'Sons of Anarchy' - 'Bainne': Dead man talking
The search for Abel reaches a climax as Jax makes a tough decision, and then an easy one
Trinity (Zoe Boyle) and Jax (Charlie Hunnam) have a moment on "Sons of Anarchy."
A review of tonight's "Sons of Anarchy" coming up just as soon as I abuse the power...
"I let him go, Ma." -Jax
"I'm done listening to dead men." -Jax
Earlier today, Kurt Sutter declared "Bainne" a "pivitol episode in the arc of the series." Twitter typos aside (we've all been there), I see why he would say that. In deciding to leave Abel with his adoptive parents, Jax comes as close as he ever has to embracing his old man's disgust with the life he built with the club. And in seeing that decision end in blood - first of the idealized Mr. & Mrs. Petrie, then presumably of Father Ashby - Jax recognizes that blood is his lot in life, and that any attempt to fight that only makes things worse.
The chasm from the first line I quoted above to the second is enormous, and the second one - if Jax carries through with it - is a big moment for the show. If Jax is, indeed, done playing Hamlet and ready to wholeheartedly embrace what the club has become, then that's a very different character - and potentially a very different show.
But all of that is in the future, and Maureen's decision to hide John's love letters in Jax's bag suggests there's still some listening to dead men to come. I can't know the future, including how or if the various dangling threads (Jimmy, Salazar and Tara, Gemma's freedom, Hale) will be tied up in the next two weeks, much less how Jax will carry himself for the rest of the series. I'm curious to see on the latter, but I don't know yet. All I can do now is look at how we got to this point - to that moment when Jax finally held Abel in his arms and said, "I'll never let anyone take you from me again. I love you." - and ask whether all that led up to it was worth it from a dramatic standpoint.
And I'm still not sure it was, even though "Bainne" was a powerful chapter in what's been a very flawed season.
Yes, Jax's journey is a bit of the show having its cake and eating it, too, by letting him make the decision to give up the baby and then having circumstances conspire to give him no choice in the matter. But where that sort of thing's going to feel contrived if the Tara story follows the predictable arc of having her decide against abortion right before she has a miscarriage, here it had its roots in character. Jax has been fighting his feelings about the club for a long time, and while it would feel frustrating to have spent all this time getting to Belfast and then walking away without the kid, could you blame him for letting Abel go? Just consider all the things he's seen and done - and the people he's killed or seen killed - in the year or so timeframe that these three seasons have covered. Whatever Gemma might say about family, this is not the healthiest potential environment in which to raise a baby, and it's understandable that the Jax Teller we met in season one would actually consider this, and even make the decision that he did. At the same time, the violence the club spreads is so pervasive and unstoppable that it's not a surprise at all that the decision would backfire. And I was glad to see Father Ashby finally accept responsibility for all the hell he unleashed by refusing to give Abel back straight away, and to face possible execution at Jimmy's hand as a result.(*) If we had to suffer through all the plot contrivances of the last 11 episodes, then Ashby should have to suffer, as well.
And depending on what Jax can do with the Jimmy situation in the next couple of episodes, the Sons might be on the verge of becoming so big and so powerful and so steeped in the gun business that there's no point in Jax trying to fight the tide.
Again, I don't think the journey was worth the trouble, but the destination that was the Belfast half of this episode was a damn good showcase for Charlie Hunnam and the creative team, and it really makes me want to see where the rest of the season, and series, takes our suddenly not-so-conflicted hero.
Some other thoughts:
• On the other hand, the Tara/Salazar story? Ugh. Why put Tara in a position to not only have a gun on Salazar, but to have one on him WHILE HIS BACK IS TURNED AND THE GUN IS DOWN and not have her just shoot the guy? In taking out his old lady - and, in previous seasons, in shooting Kohn - Tara has shown she's not opposed to lethal force in moments of self-defense, and it should have been clear that this was one of them. Giving Margaret the gun and staying was just dumb. Hell, if she's just concerned about letting Luisa die, then shoot Salazar in the leg or something, get out and call 911. That's another case of a character doing something stupid because the larger arc needed them to stay in the same place they were for another episode or two.
• To keep the eye-rolling trans-continental, the episode did also provide us with Gemma pointing a gun at both a nun and a baby in the same scene. So there's that.
• Though the supporting members of the club haven't had much to do this season, I liked that Opie stayed with Jax for his extra time in the hotel room with the murdered Petries. It's good to get a reminder that these two are best friends, and that Opie has Jax's back ahead of the other Sons. On the other hand, the editing of that scene into the next one left the impression that Jax might be sticking around for the cops to punish himself, only for him to be back with the other Sons seconds later. A bit distracting.
• Agent Tyler doesn't look like she's congenitally stupid, yet you would think a woman who knows June Stahl in a Biblical sense would have realized by now that she's a borderline sociopath who will screw over everyone - including the woman she's screwing - to get what she wants, and that there were about 15,000 holes in her story about secret orders from on high.
• The homeless woman the Petries gave food to wasn't the phantom/Shakespearean girl from season one in Charming, was she?
• Wondering where Unser lands at the end of this story with Hale, the sheriffs, etc. Assuming he still has a badge by the time the season's through, I could see him playing a Hale (David, not Jacob) kind of role next year, where he recognizes that the Sons have their uses but is much tougher on them than back in the chummy days. The club needs an adversary who's not an obvious black hat, and they ain't forgiving him anytime soon (see Piney ordering him some bottom-shelf liquor), so why not?
• Some viewers keep speculating that Clay and Gemma arranged John's "accidental" death, and certainly JT's "And I know that I should be afraid" line in his love letter will only add fuel to that. But the iPad/iPhone app for the show, which has a lot of detail about the show's backstory, again says that the accident was exactly that. Now, I'm a believer that any important information about a show should be contained within the show itself, and if a crucial piece of intel is left to an app or a mobisode or an in-character blog or whatever, then the storytellers aren't doing their job properly. But in this case, the show has said that it was an accident, and everything else has been fan speculation, so I think that's fine. It's not the storytellers' job to address and dismiss every fan theory within the show.
What did everybody else think?
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Next 135 CommentsJosh
November 17, 2010 at 12:05AM EST Reply to CommentJax's "I just want my son back," from the beginning of the episode made me think wistfully of Thomas Jane in 'Arrested Development'.
