Review: 'Game of Thrones' - 'The Ghost of Harrenhal': Three deadly wishes

Plans change rapidly as season 2 reaches its mid-point

<p>Alfie Allen as Theon Greyjoy in &quot;Game of Thrones.&quot;</p>

Alfie Allen as Theon Greyjoy in "Game of Thrones."

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"Anyone can be killed." -Arya

"The Ghost of Harrenhal" brings us to the halfway point of season 2, and about the only thing that's certain at this stage of the season is that everyone — us included — has to get used to the idea that plans can (and often need to) be changed at a moment's notice, and that what we believed to be true may be anything but.

The hour's biggest shake-up comes early, as the shadow thing that Melisandre gave birth to stabs Renly to death, taking one potential king off the board and vastly upgrading Stannis' own forces in the process. Though Renly had the charm and guile to amass his 100,000-strong army, he was also too cocky, and more interested in the trappings of power than in the necessary steps to gain and keep power. As his new widow puts it — in a clear-eyed exchange that suggests possibilities to Littlefinger — "Calling yourself king doesn't make you one," nor is there much value to being a queen as opposed to the queen.

And the victory proves to one of mixed value as far as Davos is concerned. Melisandre may or may not be using her magic to cloud Stannis' mind, but anyone who saw her give birth to New Smokey — and who has lived in a world where magic's been absent for a thousand years — would understand the danger of allowing such a mystically powerful woman anywhere near a position of political and military power. Stannis reluctantly changes his plans at Davos' urging — more out of pride, it seems, than a belief in Davos' doomsaying — but I don't know if the red-headed witch is going to go along easily with the switch.

North of the Wall, the Rangers' campaign to find Benjin's group shifts from a large-scale military campaign to a stealthy commando mission, and in the process, Jon Snow is able to get out of steward's duty and back to his fighting destiny. And way off to the southeast, Jorah convinces Dany to decline Xaro's marriage offer — for both his stated reason (there will be more value in building an army within Westeros' borders than hiring one from without) and because of his own feelings for the mother of dragons — and let him find them a ship back to their home country.

Some of the revised plans are barely a sketch at this point. Desperate to prove himself to his father and the rest of the skeptical Iron Islanders, Theon decides to ignore his intended target and go after one closer to Winterfell, presumably to leave Bran, Hodor(!) and company vulnerable to sneak attack. Tyrion, meanwhile, seizes control of the alchemical Wildfire that Cersei had ordered into production, but it's not clear what he intends to do with it, since he agrees with Bronn that attempting to launch it from catapults would do as much damage to King's Landing as Stannis' fleet.  And Tywin Lannister at least recognizes that Robb is better at warfare than expected, even if he doesn't quite have a new strategy to make the King in the North beat himself.

And still others mainly involve a switch in loyalty. Arya is just trying to stay alive now that she's in Tywin's employ, but she gains an unexpected ally in the charming criminal she freed a few episodes back, who grants her the power of death over three of her many enemies. I would say choosing The Tickler for one of them was a poor choice, but I can see the value in starting out with a target close at hand so she can be sure her new pal can do what he promises. (Had she named, say, Joffrey first, who knows how long it would have taken, or how she would have gotten proof?)

Renly's death, meanwhile, leaves Brienne of Tarth cursing herself for failing to protect him, but she finds a more temperamentally-matched new master in Catelyn Stark. Brienne swore her undying loyalty to a shallow man, where you can see in the oath scene in the woods that Brienne and Cat share a very serious attitude towards the lives they have chosen.

The women of Westeros don't dominate every story this week, but they have enough strong moments — Brienne killing three of Renly's soldiers in a combination of self-defense and grief, Mags impressing Littlefinger, Arya impressing Tywin, every man in Qarth trying to win Dany's favor (and Jorah holding her out as the one claimant on the Iron Throne who deserves it by both blood and behavior), and that fantastic oath scene with Gwendoline Christie and Michelle Fairley — that I'm reminded once again of how absurd and myopic that infamous New York Times review of the show was. Why would women want to watch fantasy? Maybe because it provides more strong female characters, played by a host of impressive actors, than most dramas set in something more closely resembling our world?

Some other thoughts:

* Who knew baby dragons could be that adorable?

* In our discussion a few weeks ago about which characters had appeared in every episode, several of you pointed out that Joffrey had that distinction. Well, that ended tonight, which leaves Cersei as the last one standing, right? UPDATE: As others have pointed out, Cersei was recently absent, so there's no one who's been in every episode.

* Where Jon is eager to get back into a fighting position, Sam seems perfectly content as a steward, and continues to establish his rep among the men as someone better-educated (or, at least, better-read) than them. Though the show can occasionally bog down in discussing the history of Westeros, I quite enjoyed Sam and then Jon musing about what the First Men thought when they stood on this spot waaaaay back in the day.

* I have to either credit or blame Grantland's Andy Greenwald for making me unable to look at Xaro anymore without imagining that his name is "Zarozan Ducksauce."

