Review: 'Game of Thrones' - 'The Prince of Winterfell': Fear itself

As we get close to the finale, is the show moving quickly enough?

<p>Rose Leslie as Ygritte in &quot;Game of Thrones.&quot;</p>

Rose Leslie as Ygritte in "Game of Thrones."

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"I asked him, 'How can a man be brave if he's afraid?' That was the only time a man can be brave, he told me." -Robb

In one of the more satisfying scenes in "The Prince of Winterfell," Tyrion and Varys stand together on a high wall on the perimeter of King's Landing and discuss their shared love of the game that gives this series its title. Tyrion didn't expect to enjoy it, much less be good at it, but it's filled him with a sense of purpose he never had in his earlier days as a wandering raconteur.

Varys has learned to view the politics of Westeros as a game, but the series itself often feels structured as one, where the goal of each episode is as much about moving the pieces from place to place as it is about servicing the characters. In the show's best outings last year and this one, it managed to do both at once, but there have definitely been times in season 2 — and particularly during a late-season entry like this one — where it feels like the game has taken precedence over the people playing it.

Or maybe it's that the game is being played so slowly and carefully this year, and also that it involves so many players. By bouncing from region to region, character to character, season 2 often creates the illusion of forward movement that isn't really there. We've spent a fair amount of time with Jon Snow and Ygritte over the past three weeks, but even though the power has passed from one of them to the other over that time, it still feels like they've been wandering around that glacier for far longer than they have. We jump in on them, or on other characters, and hear them engage in variations on the same discussion, over and over. When it's a good combination of characters — say, Arya and Tywin, or Tyrion and anybody they put Tyrion with — the repetition doesn't matter, but even the good moments (of which this episode had several) can't stop me from feeling like we've spent eight hours putting everyone in position for when the next phase of the story will actually start.

And where the season's early episodes managed to balance the different sets of characters nicely, I fear Benioff and Weiss have started to lose a handle on things. Stannis, it seems, is one of the most important players in this season's game, but his appearances tend to be both brief and intermittent. (I was startled to look it up and realize he had only been absent from the last two episodes; it felt like he was off-screen nearly as long as Jaime was before last week.) The scene where Stannis reminds Davos of the horrors he endured while defending Storm's End on Robert's orders, only to have the place given to Renly, did a better job of drawing in who the would-be king is (and who his Hand-in-waiting is) than his previous appearances combined, but it's also fairly late in the game for a man who's been driving so much of the action, often from a place far off-screen.

"The Prince of Winterfell" also suffered by trying to play the identity of the charred corpses as a surprise to be sprung on the audience in the final seconds. I know some of you assumed last week that Theon had killed Bran and Rickon, but to me (as someone who hasn't read the books and has no idea how long either of the Stark boys survives) it seemed so obvious that his victims were the two orphans discussed in an earlier scene that the possibility of it being Bran and Rickon only occurred to me after discussing it with a friend who had seen it and at least considered the possibility. If you went in believing Theon's ruse, then the final scenes may have played as both a shock and a relief; if you didn't, it was yet another reason to feel impatient with the storytelling of late.

And yet, again, there were moments that, even in their repetition of earlier information, did such a good job of bringing the characters to life. Cersei's confrontation with Tyrion was fantastic, not only because the revelation that she had picked the wrong whore(*) was a surprise — both delightful (because Cersei had been caught in a bluff she didn't even know she was making) and horrifying (because Ros is being tortured for something she didn't do, and because Tyrion is person enough to feel bad about this) — in a way the Bran one was not, but because Peter Dinklage is just so superb in this role. The range of emotions he had to play as he realized the threat Cersei was making — and then what he had to mask once he saw that it was Ros, not Shae, in chains — was among the best moments he's had so far on the show. 

(*) Can someone remind me when Ros would have gotten a Lannister lion pendant from Tyrion? Back when he partook of her services in Winterfell early in season 1? Or was it during some interaction I've forgotten this season?

I also quite enjoyed, even though the development had been telegraphed for weeks and weeks, Robb finally giving into his feelings for Talisa. People on this show are forever telling stories, and at times the sheer weight of the exposition (even when it's presented as sexposition) can become overwhelming. But Talisa's story about how she went from noblewoman to nurse, like Stannis' tale of Storm's End, did an excellent job of filling in a character who's largely existed on the periphery to this point, and also of giving us a better sense of the larger universe that exists outside this clash of kings.

And Robb and Talisa's earlier conversation about Ned helped set up this week's theme of fear dictating one's actions. Yara fears for her brother, but isn't afraid of him, while Theon seems on a suicidal course to hold Winterfell at all costs out of fear of seeming weak to his father and the other Iron Islanders. Tywin thinks that Robb is too young to know fear, where Robb tells Talisa what Ned taught him about being afraid. Catelyn makes the very foolish decision to let Jaime go because she's afraid she could lose all but one of her children. Jorah is afraid of staying in Qarth, but yields to Dany's obsession with reclaiming her dragons. And though Jaqen doesn't exactly fear death, he doesn't seem to look forward to it, either, and becomes trapped by Arya's cleverness into helping her, Gendry and their heavyset friend walk right out of the gates of Harrenhal.

Two episodes to go this season. The ninth and tenth episodes of season 1 are where the series really seemed to take the leap from good to great. It's entirely possible that the events coming up in the next two weeks — and the ways that Benioff and Weiss have chosen to depict them — will make much of this piece-moving seem worth it, in the same way that certain "slow" episodes of "The Wire" would always prove to be essential in hindsight.

Some other thoughts:

* "Midnight Run" is my favorite movie, and the thought of any sequel or remake has been a sacrilege up until now, when I watched this episode and thought that I would absolutely watch a buddy road movie about Brienne of Tarth (in the DeNiro role) and Jaime Lannister (in the Grodin role) traveling cross-country, getting on each other's nerves, and slowly developing a grudging respect for each other, until Brienne lets Jaime go rather than turn him into Robb's forces. "See ya in the next life, Brienne," Jaime would say, and there would be moist eyeballs in the Sepinwall household. For that matter, just make it a between-seasons spin-off, people. Come on. I want to see the Jaime Lannister version of the Litmus Configuration. In the meantime, if anyone wants to start the relevant Tumblr mash-up, be my guest.

