'Rubicon' - 'You Can Never Win': Meet me at Bethesda Fountain
The conspiracy story reaches an unsatisfying conclusion, even if the show around it is great
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"This job... it's all about not taking care of yourself." -Will
When this first, and possibly only, season of "Rubicon" began, there were two things I was uncertain about: the glacial pace, and whether the conspiracy storyline would have a satisfactory conclusion, especially since the man who created it wouldn't be around to finish it.
Three months later, I've got no problems whatsoever with the pace. Taking the plot out of the equation for a moment, the tone, look and characterization made "Rubicon" one of my favorite shows of this year, and that slow burn has contributed to that. The American Policy Institute is not a place for the impatient, whether you're working there or watching it on your TV.
But as for how Henry Bromell (both writing and directing) brought resolution to the story begun a very long time ago by Jason Horwitch? I have to say, I was quite disappointed.
Even factoring in Spangler's insistence to Will that the conspiracy is much bigger and more complicated than he can imagine, I have to assume that the basic shape is as he explained it to Mrs. Rhumor a couple of weeks ago: Spangler and the rest of the Fishers Island bunch(*) used the intelligence gathered by API to both predict and, at times, manipulate world events so that they would profit. In this case, the Galveston Bay attack wasn't about slowing the supply of oil to America, but providing an excuse for an invasion of Iran where there would be many lucrative opportunities for companies like Atlas-McDowell. In other words, it's one of the many conspiracy theory versions of 9/11.
(*) Here seen meeting in a vast, dark, spotlight-adorned room that couldn't have been more '70s if it had a disco ball.
So the show didn't cheat on that score. It told us who the bad guys were and what they were doing. It's what it did with those pieces in the finale where I felt let down(**).
(**) And before we get to those pieces, I should say that I'm viewing all of this as if "You Can Never Win" was the last episode of the show ever, and that therefore there won't be a chance to address some of these issues later. But even if the show gets renewed, I don't think the promise of later explanation was enough to justify some of my frustration here.
First, the amount of time we spent with Katherine Rhumor turns out to be completely pointless. She dies before she can give Will the DVD (he's too freaked out to even notice she has it in her hand before he runs off), and she doesn't even watch it all the way through so we can learn if there was anything new that David had to offer. (I did, though, appreciate how David and Tom Rhumor came back from the dead in this way to bring things full circle from the pilot.) She provided Will a couple of key puzzle pieces earlier, but overall the show never justified the amount of time spent on the character, or the presence of an actress as strong as Miranda Richardson.
Second, I was disappointed to see Kale so inconsequential in the finale. Bromell explained it as Kale taking the soldier's view of this battle and living to fight another day. I can respect that, but Kale was too vital and important a character to be relegated to the sidelines here.
Third, I wasn't happy to see Andy revealed to be some kind of player in this, particularly since her exact role was never really explained before she slipped off into the darkness. As I've said before, it seemed too implausible, too "24," that a spy of some sort would be placed in an apartment across the street from Will. If her job was to get close to Will, that's banking on pretty long odds that he would ever come over to say hi. And if her job was just to be there as a safe haven for Katherine (though I don't think it was, based on her comments when Mrs. Rhumor showed up), why place her across the street from a key man at API? I liked the idea of Andy much better when she was just an ordinary woman randomly caught up in the maelstrom of Will's work life. That played to the strengths of the show - the characterization and the portrait of intelligence work as a soul-crushing endeavor - where this plays to the show's weaker aspects.
Fourth, like Truxton Spangler, I was expecting more brains from Will than he ever displayed. That's the challenge of doing a show where your hero is defined by an extraordinary talent that he'll then have to display for viewers to buy into or not. "Studio 60" failed in part because we were told the heroes were comic masterminds and yet their sketches were incredibly lame. Will was introduced to us as an utter genius, yet I never felt like there were many "eureka!" moments from him as the season moved along. Even the scene last week where he figured out Kateb was tied to Atlas-McDowell was a day late and a dollar short, because a lot of viewers at home had figured it out several episodes earlier. Will spent much of the season stumbling along, getting rightfully chewed out by Kale for doing stupid things. And in the finale most of the discovery moments come courtesy of API's computer specialist, which seems to fly in the face of what the show, and this company, has been about. Obviously, much of the data that Will and Miles and the rest have to analyze come from computers, but my heart sank when I realized that the big climax of Will's search was going to come as he and Miles watched Hal do a series of database searches. An analog show shouldn't lean so heavily on the digital in the end.