This show has turned into a mess I just want my son back...but I will wander around the mall looking at him, and change my mind???? WTF???
November 17, 2010 at 12:52AM ESTI guess I should get some of the drugs these writers are using to alter my reality so I could actually believe what they are writing.
I'm sorry, I don't date homeless guys.
November 17, 2010 at 9:16AM ESTDaniel
November 17, 2010 at 12:09AM EST Reply to CommentI got the impression that Jax was doing some serious re-re-evaluating, and I expect him to end the season by sabotaging this new gun deal and finally getting us back to the central conflict of the show.
Daniel Meant to say he was doing that re-re-evaluating after Father Ashby's sacrifice.
November 17, 2010 at 12:10AM ESTA
November 17, 2010 at 12:11AM EST Reply to CommentSure, "I'm not listening to dead men" could have been dramatic, but then it was followed with *meaningful looks* between Jax and Ashby during the talk of expanding the gun business.
A Also, have we had interminable musical interludes EVERY episode this season?
November 17, 2010 at 12:25AM ESTTired of Stahl The only thing that could have made the mall musical interlude stupider and hokier would have been to have Katey Sagal singing an over-orchestrated arrangement of "Let it Be."
November 17, 2010 at 12:55AM ESTThank god for small favors that the nepotism in this show didn't go quite that far.
At least in this episode.
A What's too bad about the Gemma & the gun-on-a-baby scene is that were this season like the last, that could have been an excellent moment (and still nearly was) -- maybe the gun would have been going too far nonetheless, but I loved the revelation of her Solomon speech. OF COURSE Gemma would rather blow something up than lose her rights to it.
November 17, 2010 at 8:52PM ESTI also think it's a shame that, rather than bolstering her career/Emmy chances/whatever that I suspect leaning so hard on the Gemma character this season has been about, Sutter's created a Katey backlash that I think is too bad.
A Whoops -- sorry on my poor editing skills -- I obviously think much of this season is "too bad."
November 17, 2010 at 8:54PM ESTillin'
November 17, 2010 at 12:15AM EST Reply to CommentThe Tara situation had to be some of the worst writing possible. It makes absolutely no sense that you would slash the girls throat after being kidnapped and having your life threatened, only to then let the kidnapper off the hook by not shooting him and leaving yourself with no protection at all. What the hell did you think he was going to do when you told him she was dead...and you killed her!
Same goes for Jax leaving Abel when he was right next to him, the whole point of Belfast, only to have him get kidnapped again.
The writers sure make the Sons look like some of the dumbest criminal minds I have ever seen in a show. I end up thinking they are lucky if things work out instead of thinking they are a badass motorcyle club. Always a step behind and always making decisions that lead to worse situations.
How is that good writing?
Shit these people are STUPID Agree! The Tara mess was so stupid I HAD to switch channels. I'd rather watch a commercial than see more supposedly smart people fuck up so so badly.
November 17, 2010 at 12:38AM ESTNot as stupid as I need to be Agree in spades. The writing on this show has turned to crap.
November 17, 2010 at 12:50AM ESTAlso, HOW DID JIMMY CAPTURE THE PRIEST'S HENCHMAN??? This show is soooooo dumb.
Getting stupider every moment I watch SOA Agree on the "dumbest criminal minds" but in addition to making the club stupid, they had to make Tara stupid too?
November 17, 2010 at 1:01AM ESTAnd talk about predictable...Can figure the next episode season cliff-hanger will either be Tara dying, Tara being kidnapped AGAIN by Salazar or, let's try this on...the BRAZIL or IRAQ chapter of the Sons will have Tara as a slave and hold her all next season so Jax will look for her instead of breaking up with her.
Sheesh. Season one was great. How this show has fallen.
Stupid is as Stupid Does I'm still watching, so I'm actually stupider than the writers. How about if she really wanted to give saving the girl a shot AND Salazar was concerned enough about it to lower his gun to make some sort of truce, that part of the truce be Salazar give up his gun? Hell, it looked like he had set it on the floor in the bathroom anyway. Then both women have the guns, and the Admin keeps her gun trained on Salazer while Tara gets ta savin? No. You take the gun and leave me her so the mustache twirler can cause more totally avoidable havoc later. Yeah, that will totally work.
November 17, 2010 at 1:30AM ESTshipwreckedcrew I agree on the horrible writing of the Charming side-story, but for a different reason. The character that has been most decimated this season is Tig -- he's become cartoonish.
November 17, 2010 at 5:57PM ESTIn "show time", how much time has elapsed since the revelation that he shot Opie's wife and current circumstances. Tig and the new guy -- whose name I don't even care to remember -- are like a bad "buddy cop" combination. They hate each other, they love each other, they hate each other, blah, blah, blah, with a disbelieving Piney shaking his head about the "boys" and their fights. Tig has been reduced to a caricature of a real person by the entire Charming storyline.
Tara, on the other hand, is nothing more than a Saturday morning "Perils of Pauline" serial.
Josephine Good one, shipwrecked...Perils of Pauline indeed.
November 17, 2010 at 7:32PM EST(Now afraid Tara will next be seen tied to a railroad track with train coming in distance)
Oh dear.
Teklanika
November 17, 2010 at 12:26AM EST Reply to CommentLoved the Belfast side of this episode. Very heavy. Agree it was a "have your cake and eat it too" moment for Jax to do the noble thing and give up Abel, but I liked the resolution. Jax is a mess. He needs a vacation. Instead he gets the call from Tig about Tara. Which reminds me:
Totally agree with Alan about Tara stupidly handling the situation so she can remain in danger b/c she needs to for the plot. They should have done that differently and still gotten the same result.
I thought they laid it on a bit thick with the Petrie's. NO ONE is THAT happy. Just when you think they couldn't be better people they give money to a homeless person which was the same homeless girl from previous episodes I think.
Still, my favorite ep of the season. Thought last week's was very good. thought this week overall was an outstanding ep.
Stupid is as Stupid Does All do respect Teklanika, I think the noble thing to do would be to get your son and make a commitment to raise him right and leave your violent life behind. There's an entire world out there that doesn't involve violent MCs. World, hell, there's the rest of California. He can move south to San Diego and he won't even have to get a new driver's license. Leaving your son behind isn't a good or bad option....BECAUSE IT'S NOT AN OPTION.