* Love that even Tyrion can't pronounce all of George R.R. Martin's ridiculous names properly. (And of course Varys can.)

* Wondering what kind of message those obsidian spearheads are meant to convey to Sam and the other Night's Watchmen who found them. Also, I take it that Halfhand's plan is to get Jon to kill him so he can more convincingly go undercover inside Mance Rayder's army.

* Another good acting moment: Iain Glen as Jorah telling Dany that he won't forget the image of her emerging unharmed from the fire "until I have forgotten my mother's face," and then being overcome with emotion when she touches his face to get him to take her to Warlock Dean Pelton's fortress.

* Due to the Memorial Day holiday next week, my guess is that my review of episode 9 will not be done until Monday night at the earliest, and more likely sometime on Tuesday. Sorry, but my life and the availability of screeners do not always perfectly coincide.

Finally, we're going to keep the book/spoiler issue as simple as possible. We are here to discuss "Game of Thrones" AS A TV SHOW, NOT AS AN ENDLESS SERIES OF COMPARISONS TO THE BOOKS. Therefore, here's the only rule you should remember: if your comment contains the phrase "the books" without it being immediately preceded by "I haven't read," then you should probably delete what you've written and start over. Anything even vaguely questionable will be deleted, and if you see something that I haven't already removed, please feel free to email me. As usual, I've set up a message board discussion thread where you can do as much TV vs. books discussion as you want. In these comments, everything book-related that has yet to come up on the TV show (plot, characters we haven't met, motivation, etc.) is verboten.

What did everybody else think?

Alan Sepinwall may be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com

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  • Annie8bit_talkback_profile

    Stormshadow4life

    Loved it! Just getting so excited for the finale though!
    Strange, but I never really cared about Robb until this episode

    May 20, 2012 at 10:18PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Viginti

    TheY've really left themselves a lot to do in two episodes, I think actually having something happen this week might have helped ease the seasons pacing. Oh well, bring on Blackwater, whatever that is.

    My full thoughts: http://wp.me/p1BvFB-qw

    May 20, 2012 at 10:20PM EST Reply to Comment
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    chakrabs

    It was Bronn who got the name right, not Varys.

    May 20, 2012 at 10:22PM EST Reply to Comment
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      LJA It was a pleasant surprise to me that Bronn was literate.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:28PM EST
    • Midnight_run_mca255950_talkback_profile

      sepinwall Yes, Bronn got it right, but the point is that Varys knows all of the pronunciations, so Tyrion and Bronn could both accept his ruling as the correct one.

      May 21, 2012 at 12:11AM EST
    • Machoman_talkback_profile

      bbq_hax0r Oh I thought that scene was funny b/c it seemed like Bronn was trying to get one over on Tyrion, and it wasn't until Varys revealed the correct pronunciation that Tyrion knew Bronn was fooling him.

      May 21, 2012 at 12:34PM EST
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      joel I love Bronn. He doesn't get much to do this season, but virtually every line they give him is great and Jerome Flynn does a fine job of delivering them. I loved his common sense explanation why the golden cape is so silly, as well as his straight-forward reasoning for wiping out the known thieves.

      May 21, 2012 at 2:51PM EST
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      bernieSandrews Funny, I thought it was that Bronn had at least heard of, if not read, the author on warfare while Tyrion had not. This would accentuate the sense that Tyrion is panicked and trying to cram for a war that can not be crammed for.

      May 21, 2012 at 2:58PM EST
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      Hwat @chakrabs How do you know Bronn got it right?

      May 21, 2012 at 6:03PM EST
  • Emo7_talkback_profile

    Greg Grant

    Alan, I could be wrong, but I thought those Dragon's Glass weapons were meant to be some sort of anti-Walker/zombie special thing due to all the hoopla about them being found in a golden cloak and with runes around them. Also, just how many weapons were there was a clue. Once again, people, no, I did not read the books. So totally guessing.

    After a great ten minutes of intense conflicts and strong personalities at the start, we got the romantic walk in the woods. *groan* At least Not-Anakin/Robb did not tell Not-Padme that her hand is smooth and not like the sand. See, Robb is different. He's sensitive, but decisive. He also has a complex relationship with his mum. Lady viewers, please take note; your fandom was serviced, but will be needed again. Good thing it was over quick and we got Jamie-Brienne quickly afterwards to distract from the bullsht. Bad thing, Florence Nightingale of Westeros came back to give us a pointless scene of a backstory that was way, way worse from than sexposition in terms of gratiousness. Then again, that is just me. I am sure many lap up personal-tragedy as exposition with a spoon.

    Bronn is awesome as the clear cut voice of reason and practicality to compliment Tyrion's attempted clarity. Tyrion thinks he understand how people move and think, but he only really understands people of his world of nobility, small folk are utterly foreign to him. Oh, he might know whores and thieves, but he does not really understand them - he's not off their world, he's just passing through.

    Cersei/Tyrion went from general aimless discussion to jugular grasp and then... Cersei, you are not your father. You're not your father at all. And your idiot sadistic dipshit son has a lot more in common with you than you think.

    Looks like all the times they held back on the budget for big fight scenes was used to splurge on the King's Landing Battle, which - despite cost effective filming in the dark from the previews - does look pretty good and semi-epic..

    JP - nudity warning brought the promise, but no delivery. Unless I missed something.

    BBQ & Jeremy - for first 50 minutes we had no Dany, no Qath, no Tasha Yar, and no vaccine! And I was totally fine with it. Also, the Mother of Dragons gimmick... um, does Dany literally thinks she gave birth to them, or does she think the combination of fire-process and the witch's magic made her unable to bare children? Or, does she think that is now like a sort of Virgin Queen, and must rule alone with no man as her equal? Or, a combination of all three? And in the immortal words of the Sklar Brothers on Cheap Seats "Do You Care?"

