'The Killing' - 'Reflections/My Lucky Day': Everything's going to be different now?
What did everybody think of the AMC mystery series' season premiere?
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I posted my review of "The Killing" season 2 earlier this week. Like I said, while I thought there were some improvements, notably in the way they dealt with some of the character work (the Jamie/Gwen scenes in particular), it's still not a show I enjoy enough to be writing about every week. I imagine I'll watch the season on an irregular schedule and then come back to discuss how well (or not) the show handled the close of the Larsen case.
But for tonight, it's your turn. For those of you who came back, what did you think of the two-part premiere? If you were happy with the first season, did the quality continue? If you were among the angered, did you see any signs of hope in these two hours, or more of the same? Is there anyone who tuned in for this one to give the show a last chance and is now done with it? How did people feel about what we learned about Holder and the photograph? Did you like the new character played by Mark Moses from "Desperate Housewives" and "Mad Men"? Were fans of the Danish original happy to see Sofie Gråbøl (as Linden's friend in the prosecutor's office) playing scenes opposite Mireille Enos? Did you want more rain? Less rain? Chubby rain?
Have at it.
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Next 87 CommentsSR
April 1, 2012 at 10:01PM EST Reply to CommentI swore off the show after the finale, and I'm sticking to that. But I'll check back here to see which poorly written character they pin it on in the end.
happy
April 1, 2012 at 10:06PM EST Reply to CommentI too didn't watch. With no CBC shows, I just watched HIMYM reruns.
Fingers crossed for poor ratings.
jennyh For me, The Killing won out over the Junos (I watched the first couple minutes which were way heavier on the Nickelback than anything I would willingly watch otherwise and then realized AMC shows were on). Next week, though, turning the TV off will win out over The Killing.
April 1, 2012 at 11:50PM ESTGator
April 1, 2012 at 10:09PM EST Reply to CommentDidn't watch - not going to.
Watched the first season, no way I'm going back.
Dr. Gross
April 1, 2012 at 10:10PM EST Reply to CommentI stopped watching this damn thing about two thirds of the way through season 1. Do we know who killed Rosie Larsen yet?
Betsy
April 1, 2012 at 10:10PM EST Reply to CommentWatched the first 15 min. Then I remembered the old saying "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" and turned off the tv.
Richard Crow The actual saying is "Fool me once, shame on you...fool me...you can't get fooled again".
April 1, 2012 at 10:22PM ESTBut seriously who is watching The Killing? Other than TV critics who are either masochists are being payed under the table to gloat about this show.
Laurie lol @ Richard Crow's comment. good one :)
April 2, 2012 at 3:53PM ESTHautie
April 1, 2012 at 10:22PM EST Reply to CommentI watched all of it.
The saving grace for me was that Holden appears to be the idiot that got set up by the evil do'ers. I was so annoyed last year with him being made to look dirty. Along with many other things.
But the two hours were not bad tonight. And it covered more story in two hours... than the first 8 episodes from last season ever did.
heck
April 1, 2012 at 10:32PM EST Reply to Commentif they had wrapped up the rosie murder in the season 2 premiere and quickly moved along to a new mystery, I might have checked in on the show. I had grown to hate almost all of the characters on this show long before the ridiculous season one finale, and the idea of having to spend another 13 episodes with them is too much to handle.
beat Hear hear!
April 1, 2012 at 11:05PM ESTJMS
April 1, 2012 at 10:49PM EST Reply to CommentMark Moses, haven't seen him since Platoon, since I never watched "Desperate Housewives" or "Mad Men".
Now that the murder of Rosie Larsen is a high level government conspiracy, maybe the killer is General Krantz and The Company.:)
stepat201
April 1, 2012 at 11:04PM EST Reply to CommentThis show is seriously so atmospheric, I've always found most of the characters supremely watchable too. But I can't imagine the story developing in any satisfying way. Any time a show like this introduces a conspiracy theory, you just know it's going to take forever for them to solve it and by time you get to the resolution it won't be satisfying in any way and you won't care any more.
AnnaN
April 1, 2012 at 11:16PM EST Reply to CommentWatched GoT. Gurgled with delight and pondered why none of the elder Lannisters had blond hair this season. Then tuned in to Mad Men and delighted in that as well. The idea of even channel surfing the encore presentation of The Killing made me weary. So we settled on turning off the tv and reading. A lovely night all around.
yawwwwn
April 1, 2012 at 11:33PM EST Reply to CommentThe first 20 minutes were all I needed to see to realize the show was still terrible. So many little things that mAde no sense. The pointlessly insensitive hospital woman ... the army of reporters hiding outside the larsen's back door in total silence, then bursting to life when it cracked. No one knocked?