* More Qarth-ian credit/blame goes to Fienberg, who watched the scene where the warlock tries to impress Dany and immediately told me "It's Jim Rash as the warlock of Qarth!" Wonder if this guy's also into furries.

Finally, my attempt to keep these comments free of book spoilers has been mostly successful, but some people just don't seem to get it, or care. Once again, let me remind you of the spoiler policy as it relates to this show: we are here to TALK ABOUT THE TV SHOW AS A TV SHOW, AND NOT AN ENDLESS SERIES OF COMPARISONS TO THE BOOKS. If you want to talk about things from the books that haven't yet appeared on the show — whether they are plot points, characters we haven't met yet, still-to-be-explained motivation, etc. — please do so in the message board topic I set up for this episode. I don't care how clever or oblique you think you're being: NO BOOK DISCUSSION IN THE COMMENTS. PERIOD. Anything even vaguely over the line gets deleted, and if anyone notices a comment before I do, feel free to email me.

What did everybody else think?

Alan Sepinwall may be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com

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    Eddie

    Tyrion has been in every episode I believe, and i thought Joffrey was left out two weeks ago?

    April 29, 2012 at 10:05PM EST Reply to Comment
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      coolsid tyrion missed one last season, the one with the infamous sexposition scene with littlefinger and his whores

      April 29, 2012 at 10:06PM EST
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    a

    "In our discussion a few weeks ago about which characters had appeared in every episode, several of you pointed out that Joffrey had that distinction. Well, that ended tonight, which leaves Cersei as the last one standing, right? "

    Cersei was not in last week's episode

    April 29, 2012 at 10:05PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Stormshadow4life Yeah, I thought so too

      April 29, 2012 at 10:21PM EST
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    lztouchthedream

    I was wracking my brain to figure out who Theon's new friend was played by for like, half the next scene, and then it hit me - Finchy! Hopefully he'll be slightly less of an odiois prick than he was on The Office.

    April 29, 2012 at 10:09PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Col Bat Guano Finchy and Joffery would be neck and neck in a prick off.

      April 30, 2012 at 2:13AM EST
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      Ilyrio Alfie Allen must be tall, then. Because Finchy was really tall. Wait, maybe that means that everyone else in the Office was just really short... Shit, now I don't know what to think.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:27AM EST
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      Babar Well, we know bot Martin Freeman and Ricky Gervais are really short, so maybe that's it

      April 30, 2012 at 9:29AM EST
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      Hatfield Alfie Allen is not especially tall.

      April 30, 2012 at 11:39AM EST
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      Peter_the_Gr8 I did the exact same thing and then exclaimed, "Finchy" much to my wife's dismay. I expected him to be having his way with a wench near a boat at the end of the episode.

      April 30, 2012 at 2:58PM EST
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    eric_balsam

    I thought Joffrey was not in last weeks episode? Also there's a Tywin Stark written above

    April 29, 2012 at 10:11PM EST Reply to Comment
    • Week before last

      April 29, 2012 at 10:12PM EST
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      WaltEagle I thought Joffrey was pretty unforgettable last week...

      April 29, 2012 at 10:12PM EST
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    Sareeta

    Pyat Pree (the blue lipped warlock) looks just like Governor Rick Scott of Florida. Just saying...

    Loved every scene with Arya, especially when she's discussing Robb Stark with a look of pride, and then her face darkens when she looks Tywin in the eyes and says, "anyone can be killed."

    April 29, 2012 at 10:11PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Otto Man Thank you. I knew he looked like a politician, but couldn't but my finger on it. Seems about as trustworthy too.

      April 29, 2012 at 11:50PM EST
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      PotatoSolution I thought that might be Richard O'Brien (from Rocky Horror Picture Show) as Pyat Pree, but I was wrong.

      April 30, 2012 at 12:11PM EST
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      CorruptSOB Heh! Thank you for that comment about Rick Scott. Now every time I have to see his face on TV I'll be able to smile a little for a change.

      February 3, 2013 at 5:35PM EST
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    Stephen Drabek

    Cersei was not in last week's episode. And Joffrey already was already absent in an earlier episode this season. So i don't think anyone has been in all 15 so far.

    April 29, 2012 at 10:11PM EST Reply to Comment
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      M Why is everyone so ovssrssed over who was or wasn't in every episode? What the F' does that matter? So much better things to discuss. Pretty nerdy

      March 10, 2013 at 9:55PM EST
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    WaltEagle

    As some are saying, Joffrey missed episodes 2 and 3 this season, and Cersei missed episode 4. Nobody's been in every episode now. Tyrion, Arya, and Cersei are the most regular, appearing in 14 out of 15.