And yet even with my disappointment at how the plot played out, the parts of "Rubicon" that always worked continued to do so in the finale. As always, the best material was about the toll this job takes on the people at API, up to and including Truxton Spangler himself. They're all broken in different ways - Spangler's break just manifested itself as an overdeveloped ego that ultimately led the shadow cabinet to send him one of those fatal four-leaf clovers.
That clover's arrival was a nice example of how Bromell managed to give us a final scene that felt both ambiguous and yet very much an ending. We don't know how Truxton's going to die - by his own hand or Mr. Roy's - but he and we know it's coming. We don't know if anyone in the government will actually care about Will's findings, especially if Spangler's dead, but he's going to put it out there. If the show comes back, there's more story, but if not, there's a conclusion.
And that conclusion extended to the little arcs for the other characters. Grant got his promotion, Miles and Julia remained together (even if he's twitchier than usual after Will ropes him into the conspiracy), and Tanya wisely realized the time was right to cash out. (And the timing of her announcement, right after Grant's promotion goes through but ultimately unrelated to it, was a very funny moment in a fairly dark episode.)
I grew to really enjoy "Rubicon," and I'm going to miss these people and this world if it doesn't come back. But the finale mainly showed how hard it is to pull this kind of season-long thriller plot, and why Bromell has wisely said that if there were to be a second season, he'd spend more time on stories of life at API. That's what the heart of the show is, not in crossword puzzles and four-leaf clovers.
What did everybody else think?
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October 17, 2010 at 10:03PM EST Reply to CommentSo man thoughts going through my head right now. I need time to sort them.
And I need to have a good cry, because I'm going to miss Rubicon. So, so much.
Steve
October 17, 2010 at 10:13PM EST Reply to Commentyeah i just watched the finale i guess i was expecting a little bit more but it did wrap up well. definitely seemed more like a conclusion than an ongoing story. this was a really well-written article thanks for taking the time to pull everything together!
Thomas
October 17, 2010 at 10:19PM EST Reply to CommentThis episode kinda sucked, but not as much as The Wire season 4 finale.
Sareeta
October 17, 2010 at 10:24PM EST Reply to CommentAlan, I agree with your review.
I was very disappointed with Kathryn's arc. Why didn't she finish watching the DVD? I also don't understand why Will didn't take the DVD and watch it. Is this the last we see of Meet Me in St. Louis or could it pop up again later in the series? It seems David had some very important information to share with Will and it's unfortunate that we may never find out what it is.
I was hoping there would be more emotion in the scene shared between Will and Truxton. Instead it was just a lot of dialogue. Nothing new was revealed, since we'd been aware of Truxton's angle for the last couple episodes. I was actually expecting one or both of them to end up getting thrown over the edge of the API building, yet both of them safely walked away.
I was disappointed that Andy ended up being something other than Will's neighbor. There were moments in earlier episodes where she looked genuinely shocked, like when she saw Bloom in Will's apartment while he was asleep. It seems that was to trick the viewers into thinking she was just an ordinary person and not involved in the conspiracy. It felt cheap to find out she was involved.
In some ways this felt like a series finale, in other ways a setup for what's to come if Rubicon gets a second season. I get the feeling there will be changes to the series in terms of structure and direction, and this is foreshadowed by the internal changes at API: Grant's promotion, Tanya quitting, Will confiding in Miles, Truxton challenging Will to make a case against him.
I am still hoping for a series renewal.
Jim Miranda I agree with Sareeta 100%
October 24, 2010 at 10:51PM EST
October 17, 2010 at 10:33PM EST Reply to Comment1) The fact that Katherine never got to give Will the DVD is irrelevant. Will already has the information he needs to make a case against Spangler, and Spangler has been given the Clover Treatment so his personal stake in it all is moot.