November 17, 2010 at 1:49AM ESTAlso, just moments before we had Gemma insisting that she go and other members pointing out the fact that if Jax finds Able he can't just tuck him into his saddle bags and ride back. But I guess Gemma was just along to submit her Dramatic Acting Scene involving nuns, babies, and loaded weapons. Then she's back in her trailer till they need her some more Dramatic Support. So the group finds Able's whereabouts, then let's Jax ride to the hotel alone. Because if they were there, leaving the baby with the Saints of Peitrie Street. Lord forbid we advance the plot in a way that actual humans would conduct themselves in this type situation
Teklanika All due respect to you Stupid is as stupid does, but people make the decision to give up their kids for adoption every day. Either b/c they really don't want them which is not the case here, but also b/c they want them to have a better life that they can't provide for them which was the case with Jax. It sounds easy to say move to SanDiego with Tara and raise their kids but all Jax has known his entire life is the club. That is the conflict.
November 17, 2010 at 10:50AM ESTSIASD I don't believe that every day people are making the decision to give up babies that they have already been caring for up for adoption. Every day people make the decision to give up their baby before the baby's birth, not 6 months after. Not after you've named him. Not after you've put on his specially made MC hat every day. Not after you've held him while he slept in your arms for the last 6 months. Not after you've turned a room in your house into the baby room. Not after you've taken tons of pictures proudly holding up your son. And certainly not after you've left a trail of bodies from Cali to Ireland in retrieve said son.
November 17, 2010 at 11:26AM ESTI never suggested it would be easy to leave the MC life. I thought we were talking about noble options, not easy options. If it's just plain easier to give up your kid than to try to lead the life of a decent human being, that doesn't sound noble to me. Sounds lazy. And cowardly. Even if somehow we can find a way to agree that it's the best thing to do in this spot, I don't think I could ever put a "noble" label on the package and try to sell it as such.
leo The other problem is the timeline - it's only been a period of days since Jax has been in Belfast. If this had been months or years (and yes I agree it felt that way), then I could more understand but he's fresh on the hunt for his kid and to suddenly give Abel up because he sees this completely-unknown-to-him couple acting nice for a few minutes felt fake.
November 17, 2010 at 12:10PM ESTJosephine Stupid Is..., I also thought it was stupid they let Jax go to the hotel alone.
November 17, 2010 at 7:40PM ESTThough generally I'm not a big fan of Katey Sagal, at least she showed more balls than Jax did by pulling a gun on the baby.
Agree with Leo and SIASD, you don't just in one sentimental moment decide to give up your kid just because people might seem to offer more stability and morals than you can. Agree this is rather lazy compared to changing your own life.
It was in "Angel" (spinoff of Buffy) that the vampire Angel gave up his son so he could have a better life with humans. But that was only after trying for a year.
Jax doesn't seem the father to do this after fighting a drug-addict mom, life-threatening surgery, and as was pointed out above, making a room for him, getting a full-time babysitter, etc.
SONS OF PEG BUNDY Angel, I remember that show. That show got kind of strange too, but in a funny way. The nightclub act with the guy with the horns on the piano were actually pretty good.
November 17, 2010 at 10:00PM ESTAlex
November 17, 2010 at 12:33AM EST Reply to CommentI hate all of the piling on that Team Sons has done this season: the slog to get to Ireland and the subsequent slog to track down Abel's whereabouts, Tara's pregnancy, Tara's kidnapping, the Hale stuff... I feel like there were a lot of unnecessary obstacles this season, and that the show is better than all of it.
I wish that Jax hadn't decided to leave Abel, at the end of his quiet little trip to the marketplace. And what was the Big Secret that Clay and Gemma were worried about Jax finding out? It obviously wasn't Trinity, so what then?
On the nitpick-y side: Yes, it's SO easy to just pick up a flip phone and call internationally, hmmm? I don't suppose that everyone has a prepaid int'l phone, and we never saw anyone use a phone card.
Alex Also, so proud of Tara for slashing Luisa up, and then, yeah, she had to go and ruin it by NOT shooting Salazar. The show would not be any worse off if she'd shot him (not fatally) and fled. He could still be used against Hale.
November 17, 2010 at 12:35AM ESTUnbelievable Agree agree agree. Tara kills the girl then has the drop on Salazar and wimps out? Stupid.
November 17, 2010 at 12:43AM ESTAs for those picture-perfect scenes at the mall, that was SO unbelievable again, I had to switch the channel for a while.
Then I came back and he was STILL walking around the mall.
Nobody would not have snatched that kid as soon as they could. No body, ever. Completely unbelievable.
My life is frustrating enough without watching my former favorite characters do such stupid, stupid stuff.
Tara is a DOCTOR! Hello??? hahahah funny about the international call, didn't know that, though it makes sense.
November 17, 2010 at 1:10AM ESTJust to drop in a teensy, tiny bit of REALITY here (writers, are you listening)???
So I'm Tara, a girl who has the considerable intellect and persistence to not only do 4 years of med school but then also do another 5 years to be a surgical resident, and to pass the millions of boards and test to do that.
BUT in the past few years I've been stalked by a federal agent and then watched him be killed, watched Sack be sliced open to death, tended to a guy who was blown to bits by a bomb, watched an immigrant be killed, known about the forcible abduction and rape of my boyfriend's mom....
and yet I am still walking around, dum-dee-dum, unarmed, unwilling and unable to protect myself or to shoot the guy who kidnapped me?
And also, I seem to have failed to understand that sex causes pregnancy since I didn't take any precautions....
These writers need to get OUT of their little room and BE in the reality.
SOA has great actors but they can only do so much.
mezzanine The portrayal of Tara as someone who has gradually become corrupted and sucked into the life of the MC has strained credibility since the very inception, but it's certainly moved to a new level this season.
November 17, 2010 at 8:27AM ESTThe inconsistency of character is hard to reconcile. I'm willing to grant a certain amount of room for the role of love in allowing the writers a degree of freedom, but the revelation about her administrator being a former "old lady" took things over the top completely and spoiled any remaining credulity.