    April 29, 2012 at 10:11PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Greg Grant

    Great show as always, with one minor quibble:

    Dany is the least likeable allegedly likeable character on this show. This week's episode literally had people giving her informed attributes, much in the same way in the last twenty or so Steven Seagal movies whenever the puffy-faced out-of-shape master of the ponytail waddles into a bar full of legit tough guys, one of them invariably has to blurt out, "Oh man, it's ... he's tough!" while others nod in agreement with zero irony. Jorah gushes about what a good ruler she would be, telling us what an awesome person Dany truly is, without us seeing any of this for ourselves. Every man fawns over her. And all the women look up to her for her wisdom. If this show wasn't based on a book written by a bearded old Jets fan, I'd call her a Mary Sue. For now, she's Female Steven Seagal.

    On a positive note, I find it interesting how Tyrion is not superbrain and does lack self-awareness, not realizing for a second that he's the demon monkey of which the city rabble rousers speak. And needing Bronn there to parse things out for him.

    Tywin Lannister is a great sht heel villain who makes the good guys beating him better. Robb Stark's continual defeats of such a smart tactical leader elevate Robb Stark. He looks better for being able to repeatedly military defeat a mind such as Tywin.

    I said this last week, but it bears repeating, I never thought I'd have sympathy for Theon Greyjoy and his betrayal of Stark's, but given his situation and his family, it almost makes sense.

    April 29, 2012 at 10:12PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Yeathree Thought he was a Giants fan.

      April 29, 2012 at 10:24PM EST
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      Dr. Dunkenstein I don't know if I agree about Theon. I think if last season had established himself as a little more disturbed by his surroundings then you could buy his conversion but with the whole proclaiming Robb his brother scene it just makes him look like a bit of a rat to abandon that for people who treat him like crap.

      But that's sort of the problem. If he hadn't been portrayed as being genuinely loyal to the Starks then his betrayal wouldn't be as big a deal but he also wouldn't have been given such an important task.

      I don't know, he doesn't seem like a particularly well realized character so far.

      April 29, 2012 at 10:25PM EST
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      Greg Grant Nah, he went on a mini-rant when he found out Jets signed Tebow. That's how I found out. You know the show has mainstream audience, when a sports website saw fit to mention that.

      April 29, 2012 at 10:26PM EST
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      Jane Dany can be a great character, but she has been wasted, they don't develop her and her story; so it's hard to root for someone you know nothing about [I haven't read the books]; I loved her on season 1; but now she seens disconected from the rest of what is going on on Westeros.
      Give her a chance!! (I'm waiting for her to get to get back to Westeros and show how much a treat she can be...well it is whishiful thinking but till i'm prove wrong it can happen.)

      April 29, 2012 at 10:29PM EST
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      darthzombie Martin is a New York sports fan and if you follow his blog, especially during NFL season who posts both about the Giants and the Jets as a fan of both teams...

      April 29, 2012 at 10:42PM EST
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      a @Jane Always got the sense that many and jobs stories are the long game of this series, likely to play out in the final books seasons.Till then I suspect they will be minor characters in the grand scheme of things

      April 29, 2012 at 11:31PM EST
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      Greg Grant Jane, my problem with Dany is that if she's supposed to be very, very important later, then she can very, very important later. Right now, she hogging valuable TV real estate and we can always see her become all these great thing people anticipate of her later, instead of being told how awesome she is now.

      I didn't really have an issue with her character before these last two episodes. And you're right, in the first season, she was important and much more importantly sympathetic - little girl thrown into a marriage with a savage rapist (at least initially), because her brother has a Grand Plan, and her world goes upside down. It made her compelling. Here, she is walking around, considering her vengeance by her birth right and planning an invasion and total war, and we're supposed to... sympathize? Empathize? She showed none of the things that everyone on the show around her praises her for.

      April 29, 2012 at 11:49PM EST
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      Chris S If you're talking about why characters believe Dany is worthy of being called a woman who would be a caring and worthy queen, isn't it worth it to note how she saved the women is S1 from rape and possible death? How Jorah, who is the one stating this, has seen her struggle between her feelings for her brother as family versus her knowing Viscerys was a bad person? Someone who comforted the woman in her clan two weeks ago whose mate was beheaded, and arranged a funeral rite even? And in this episode chided her mates for contemplating stealing from their benefactors? (off the top of my head)

      April 30, 2012 at 12:31AM EST
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      Ilyrio You hit the nail on the head without even realizing it, Chris S.

      Dany is so one-notedly, boringly GOOD that it's not even fun to watch her in a world with so many fully-realized, morally complex characters. Maybe she would be a good queen as a goody two-shoes (though Ned Stark's head would beg to differ) but right now? Who cares about her situation? We know she's just going to take the most boring, morally flat option at the end of the day.

      April 30, 2012 at 2:09AM EST
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      Greg Grant Chris, she saved a few from rape, after the men of her husband looted the towns to finance her husband's great idea of conquest of all to have her stand side by side with him on the Iron Throne. When the said speech was given, she looked on in admiration and joy. Her plan is to conquer Westros and rule it. How many lives is she willing to throw away? Oh, but it's all right because they are the lives of those who oppose her and her claim due to her being the child of her father. What is she going to do, hold an election and present a platform of her political goals? She's wants to kill lots and lots of people and wants to use dragons to do it. How does that make her a good person?