Furthermore, though I was initially upset with Katherine's decision to turn off the TV when David came on to explain things, I realized it really didn't matter to us, the viewers, because we already have enough pieces to form most of the puzzle.
I'm surprised you say the time spent with Katherine was pointless. Her story was integral to many of the developments in previous episodes. With her character, we were given a perspective on the workings of Atlas McDowell that we would never have seen had the story only followed Will. Plus, had she not investigated her husband's suicide, Will would never have broken the case and been able to tie Spangler to the murder of David and Peter Pan's Mystical Island Boys.
2) With an episode titled "You Can Never Win", I didn't expect many revelations or happy endings. Also, knowing that a second season was kept in mind when the show was being produced, I had already accepted that we wouldn't have all the answers.
And really, I think we got what was necessary, regardless of whether or not it was what we wanted.
3) I couldn't agree more about Kale's role in the finale. I know it was all about Will confronting Spangler, but we saw more of Miles than Kale. That's just wrong.
4) Again, I totally agree about Andy. That entire sequence felt like it was lifted from another, lesser show. Maybe the plot point would redeem itself in the long-term, but it seemed forced and honestly kind of ridiculous.
Those complaints aside, I thought this was a solid installment in the series and a fine finale. I said last week that it seemed Rubicon had taken a page from The Wire and placed all the gunfire in the penultimate episode, and this episode would likely see us watching the dust settle. Which it did, mostly, though Katherine's death was a fairly big moment even if my emotional reaction from the scene came from the sense of hopelessness and dread for Will instead of pity and sadness for Katherine.
And so, with that, I bid farewell to Rubicon (I'm not getting my hopes up) and the Sunday-night excitement and brain-thinking that it allowed me to partake in.
Angela Jason your tastes in what satisfies you lies closely to mine. And as Tina said we could always use more Kale. If I knew another season existed, I would be happy with the amount of time he got.
October 17, 2010 at 11:10PM ESTBesides, I've really grown to like Miles.
SlowFame I agree with you on many of your points. The DVD was more for her and closure and with David I think it leaves more for the imagination. It could have just been words of encouragement or something he already found out on his own. So was Truxton acting on his own when he had Katherine killed or was that part of the Atlas crews plan?
October 18, 2010 at 2:15PM ESTTina
October 17, 2010 at 10:37PM EST Reply to CommentYes, lots of unresolved things, but actually more than I feared we'd get.
Katherine watching the DVD was a lovely scene. Not only was it great to see Harris Yulin and Peter Gerety again as they popped into the scene, Miranda Richardson played so much without needing dialogue. I agree that she was underused, but what she did do was wonderful.
We could have used more Kale, but we could always use more Kale. And a little more Mr. Roy.
That dark spot-lit room was totally Parallax View.
conrad
October 17, 2010 at 10:44PM EST Reply to Commentso disappointed in this finale. i don't know what to think at this point.
my only hope is that there were so many loose ends to this finale that it points to a season 2.
October 17, 2010 at 10:46PM EST Reply to CommentHere's hoping that Season 2 reveals that the dark-haired woman who Katherine met was actually Andy's identical twin sister.
Sue
October 17, 2010 at 10:50PM EST Reply to CommentThe safe house that Katherine found Andy was not her apartment across from Will.
I wish Andy had just been a neighbor.
I thought less Kale was appropriate in this episode because- as you said- he is a soldier who didn't ask questions (as Spangler told him) and he is laying low to be able to continue.
The battle was between Truxton and Will and it had to center on them.
There are enough questions to launch a second season. These characters are too wonderful to lose.
cgeye
October 17, 2010 at 10:52PM EST Reply to CommentThis finale? Convinced me they shouldn't be trusted with a second season, if they frak up the first this badly.
I was able to deal with Truxton's stalling, to ramp up support for a new war (which golly, shouldn't be hard, since we've yearned for one with Iran since the Hostage crisis), even the lack of further assassination attempts on Will, as he was spreading the poison of his knowledge among his co-workers. (Miles, it was good knowing you.)