Bah. Terrible, terrible show. A different writer needs to kidnap Holder and start over.
eve OH god yes...LOVED the secretly lurking cadre of press who then screech to life like some blockbuster mutant monster and then after the door is closed we can still hear them. Were they all holding their breath out there? and for what reason?
April 3, 2012 at 11:34AM ESTKC I, too, thought the insensitive hospital staff was such an odd touch. Gwen and Jamie might not be family, but they clearly care about the guy and I couldn't believe how rude everyone was to them.
April 5, 2012 at 12:38PM ESTOn another note, when the doc said Jamie was close family ... did Jamie lie about that so he could stick around, or is he really related to Richmond?
Oh Well
April 1, 2012 at 11:42PM EST Reply to CommentI was just as mad as the rest of you at the conclusion of last season. Being a masochist, I watched the premiere.
I thought it was the best two episodes of the series (which may not be saying much). I like that there weren't any single episode suspect arcs. I think this season could be interesting as we get into the web of the cover up.
I regret watching all of the first season. However, its a sunk cost at this point and I enjoyed these episodes. Therefore, I'll continue watching
jan Same here. I just wish the Danish version were available here--especially after reading the article in the NY Times this morning.
April 2, 2012 at 1:26AM ESTSTOP WATCHING IT If it's a sunk cost then why continue watching at all if the first season was that terrible? You're doing the opposite of what you are supposed to do with a sunk cost by investing more in something hoping to get more out of it after realizing that the cost is indeed sunken.
April 3, 2012 at 7:48AM ESTTony
April 1, 2012 at 11:46PM EST Reply to CommentI feel bad for the show, I mean, this could've been really good if they had conceived it as a mini series, and then if they wanted to go the conspiracy route they could've set up a patsy. Or if they had promoted it differently. Show definately had a lot of potential.
Not that it didn't have other flaws though, theres a lot of network television cliche shit that you don't expect on AMC, which is something that FX excells at, no matter what the show is they go out of their way to steer clear of cliche's. We've grown to expect that from AMC too, or well, we had grown to expect that, but now that I've seen the Killing and The Walking Dead I've lowered my expectations,(although The Walking Dead still has some really insane moments that keep it on my short list tv shows, the Killing really pissed me off though lol.
Also, these freakin reCaptcha things SUCK, I always get it wrong atleast 5 times.
jennyh
April 1, 2012 at 11:49PM EST Reply to CommentSoooooooo boring.
I guess I should try to come up with a more cogent analysis than that but... I don't know if I can.
After the break, I can safely say that I do not care who killed Rosie Larsen. The Killing's characters can continue to run around like headless chickens; I'll just turn the TV off until Mad Men hour.
That One Guy From Last Season
April 2, 2012 at 12:00AM EST Reply to CommentYou know how the ads kept asking "Who killed Rosie Larson?" I did. Sorry to spoil it for you, especially after they worked so hard last year to make it look like it WASN'T me. But I did it. My bad.
Jesse I KNEW it all along!
April 2, 2012 at 4:17PM ESTEd
April 2, 2012 at 12:05AM EST Reply to CommentAlan, I thought you were done with "The Killing?" Specifically:
"So this will be the last review I write of "The Killing," because this will be the last time I watch "The Killing."
"I've been lied to by this show for the last time."
sepinwall Read other things I've written over the last two weeks to the show, including the review I linked to above. I discussed that.
April 2, 2012 at 12:52AM ESTEd Oh, I've read everything you post.
April 2, 2012 at 12:58AM ESTThis show, for better or worse, has a magnetic sense to it where you need to find out what happens.
(see also: boy being told not to touch hot pan)
Stuart
April 2, 2012 at 12:21AM EST Reply to CommentLove the show still, not sure if it has legs. Maybe introduce a story in another part of the country as part of the bigger conspiracy, ditch most of the cast and move on (Maybe Enos could consult).
Alan--Too much rain. It seems like some sort of weird inside joke. It doesn't seem like Its Always Rainy in Seattle
DH The rain is the only aspect of the show I love! Yes, it's ridiculous, and not even real Seattle rain (known more for its constant drizzle than its relentless downpours), but the lush grayness and greenness create a wonderful look and atmosphere.
June 5, 2012 at 12:51PM ESTYute
April 2, 2012 at 12:27AM EST Reply to CommentCan't we all just agree that Rosie killed herself, because even she didn't want to spend another minute with these people.
ireneinidaho Perfect!!!!