    Someone else I am sure pointed this out before, but the Fire and Ice podcast discussion on blocks of TV made me think about it: Game of Thrones into Veep into Girls. Talk about the strangest flow. Does anyone here watch all three? If so - whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

    May 20, 2012 at 10:23PM EST Reply to Comment
    • Annie8bit_talkback_profile

      Stormshadow4life on the nudity...you certainly saw a lot of Talisa's butt....and maybe some side boob. Pretty tame for GoT though

      May 20, 2012 at 10:26PM EST
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      JP DD4L is correct, we got some Talisa skin this time, I've been looking forward to it. In fact, is there any actress on the show who is reasonably attractive who we have *not* seen in a state of undress?

      May 20, 2012 at 10:40PM EST
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      JP Sorry, SS4L. Who designed this keyboard?

      May 20, 2012 at 10:40PM EST
    • Emo7_talkback_profile

      Greg Grant I'm sorry, but butt and side b00b is not GoT Nudity, that's NYPD Blue nudity.

      Greg Grant is annoyed

      May 20, 2012 at 10:42PM EST
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      Pam Re Dany not having more children -- I suspect things went wrong with the birth of Drogo's son in S1. Didn't Mirri Maz Dur (sp?)tell her there'd be no more children? Or did Dany say it?

      May 20, 2012 at 11:14PM EST
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      Justin I haven't read the books...and can't wait for jofrey to die. Do people think he will die this season and by who?

      May 21, 2012 at 12:19AM EST
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      A I agree; I was pretty much supplying bad dialogue over the whole scene. "So glad you had this one-to-one correlative experience to explain your whole life ..."

      May 21, 2012 at 12:34AM EST
    • Zoidberg_talkback_profile

      mrbilliam I do watch all HBO's shows in a row. I don't see any reason why one person couldn't enjoy all three.

      May 21, 2012 at 12:41AM EST
    • Emo7_talkback_profile

      Greg Grant @Justin, they can't kill Joffrey this season or next. They just can't. The guy's mega-sht-heel status and his personality make his unstable reign fascinating. If they kill him and give the throne to one of the Nice Incest Children, then it will become a game of pawns with Cersei, Tyrion, and others trying to manipulate some soft-hearted soft-headed children. Joffrey needs to be in charge to provide an over all sense of chaos.

      If he dies, it better be some epic backstab of a backstab of a backstab attempt.

      @Pam... you might be right. I do not recall that scene all that well, but it makes sense.

      @A - all we needed was John Lovitz to float in as Master Thespian and go, "Ach-ting!"

      May 21, 2012 at 12:43AM EST
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      keith I watch GOT, Veep and Girls because they're all good. Is there any other reason to watch something? I think the tone or flow argument only applies to Nielsen households, those drippy imaginary idiots.

      May 21, 2012 at 3:10AM EST
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      Really? (Also, can you discuss this series without making constant comparisons to those horrible Lucas movies?)

      May 21, 2012 at 4:27AM EST
    • Emo7_talkback_profile

      Greg Grant Really, you were literally "astonished" by the alleged "misogyny" on display in my dislike of the romantic subplot? *laughs* My opinion and strong distaste for what I felt was a badly written overwrought and pointless scene automatically qualifies me for "misogyny" because you disagree with it? That's nice to know. Keep throwing out buzzwords.

      I don't care if you read the books. At all. I don't care if she's in the books, or not. At all. I find her character annoying, and not because she is a woman. But, like I said, keep using buzzwords.

      (Also, I'll keep making the sort of references I want to make, whether you like 'em or deem 'em "constant" or not).

      Toodles.

      May 21, 2012 at 4:37AM EST
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      BeastieBoy Charlie Chaplin's granddaughter is FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      May 21, 2012 at 5:36AM EST
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      keith She's very pretty. Is that maybe being confused for fantastic writing and acting? GoT has some compelling characters but also a lot of stock characters who will never exceed their programming and they may has well be pretty and show high quality nudity.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:58AM EST
    • A_talkback_profile

      belinda i watch all three because they're all good shows I find interesting.

      But after GoT it is always Mad Men. ALWAYS. Then Girls and Veep after that, or the day after. Sunday night is a brutal night for television.

      May 21, 2012 at 7:08AM EST
    • Machoman_talkback_profile

      bbq_hax0r Was anyone else thinking that during the Talisa/Robb scene that she could possibly be a spy? Normally they made a point of Robb covering up his plans on his table, this time he did no such thing. I was distracted by this thought throughout the scene missing most of her (touching?) story. Also, prettiest girl in the series thus far. Great scene! Go Robb!

      May 21, 2012 at 12:36PM EST
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      Ken Raining To the question about actresses we haven't seen undressed... well, there's Gwen from Downton Abbey. We also really haven't seen much of the queen, frankly.

      May 21, 2012 at 2:54PM EST
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      Dezbot @BBQ, that thought also crossed my mind (that Talisa could be a spy). I hope not, though. That was my favorite "sexposition" scene by far.

      May 21, 2012 at 6:29PM EST
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      Charles Greg, you may not have liked the romantic interlude and life-changing-moment backstory, but believe me, Talisa is a ton more convincing than the corresponding element in the books. This is one change that's definitely for the better.

      Tyrion's real flaw is that he still believes people, great and small, will act rationally, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

      Good guess, BTW, though it is fairly obvious I suppose.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:26PM EST
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      tijde I *hated* the Talisa backstory scene. I thought the whole story was trite, and the dialogue was painful. I get why they've focused on it but jeez, the romance aspect is just terribly done, and those two actors have virtually no chemistry together. Better writing or better chemistry could have redeemed it, but without either, I just cringe through all of their scenes.

      (By the way, yes I'm a female, and yes I've read the books. I still stand by my opinion.)

      May 21, 2012 at 11:30PM EST
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      Jamie @BBQ I actually had that thought earlier in the season when she said something to the effect of "what like I'm going to write to King Joffrey about your plans." Something just kind of hung in the air after that bit.

      May 22, 2012 at 5:13AM EST
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      Pod I have to agree with everyone else. It felt like that obligatory scene in terrible cop movies where the cop goes "when I was a kid I saw a cop save someone, that's when I knew I wanted to be a cop when I grew up". It always feels like a placeholder for genuine character development, and this is the case here too.