Before what happened with Katherine, I thought the most elegant solution was simply to fire Will -- even Truxton pointed out he ducked out during the most crucial meetings, and he allowed Grant to warn his wife during a time when all phone calls would be under scrutiny. Heck, why not have the FBI frogmarch him out, for the sin of having files outside the office, alone? Considering what happened to Sibel Edmonds, his accusations would be so much noise in the attack's chaos, and after the documented leaks he's caused even after the FBI investigation, he's the one who should be fearing for his reputation, then his life.
But then, we get him and Truxton -- both marked for death by the men we've been told really are the dangerous ones -- on a rooftop below other tall buildings -- and you can't tell me a sniper with Iranian markings couldn't take them out?
No, really -- these men rule America and our foreign policy? Really?
And what of Katherine? I turned the sound down because from her entry into that space, it was clear it was a slaughterhouse. For a woman who was so afraid she held a knife in her hand when Will stopped by, until she was sure no one was behind him, she got all ready to die to trust a woman she never met, to take her to a meeting.
With the waste of Katherine Rhumor, the IQ points of the show dropped 50 percent, and went downhill from there. I no longer care if any of them survive, because they're too compromised or dense to even become the heroes of their own lives.
If RUBICON's handlers had the balls and the courage of their convictions, they would have killed Will, and shown that for AFI, Life Goes On. If this is the level of compromise they had to make in order to make a second season possible, then it was in vain.
cgeye
October 17, 2010 at 10:54PM EST Reply to Comment... and why is HitFix flipping me out of this post after I save a comment? I'd like to read the rest of a post, as I could before.
dan cgeye - We're working on it. Hopefully it'll be fixed soon...
October 17, 2010 at 10:59PM EST-Daniel
Angela Glad to know it's being worked on as I am having the same problem.
October 17, 2010 at 11:15PM ESTcdoyle23 This finale was much less disappointing than HitFix as a website.
October 17, 2010 at 11:57PM ESTrhys1882
October 17, 2010 at 10:57PM EST Reply to CommentThe apartment Katherine Rhumor went where she met Andy was not the apartment across from Will. It was far nicer then the apartment she was in across from Will. The implication to me was that Tom Rhumor and David Haddas were working together and both hired Andy to keep eyes on the people they cared about who may be in danger from Spanger - Katherine and Will. So Andy specifically set up shop across from Will to keep eyes on his apartment. I don't think she was necessarily supposed to start sleeping with him - but she took the opportunity to get closer to him when it presented.
Angela Interesting thought, it hadn't occurred to me. I didn't notice it being a different apartment but I could have missed that easily enough.
October 17, 2010 at 11:18PM ESTJp123 Agree
October 17, 2010 at 11:28PM ESTMelissa You're probably right. Great theory.
October 18, 2010 at 12:10AM ESTChrissy I'm not sure this makes sense, as it requires Andy to keep two apartments, and happen to be at the right one at the right time (remember, she didn't know Katherine was coming, and there was no signal to her). Considering she's always been at home whenever Will (or Maggie) has knocked, the idea that she would just happen to be at the other apartment when Katherine needs her seems too coincidental. Perhaps there are other shifts in the Mott St. apartment, staffed by other Andy-types, but, again, quite a coincidence that Katherine shows up when she does.
October 18, 2010 at 9:48AM ESTI actually thought at the end that perhaps Andy was not on the side of good, and that she was there to give Katherine a false sense of security so she'd go out in the open. I suppose, without a second season, we'll never know.
October 17, 2010 at 11:02PM EST Reply to CommentAs implausible as Andy just jumping right into the sack, and a relationship, with a guy she'd only seen from a distance was, I didn't want her to be part of the conspiracy either (or have whatever insider role hers was). I agree with your thoughts. It was an unsatisfying finale.
cgeye Oh, and as for Andy "being one of the people assigned to protect you" -- Andy, you're doing one heck of a job.
October 18, 2010 at 12:26AM ESTcgeye And oh, if Andy's working for someone, is that someone a dead man? How is she being paid? When she walks away, who does she report to? And why does it matter that she has a gun, when she fails to use it to secure or protect the two people she was assigned to? She walked away from Will and Katherine when one, at least, was still alive -- isn't that called desertion?