      April 30, 2012 at 2:30AM EST
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      darthzombie I would say Dany at this point is still very Naive, she wants to destroy those who oppose and protect the weak, but doesn't realize what a massive takeover all entails

      April 30, 2012 at 2:58AM EST
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      Greg Grant Okay, I'll buy what DarthZobmie is saying, but that still doesn't let her off the hook or make her likeable. Ignorant, Red Wasted, and full of dragons is no way to go through life.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:04AM EST
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      Jarrod @ Ilyrio - did you forget about the time she had the woman lashed to the funeral pyre and burned her alive? She's not sunshine and butterflies.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:27AM EST
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      Lili Dany is one of the show's most strong characters. I don't get why people don't see her as complex: don't you guys remember the golden crown episode? Look at her reaction when his brother dies. She is not a fairy tale princess.

      Everybody assumed last year that Drogo would invade Westeros and destroy everybody and now (why am I not surprised?) they think the same about the dragons.

      At the very end the ruler of the Seven Kingdoms needs to be a conqueror but mainly a politician - to quote Tyrion, he/she needs to "understand the way the game is played". Dragons may conquer the throne for her, but being able to keep it, well that's a whole different story.

      April 30, 2012 at 5:12AM EST
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      Lili @GREG
      Please note that Jorah fell in love with Dany. All these compliments come from someone who loves her.

      April 30, 2012 at 7:27AM EST
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      Babar I think criticizing Dany for being a "goody two-shoes" is forgetting a lot of what she did last season. Remember she had a lady burned alive, didn't flinch when her brother was "crowned" in front of her, etc. And even if she WAS morally better, it might be nice to have someone in the show be a genuinely good person. Let's see where this season goes with regards to her character.

      April 30, 2012 at 9:35AM EST
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      Chris S It's very worthy to mention, as Lili did and I neglected to last night, that Jorah is smitten and speaking in superlatives. Her khalasar looks to her as they do because she is the mother of dragons and walked out a bonfire with the little suckers crawling all over her! And in Qarth, where she was almost denied admittance, she is being courted by a man clearly out to use her dragons and claim to the Iron Throne to advance his own lot. So I feel that the attention being given to her is mis-characterized by you Greg.

      I don't believe Dany is a goody-good; surely she falls somewhere between Ilyrio's view of her and of your "least likable allegedly likable" character label as is often the case when opinions are so polarized. She's a flawed young woman struggling to balance her compassion and fury as a leader of people.

      April 30, 2012 at 9:54AM EST
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      tiyo the show isn't "telling us that dany is so great" it is telling us that JORAH thinks she is great. It's telling us that the people of Qarth will say anything because they want something from her

      April 30, 2012 at 11:26AM EST
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      Jane @A: thanks, that was enlightening. :)

      @ Greg Grant: i see where you're getting with it, is the very same opinion I have on Melisandre, that all told me how great she was (and the looks helps too) but every time she shows up, it bores me to death and I'm still waiting to see that (I mean she gave birth to the shadow thing and has magical powers, she can be discribed as amazing, but i hope you got what i'm trying to say here :) )
      I hope in the end it pays off and Dany shows that she is everything the other characters believes she is.

      April 30, 2012 at 1:31PM EST
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      louisjab Dany's stories this year don't seems so engaging because there isn't as much growth as there was last year. Although, it does mirrors her character. In season 1, all she had to do was to manipulate one man. Now, she has to manage her troops and navigate a city's web of influences and treacheries.

      Like someone wrote earlier, it's been shown that being a good warrior alone (Ned Stark, Robert Baratheon) or a good politician alone (Renly) does not make one king. She's learning the politician part now.

      April 30, 2012 at 8:10PM EST
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    Gustavo Heudebert

    I find myself consistently -and pleasantly- surprised at the level of engagement this show brings even in comparatively low-key episodes. Also, is it just me or have been simply masterful at showing you a character's nature economically? Stannis' dictated letter, for example, told us so much about him that has been borne out in subsequent scenes.

    April 29, 2012 at 10:14PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Kevin I agree. Even the 'sexposition' helps to do this (well, all the sexposition besides the Littlefinger lesbian scene).

      http://www.quora.com/Game-of-Thrones-TV-series/Why-does-HBO-have-the-need-to-insert-a-lot-of-non-existent-in-the-books-sex-scenes-in-the-series/answer/Kevin-McAleer?__snids__=40271893#comment905786

      April 30, 2012 at 9:27PM EST
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    Sareeta

    Oh, and a little trivia: the alchemist/pyromancer (the man who shows Tyrion the wildfire) is played by the voice of the audiobooks himself, Roy Dotrice.