Break down class distinctions all you want, but do it in a way that allows the characters to be believable. It's just totally incompatible to suggest that someone with the commitment and discipline to dedicate themselves to be a doctor is going to be so prone to self-destruction in such obvious ways.
Kaylie On the nitpick-y side: Yes, it's SO easy to just pick up a flip phone and call internationally, hmmm? I don't suppose that everyone has a prepaid int'l phone, and we never saw anyone use a phone card.
November 17, 2010 at 9:35AM ESTI went to Italy this summer, and I did have a pre-paid international phone -- STILL took me half an hour to get my call through!
Maggie Siff Fan! @Tara is a doctor hello...I agree 100% with your assessment of the Tara character. I love Maggie Siff and the character in general, but I have been beyond disappointed since season one with how she has been written. You don't get to be a surgeon without having a strong backbone, a lot of ego, and a significant amount of guile and cunning. Especially as a female pediatric surgeon who graduated at the top of her program she would have had to fend off all kinds of chauvanism. Love Jax or not I find it implausible she would not be more outspoken, opinionated, and arrogant. S2 episode titled Potlatch is the only time she EVER speaks out about "this life" putting her career in jeopardy and that is she she is pissed at Gemma for getting a complaint filed against her. Then she totally screws that up by punching the same boss three episodes later and threatening her and her family...all because she is parrotting everything Gemma says to her. So annoying.
June 6, 2011 at 5:17AM ESTI'm working on my Doctorate in Clincial Psychology right now and when I get that doctor in front of my name I will be damned if I will let anyone come close to talking me into doing anything that may get my licence taken away. If for no other reason than there is no way to pay back all the student loans other than being a doctor.
I think there is no way shape or form she would put her medical career in jeopardy to get in with this club. So in that vain I actually applaud Jax for being the one to realize her medical career was worth more than their relationship because Tara surely lost that plot.
But alas it is the writing. Magge Siff has way to much depth as an actress to continue underutilizing her. Time to let her open her wings so she can shine Sutter...even at the expense of her upstaging your wife.
People always talk about the relationship Siff(Mencken) had with Hamm(Draper) on Mad Men, and the quality of the relationship between Tara and Jax...I say the constant is Maggie Siff. I've never seen a television actor portray more depth of feeling and emotion or communicate so much with their eyes and subtle facial expressions. I'm showing my bias here, but when you REALLY pay attention to her during her scenes its easy to see that she is truly FANTASTIC!!
Scheer_Power
November 17, 2010 at 12:37AM EST Reply to CommentI doubt that Jax is done "listening to dead people", he probably is for the rest of this season until Tara is rescued though. I think, given the letter we saw Maureen reading from John Teller, at some point next season, Jax is going to have some questions for Clay and Gemma as to how his father died.
A Team Uh, yeah, that was telegraphed way back in Season 1. My guess is you'll have to wait until Season 7 for the big reveal: CLAY KILLED JT!!
November 17, 2010 at 1:19AM ESTI won't be there for ya, having quit this season.
Dave
November 17, 2010 at 12:37AM EST Reply to CommentDisagree with you on the suggestive comments in John Teller's letter to Maureen. This has been coming down the pike for a very long while and the Hamlet connection that is woven through the entire SOA saga will hold true in this instance. I think though that it will be just like Hamlet - Clay killed JT without Gemma's knowledge but she will appear guilty by association at first.
Agreed on Tara. That was ridiculous and that punk has been SCREAMING to die since the first three times they spared his life. When his back was turned was still self defense. He would absolutely have killed one of them or both.
The scene in the mall broke my heart in two. My 6 month old was sleeping on a pillow in my lap. Outlaw or not, I couldn't watch my son disappear into the distance, unless like Jax I truly thought that I was the worst person for him to be with. First time I've wept watching this show.
Good to see the Warrior Priest redeem himself by self sacrifice.
I hope they can tie up this mess between Jax and Stahl because I can't picture a world where Jax isn't part of this deal. If anyone needs to fall before this thing plays out to 7 seasons, its Clay. However, I think they will be locking horns until the last time we see SOA air on TV.
But if he was ratting out Jimmy in order to save Gemma and the club, especially since Jimmy was planning to kick the Sons out of the gun trade altogether and was a Judas to the Army and the MC, who the hell cares??? It would be more understandable if Jax was considered a traitor for ratting out a Club member. I wonder what the various Club members will do when it finally comes out (many seasons from now probably) that Clay killed JT?
j
November 17, 2010 at 12:46AM EST Reply to CommentI am pleased that Able is back with Jax. I also wondered if it was odd homeless lady from season 1 that the foster family gave money to. "Able will help my little boy".
Show has turned into crap
November 17, 2010 at 12:47AM EST Reply to CommentEvery time the Producer's Wife (Stahl) comes on I switch the channel.
That the writers are apparently trying to rehabilitate this character into somebody we respect just beggars belief.
I recommend to the writers of this crap that they spend some time with some real law enforcement officers to see exactly what professionalism IS and what is expected of these highly-paid and educated professionals.
Then maybe they would be able to paint a realistic portrait of a DEA agent. Because Stahl would have been fired in episode one for behaving this way.
Becky ATF.... not DEA...
November 17, 2010 at 12:00PM ESTshipwreckedcrew This is a very astute comment that Sutter should pay heed to. Having the Charming PD have a benign relationship with SOA is one thing, but to one single ATF agent as involved as the Stahl character has been, with all the things that have gone wrong to this point, not just stretches credulity, it is complete fantasy. These agents have supervisors, and the supervisors pay close attention to what the agents are doing. She's not running a "rogue" squad a la Sutter's former show. She's a line agent working a case, and there is quite a bit of oversight and accountability to management that exists in that relationship.
November 17, 2010 at 6:16PM ESTShow has turned into crap Shipwrecked, you are absolutely right about supervisors. Stahl, as part of the ATF (sorry I called it DEA) is a low peg in a big bureaucracy. As such, supervisors would be wanting daily reports accounting for her actions and reasons they are paying her "per diem" for being out of area in Charming for so long.