October 18, 2010 at 12:33AM ESTCol Bat Guano My guess is that she works for Kale, but with instructions not to get too involved.
October 19, 2010 at 9:10AM EST
October 17, 2010 at 11:17PM EST Reply to CommentThe biggest issue I had was one you touched on--the entire Katherine Rhumor storyline was utterly pointless. If you cut out every scene she's in, the story is still intact. Other than getting Will out of API and gallivanting around NYC she served no purpose, and having Will IN API was always far more interesting (see Ingram, Kale).
The glacial pace of the show didn't bother me, except that I feared the pacing wasn't so much an aesthetic decision as a realization that there wasn't enough story to tell. The finale seems to prove that point.
The thing with Andy was just awful. Of course on a show like this you're suspicious that any character could be more than he/she seems, but to have her be some sort of agent who Will just happens to blunder into is just awful. And then, if she was there to protect Katherine, why the hell did she pretty much let her get murdered without lifting a finger? And when she walks away she doesn't seem all that concerned/upset/whatever.
"Rubicon" had a lot to recommend itself, but with all the problems with pacing and plotting, I don't know that I'll return for a second season if there is one.
Eightiesologist As someone mentioned, you needed Katherine there to dig into the details of Atlas-McDowall. This isn't a show that cut to random scenes...it told the story as observed by its characters. So you needed a character to navigate that part of the mystery, something that nobody at API could do.
October 17, 2010 at 11:43PM ESTAngela "....but with all the problems with pacing and plotting,"
October 18, 2010 at 11:15AM ESTTo me those weren't problems. I absolutely loved the pacing. I find it restful as I did on Mad Men for while. The show ran at the pace of that time, and it relaxed me. Though it seems Mad Men has moved away from that.
I for one would definitely watch another season.
Chris
October 17, 2010 at 11:21PM EST Reply to CommentGrant "I'm glad you're all here... I've been promoted to team leader"
Tanya "I quit!"
The bang bang dialog and the quick pan to the totally crestfallen Grant was priceless.
If this is the last I ever see of this show and all I got from Kale was two minutes of air time then someone needs to pay.
Please keep Rubicon going AMC!
cgeye If RUBICON survives, I hope they stick with Grant Test being the courageous face of American intelligence - an imperious Michael Scott whose lack of emotional intelligence makes sure the Terrorists Do Win. Did Grant really think his co-workers would cheer, since they'd see plainly that the cost of his promotion was the recommendation for war with Iran? I think that's Smithers-level toadying....
October 17, 2010 at 11:37PM ESThnic1971
October 17, 2010 at 11:31PM EST Reply to CommentI gotta say, when I saw what Isiah Whitlock, Jr. did I thought "Shiiiiiiit"
The Finale for me was good enough. I thought Kale's roof top speech really explained the episode: Intelligence is a failure business, you win some & lose a lot".
I though killing Katherine Rhumor was desperate & too late for the clover club boys, which I think represents what I think all spies know about their business.
I think Andy being hired by Tom Rhumor doesn't make it cheap. The fact that Will didn't find out made it ok for me. If she was hired by Truxton and she had the "fell in love with the mark" arc, that would have made it more 24 like and cheap for me.
Will's bumbling made it more realistic for me-showing that he was in over his head most of the time. I was surprise he went to David Blooms place. Plus the "check the alias' travel dates" was used earlier in the season when tracking Kateb, so the fact that he went back to that trick didn't surprise me.
I think the decision to bring Rubicon back is tied to how well The Walking Dead series performs.
aforkosh Referring to the first sentence, would it have been closed captioned as Sh-e-e-e-e-a-t? (note that a few episodes back, they actually spelled it correctly when it was a reference to the quality of the liquor.
October 18, 2010 at 2:18AM EST
October 17, 2010 at 11:31PM EST Reply to CommentI hung in there on Rubicon through everything, and now I feel a complete fool. Episode 13 was a multi-car freeway pileup, and made my investment of time a complete waste. I should have bailed when TVWOP did. Henry Bromell is a hack.