      May 23, 2012 at 12:33AM EST
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    Viginti

    Also, I took the necklace to be a trap, Tyrion baiting Cersei into thinking that she had the upper hand as a way of shielding his real mistress, but I'm not a book reader so what would I know.

    May 20, 2012 at 10:24PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Greg Grant I do not recall it being shown, so pretty sure it was done off-camera, and yeah, I do think it was a Tyrion level trap. Because, really, why would he give a showy Lannister identifiable gift to someone he was trying to keep hidden. That ain't like him.

      May 20, 2012 at 10:25PM EST
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      Cod I don't believe that Tyrion would intentionally put an innocent person's life at risk for the sake of gaining the upper hand over Cersei.

      May 20, 2012 at 10:26PM EST
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      Viginti He would kill for her, surely letting someone die is dong less than that? Though this gets us back into an argument we all had back in season two of BB.

      May 20, 2012 at 10:29PM EST
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      Cod Also, Tyrion's behavior didn't seem at all calculated. He was very worried when he came back to check on Shae. The confrontation with Cersei had shaken him. That wouldn't have been the case if he had set Ros up to be captured. He would have been expecting that confrontation. And he wouldn't have had any reason to tell Shae afterwards that they needed to be more careful. I really think you misread those scenes.

      May 20, 2012 at 10:39PM EST
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      JP Maybe Joffrey gave it to her as a thank you gift.

      May 20, 2012 at 10:42PM EST
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      Viginti I see Tyrion as someone who has plans upon plans always in progress; having a trap in place does not mean that you are uninterested by the presence of someone in your home and when the trap is triggered, well that can come as quite the shock.

      He never wanted this to happen, but had it as a contingency and now that it has he knows that the danger is but a single step away from actually harming him, that the love of his life has only just gotten away with her own. That would make one emotional.

      Then again we could find out that I am completely wrong, the show is so ambiguous that it's hard to say either way.

      May 20, 2012 at 10:44PM EST
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      AJ I recently rewatched Season 1 to get my wife caught up and I'm almost certain she mentions Tyrion giving it to her during her sexposition scene with Theon in one of the first five episodes.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:20PM EST
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      apearlma I think the problem for Ros is exactly what happens if Tyrion disclaims any interest? Cersei has her tortured to death to see if Tyrion says stop. And exactly what does that achieve for Tyrion? It puts the possibility of Shae being found back into play.

      It might be one hell of a lesser evil, but Tyrion is protecting Ros by claiming interest and Ros, not being stupid, goes along with it knowing that the Lannisters are exactly the kind of people willing to torture someone on a whim. Because one of them had her do just that...

      May 20, 2012 at 11:57PM EST
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      Admiral Ackbar IT'S A TRAP!!!

      May 21, 2012 at 6:05AM EST
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      Admiral Ackbar IT'S A TRAP!!!

      May 21, 2012 at 6:05AM EST
    • Machoman_talkback_profile

      bbq_hax0r LOL @ JP

      May 21, 2012 at 12:40PM EST
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      ZombieGregor AJ is right. Tyrion gave Ros the necklace in the beginning of season one. Attention is brought to it after Theon has sex with her. He is annoyed by the necklace because he is possessive of Ros. And he dislikes Tyrion. It was never said to have a lion on it, but we can assume.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:10PM EST
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    lztouchthedream

    Lamprey pie!

    May 20, 2012 at 10:25PM EST Reply to Comment
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      RM The Queen of England just got Lamprey Pie....crazy (and disgusting) timing:

      http://www.freep.com/article/20120427/NEWS06/204270431/Great-Lakes-lamprey-will-be-baked-into-a-dish-fit-for-a-queen

      May 21, 2012 at 2:30AM EST
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    annie

    Jaime and Brienne the road show spin-off is something I would love to see as well

    May 20, 2012 at 10:37PM EST Reply to Comment
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      joel I think your idea is hilarious, Alan, but there's no way Jaime Lannister is Charles Grodin in this situation. He is equally habitually irritating and funny, but he's pushing buttons and biding his time. Grodin is the anti-Jaime in Midnight Run (but totally Jaime on Letterman).

      That doesn't mean I wouldn't watch an entire spin-off series with just those two on the road. Hell, I'd watch any series with just Jaime. That character is great.

      May 21, 2012 at 2:57PM EST
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    Rollie

    I disagree. I thought this season has been fantastic, which surprises me since not nearly as much as happened up to this point as it had last season at the same point. Also surprising because the Dany storyline has been rather.. plodding. The new people and places makes up for it.

    May 20, 2012 at 10:42PM EST Reply to Comment
    • Machoman_talkback_profile

      bbq_hax0r The pacing has been slow which has left some people anxious, but the acting, story-telling, and scenery has been fantastic. And lets be honest, we're not talking nothing happening such as season 2 of Walking Dead.

      May 21, 2012 at 12:42PM EST
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      marmad I agree with Alan. The pacing hasn't just been slow - it's been mediocre. The swift introduction and minimal servicing of pivotal characters like Stannis, the Red Priestess, etc. - combined with the fabricated point of view of Robb (which I heard wasn't in the book, but I believe was done in order to keep the actor engaged and under contract) has led to a season that feels less cohesive and much more scattered.

      May 22, 2012 at 5:36PM EST
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    Sparks

    In the shows defense on Stannis. I just assume he has been having a smooth trip to Kings Landing, and even though we don't see him we always hear reports on how far away he is. Kind of like the countdown to doomsday in Majora's Mask.

    May 20, 2012 at 10:43PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Misty Thanks for putting it in terms we can all understand.

      May 20, 2012 at 10:55PM EST
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      JREinATL I generally agree, although it is odd that such a major character, who's clearly going to be involved in the climax of the season, has been sidelined for so much of the story, even if his action hasn't been much more than "got some boats, sailing those boats."