November 17, 2010 at 7:49PM ESTThe whole thing is so unrealistic. Yes, a small-town police chief could get away with stuff maybe but not ATF. Plus doesn't she have a job with other responsibilites, such as having to go back to testify on other cases she's involved with?
leo I think accepting the fantasy of Stahl's power is necessary for dramatic effect. If they attempted anything realistic we'd be watching her do paperwork all next season for the actions she got approved way back in S1. No one wants to see that. (Yeah I worked in law enforcement so I know.)
November 18, 2010 at 3:46PM EST"Sweet Anne Marie" Leo, Leo, Leo, as a cop she wouldn't be working a desk job if in fact someone was working her in terms of corruption. Let's make scenarios plausible, because Sutter doesn't take any ideas and by the looks of him, and his lack of knowledge of the history in Belfast, he's been played like a fiddle himself for his own self adoration. And let's talk about things you know, how many "old lady's" do you know that know anything about "club" business, or for that matter they don't even dare meddle, because they have nothing to say to the heat. Not just that and old lady is not supposed to make her old man look bad in terms of the power struggle within a club. This show was offered to me to take a look at and now that I've seen what I've seen from California to Belfast, well "HELL" "HUNny" I don't think it's in need of watching any more!
November 19, 2010 at 8:41PM EST"Sweet Anne Marie" Not just that, "The Club" in Sons of Anarchy by the way all the things are going on, they quite remind me, of the C.R.A.S.H. Unit of the LAPD. Even the selling of "gear" to wear. Who would wear that anyway, aside of from maybe Orange County Chopper Fans.
November 19, 2010 at 8:52PM EST"Sweet Anne Marie" Here's another thing from an intellectual property standpoint. Shakespeare has no intellectual property rights, so why would any writer choose him unless is was invoking Karma, which this show does not have. It doesn't work from those on the outside working in, it goes from the inside working out. He's not going to get any input using Shakespeare, but since he's started using it, he should incorporate a little "MacBeth" in terms of Clay and Gemma.
November 19, 2010 at 9:04PM ESTGeno
November 17, 2010 at 12:49AM EST Reply to CommentOlivia Burnette plays the "phantom/Shakespearean girl" from season one and her name was in the opening credits of tonight's episode. I'm assuming that was her the Petries helped.
This show used to be good See? Sutter is super deep. And a bad @ass. If you weren't deeply moved by the adoptive dad giving money to a passed out homeless girl / daughter of god, then you are too stoopid for Sutter to care about.
November 17, 2010 at 12:55AM ESTMe? I snarfed my beer through my nose when at the end of that mawkish garbage the dad gave money to a sleeping bum.
Please somebody stand up to Kurt! hahahah just wish I had HAD some beer to snarf through the mawkish garbage....
November 17, 2010 at 1:19AM ESTHow long did that crap go on, 5 minutes? And Jax is still watching???
I half expected for Jax to pull out a razor and start shaving his gross beard...or maybe be getting a shoe shine....or a slurpee...
I mean, if you're going to hang out in a mall and NOT get your son who you have been looking for for...months....might as well at least get something done...
Oh maybe I'm just not deep enough to catch Kurt's "it" that I'm not getting this season....
leo I didn't mind them giving money to the homeless girl because she has become a symbolic figure on the show. Don't ask me what she's supposed to represent, but it's kind of cool and she seems to be there when Jax is in major crisis. (Well some of the time since he is in major crisis all the time now.) It was overkill in the sense it idealized the Petries, but I could kind of see why they put her there.
November 18, 2010 at 3:50PM ESTBarrrrrry
November 17, 2010 at 12:52AM EST Reply to CommentSalazar was driving an old Camaro and not a late model sedan. You'd think a law officer would know better. Intentional mistake?
j I actually yelled that very thing to the tv.
November 17, 2010 at 1:00AM ESTThis show used to be good You'd also think law enforcement would be able to block the parking lot entrance so that Salazar couldnt' get away when their entire reason for being there was to nab him. But if reasonable sh*t happened on this show, this entire season would never have existed and apparently Sutter feels the need to have a 7 season arc even if one (and counting!!) entire season is nothing but hokey nonsense.
November 17, 2010 at 1:01AM ESTJ I think they did block the entrance but they let the Camaro go and stopped the old couple driving a Buick Regal that was right behind Salazar.....darn!
November 17, 2010 at 1:08AM ESTWhat a load of tosh Note to self:
November 17, 2010 at 1:22AM ESTWhen picking up money from stakeout make sure to ride a bike for 100% clean getaway....
Stupid is as Stupid Does Are you suggesting that a 15 year old beat up Camaro is neither "late" nor "sedan"? Who'd a thunk? And exactly where and how did he get away so fast, in this podunk town where I imagine you can see a stretch of highway that extends miles? I also love how every officer they had was on foot, and there was NOBODY in a vehicle to provide any type of support. Aces. Just aces
November 17, 2010 at 1:39AM ESTJ
November 17, 2010 at 1:04AM EST Reply to CommentAlan, was that song during the "Watch my baby with pleasant people" montage by son kill moon?
A Team
November 17, 2010 at 1:08AM EST Reply to CommentMaureen sure is in a generous and chipper mood to the Jax, Clay and Gemma given that in the last week or whatever, she'd have reason to hold them at least partly accountable for:
- her cousin cammy getting whacked
- her old man getting whacked
- her brother being given over as a hostage, presumably to be whacked
- half her MC blown up and killed so that the car bomb didn't have to kill any of SAMCRO.
I missed the part of her backstory where she'd had a lobotomy. Is that in the iphone app?
Whacked Lobotomy hahahah....
November 17, 2010 at 1:24AM ESTOnly way to rescue this stupidity would be to have that package of letters tied up with a big red bow actually be a bomb, or a mutant virus, or maybe at least a chia pet....
Kaylie I missed the part of her backstory where she'd had a lobotomy. Is that in the iphone app?
November 17, 2010 at 9:30AM ESTToo funny - apparently the meaning of life is in that darn app - wouldn't it be nice if they actually shared info with the VIEWERS?!?