Angela
October 17, 2010 at 11:44PM EST Reply to CommentFor all the flaws commented on, and some I agree with, Andy being the only one that stands out big for me at this moment, I found myself really enjoying the last hour. I forgot about everything else going on in life, and not many shows can keep me from doing that.
I can't help but wonder how hard it was for Harry Bromwell to write an ending when he hasn't a clue as to whether it will be renewed or not. And he was given the show when he wasn't even the one who conceived of it. To have it handed to him, and then, oh by the way, make sure you write it so it can either be a finale for the story period, or a tie-in to next year. But perhaps this is common place and something any good writer learns to deal with? I don't know.
Anyway, I wondered why Katherine stopped watching the DVD than decided she realized she needed to get it to Will, and get the hell out of there and to the address given her.
The fact that she didn't get to give the DVD to Will bothered me, but then again, Will had everything figured out anyway. That she died was a bit anti-climatic but I thought it felt real.
I have to admit out of all the characters, Katherine's was the one I grew tired of. I always looked forward to seeing any of the other very much.
Again, all in all, I was very satisfied with it. I watch TV for escapism and to be entertained for the most part. And I like them to sometimes give me something to think about later. Rubicon including the finale succeeded in doing that for me.
One last thing, I couldn't jump into Mad Men right afterwards. I needed time for the finale to let me go. When I don't want to watch something else afterwards, that says a lot in my book. Because there is enough going on that gives me something to think about after I turn off the set.
Hannah Lee
October 17, 2010 at 11:51PM EST Reply to CommentCan't believe I'm going to say this, but I think next Sunday night, I'm going to miss watching Rubicon more than Mad Men.
I really enjoyed this season. After a mini-Rubicon-marathon today leading up to tonight's finale, I can say the performances and pacing really did hold together (even when the plot got a bit twisty).
I really would love this show to come back again, even in a limited run.
My only quibble is with how Katherine's storyline panned out. It seemed sort of a let down: not just that she died, but the chaos and emotional confusion of that scene. The scene featuring her death became all about Will, without letting us absorb the full impact of what was happening to Katherine on its own.
It almost seems like, if they were going to kill her off, they should have done it an episode or 2 prior, to raise the personal stakes - let the audience know that anyone could die (not just the bad guys or distant strangers).
gladly Hannah, I completely agree. Rubicon stakes were so much higher, that I just feel like I need more to make sure the characters I've grown to care about are okay.
October 18, 2010 at 9:45PM ESTI might be only person, but I miss Ed. I want to know he's all right.
No matter what happens to this show, I'm glad I got to know the characters of Kale Ingram and Truxton Spangler. They are as awesome as their names.
Thanks, Alan for championing this show through Hitfix and podcast. I hope we at least see one more season. I need to know too many things: like what's the relationship between Kale and Maggie?
Fran
October 18, 2010 at 12:21AM EST Reply to CommentHere's one I would add to your list: Why was Spangler and a co-conspirator having what should have been a very private conversation in a very public space... that ECHOES? You'd think these two never conspired before. Geez.
belinda
October 18, 2010 at 12:33AM EST Reply to CommentMaybe it's because it's a pet peeve of mine, but what bothered me most about the finale was that for some random reason Katherine Rhumor didn't use the DVD box to carry the DVD (which probably got all scratched up in her purse)! Why, Katherine, why? (Not to mention, had she carried the DVD in the box, maybe Will wouldn't have overlooked her carrying the movie they have been talking about in the last few episodes.)
Other than that, I agree that it was quite a disappointing finale in the ways that were pointed out, though I enjoyed the rest of the season enough to watch a second season if that happens.
cgeye
October 18, 2010 at 12:45AM EST Reply to CommentJust one more thing:
Why does Donald Bloom have a personal camera?
Why does a spy need a camera?
Why does a hitman use a personal camera with date/time encryption?
It's just as futile as asking why God needs a starship, ain't it?
And if the Rubes come back next year, this season's Hal will be missing. They can use the tank-town action-figure Gretas from CHUCK, to fill in....
Ed W A camera would be the most important tool in a spy's toolbelt. More than a gun. I do agree that the date/time stamp didn't seem like something bloom would use.
