothing more did.
Col Bat Guano I can't tell you how glad I am that they just dropped the Scranton Strangler story. They spent too much time on it last year as it was and the possibility that it would be one of the characters is too ridiculous to believe.
September 25, 2011 at 1:33AM ESTfilaphresh
September 23, 2011 at 12:37PM EST Reply to CommentAnyone else think that having Angela be married to the (State) Senator and pregnant with his child a bit too sad of a story line for The Office? I mean, if their engagement had been broken up at the last minute by his outing, that would have been poetic justice for what she did to Andy. But I can't imagine the eventual divorce being amicable, so this poor kid is looking forward to having two parents who hate each other. Maybe the senator is straight and Oscar's intuition was wrong, or maybe he's bisexual and perfectly committed to Angela (which is a possibility the writers seemed to have ignored), but everything they've done up to this point has been pointing to him being gay and them eventually breaking up, which is a lot sadder if she's pregnant with their child
bmcmolo That is something I didn't even think of, but you're absolutely right.
September 23, 2011 at 12:47PM ESTdurodude You're right. That WOULD be sad for the child. Unless . . . That child has absolutely no relation to the state senator. I am convinced that Dwight is the father. If that is the case, then Angela breaking up with the senator and inevitably ending up with Dwight will work out wonderfully for the kid. The child will have both of its biological parents together. Then maybe the state senator will end up with Oscar. LOL
September 23, 2011 at 1:12PM ESTbmcmolo That's a good point, too, Durodude - hope that's what they have in mind.
September 23, 2011 at 2:43PM ESTfilaphresh @Durodude: That's probably we're they're going, but that seems too soap opera-ish for my taste, especially because Dwight and Angela have seemed over each other since they ripped up the baby contract and Angela showed no indication of being unhappy with the Senator. I guess it would be better than having the baby be the child of a marriage of convenience that ends messily, but I'd rather they had just broken them up before Angela became pregnant.
September 23, 2011 at 3:32PM ESTDurodude I know where you're coming from, filaphresh. I get why Pam's pregnancy was so sudden (due to it needing to mirror her real life one), but Angela's pregnancy definitely seems a bit abrupt. I am also flabbergasted that Angela and the senator are officially married. By the way, I may have missed it, but is it definitively confirmed that they were in fact married off-screen over the summer? Or is that an assumption because she's pregnant? I know they're engaged and all, but I sort of thought they would split before they actually got the altar. Plus am I the only one who would've been thoroughly entertained by an Angela/Senator (what his name?) wedding episode?
September 23, 2011 at 3:58PM ESTObviously, though, we know TWO things for certain. 1) Angela IS pregnant, and there MUST be a father. 2) The state senator is undeniably gay. Yes, he still could've fathered a child with Angela, but seeing as though a falling out between the two seems inevitable, I doubt the child is his.
Also, the fact that Dwight and Angela HAD a baby contract at all is pretty convincing proof that they are so not over each other. Personally, I've always thought the two of them belong together. They're the twisted reflection of Jim and Pam and actually complement each other nicely.
filaphresh @Durodude: She said when they were both talking about being pregnant something along the lines of "I'm having a baby with my husband, the senator, and Pam's having a baby with Jim."
September 23, 2011 at 6:50PM ESTDurodude Thank you, filaphresh, for clearing that up. I totally missed that "husband" bit. I need to watch it again maybe.
September 23, 2011 at 8:29PM ESTCol Bat Guano The Senator must have been able to consummate the marriage or he's going to have some real questions as to how Angela is pregnant.
September 25, 2011 at 1:36AM ESTDurodude Remember, the Senator already had a kid from a previous marriage. So, while he may be gay, he is still apparently capable of intercourse with a woman. At the expense of sounding crude, I am sure Angela and him have "done it." I just think Angela and Dwight have "done it" better! ;)
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