Scheer_Power
November 17, 2010 at 1:11AM EST Reply to CommentSo, are there a lot of people pissed off about this show, or one very loud, angry guy changing his login name? THIS SHOW HAS TURNED INTO A MESS, TIRED OF STAHL, SHIT THESE PEOPLE ARE STUPID, NOT AS STUPID AS I NEED TO BE, GETTING STUPIDER EVERY MOMENT I WATCH SOA, UNBELIEVABLE, THIS SHOW USED TO BE GOOD.
waikiki in response, i would say this. I want this show to be good. I try to enjoy it as much as possible and don't go into it looking to nitpick anything I can. But just in this episode alone there was so much to be critical of that it seems reasonable that this many people are bashing most of the decisions being made by almost every character.
November 17, 2010 at 1:23AM ESTThe recent comments about Tara are painfully obvious things...she is a certified doctor who is being made to look like the most naive, dimwitted fool at almost every step of the way. I had to laugh when someone mentioned she is a doctor and had no idea how she could have gotten pregnant. And what exactly was she doing when she walked over to Salazar to tell him she was dead? Did she not think it through at all and wonder what would be the end result here? And how in her mind did she decide that when she had a gun and the girl was dying that the chip she should play is give up her gun and try to help save someone who was just trying to kill you?
Stahl and the other agent kissing in the police station. Are you serious? I know they wanted to make for a funny moment, but that is just dumb.
Sadly, I think things are going to get even worse next week. And by that, I mean dumber.
Tara is a DOCTOR! Hello??? Hi Waikiki....thanks for supporting my thoughts on Tara....
November 17, 2010 at 1:30AM ESTI'm just one girl, don't know the other logins.
And I'm just really disappointed that a show that used to have such great characters has made them all so stupid.
I'm also opposed to them having Tara dress like a biker tramp instead of the educated, smart lady she would have to be.
Also doctors can't just pass the boards and then hang out at the MC the rest of the time. They have to study a lot, continuously, keeping up with their field, and getting continuing ed credits, and attending hospital meetings.
It just seems that Kurt has no reality for this character at all.
mezzanine SCHEER_POWER, I think you're right about the single user creating multiple posting identities.
November 17, 2010 at 7:48AM ESTThe show has gone totally off the rails, though. Tonight was the death knell for me.
November 17, 2010 at 2:18AM EST Reply to CommentAlan, a couple things:
Yes, as was mentioned by another comment, that was the same actress playing the homeless girl in Belfast as in Charming.
As for JT's death, think back to the underrated Season 1 episode with Clay and Lowell, the club mechanic played by Keir O'Donnell. The bodies of two Mayans and Lowell's father are found buried together, and Clay and Gemma immediately worry that this discovery will somehow lead to Jax finding something out he shouldn't (something that Tig is apparently in on as well). At the end of the episode, after Clay has spared Lowell, Gemma asks him what he told Jax:
"Some of the truth."
"And Lowell?"
"A little more."
So while none of that points conclusively to their having a hand in John's death, it's a major hint at significant, conspiratorial backstory that's still floating out there.
leo Good post. There was lots of foreshadowing in those early episodes about secrets and betrayal and that episode called Old Bones was one of the better ones for that.
November 17, 2010 at 4:42AM ESTJWIII
November 17, 2010 at 2:24AM EST Reply to CommentI liked the mall scene with the music. I liked they filmed actual moving cars. It's nice to see him work the environment.
The episode was better than most of the season but it still has many eye rollers.
Also, it will be a shame if John Teller wasn't murdered or his bike sabotaged by Gemma or Clay.
Despite the flawed story lines this season the acting has been phenomenal.
Ambivalentman
November 17, 2010 at 2:24AM EST Reply to CommentWhen I was a teenager, I used to try to write novels. I had ideas for big, exciting moments (fights, murders, sex scenes, explosions) and rushed through all the important build-up so I could work on them. I feel like Sutter and co. have done exactly the same this year. They outlined every big, major moment and rushed through all the important (albeit less exciting) stuff needed to make those major moments shine. It has been sloppy, all style and little substance.
Rusty
November 17, 2010 at 2:26AM EST Reply to CommentThe Tara scene where she doesn't kill Salazaar was ridiculous. I don't think the writers have a clear vision of where they want the show to go. I always thought it was a mistake to reveal Tig killed Opie's wife in season 1 on Clays order. That mistake ruined the show for me(although I still watch). There is no way Opie, Piney, and Jax could still be brothers with Tig and Clay after that, yet that has been swept under the rug for almost 2 seasons now.
leo I completely agree - why didn't Piney and Opie do something when they found out who killed Donna? Because they're passive forgiving mellow guys? So Jax faces getting killed for betraying the Club when he makes a deal to benefit Gemma and the Sons, but killing a member's wife gets a pass? Even a temporary one? Ugh. I get the fact that betrayal equals death but it needs to be consistent and not just used to propel the plot.
November 17, 2010 at 3:59AM ESTSonja
November 17, 2010 at 3:06AM EST Reply to CommentThis was the best episode of the season by FAR for me and I don't know if that's saying much. As John Teller wrote Mo, "I feel nothing."
Charlie's acting was amazing - in fact, the actor's should get bonuses for pulling off some of the drivel they had to deal with this season.
Random thoughts:
*I almost expected Jax to say "Tara who?" when Gemma told him she was pregnant.
*Is it me or does there still appear to be some sexual tension between Jax and Trinity?
*The Tara kidnapping arc has been one eye roll after another. We get it, writers, Tara has to stay "kidnapped" until Jax comes home & "saves" her. Cue the miscarriage in two, three, four...
*I've seen posters comment over the last couple of episodes that Abel's "adoption" doesn't necessarily guarantee a safe life. Jimmy & the IRA know he's out there and he would still be a target. Maybe Jax should start reading some of these posts since he doesn't have a clue.
*Speaking of clues, Kurt and the writers over the last two seasons has shredded any credibility of the SOA. I know, I know, Kurt, you're taking them "out of their comfort zone," but you're only succeeding in making them look dumber and dumber. Stick them back in their comfort zone, pronto.
*As far as Tara, she should move to Ireland. With all the violence and bloodshed that goes on there, the women may have drinking problems, but at least they're not being attacked every five minutes. Seriously, ambushes and gun attacks, these ladies suffer nary a scratch. Think about it, Doc.