October 18, 2010 at 6:40AM ESTJake
October 18, 2010 at 12:57AM EST Reply to CommentI'm pretty sure Katherine stopped watching the DVD because that part wasn't meant for her. The message from her husband would have been extremely personal to her, and she would have respected the same about Hadas's. I also kind of like the fact that it never got to Will--the two of them were just normal people caught up in bigger events, it seems realistic that they would make these kinds of mistakes (e.g. they thought a public space would be enough, since that's what people always do in the movies, and so didn't think through contingencies such as: how would I get this to him even if I were poisoned).
As for the rest, I'd have preferred Andy not be involved, but it didn't really affect my enjoyment of the show. And I really can't understand what about this episode would have ruined the entire season for people. It seems to me like it gave some resolution to the story, while allowing for the bigger picture to continue into a second season. The worst thing this show could do would have a whole new conspiracy for each individual season--then it would be exactly like 24.
Dexx "And I really can't understand what about this episode would have ruined the entire season for people"
October 18, 2010 at 1:28AM ESTIt seems to me like a lot of people build up personal visions of where they want or expect a tv show or movie to go and unless it closely or exactly matches their vision, they feel like it was a waste of time, even if they enjoyed everything prior to the conclusion. It makes sense to be disappointed about things but at the same time there are so many people that like any given show that there is no way that each individual can be catered to. That's why I try to see things for how they are, and now for how I want them to be. I understand why others don't though
Angela
October 18, 2010 at 11:08AM EST@Dexx, Maybe that's why it worked for me. I never try to figure out what's going to happen next, or how I want to see it play out. I would be a terrible show-runner. :)
October 18, 2010 at 1:13AM EST Reply to CommentI guess I wasn't paying attention, or maybe I just didn't care either way, but I wasn't thinking of Will as a genius. Yeah, Spangler blew smoke up his ass, and he was really good at his job, but I saw his character just as someone who worked really hard in his less-than-perfect, human, way to get to the bottom of why his friend was killed. His friend who was the father of his dead wife. That he stumbled into the Bilderbergers wasn't his fault. He did well enough with the tools he had.
I'm with Angela -- TV lets me escape. If I wanted a show perfectly analogous to the real world I'd watch city council meetings on the community access. I didn't like a few choices, like how Andy was used, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over them.
Rubicon entertained me immensely, and in a way, or with a style, that few shows have. For me it really is unique, more like a '70s movie. I hope it comes back.
Angela If I wanted a show perfectly analogous to the real world I'd watch city council meetings on the community access.
October 18, 2010 at 11:10AM ESTThis made me laugh. :-D
dw
October 18, 2010 at 1:44AM EST Reply to CommentSo the problem is that the Katherine character didn't tie up into a neat bow like a Hollywood movie? The creator's of Rubicon used these characters to tell the story of a conspiracy and sometimes it doesn't end with a nice happy ending. Katherine's character showed Will that innocent people can get hurt from the greed and deception of others. If there's another season, her death may lead Will to work even harder or to walk away. Plus, her death showed that Atlas will still one step ahead (and couldn't Andy be working for Atlas?) Besides, it's not like there was anything new on the DVD that Will didn't know anyway.
jmartnwa
October 18, 2010 at 1:59AM EST Reply to CommentI thoroughly enjoyed Rubicon... I hope it's back, and generally I liked the finale, but was disappointed in a few specific portions.
I exclaimed out loud "Rubicon, you're better than this" when Andy's "secret" broke... that was more a plot device on the level of a Stephanie Meyer book than a smart high end drama.
Also, it's not a good thing when I can speak lines of dialogue before the on screen characters. After Spangler's convo with one of the Illuminati (yes I know, NOT the Illuminati but might as well have been), I said "So am I" along with the character who was basically giving Truxton his pre-clover kiss of death. When the flowers arrived, I already knew they were coming, or at least the clover was... a show that for the most part kept me on my toes in the end proved way too formulaic. The VERY end, I thought, was good, because it did leave some things open if we are lucky enough for a second season.
And yes, absolutely, positively, where was Kale? I at least expected Will to inform him about Katherine and to have a couple of dramatic moments. That was disappointing.