April 2, 2012 at 1:47AM ESTdon't bother
April 2, 2012 at 12:38AM EST Reply to CommentAlan, if these early comments are any indication of reader interest, you can let yourself off the hook. You don't have to recap (or even watch)
I know I won't be watching.
M.A.Peel
April 2, 2012 at 12:38AM EST Reply to CommentEven with all the flaws of last season, it still felt they were onto something special: atmospheric, visually interesting, compelling leads. They squandered that creative capital, some would say through it away with both hands. As others have suggested, would have been better as a miniseries.
M.A.Peel That would be "threw"
April 2, 2012 at 12:39AM ESTTheMadLibs
April 2, 2012 at 1:44AM EST Reply to CommentI can't say I loved the finale last year - but I wasn't sure if I bought into the critic uproar too much rather than letting it stew long enough. Having read an interview from Joel Kinnaman post-viewing tonight, I have to say my frustrations would have been assuaged 8 months ago had I been in on the "plan." (That is that the first 13 weren't intended to solve the case, and like the Danish's 20 episode arc, this 26 episode arc would do the same. Veena, AMC or both severely hurt themselves by seemingly advertising a finale that would solve the Larsen case (my annoyance last season wasn't that it was a lie, but that it seemed far too rushed for all the loose ends - I think it's why I think I was willing to accept the conclusion ultimately).
The red herrings from last season have me even more lost, I'm afraid - I'm not sure we know what we should and shouldn't know - but the 2nd episode tonight was the best this show has ever been both in terms of pacing, allowing the viewers to be more active participants, and even a larger variety of emotions (I swear, did I see Enos SMILE?) And the fact that it actually brought parts of s1's herrings back into the fray (and explained) was relieving. I think I am willing to trust Veena again.
Some things still pissed me off (namely how it took 13 epi to frame the councilman and now I'm supposed to feel tremendous volumes of empathy both for his paralysis & the 'truth' of what he was doing Oct. 5th? Also, I thought the show was missing something without Forbes.
But I thought the episodes benefited from more movement, balanced suspense, and re-framing that I was glad to see. Unfortunately for The Killing, Mark Moses will only be a sober Duck Phillips to these eyes. I just keep waiting for him to fall off the train...again.
Velvet
April 2, 2012 at 2:06AM EST Reply to CommentInteresting comments. I enjoyed the season 2 premiere very much. I can't wait to see what's next. I frankly never understood what the upeoar at the end of the first season was all about.
dorcol Completely agree with you. I guess most of these viewers like the weekly procedural show that wraps it up right then and there. I still am anxious to see what comes next.
April 6, 2012 at 10:27PM ESTDC
April 2, 2012 at 2:33AM EST Reply to CommentAt least it's nice to see Duck Phillips has found work again.
MBG I remember where he was when JFK got shot.
April 2, 2012 at 11:57PM ESTjoe
April 2, 2012 at 2:39AM EST Reply to CommentThe season premiere is indeed an improvement over the last season. But that is easy to do. Not just because last season was bad, but because in a season premiere all you have to do is raise questions to be answered later. And we know the killing did a good job with the premiere last season as well because of this. It was only when they tried to answer them that it turned south.
And you can sort of see the same thing happening again. Just like Richmond being suspected is a near replay of Bennett's red herring, it is also solved in an improbable way.
This is apparently a world where being suspected of the kidnapping and murder of a teenage girl is no big deal. Bennett kept quiet about what he was doing that night for illogical reasons. Similarly, we have a plot where a candidate refuses to exonerate himself of a murder charge because he thought being suspected of murder was less damaging to him campaign than a suicide attempt...
Kenya It's those sorts of inconsistencies that seem like lazy writing in what purports to be a serious show. It's a shame because I think a more thoughtful team could have provided something meatier for the actors.
April 2, 2012 at 1:48PM ESTAndy
April 2, 2012 at 3:21AM EST Reply to CommentGreat 2 hours of television. I was upset last year but realized its 2 weeks after the murder took place. What do the complainers want? Go watch mad men which was not as good compared to this 2 hour premiere. This show went fast as it was well done and the acting was superb. I can't wait to watch every week as holder and linden solve the case. The complaints about this show are for whiners. I'm very dissapointed alan won't be writing recaps but I'll go elsewhere. Probably going to be the senator as the murderer.
Jackson I agree, Andy. I think it is a fine show. The acting is great, sure the story telling is lazy at times. But so are some of the more beloved shows (Mad Men, Walking Dead) -- but viewers tend to gloss over those imperfections because they are so in love with the characters, Linden & Holder are not connecting with all viewers, like a Don Draper. For the record, I can't get enough of Enos and the Larsen family angle. The acting is superb, well...except for the councilman, he just seems so predictable and stereotypical, wish the would have went against the grain in casting the councilman and the mayor.