    April 29, 2012 at 10:15PM EST Reply to Comment
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      darthzombie Been waiting for his appearance since hearing about his casting as Hallyne before the season started...

      April 29, 2012 at 11:18PM EST
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    JHG

    I think it's also important to point out that there were NO BREASTS SHOWN in this episode - is that the first time in the entire show that that has been the case??

    April 29, 2012 at 10:16PM EST Reply to Comment
    • I should have bet the under. 5.5 boobs per episode.

      April 29, 2012 at 10:17PM EST
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      JP Dammit, you beat me to it. A major character gone missing. Or, two major characters...

      April 29, 2012 at 10:23PM EST
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      Greg Grant JP and I were not amused by this development. I like b00bs. There, I said it. I just don't like pointless b00bs that are so pointless you literally go, "hey, what the... why is that..."

      April 29, 2012 at 10:25PM EST
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      darthzombie And HBO could have went buckwild with boobs if they wanted to in Qarth as traditional Qarthian female fashion described in the books leaves one breast exposed, imagine the outcry about pointless nudity if they stuck to this minor unimportant description from the books...

      April 29, 2012 at 10:45PM EST
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      Dr. Dunkenstein Already, DarthZombie, you've broken my rule.

      April 29, 2012 at 10:48PM EST
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      Greg Grant DarthZombie is allowed, he is blood of my blood... Actually, you know what, that kinda sounded wrong. Um, I like b00bs. Nothing to see here, folks. Just two bro-dudes being bro-dudes.

      April 29, 2012 at 10:58PM EST
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      darthzombie true but that did not spoil anything whatsoever. And my comment fit with this nudity conversation...

      April 29, 2012 at 10:59PM EST
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      joel In regards to DarthZombie, I invoke Sumai. I mean seriously people, come on. I think cultural clothing choices are probably not spoilers.

      April 30, 2012 at 2:02AM EST
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      Anonymous Not true...I counted at least 6 man boobs in that scene with Tyrion and the assembled commoners.

      April 30, 2012 at 9:45AM EST
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      MBG Highly disappointing. They missed a golden opportunity in Qarth.

      April 30, 2012 at 4:31PM EST
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      Sexposition I was relieved to have an ep off this week.

      April 30, 2012 at 11:42PM EST
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      Greg Grant But... we missed you so. *lower lip wobbles*

      May 1, 2012 at 4:59AM EST
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      Tijde Reply to comment...

      May 2, 2012 at 12:06AM EST
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      Tijde But we got abs. Tasty, tasty man abs.

      May 2, 2012 at 12:07AM EST
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    Dr. Dunkenstein

    Here's a suggestion, fellow commentariat, if at any point in your post you have the words "in the books" and it's not immediately preceded by "I don't know what happens..." then it's probably something that you shouldn't post.

    April 29, 2012 at 10:20PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Greg Grant Jesse, that means you.

      April 29, 2012 at 10:28PM EST
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      darthzombie lol

      April 29, 2012 at 10:46PM EST
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      Otto Man Seriously. How effing hard is it to understand when Alan asks you not to talk about the books, that you shouldn't talk about the books? Christ.

      April 29, 2012 at 11:57PM EST
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      Yeathree So should I talk about the books?

      April 30, 2012 at 6:48AM EST
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      Bill Who are you guys complaining about? Are you mad that DARTHZOMBIE mentioned some trivial, non-spoiler detail from the books? Alan has made the rules very clear. Why don't you save your hall monitoring for when someone actually breaks them.

      April 30, 2012 at 8:50AM EST
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      Otto Man Who are you guys complaining about?

      A post that's since been deleted.

      But thanks for hall monitoring the hall monitors all the same.

      April 30, 2012 at 10:37AM EST
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      darthzombie I believe it was put out as a preventetive measure, especially since a poster named Jesse went hogwild with vague spoilerific posts last week...

      April 30, 2012 at 11:10AM EST
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      Dr. Dunkenstein It was, as Darth Zombie says, pre-emptive because as clear as Alan has made the rules, some people still have problems with them as evidenced by some already deleted posts.

      My reply above, to DarthZombie, was a joke.

      April 30, 2012 at 12:26PM EST
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    srpad

    I liked this week but I predict this will be when the rumblings of a GoT backlash start.

    April 29, 2012 at 10:34PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Omagus Interesting. Why?

      April 29, 2012 at 11:16PM EST
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      darthzombie I thought that started last week with the birth of the shadow baby, at least a little bit and the only backlash would be continued off of that being of Renly's untimely demise by smokey like Mr. Eko...

      April 29, 2012 at 11:31PM EST
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      jdstorm Don't worry Hurley, oops i mean Sam will save them all lol

      April 30, 2012 at 1:27AM EST
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      srpad I think because even though this was a fantasy series from the first episode, those elements are becoming more and more prevalent which will start turning some viewers off.

      April 30, 2012 at 12:13PM EST
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    darthzombie

    Hodor! Hodor, Hodor, Hodor, Hodor, Hodor, Hodor, Hodor, Hodor, Hodor...