      Also, the story of the "onion knight" should have come much earlier in the season.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:40AM EST
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    BennyMcBenBen

    Tyrion could've given Ros the necklace when he gave her to Draco as a birthday present.

    May 20, 2012 at 10:51PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Tyrion Nope gave it to Ros when returning from the wall in season 1 episode 4. Ros brags about it to get Theon jealous in the following episode.

      May 22, 2012 at 8:55AM EST
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    Cod

    The show has consistently surprised me in terms of pairing up characters who I would not expect to share the screen. And often these pairings pay equally unexpected dividends. I'm sorry to see the Arya-Tywin scenes come to an end, but hopefully the Jaime-Brienne scenes will be a worthy successor. What I'd really like is for the characters on the extreme periphery to somehow come into direct contact with our more central characters, but I fear we may have to wait a while before that happens. And that's a shame because I'm quite curious what Daenerys and Tyrion would have to say to each other.

    May 20, 2012 at 10:53PM EST Reply to Comment
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      mike pretty sure that ros had the necklace in season 1 when she was with theon. he commented that tyrion was a "good tipper" or some such...

      May 20, 2012 at 11:04PM EST
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      Cod I think you've got the wrong thread, buddy.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:09PM EST
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      mike yeah, i meant to click the link on the comment above you by "bennymcbenden", who was wondering where ros got the lion-head necklace cersei mentioned. carry on.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:18PM EST
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    Delta1212

    As soon as Cersei mentioned the necklace, I flashed back to Ros's scene with Theon last season where she talks about Tyrion and I'm fairly certain she had a gold necklace on that she said she'd gotten from him. Sure enough, out comes Ros.

    May 20, 2012 at 10:59PM EST Reply to Comment
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    kronicfatigue

    What a terrible ending to an episode. 1) We all knew that the kids were alive, 2) We all knew the "swerve" of who the bodies where, 3) We didn't need the exposition explaining it and 4) what a cliched reveal that Bran was listening. "never from my lips". bwahahah, that's so corny.

    May 20, 2012 at 11:06PM EST Reply to Comment
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      kronicfatigue Varys vs Tyrion was awesome, as expected. Stannis and the onion lord was equally great. Just in case my negative post looks like trolling.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:07PM EST
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      Cod They definitely overestimated the cleverness of the switch they pulled. It would have worked better if they revealed it much earlier in the episode or didn't try to hide it at all. Holding the reveal off until the end makes the audience feel smarter than the show.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:17PM EST
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      JREinATL The problem was that there was too much underlining of the farm boys in the prior episodes, which made it pretty clear where the story was going.

      I think the problem is that telling this story in a visual medium, the creators can't be as sneaky with what was going on—where you can literally see everything that happens—as Martin could be on the page (and that's all I'll say about that, promise!). Seeing everything made Theon's ruse less convincing.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:54AM EST
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      JP FWIW, over the weekend some friends of mine and I were discussing the crispy kids, and collectively we were pretty evenly split on whether they were the Starks or the orphans. I was pretty sure it was the orphans, but didn['t know 100% for sure until the reveal at the end of this week.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:01PM EST
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      Woody I thought the point of the last scene was that Bran/Rickon/Wilding Chick/HODORHODORHODOR! are hiding in Winterfell. They definitely went out of their way to show that the burned corpses weren't Bran and Rickon but I don't see any way anybody could know that they were hiding in the crypts of Winterfell before that scene. It wasn't "oooohhh look, Bran and Rickon are alive."

      May 21, 2012 at 1:02PM EST
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      jessec829 I agree with Woody. I didn't think they were trying to "surprise" viewers with Bran's and Rickon's survival; I think it was just mean to reveal that 1) Bran/Rickon/Osha/Hodor are hiding in Winterfell, and 2) Bran knows the orphan boys he sent to the farm were killed because of that action.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:21PM EST
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      Dsl At the end of the episode last week, I was sure that the burned kids weren't the Starks. During this week's episode, though, I started to wonder about that during the scene between Theon and his sister. If they weren't the Stark kids, why wouldn't he tell her that? I mean, I know why, but I thought that it could at least be slightly possible that they were Bran and Rickon based on that.

      May 22, 2012 at 1:20PM EST
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    Romy

    Do u think Dan would be interested/have the avaliable time to write game of thrones reviews where we could discuss the show as an adaptation of the books?

    May 20, 2012 at 11:07PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Viginti There is a forum thread specifically for that and fifty to sixty thousand other sites besides. As much as I would love Dan to write more reviews he doesn't really need to do one so that people can talk in its comments section, does he?

      May 20, 2012 at 11:20PM EST
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      Romy I meant it so that ppl would have an opportunity to read a review from someone who has read the books more so than be able to comment. I think they would be sufficiently different from alan's because he reviews GoT purely as a tv show. I'm aware of the message board and the other sites.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:33PM EST
    • I'd love to see Dan review it also. He seems busy with American Idol though lol

      May 21, 2012 at 4:34AM EST
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      geoff The AV Club has both newbie and expert thread reviews and discussions for Game of thrones. Those who have read the books can go there and discussion with spoilers to their hearts content, on the experts thread that is.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:09AM EST
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    thedecade

    All I could think of was .... 'the hatch'

    May 20, 2012 at 11:15PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Viginti Natch.

      May 20, 2012 at 11:18PM EST
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    sukeyna

    I wanted Robb to lock Catelyn up in that cage to prevent her from doing any more damage. I can't decide which of her actions has been worse: releasing Jaime or kidnapping Tyrion.

    May 20, 2012 at 11:37PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Dr. Dunkenstein Seriously. First she starts this whole mess by kidnapping Tyrion, then she cuts her son's war effort off at the knees by releasing Jaime?

      What's her plan here? Is she hoping that by releasing Jaime the Lannisters will reciprocate out of the goodness of their hearts? Or are we to believe that this is part of the arrangement with Littlefinger where she's trusting Littlefinger and the Lannisters to live up to their end of the bargain.

      In the Stark family stupidity power rankings Catelyn has roared passed Jon Snow this week.