April 3, 2012 at 10:49AM ESTJL
April 2, 2012 at 3:26AM EST Reply to CommentFUCK. THE. KILLING. NEVER. AGAIN.
Ed Stay classy.
April 2, 2012 at 2:05PM ESTAP
April 2, 2012 at 5:53AM EST Reply to CommentFor the most part I enjoyed the first season; although, I liked the way the scenes were done on an individual & aesthetic basis than the season's overarching in-depth look at red herrings.
The first episode of this season really seemed too frantic for my taste, and it didn't help that I couldn't remember how some characters got along from the first season, especially that Lt that got replaced in the second episode (so I was confused whom Linden felt betrayed by).
The second episode slowed down a bit, and was more enjoyable aesthetically, but I am disliking that the show seems to be taking a turn towards conspiracy (especially how Linden's mental state was put into question in the first episode).
I can see how conspiracy is sort of the logical next step for the series; Rosies killer will be found and then Linden/Holder are still unraveling the coverup 5+ episodes in. However, from what I've seen in these two episodes, the Killing isn't really returning to last season's stylization of the first few good episodes, it's just becoming more convoluted into itself.
John
April 2, 2012 at 8:42AM EST Reply to CommentI know some of you guys are mad because you feel jerked around after last season but with television chock full of dumb comedies and procedural after procedural you have chosen this as the show you are going to boycott?
Missed opportunity Hi John, Yes there are a lot of bad shows - some of which are quite popular. I can't speak for everyone, but after 6 or so eps of The Killing last year, I was pretty much over it and pushed through to the end to find out the killer - assuming that unless there was considerable signs of making improvements (e.g. either in the press, upfronts, or good reviews of the new season) I wasn't planning on coming back.
April 2, 2012 at 12:05PM ESTAfter the season, it became clear that the showrunner (and even AMC) didn't acknowledge the problems. Really it was Veena Sud's arrogance that moved me from I'm-not-coming-back to I-want-this-show-to-fail.
Kenya John, I think the problem was expectations. Because of the channel and the good reviews of the original Danish version, many viewers expected it to be far better than it was. Most folks posting on here never cared or tried to like the types of shows you referenced. Also, the response of the showrunner probably didn't help. I still can't get over her comparing this show to Breaking Bad and Mad Men.
April 2, 2012 at 1:53PM ESTAt any rate, I had lowered my expectations by the end of last season and was not as floored by the finale as others. However, beyond these two episodes, I doubt that I would watch more. Since I'm cable-less, I have to make the effort to watch the show (or pay to download it) and I'm just not that interested.
joel If by "boycott" you mean "not watching TV shows that are basically a waste of my time," then yes, I'm "boycotting" The Killing for the rest of its existence. But by that definition, I "boycott" 95% of what is broadcast because it too is a waste of my time.
April 2, 2012 at 2:21PM ESTIf The Killing were a better show, people here would be watching it.
Madel Why would anyone who enjoys 'Braking Bad', 'Mad Men' and/or 'Walking Dead' want one of AMC's original shows to fail? Even if you don't like it, wouldn't you want the network to have success with it to help fund other programming?
April 3, 2012 at 7:57PM ESTEL
April 2, 2012 at 8:51AM EST Reply to CommentGreat show and much better then most scripted TV shows.. People need to relax just becasue they didn't reveal the killer after season 1. Seriosuly people get over it.
Col Bat Guano Still not getting it, huh?
April 2, 2012 at 12:13PM ESTjoel This horse is dead, El, so please stop beating it. There are about a dozen other reasons why no one is watching this show. The continuing mystery is actually very low on my list of gripes.
April 2, 2012 at 2:23PM ESTdorcol I'm still enjoying it.
April 7, 2012 at 2:00PM ESTOther Scott
April 2, 2012 at 8:53AM EST Reply to CommentI enjoyed most of last year, particularly early on. The show made me think, and I'm a sucker for shows that do that.
I didn't like the finale, not because it didn't reveal who killed Rosie, but because it didn't seem like a conspiracy fit the tone of this show. And I was right. Somehow, despite not being bored aall of the slow paced last season, I was somewhat bored these two episodes. Wheels weren't turning in my head, there was no real new evidence to ponder, it was just detectives walking around.
It seems funny that a show can get rid of most of its flaws that really plagued it in the first season and get worse, but that is almost what happened for me. I'll stick with it, I feel like it can get better than this now that we have our bearings. I thought it was kind of silly that the show spent to hours trying to readjust to last year's twist, when there really wasn't much adjustment to be made.
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