    April 29, 2012 at 10:38PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Naeem Chill with the spoilers there.

      April 29, 2012 at 10:41PM EST
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    jason_grasso

    Neither Joffrey nor Cersei have been in every episode. In fact, it was very recently that both didn't appear in an episode. (There's certainly a chance they haven't appeared in more than one each, too.)

    April 29, 2012 at 10:42PM EST Reply to Comment
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    DB Cooper

    Loved this episode. I'm feeling more and more confident that the TV team will be able to adapt the great stuff from the books, and even more, to make great television from some of the even novels that drag a little.

    (Not trying to break a rule or discuss the books - just expressing a particular confidence that the producers now have an independent handle on the characters and themes, and could probably take lots of liberties with the plots going forward, if they wanted.)

    April 29, 2012 at 10:59PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Andrew Agree.

      This was the first episode this season that both slowed the pace down and was bold enough to take liberties that TV must vis-a-vis literature.

      Very encouraging - loved the pacing and character devo.

      Also, regarding the critique of Dany above - wasn't her temptation this week a sign of an at least somewhat complicated character?

      April 30, 2012 at 3:27AM EST
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    Steve

    Isn't Qarth southeast, not southwest of the Wall and the rest of the North?

    April 29, 2012 at 11:18PM EST Reply to Comment
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      a Yeah where is qarth exactly in comparison with Vaes Dothrak. Would have been nice if we could have had a better sense of Geography

      April 29, 2012 at 11:39PM EST
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      darthzombie This worldmap from HBO might be helpful... http://viewers-guide.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/season2/#!/map/

      April 29, 2012 at 11:46PM EST
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      MBG Hey, hey, we're not doing focking Stone Hedge!

      April 30, 2012 at 4:35PM EST
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    Hatfield

    I want more Stannis and Davos. Their relationship is interesting to me, and Dillane and Cunningham are great.

    Also, more Gendry with Arya, Jaqen with Arya, Tywin with Arya...really, just everyone needs more scenes with Arya.

    I liked that after Renly's death (which Managed to not be cheesy) we see that Loras is not fool enough ti think it was Brienne and that Margaery is not remotely bothered. Of course she has a pragmatic view of it.

    And poor, stupid Theon. He's thrown his lot in with people who don't like or respect him. I'm intrigued by his first mate though.

    April 29, 2012 at 11:24PM EST Reply to Comment
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      joel It's killing me that we're halfway through the season. I could easily have watched every scene in this ep go on for a couple minutes more. I don't think there was a single relationship in this episode that I didn't want to see developed further. Damn good TV!!!

      April 30, 2012 at 2:05AM EST
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      Tedd I know there are some serious time constraints in the TV series, but it would be great if they could add some stuff for the DVD release. Not whole new scenes or anything, but there could be some sort of director's cut of the episodes where they just give each character a little more dialogue in these scenes and let them breathe a little bit.

      I genuinely want to spend more time with these characters, even if they're just making plot-irrelevant small talk. Which is probably the mark of a good show.

      April 30, 2012 at 9:40AM EST
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      bbq_hax0r I want them to debate the same issues over and over again while hanging out on a farm for numerous episodes. BRING BACK DALE!

      April 30, 2012 at 9:10PM EST
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      Greg Grant BBQ, well, there is a House of the Undead in Qarth. So perhaps we'll come across Lori being all Lori in there, and Dany will go, "Is this... is this one of my possible futures? Can I truly become that annoying? Do I have to kill it with fire?"

      May 1, 2012 at 5:01AM EST
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    mrbilliam

    I'm a little surprised that the writers chose to do Renly's death at the beginning of an episode, rather than at the end, but they obviously really wanted to end last week's episode with the shadow monster birth scene.

    April 29, 2012 at 11:25PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Richard Crow That's one of the best parts about HBO. They'll do major events in the penultimate episodes. Or they'll throw plot twists at the beginnings of episodes. They don't have to structure things around commercials or typical season ending cliffhangers.

      The Sopranos and Wire always had times where something crazy would happen in the middle of an episode or in the middle of a season. It's a way of keeping the viewer on his or her toes. You never know when a character might meet his or her end in Game of Thrones.

      April 29, 2012 at 11:28PM EST
    • I don't like how they skipped the night in Renly's camp. Basically went from his death to the next morning, with Catelyn and Brienne already miles away. I thought they could have done some form of escape scene and bring some action to the show.

      April 29, 2012 at 11:33PM EST
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      joel I actually think this show is better off not wasting time on action scenes. Sure, it's exciting when they do have some action, but this show is getting incredible mileage out of the characters. Why not just enjoy that and quit complainingg? If you only crave action, go watch any silly movie opening in theaters for the next four months.