*I've seen a few posters comment over the season how Gemma is being written (nepotism, anyone?). While I love Katey and Gemma, I am starting to see a point there. I thought it was a little outrageous how Gemma "saved" the guys during the Belfast arrival ambush. She seems to be taking on a leadership role with the guys too (i.e. when she barked at Opie "stay with him" meaning Jax last episode). Tonight was a bit much in the orphanage too...it looked like the guys were just going to walk out when the nun said she had no information on Abel. Here comes Gemma, once again, riding to the rescue (and the MC with egg on their face, AGAIN)...
*I loved the scene with Jimmy, Father Ashby, and Jax. Jimmy showed some humanity as well - with all the killing he's been doing, he kept his word and gave back Abel unharmed. I loved when he told Jax he wanted to give Abel back right away...
Hopefully, next week the Tara kidnapping will be resolved (please, no more kidnappings for awhile, I beg of you). I am going to see this season through and hope it gets back on track next season.
mezzanine The nepotism involving Katie Segal and Stahl has become more transparent as the writing of the show has deteriorated. The good actors have done an admirable job of dressing up the horrific writing, but the poor acting ability of the two women has become more glaring as they're unable to do the same.
November 17, 2010 at 7:54AM ESTThe writing has killed any margin of error they may have enjoyed in previous seasons.
Carter
November 17, 2010 at 3:48AM EST Reply to CommentWell in this space last week I guessed that Chucky might use his counterfeiting expertise to make $250K, but it's obviously not about the money anymore for Salazar.
I think Stahl's treachery blows up in her face when her partner gets wind of what she's doing. Stahl takes the fall thus Gemma walks, while at worst the boys do a short bid on last season's weapons charges.
In the above scenario Jimmy O'Fallon's capture becomes much less pivotal. However, if the Priest isn't killed by Jimmy I could possibly see Father Kellan giving himself over to the Feds by his own volition out of guilt over his past sins.
Are we to assume that Chibbs' wife and daughter will be on Oswald's plane? Also too bad that's apparently the last of Cherry - I've found the actress playing her to be trashy-hot since "8-Mile"
November 17, 2010 at 4:32AM EST Reply to CommentI have thought since the first season that Clay was instrumental in John Teller's death.
leo
November 17, 2010 at 4:37AM EST Reply to CommentI hope next week's episode shows Jax waking up in his bed in Charming and realizing that season 3 was all just a bad dream. Now let's go back to where we left off and take care of some of the trouble in River City, I mean Charming.
There were interesting things that happened this year but it's all felt like such a slog getting to this point and I'll take a pass on these season 3 DVDs thankyouverymuch.
Damning by faint praise again, but I did think this was the best episode so far this season. I also liked when Jimmy told Jax that he wanted to give the kid back right away. Characterization has been so two-dimensional of late and it's nice to see shades of gray instead of villainous black or saintly white. (Funny line calling the adoptive couple the Petries.)
Loved the character of Maureen. She was the highlight of this season for me, and I'm now a big fan.
Biggest plus - the Abel storyline is resolved. Hallelujah.
In criticism - also don't understand how taking the priest guaranteed Jimmy's safety, or why there is no IRA swat team that could've taken Jimmy and his henchman out right there.
Agree with everyone about the Salazar/Tara scenes. I may have really detached my retina this time from all the eye-rolling. I also thought I heard some Looney Toon music in the background during the chase of the bicycle bandits. Had to laugh when Stahl made some comment about them all being idiots.
Btw, I kind of liked the scene with Gemma and the nun and pointing the gun at that baby, because that's who Gemma is. Doubt she would've pulled the trigger on that baby but she put enough doubt in that nun's mind to make the plan work.
Mel Hey Leo, The best moment of the ep for me was Opie and Jax in the hotel room. Charlie and Ryan do a great job of portraying Jax and Opie's friendship. There was a lot of heart in that scene and unfortuanatly, no where else.
November 17, 2010 at 6:10PM ESTAgreed, many hallelujahs that this aweful season is almost done.
Tara is a DOCTOR! Hello??? Leo, that's a great idea about S3 all being a dream. Ha!
November 17, 2010 at 8:00PM ESTAgree with Mel that Opie and Jax work magic together.
Guess Kurt is laughing all the way to the bank since S2 DVD is the best-selling box set in the US at the moment.
Jiggy If you liked the character who played Maureen, you should go back and watch Deadwood. She was fantastic on that, along with Tim Olyphant (from Justified, also on FX)
November 18, 2010 at 12:32PM ESTmaryploppins
November 17, 2010 at 4:42AM EST Reply to CommentThe "Kidnapped Tara" storyline and the show in general has been annoying me a lot this season, but I actually didn't find Tara's actions in tonight's ep to be all THAT ridiculous. I mean yes they were somewhat ridiculous, but the character has clearly shown a history of making that same decision in previous similar circumstances. She is constantly being too nice/trusting with people, the same way she was with Gemma's dad's caretaker in the basement towards the beginning of the season. Then she got smacked over the head in return. So while I DO think it was fairly contrived, it's at least not out of character for Tara. Though I guess it does mean that she never learns her lessons. ;-)
Anyway I thought this ep was pretty o.k., though I am definitely feeling generally frustrated that we only have two eps left of the season, and I have spent almost the entire season feeling frustrated about this ssllllooww-moving Abel storyline and ALL the contrivances to get us to where we are now.
Also, I have to say that I kind of hate the Irish version of the theme song. It just sounds weird and wrong and doesn't flow well. Am I the only one? I'm glad it'll be gone next week (hopefully).
Oh and, "The homeless woman the Petries gave food to wasn't the phantom/Shakespearean girl from season one in Charming, was she?" - YES!! I noticed the same thing!! Glad it wasn't just me.
Dave P Good lord! I totally forgot the caretaker murder. Is there any female character on this show that hasn't been bound, gagged, and brutalized at this point? And for all the AK-47 shootouts the boys have with the Mayans/Aryans, none of them get seriously hurt. But there is a trail of dead female bodies piling up high and beginning to stink.