      May 21, 2012 at 12:17AM EST
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      Dr. Dunkenstein For the record those rankings right now look like:

      1. Catelyn
      2. Jon
      3. Ned's spot, reserved in memorium
      4. Robb
      5. Sansa

      NR: Arya, Hodor

      May 21, 2012 at 12:21AM EST
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      I LIKE CAKE Well, although it seems idiotic, there might be some reasoning behind this. From last ep: Jaime kills the guard, tries to escape, is captured, proceeds to being targeted by everyone. All there was between Jaime and those guys was a bunch of guards who basically are the same as the guys but they're told to defend a guy those guys hate.
      What I'm trying to say is that Jaime would die by the hands of North men - bringing death to Sansa and rage from Cersei. The only other option was to let him escape, in chains, with Brienne. It's actually sort of reasonable if we consider that Jaime was going to be murdered.

      May 21, 2012 at 4:00AM EST
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      Dr. Dunkenstein It doesn't seem idiotic, it is idiotic. Even if there was no possible way to keep Jaime alive the survival of her family is entirely dependent on Robb winning the war. Releasing Jaime hurts that caus3, both by aiding the Lannistere and hurting her son's forces, and doesn't materially change Sansa's prospects.

      Unless, of course, she trusts Littlefinger or havsfaith that the Lannisters will release Sansa when they don't need to.

      Again, just bottom of the barrell stupidity. At that this point I'm just as inclined to believe Ned and Catelyn are brother and sister as I am with Jaime and Cersei.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:08AM EST
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      Mike D Dr. Drunk I think Brann has to be high up there, Theon said 50 man can defend Winterfell against 10,000 so I assume Brann left 0 in Winterfell to deefnd it against 20.

      May 21, 2012 at 9:42AM EST
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      JREinATL I think that Catelyn explained her thinking in letting Jamie go well and honestly. Whether this was a "good" decision is debatable, but it was an honest, in-character move that you can easily see a mother making (although it would have been stronger if she'd have known that everyone thinks that her boys are dead).

      Everyone also seems to be forgetting that she sent him off with Brienne, making him still essentially a prisoner. The Catelyn/Brienne relationship has been left sketchy, but she clearly trusts Brienne with everything.

      Plus, Jamie sitting in a pig stye is boring!

      May 21, 2012 at 10:03AM EST
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      ed newman I guess she is banking on the fact that a "Lannister always pays his debts". Of course the Lannisters might have a very different view of where the debts lie in this case. A very dumb move on Catelyn's part. Dunkenstein is right to catapult her to No. 1 on his list.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:44AM EST
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      Dr. Dunkenstein @Mike D: Yeah but he's also 10 years old or thereabouts. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say his failure as Lord of Winterfell can be chalked up to other things.

      That said, I'd watch Home Alone 4: Winter is Coming wherein Brann and Hodor rig up traps where Finchy and Theon are stepping on rakes and getting hit in the crotch with paint cans.

      @JRE: Sure, you can say it's in character for her but only because she's done so many other staggeringly dumb things before.

      Jaime wasn't her prisoner to release. She did something that would cause a big morale problem and provided a huge boon to the army her son is fighting against(both as a symbol and as their most capable Knight).

      And your point about it being boring is true but that's what, to me, has been so frustrating about this season. Believable, reasonable actions seem to be secondary to advancing the plot. Jaime should be dead, Jon shouldn't have been left alone and so on.

      May 21, 2012 at 11:58AM EST
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      bbq_hax0r This is one of the dumbest moves in the show thus far. She gives up her only leverage against the Lannisters AND likely sentences Robb to death by doing so. This completely hurts the war effort both as leverage and by undermining Robb from within. I don't see why she wouldn't have just put Brienne as the guard for the night and WAIT FOR ROBB! Think of the other 4 children she says, what about Robb!? Granted his infidelity (although no one has to know about it for now) hurts his own chances, but seriously, Kat?

      If Robb wins or can negotiate a settlement then all is good. I don't see how undermining his war effort is good for anyone except the Lannisters.

      May 21, 2012 at 12:52PM EST
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      Tyrion Cat is only trying to save her children.
      Robb, on the other hand, has no problem being a selfish dishonorable jerk who jeopardize his and his allies entire war effort just so he can shove his prick.
      Cat was thinking about her family when she acted, what was robb thinking about other than his cock?

      May 22, 2012 at 9:01AM EST
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      marmad Sorry, I know there's just so much Arya love, but seriously - you wait until Tywin announces he's leaving immediately before giving his name up for death?

      When someone tells you they'll kill any three people for you - wouldn't you just say, "Uh, Tywin Lannister, Cersei Lannister and Joeffrey Baratheon, please."

      As far as I'm concerned, she's tied on the list with Jon.

      May 22, 2012 at 5:47PM EST
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    jutz

    I'm normally very patient and love character work. When the characters are interesting, I don't worry about plot. (example: Mad Men) But overall I've just been so BORED both last week and this week. Two weeks in a row and I've had it. Very annoying. I understand this setup is important, but there is no other way to do this while building tension and excitement? Looks like we are out of the slump next week, but then we only have 1 ep left. Maybe this is a book thing, I wouldn't know but it seems like this "spinning wheels" time could have been used better. I don't know. Not saying adaption is a walk in the park, but I hold this show to higher standard.

    May 20, 2012 at 11:50PM EST Reply to Comment
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      darthzombie I am sure some of it is adaption, but a lot of the puretablesetting without any early payoff is also a budget problem. Let's hope these last two weeks make up for it...

      May 21, 2012 at 2:07PM EST
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    Adam

    I hope it's a pretty bridge Alan.

    May 21, 2012 at 12:15AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Amanda

    I enjoyed Shae & Tyrion's reunion, because they can actually act invested & embody those characters as opposed to say Cersei who sleepwalked through a machination she's supposed to relish.

    Not sure why you enjoyed the scene with Robb & the nurse, as it seems a combination of two of your other complaints - repetitive storytelling & a telegraphed outcome (yes, they're going to ~fall in love~). I'd have been much more impressed if they hadn't developed the relationship. Robb would likely go after *anyone* of his own choosing, it doesn't have to be the love of his life. And if they want some kind of metaphorical resonance, to see Robb act a bit like Ned (shack up with a woman he met at wartime) - which I guess they are leveraging a bit, but with annoying sanctimoniousness ("oh but Robb would marry his," etc.).