      April 30, 2012 at 2:08AM EST
    • You need to settle down there sparky. Making a tv show is more complex than just showing characters talk to each other. Otherwise you would be watching a day time soap opera. I fully enjoy the show, but just pointing out that weve gone 5 episodes of good character build up, and its starting to get to the point where we need to have something happen, like an action scene.

      I was just pointing out an opportunity where they could have added it in. You can't have a show where every character wields a sword, but they never show anyone fight with one.

      May 2, 2012 at 12:18AM EST
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      Muh You're complaining that there should be more action and fighting regarding the scene where a character sword fought two guys and killed them? Your reasoning is not what you think it is.

      May 21, 2012 at 8:58PM EST
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    Prettok

    I can't blame her for not wanting to be Mrs. Dany Ducksauce.

    April 29, 2012 at 11:38PM EST Reply to Comment
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    fresser28

    "It's Jim Rash as the warlock of Qarth!"

    Oh my God, I screamed "It's the Dean!" Heh.

    And cree-pee. Ugh.

    Loved your mention of that stupid NYT article, and how this episode put paid to the author's ridiculous assertion. Emilia Clarke, Maisie Williams, Gwendoline Christie and Michelle Fairley all killed tonight and kept me rapt throughout (however, I will cheer when (I hope)someone finally chops Cersei's head off - I hate both the character and Lena Headey's performance).

    April 29, 2012 at 11:46PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Jim

    Maybe it ultimately doesn't matter since Renley's army has basically folded into Stannis', but it seems odd that Catelyn Stark would have deicded to flee the scene of Renley's murder with the suspected murderer in tow. Given her position, wouldn't she want to make it clear that she had nothing to do with the attack? Doesn't running away like that convey the exact opposite impression?

    April 29, 2012 at 11:58PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Otto Man I had the same thought, but then I realized perhaps she knew that with Stannis coming, her presence in Renly's camp wouldn't go over well.

      April 30, 2012 at 12:06AM EST
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      Ilyrio Also given that Renly's men were just killed by something that was very much not the smoke monster. Not a good place to be for either her or Brienne to be.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:32AM EST
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      Sareeta Catelyn herself is a suspected murderer. Only she and Brienne were in that tent with Renly. I think she sees that Brienne was willing to die for Renly and she sees a bit of Arya in Brienne, so she wants to protect Brienne. But, yes, it does look suspicious for both suspects to run away.

      April 30, 2012 at 6:31AM EST
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      Benx2 Catelyn is mother who is desperately missing her daughters and Brienne never had a mother. There is a really interesting symbiosis going on between those two right now where I suspect they're going to each fill a role the other needs right now. I'm curious to see where it goes.

      April 30, 2012 at 10:07AM EST
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      louisjab Staying was too risky. There's the whole matter of whether or not Stannis would believe her (we know he would, but he would not acknowledge it), and she has no reason to stay there. She saw that Stannis is not the kind to negociate, and since it was Renly that guaranteed her safety, she better travel back to Robb's camp.

      Also, she just saw what was a man made of shadow kill Renly, I wouldn't want to stay around either.

      April 30, 2012 at 8:19PM EST
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      DavidW I imagine Stannis is going to expend just as much effort to track down "the real killers" as O.J. Simpson did...

      April 30, 2012 at 9:59PM EST
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    sukeyna

    This was another excellent episode, and my favorite scenes were the ones with Arya. Maisie Williams is doing fine work. She and Charles Dance were especially fantastic together.

    And thank you to TPTB for shirtless Gendry!

    April 30, 2012 at 12:25AM EST Reply to Comment
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      LJA +1 on shirtless Gendry. It almost makes up for the loss of Khal Drogo.

      April 30, 2012 at 2:16AM EST
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      Tedd Maisie is killing it this season (pun intended). I'd be shocked if it happened, but I really think she deserves a best supporting actress nod.

      All respect to Mad Men, but this is the best ensemble on TV. A few series (Breaking Bad especially) are better at the top, but no series has as deep and excellent a roster as Game of Thrones. Bold statement alert: Game of Thrones has the best ensemble since The Wire.

      April 30, 2012 at 9:48AM EST
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      mrbilliam is Maisie better than Kiernan Shipka?

      April 30, 2012 at 3:26PM EST
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      Tedd "Nod" as in nomination, not necessarily win. Though I wouldn't be upset if that happened either.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:18AM EST
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    bearcouch

    This show has so many fantastic child actors/characters. Arya's stare down with Tywin was legit.

    April 30, 2012 at 1:31AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Pizpot Gargravarr

    Not surprised that you didn't include the name of the charming criminal Alan, Jaqen H'ghar is a little harder to spell than Margaery. In any case I love the character already, and the further I get into this season the more I want them to focus on Arya's storyline. More Arya, more Gendry, more Jaqen, more Tywin- that's what I say.

    April 30, 2012 at 1:32AM EST Reply to Comment
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    geoff_rose

    "Anyone can be killed..."

    The truth cuts both ways, my lord:)

    April 30, 2012 at 1:42AM EST Reply to Comment
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      louisjab I thought that was the line from the show that Alan would use for this week's recap.