November 17, 2010 at 11:17AM ESTSo just what, two weeks ago in the show's timeline, Tara had the upper hand on a adversary, then got to close and got hit and almost killed. Her actions led to Gemma killing the caretaker in front of her. And now just two weeks later, she's in a similar situation and decides to go the victim route again? Hopefully the kidnap card was played out in S3 and they will leave it in the deck for S4 and S5
leo I also didn't understand what happened to the gun that Tara had. I know she gave it to Margaret to hold on Salazar while she worked on his psycho girlfriend but then what happened? Next scene with Tara she's in the car, psycho girlfriend is dead, and Tara has no gun and is alone with Salazar? Sometimes the editing and logic gaps in this show make my head hurt.
November 17, 2010 at 12:31PM ESTBea
November 17, 2010 at 4:47AM EST Reply to CommentThe mall scene made me cringe so much. Could you have made that halo any shinier on the Petries?
There are still parts of the show that I really like, but stuff like that makes it really hard to take the show seriously. Its just a little sad to see a show that handled such difficult storylines last season with subtlety and nuance, go for the sledgehammer again and again.
mezzanine For me that scene marked the death knell of the show. What should have been the most dramatic scene of the season was poorly executed even on a basic technical level.
November 17, 2010 at 8:01AM ESTHard to imagine an editor sitting in front of a screen and saying to himself, "yeah, this carries the gravitas and power that ties together the season." It had the feel of something that was cut and pasted under a time restriction.
lovepotionnmbr_9
November 17, 2010 at 4:59AM EST Reply to CommentIs anyone else like completely tired of hearing about Jax and his stupid life already? That's really been the biggest problem in this season, it's all Jax, Jax and more Jax, with a few gratuitous moments of Tara ridiculousness. I'm glad to see that perhaps Jax is having a change of mind/heart...for now, because that at least makes all the Jax crap seem to have some purpose, but really, I'm so tired of hearing Jax piss and moan and shout this season. There are other actors who lend so much to this show, and they've been needlessly isolated and underused this season! Kim Coates and Ryan Hurst are sorely missed!
Here's hoping that Season 4 gives us back "Sons of Anarchy" and stops with all this "As The World Turns" crap...please!
Bo
November 17, 2010 at 7:38AM EST Reply to CommentThey just won't give us a tough situation and stick with the consequences of it this year. Gemma going to jail, Jax leaving Abel, Tara's decision on whether to have the abortion or not, every one of these potentially powerful choices have been copped out of through contrived situations.
I'm interested in how this season sets up the future of the series, but I'm doing hoping for a satisfying ending to this season. And Alan, you KNOW even if Jax is currently saying he is done listening to dead men, that will change. Ir's the whole point of the show, Jax's conflict with the club. it may not be next season, but it will happen.
Show has turned into crap Agree, Bo. S1 ended with Jax saying there were going to be changes because of his listening to his dead father.
November 17, 2010 at 8:10PM ESTTHEN nothing changed.
Now he says he's done listening to dead men.
Guessing that means nothing will change either.
The best episode still for me was Patchover in S1 where there's the shootout and Jax finds his Dad's anarchy thoughts written in the desert.
How this show has fallen from S1. So disappointing.
mezzanine
November 17, 2010 at 8:13AM EST Reply to CommentIn every episode I like to highlight a few of the especially egregious moments, and over the course of the season I've found that they typically star Gemma.
Tonight, I would say her snatching of the other infant and subsequent threats take the first prize.
Jax's penultimate scene where he follows around the couple holding his son is a close second.
But the scene that I found most humorous of all was probably the narration of JD's letter to Maureen. The superficial quality to the tone and inflections of the voice as it attempted to impart a sense of urgency or feeling to the message was so facile as to be nauseating.
I feel bad for the real actors on the show.
leo I forgot about that narration and it cracked me up which is not a good thing. It was a cross between The Wonder Years guy and Stuart Smally from Saturday Night Live.
November 17, 2010 at 12:21PM ESTmezzanine Great call, Leo. Perfect.
November 17, 2010 at 4:36PM ESTchuckie
November 17, 2010 at 8:27AM EST Reply to CommentI suppose it makes me bourgeois and anti-intellectual somehow but I really, really hated Gemma holding a gun on the infant. I know we like to explore dark sides these days, as do I, but crossed a line for me. I have little respect for Sutter and the writers after the first whatever episodes of this season, but I've lost a tremendous amount for Katy Sagal for agreeing to do that scene.
beaker Agreed. The baby was obviously traumatized/upset by it and it just went over the top...toooooo far. Really uncomfortable and honestly I didn't believe she would do that to a baby. A nun perhaps, but a baby? Nah, not even Gemma.
November 17, 2010 at 1:58PM EST
Thank You! That was just disturbing. I know it's a dramatic television show, but do we really need to put a fake gun to an infant's head? Cameron holding Abel at fake-knife point was bad enough, but at least his actions were motivated by grief/temporary insanity.
November 17, 2010 at 4:03PM ESTAfter that scene I'm basically rooting for Gemma to get put into prison and die a slow, lonely death. Maybe Sutter and crew would tell me, "I just don't get it." I'd have to agree. I just don't "get" using actual children as live grenades to cover up lazy writing.
Show has turned into crap Agree with Clay, Beaker and Chuckie. Felt like a cheap shot.
November 17, 2010 at 8:15PM ESTAt least if she'd drawn the gun on the nun it would have been an adult actor who could have dealt with it being "acting."
Kurt's angling to get his wife Katey an Emmy is so transparent...ok, the rape scene didn't work, let's have her threaten a baby, that's GOT to get her a nomination.
Sheesh.
DB Cooper I personally enjoyed how Fonzie was able to hold that baby and gun while water skiing.
November 18, 2010 at 12:03AM ESTNicki1011
November 17, 2010 at 8:34AM EST Reply to CommentI thought it was a great episode and Arkin did a great job directing. The sequence in the mall was effective and you could see Jax being pulled in 100 different directions. I kept thinking, you could have that too, but you need to make some major changes. I think Sutter did a good job of bringing things full circle back to Charming and bringing back the Jax/Clay feud. I thought it was clear that Jax did not agree with the big gun agreement, but he's never been happy with running guns. It will be an interesting ride next week to see how the finale ends things and sets them up for next season.
Also, seriously, how can Tara NOT miscarry at this point? Kicked in the stomach, thrown onto a car, etc., there's no way she can keep on like that.
Stahl is such a sociopath and I love and hate her at the same time. Ally Walker is fantastic!
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