    WHAT is with the most potentially interesting or at least pivotal plot scenes happening offstage? I had no idea what the hell was going on with Jaime being gone (did he escape twice, etc.) since the show was more interested in cliffhanger than continuity, it was hard for me to remember the scene of Caitlin asking for Brienn's sword at the very end. Gee, wouldn't I have liked to know what Caitlin said to Jaime? What Jaime's response was? To hear Caitlin rationalize to Brienn why she's doing it and why she think it'll mean jack? If I have to listen to these characters prattle on instead of doing something, that's the kind of something I'd like to hear!

    Whereas if the writers care about my actual experience they could wield offscreen actions to advantage -- where Varys mentions Dany & we segway to her could have been the *first* time all season that we see Dany. I think we'd have lost little in the way of story & been spared a lot of whining. It would have been bold to withhold her until necessary.

    As for Ros, I assumed it was a ploy of Littlefinger's to ingratiate Tyrion.

    May 21, 2012 at 12:31AM EST Reply to Comment
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      A But I see from other posters it was more likely given to her by Tyrion last season. Yawn. Convenient.

      I too loved the scene with Stannis & the Onion Knight. And agree I would have loved it more in, say, episode two.

      May 21, 2012 at 12:40AM EST
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      bbq_hax0r Yawn, a show had minor dialogue that 98% of people forgot about from last season that played a pivotal role in something this season. Bore!

      May 21, 2012 at 12:55PM EST
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    Art Deco

    "Arya, Gendry and their heavyset friend"

    That's Hot Pie to you and me.

    May 21, 2012 at 12:33AM EST Reply to Comment
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    mgrabois

    I had a "Oh, come ON!" moment north of the wall. Three guys have been captured and are digging latrines (where are their guards?). They just happen to dig in the right spot to find an ancient Ranger cache of weapons? Oh, come ON!

    May 21, 2012 at 12:41AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Greg Grant They weren't captured. They are still with the main party of Night Watch. Jon Snow's expedition was a five men scout team.

      May 21, 2012 at 12:45AM EST
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      asarael Those three weren't captured as far as I know. They're still with the main group of the Night's Watch.

      May 21, 2012 at 12:54AM EST
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      guest they werent captured. Those were the people at the fist of the first men.

      May 21, 2012 at 12:58AM EST
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      kronicfatigue INSTANT SUNRISE must be really smart b/c they read the books and wants everyone to know about it.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:16AM EST
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      Robo Iceland is so pretty in this show.

      May 21, 2012 at 5:40AM EST
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      bbq_hax0r I believe they are camped on Fist of the First Men, an ancient ruin, which would explain why a rune and cool stuff might be buried.

      May 21, 2012 at 12:57PM EST
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    Craig

    Loved the Stannis backstory; hated Talisa's. "I like helping people, and dislike slavery" is not exactly a meaty, multi-dimensional character study. On top of that, the monologue went on FOREVER. (She could have told us the EXACT same story without establishing that her parents had gone to a wedding in Bumblewherever, and that weddings last half a week back home, and and and ......).

    May 21, 2012 at 1:23AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Geoff By the time she got to the end of that dull, cliched story that sounded like it had been ripped from another script (mediaeval CPR, really?) I was thinking "I really miss sexposition".

      May 21, 2012 at 7:20AM EST
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      darthzombie Could be because Stannis backstory was ripped straight from the text and Talisa's is the shows writers exclusively..

      May 21, 2012 at 2:14PM EST
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    bitchstolemyremote

    Right on key with you, Alan. The scenes with Cersei and Tyrion (but also Yara and Theon) were the highlights for me. The Jon & Dany stuff is just too slow, the Stark reveal was a little too obvious, and Stannis (and Davos!) have been incorporated too little throughout.

    Here's hoping things turn up a notch in the final two eps. Our take: http://wp.me/p1VQBq-WO

    May 21, 2012 at 1:27AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Duncan

    I find the Dany stuff incredibly boring, she is quickly becoming the Helen Lovejoy of GOT. "WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS, WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE DRAGONS?!?!" That combined with Vaerys statement that the Dragons won't be ready for years makes uninterested in that storyline for now.

    Other than Joffrey and probably Jaime Lannister I'm finding it hard to root AGAINST a lot of these people. The villains make a lot of shows and I know the morals of this whole GOT universe are lacking, but who's the worst? I don't really hate anyone else. They've made Cersei and Tyrann (with the Arya stuff) a little more sympathetic. I would root against Stannis, but we never see him and I like Davos. Renley is gone. Zarozan Ducksauce is whatever. I want Theon to get his, but he will never become King so he's not really in the conversation. The point is they haven't made anyone else wickedly evil which could make for a much worse dynamic once Joffrey gets his head lopped off by Stannis after he tries to Ronald Mcdonald his smile.

    May 21, 2012 at 1:40AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Greg Grant I am glad I am not alone on my "Dany is Worthless" wagon. Her character is freaking annoying and pointless (for now). If we can remove Stannis, a pivotal character in the now, for episodes at a time, why can't we shutter off Dany - a character who might potentially become important later - for awhile?

      May 21, 2012 at 4:27AM EST
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      Mr. Belvedere I agree - just do what Lost did in S5 with Claire; leave her out for the season b/c she just isn't needed and come back to her next season.

      May 21, 2012 at 10:59AM EST
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      bbq_hax0r "Rabble Rabble Rabble, MINE MINE MINE, Rabble Dragons RABBLE!" - Dany Targaryen

      Did I miss anything?

      May 21, 2012 at 12:59PM EST
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      bbq_hax0r Also, just thinking, maybe because Dany was such a popular character (especially for all the ladies?) they wanted to keep her a focal point to keep people interested, so that is why they've gone to her more than they should have? I don't know the reasoning I'm just speculating. I haven't been a fan as illustrated by my comment above.