      April 30, 2012 at 8:29PM EST
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    Ilyrio

    Arya ended this episode smiling down at the corpse of a man for whose death she was directly responsible. Chilling. And tragic.

    April 30, 2012 at 2:11AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Pizpot Gargravarr I'm not sure that bringing about the death a man who tortured and murdered innocent civilians would weigh on her mind all that much under normal circumstances.

      April 30, 2012 at 2:33AM EST
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      Ilyrio Did you read that as a triumphant moment or something?

      The fact that she is a ten-year old girl who killed a man and it doesn't weigh on her mind is the tragedy.

      Poor, poor Arya.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:19AM EST
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      a @Ilyrio: This wasnt the first man she killed. Last season she killed the butchers boy with Needle

      April 30, 2012 at 4:24AM EST
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      Jenny The Hound killed the butcher's boy, who was Arya's friend. That is presumably why the Hound is included in Arya's death-wish list.

      April 30, 2012 at 8:54AM EST
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      darthzombie There was that boy she killed while escaping from the castle when all of the Stark soldiers were being killed...

      April 30, 2012 at 9:24AM EST
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      Ilyrio Yes, she did kill that boy. But she sure wasn't smiling about it.

      Sepinwall made a comment in a review that Brienne might be a possible outcome for Arya. I think the scarier truth is that she's likely to become the next Tywin.

      April 30, 2012 at 9:24AM EST
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      Pizpot Gargravarr All I'm saying is, this is a world where, in the first episode her own father, one of the most noble men in the kingdom, beheaded a man for running away from somewhere while his son (who is younger than Arya by the way) watched on. Westeros is a brutal place, and it is not particularly surprising how desensitized Arya- a wildchild, who is obsessed with knights and swordplay- is to death already.
      Also, that was the smallest smile I've ever seen, and I would say it was as much for the fact that she has just gained an ally who might be able to help her out of her increadibly dire circumstances. I certainly wouldn't say she was happy. If I was forced into the service of one of my families greatest enemies who could kill me at any time on a whim, and I met someone who could get away with murder right under their noses and who was on my side, I would probably be somewhat heartened myself.
      Yes there is much tragedy to her story, and if the mere act of killing brought her happiness then that would also be tragic, but I did not get that at all from this scene.

      April 30, 2012 at 2:16PM EST
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      Ilyrio @PIZPOT GARGRAVARR

      Yeah, I get where you're coming from now.

      It's just so sad to remember her outshooting Bran in the first episode and then watch how truly unhappy she's become. And knowing that it's probably not going to stop here. I just feel like more people were going "Woohoo Arya!" while I was shaking my head in dismay.

      May 1, 2012 at 1:56AM EST
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      Pizpot Gargravarr Mmm, it is depressing that the best thing that's happened to her in a while is that someone killed a torturer for her. Despite what's happened to her I still have hope that she won't totally lose her moral compass though- at least by Westeros standards.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:52AM EST
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      Pizpot Gargravarr It would make me unhappy if my favourite character became dead inside.

      May 1, 2012 at 5:54AM EST
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      Cal To Jenny - Um, how would we know who else is on Arya's list?

      May 3, 2012 at 1:05PM EST
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    Andy

    "Wonder if this guy's also into furries."

    WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?

    April 30, 2012 at 2:22AM EST Reply to Comment
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      aamadis Yes. Why? Please to not be mentioning the furries if you are not actually talking about furries. Some people are lookng for furry talk and now they will be disappointed.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:45AM EST
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    Michael G.

    1) Not to be "that guy," but it's Benjen, not Benjin.
    2) I know Margaery is annoying to spell, but the nickname "Mags" belongs to the Bennett matriarch.
    3) I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw Rash as Pyat Pree.

    April 30, 2012 at 3:43AM EST Reply to Comment
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      aamadis This. I was so confused for a second, imagining Margo Martindale offering Littlefinger some "apple pie." I'd rather you just spelled Margaery wrong than make up a nickname that is never used in the show, or the books for that matter.

      Oops. i mentioned the books. Don't hurt me.

      April 30, 2012 at 3:52AM EST
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      belinda Yeah. When I see Mags, I think Justified.

      April 30, 2012 at 4:35AM EST
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      cappndave Also Benjen wasn't in this episode at all. I think Alan has Qhorin Halfhand confused with missing Benjen Stark.

      May 1, 2012 at 11:19AM EST
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      cappndave whoops, never mind. after reading that paragraph again, it seems the only person confused was me.

      May 1, 2012 at 11:26AM EST
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    belinda

    "It's Jim Rash as the warlock of Qarth!"

    Heh. Damn, I hate you Fienberg. Now I will never not think of him as anything but.

    As for the lack of boobies, well, at least we got an attractive upper male peek, courtesy of Gendry.

    April 30, 2012 at 4:33AM EST Reply to Comment
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