Great show... great cast... great score... wonderful style all around, finale did not live up to my expectations all the way. I didn't hate it, just hoped for more.
Now bring on Robert Kirkman's masterpiece... I'm ready to see how it translates to the big screen. I've been waiting for years to see it happen.
Hannah Lee Good question about Kale. It seems the show swapped out a strong "Will tells Kale about Katherine" scene to give us the "Maggie comforts Will" scene. I'd have rather seen Kale.
October 18, 2010 at 7:48AM ESTChrissy I'm not sure what Kale could have said except "No, really, drop this." He'd already made it clear that he was going to follow his survival instincts on this one, and not get dead over something that no one will "give a crap" about, in Spangler's words. (I don't necessarily agree, but I can see why Kale would think the investigation had veered into futility).
October 18, 2010 at 9:57AM ESTI missed Kale too, but I think perhaps the show romanticized its characters less than we did, and used them in ways that were true to their personalities - Maggie would comfort Will, Kale would stay away.
Dwayne Mendoza
October 18, 2010 at 2:18AM EST Reply to CommentAny admiration I had for the show pretty much died with this episode.
There's the 24"-style twist that made every element of the the relationship false. One could accept that an average woman would do some of the dumb stuff she did (she managed to upset the character she was assigned to watch several times). But an agent? Nope. And it made the scenes shot where she was alone-- but still acting like an average woman-- into cheats.
Here's another fun question. How did Will get into his would-be assassin's apartment to search it? Why was anything still left in the assassin's place after he was known to be dead? The all-powerful conspiracy didn't sweep it to remove everything? How convenient.
There's a simple rule in these sorts of thrillers: People who behave stupidly when they're up against an All-Powerful Conspiracy have to die. Otherwise it makes the APC look bad.
So Katherine Rhumor's death was long overdue-- she's been wandering around for several shows, constantly under surveillance, taking all sorts of foolish risks. Will Travers-- who has been held up as brilliant all through the season-- should be dead about six times over.
And then we have the only spy agency agency in the world that uses only one computer. But that one computer can get to any database needed in any a few seconds with only a few commands. Yeah, sure.
The characters were nice-- all cliches, but not too bad (I stikl wonder why Eddie Deezen wasn't playing a computer guy). And it was nice to have a show where the good guys don't foil the evil plot.
Also, the guy who set up the ridiculous storyline left after one episode. I did like a lot of what transpired in the 11 episodes between the premier and the finale.
If the showrunners promise they will not have any stupid conspiracy plots involving agency personnel, I'd cheerfully support a season 2. I just don't figure they'd be able to resist... and I'm not sure AMC will give them a chance. The first and last episode of a season are dangerous ones to blow.
berkowit28
October 18, 2010 at 2:20AM EST Reply to CommentBah. Bad. Stupid expectations of American TV series that they have to be renewed forever.
This whole story was a great mini-series. It reminded me of countless BBC mini-series, beginning with the John le Carré dramatizations. It was done with the same care and attention to detail, and spinning out a story with secrets and betrayals. It should have been planned to END, to be resolved, like a novel would. I never cared if it came back next year. The same people could have written another story. This one needed a resolution. If it never does come back, the ending is horrible.
Boo. Let down. They should go back to screenwriting school.
Jake
October 18, 2010 at 3:44AM EST Reply to CommentBetter than I expected, worse than I'd wanted. It was still more satisfying than most of the other shows I watched this week. Even with its big flaws, I very much enjoyed this season. I was a bit disappointed at how little Miranda Richardson got to do, and if this show does continue, I hope I don't feel the same way about Lauren Hodges. As much as I liked Julia, I loved the dynamic between Miles, Grant, and Tanya, and I was hoping that the show would eventually get back to just the three of them.
This episode works so well as an ending that it's a little hard for to imagine what shape the show would take in a second season. Whatever happens, I'm glad to have watched this season, and will buy the season on Blu-ray if it gets released.
Huxley
October 18, 2010 at 3:47AM EST Reply to CommentThe plot was a mess but I kept watching because I was rooting for the API 'underlings' the whole time.
Go Team E!
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