      Also to Duncan, cheering against Joffrey isn't enough? I'm not so certain he'll get his own coming up by Stannis. I'm a huge Stannis fan, but I'm not so sure he'll be on the Iron Throne anytime soon as that would likely require us losing some or all of: Varys, Cersei, Joffrey, Tyrion, Bronn, Shae, Joffreys Brother, the Hound, Sansa, et al.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:03PM EST
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      Kiltish I find it ironic that everyone is whining about Dany's whining.

      May 21, 2012 at 1:59PM EST
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      Greg Grant @Kiltish, it's not "ironic," and we're not whining. We're disgusted. There's a difference.

      May 21, 2012 at 4:01PM EST
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      Fuir Surely I am not the only one who hated Dany already in the 1st season. Maybe the writers subsequently realised what a terrible character they had created and had no choice but to make her so blatantly annoying that everyone would agree..
      Hence her constant whining during 2nd season.

      May 21, 2012 at 6:15PM EST
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      tijde I agree with Greg. Dany's scene added nothing to this ep for me. Do we really think she'd leave her dragons? No. Do we really think Jorah would leave her? No. Do we need to be told again how much he's devoted to her, and that he's in love with her, and that she knows it? No. We covered almost all of that in last week's Jorah/Dany scenes.

      May 22, 2012 at 1:33AM EST
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      Robert In the first season, Dany was a more interesting because her character actually had an arc. This season her character hasn't developed at all and she hasn't accomplished anything interesting and is completely separated from everything that's happening in Westeros for the moment (and even if she did make it to Westeros, I don't see her having enough political clout to make a real difference in the war, as the Spice guy argued).

      I also agree that as long as her dragons are juveniles, it's really hard to care about her story. Right now, like her name, they're only of symbolic/theoretical importance to all the plotting that's going on. I am hoping that when she arrives at the warlock's tower she'll find that the warlocks have performed some sort of magical ritual that accelerates the dragons' aging. This is just a guess/hope -- I haven't read the books, but it makes sense from a meta-logic point of view. It just seems Dany needs another "unexpected" game-changer (like the birth of the dragons in the first place) to remain relevant, unless the next season involves a significant jump forward in the timeline.

      May 22, 2012 at 1:38AM EST
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      Kiltish @Greg I just feel like this show gets it right 90% of the time but this forum spends most of it's energy on the other 10%.

      I actually don't entirely disagree with you. She has been annoying but that's part of her arc this season as far as I can make out. She's pretty much lost everything, but is trying to be strong without really knowing how. If she had an army behind her or three fully grown dragons and she started threatening people that she would destroy them then we would be calling her a badass. As it stands she doesn't so we say she's behaving like a child, which she still kind of is. I think the scene this week was perhaps misplaced but it gave us a window into how lost she really feels.

      May 22, 2012 at 2:33PM EST
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    sansouci2000

    No doubt Ros was given a Lannister Lion pendant for the horrible service she had to deliver for Joffrey.

    May 21, 2012 at 1:57AM EST Reply to Comment
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    lelisa13p

    I will be so sorry to see this season end. I deliberately haven't read the books thus far & am on the waiting list at the public library for books 1 & 2. I figure that should keep me busy until Season 3 begins and I'll still be sufficiently behind what's being televised so that I won't spoiler myself.

    You're right about so many bases being covered that the story itself hasn't been pushed forward as much as last season, or at least that's what it feels like. However, it's still head & shoulders above most of what's on television these days.

    Peter Dinklage deserves another Emmy. He is perfection.

    May 21, 2012 at 2:02AM EST Reply to Comment
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    David

    PLEASE, could someone tell me the name of the part of the soundtrack that the music during the end credits from this episode comes from. I've skipped through the whole thing and can't seem to find it!

    May 21, 2012 at 2:17AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Greg Grant Isn't it all original music made by some guy and released in CDs/iTunes later on, much like BSG?

      May 21, 2012 at 4:29AM EST
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      VARYS @GREG GRANT
      Yes, you are correct. The composer is Ramin Djawadi, and the second season soundtrack will be released on May 29th.

      May 21, 2012 at 7:03PM EST
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    Lbsammills51

    I haven't read the books so I have no idea what's the endgame (if there is one) between Robb and Hot Doctor Lady (I didn't even know the character's name until reading the review here) but considering they kept bringing up the bridge from last season, I have a bad feeling for both of them.

    I am sad if Tywin riding off to war again means the end of scenes between Charles Dance and Maisie Williams. They're great together.

    May 21, 2012 at 2:34AM EST Reply to Comment
    • I agree, i'd rather they get their own spinoff before jaime/brienne

      May 21, 2012 at 3:37AM EST
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      Matthew Put me in the camp for a Bronn/Tyrion Spin-off. Though I am for an Arya/Tywin, and Brienne/Jaime spinoff. Hell lets have spinoffs all around! Like: Varys/Littlefinger Stannis/Davos and my dream meet-up Hodor/Sam

      May 21, 2012 at 6:14AM EST
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      Tyrion i'll take Tyrion/Varys over those but that's just me.

      May 22, 2012 at 9:23AM EST
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    keith

    Great review, totally agree. Meh episode, some good bits. Want stuff to happen. They misread the audience with the 'twist' about who had been burned. Whenever a review mentions Ros I wonder if I'm supposed to have remembered her from one scene to the next, because I really don't.

    May 21, 2012 at 3:08AM EST Reply to Comment
    • Just think of her as Main Prostitute like I do :P

      May 21, 2012 at 3:37AM EST
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    Mojo CoCo

    Warlock Dean Pelton. Love it, especially since there was a Deanelganger or Doppledeal or Dopplechang on community last week :P

    May 21, 2012 at 3:38AM EST Reply to Comment
    • Doppledean* :P

      May 21, 2012 at 3:41AM EST
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      Cookiemeister It's Doppelganger. DOPPEL.

      I'M STRESSED, WHERE'S MY COOKIE JAR.

      May 21, 2012 at 4:11AM EST
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      PDF I believe Chang's variant was the deanelchanger.

      May 21, 2012 at 6:45AM EST
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