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Press tour: 'The Office' plans for life without Steve Carell

Paul Lieberstein on the succession plan, possible candidates, and other stories for the new season.

<p>"The Office" producer/co-star Paul Lieberstein had a lot to say about how the show will move on without Steve Carell.</p>

"The Office" producer/co-star Paul Lieberstein had a lot to say about how the show will move on without Steve Carell.

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Though he's best-known to fans of "The Office" as ineffectual human resources rep Toby Flenderson, Paul Lieberstein's more important job is as the executive producer responsible for the series' creative direction and day-to-day operations. This year, Lieberstein and "Office" developer Greg Daniels will be responsible for handling the show's biggest challenge: writing out Steve Carell, and choosing someone to fill Michael Scott's chair.

I talked to Lieberstein at NBC's press tour party about how it will work story-wise, whether he'd prefer an internal or external successor and who the internal candidates are. We also looked back on this past season (Lieberstein was fonder of it than I was) and looked ahead to some other upcoming storylines, including a guest arc for Timothy Olyphant from "Justified." Various mild season seven spoilers coming up after the jump...

Obvious question first: what, if anything, can you tell me about how you're going to deal with the Michael issue this year?

Well, you've got your Michael issue and you've got your Steve issue. The Michael issue is nothing but positive. We've got a chance to take a character and bring him through his final year on the show, and exit him - a character like Michael Scott. It's nothing but incredibly exciting. We don't have to do some season reset, we don't have to do fake jeopardy, we don't have to come up with some cliffhanger that ends up leading us into the same show we did before it. Things change. To be on the show as it grows is great.

Yeah, it's going to be hard to do a show without Steve. But if NBC came to me and said, "Develop a show for Ed Helms," I'd be thrilled. I think he's amazing, and obviously he's a film star. And I'd feel the same way about Rainn Wilson. If they told me to do a romance about John Krasinski and Jenna Fischer, I'd be thrilled. And we've got 'em all. We've got such a deep bench that we're going to be all right.

Have you and Greg decided who it's going to be?

No. We have a plan, and the plan allows for a number of possibilities to present themselves.

Both internal and external?

Yeah. We're going to try to replace Michael Scott in a way that he would be replaced on the show, where they would search for someone new. And we will do it on air.

What's Kathy Bates' availability now that she's doing the new show ("Harry's Law") for NBC?

She is making herself available when she can. It's not great availability. It's pretty grueling for the hour-long shows. So it'll be rough.

So can I ask you, when you first realized this was going to be happening, regardless of where you're going now, was your first inclination, "We need to promote from within" or "We need to bring someone in from the outside"?

I definitely felt promote from within. That was my first thing. Every once in a while, a name is floated in to us, and we have to consider it. We get some big names floated, agents call, and then we're called. I don't want to replace Steve Carell. I don't think there is replacing Steve Carell. So the easiest way to do that is to keep what we have. But I also want to stay true to the company. I want to know what Dunder-Mifflin would do. I think they would take a good look at who's there, who's capable. They might try someone. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't. They might bring in someone from the outside first, and maybe that will work and maybe it won't. I think a lot of our answers on the show, when we're confused about what to do, come from trying to protect the honesty of the show.

Looking back over last season, how do you feel it went?

Last season? I think we had a strong season. How did you feel?

I think there were parts of it where there were some story ideas where you didn't follow through as much as you could. For instance, Jim and Michael switching jobs - that was half of an episode. I could have seen two or three out of that for instance.

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Yeah. I see that. We could have mined that more.

It seemed like there were a couple of different big story ideas and you bounced from one to another. Was it a case of, "We've taken the bankruptcy story as far as we want to, and now we're going to do this, and now we're going to do this," or did something else get in the way?

Bankruptcy got pretty depressing, and we also saw a leveling out of the depression, and we felt that we could level things out at Dunder-Mifflin as well. They were bought by a company that makes sense. It was a printer company that wanted their sales arm. It felt like a white knight came in and it was appropriate. Jim as the boss wasn't quite as fun as Jim as the prankster. So we pulled back from that.

And how do you feel the company is different with Sabre in charge than with old Dunder-Mifflin corporate?

Well, what we have is - which I think is super-fun and I don't think we've really mined yet - is this really weak supervisor in Gabe. He has no personal strength, even though he has the authority. And that dynamic, I find very funny. I think we've got to bring that out more. So I like that. And then, when we brought in Kathy Bates, we talked about a lower-level Ross Perot. That's a fun character, and things can happen a little more emotionally. She can get a little bit angrier, whereas before everyone was corporate.

And you've moved Darryl upstairs. Was that a case of Craig being a little more available now, or you had a specific idea in mind?

We do. Craig's one of the candidates for coming up and being manager.

I think that would be kind of fantastic, actually. That way, you don't have to move anyone else out of a role they've been in for a long time. And yet you don't have to bring in someone from the outside. And everybody likes Darryl.

Everybody loves Darryl, he's hysterical. Yeah. Everybody just wants more of him.

So we're going to find out relatively early that Michael is leaving?

No. People in the real world know, but it doesn't feel real to me that you know you're going to leave a job in a year - at least a job like that. Maybe a senator knows he's going to leave in a year. Again, we'll try to respect the world.

In the finale, there's talk of Michael getting back with Holly, and there have been reports about Amy Ryan. What's her availability for this year?

We got her back for an arc. And then I expect it will play into Michael leaving.

That seems like the only nice ending Michael could get. But since we're not going to get into that for a while, what are some of the stories from this year you can tell me about?

In our premiere, we deal with nepotism. Michael hires his nephew. He's not the most conscientious worker. We deal with the office dynamic about that. Timothy Olyphant's going to come, and he's going to play this salesman who is just kind of a threat to Dunder-Mifflin. He's fantastic. He ends up beating out Michael, Dwight and Jim together, and selling at higher prices. So they do a little bit of a sting: they set up a fake company to try to figure out how he sells so well. Michael is going to come in with a cold sore one day, and he's going to learn that that's a form of herpes, and he's going to feel that he has to contact every woman he's ever been with and let them know that he has herpes.

Speaking of salesmen, it occurs to me: is Dave Koechner at all in play? Could Todd Packer come in from the field and be put in charge of the branch?

Absolutely. He's a name that the network has brought up. He's not being talked about the most.

Ultimately, who decides this? Is it you and Greg or is it the network?

The network has been very supportive. We've presented a case for what we wanted to do, and they said okay, and then we changed our minds. And then we presented another case, and they said okay. As long as we let 'em know what we're doing and bring them into the fold, they've been very supportive.

You said before that Jim as a boss was not as much fun as Jim as the prankster. In general, how did you feel Jim and Pam, now that they're a well-established couple, were working within the framework of the show this past year?

We will not write them as a TV couple that has TV fights and TV tribulations. So we're left with digging out some real stuff for them to play, and sometimes it's a struggle. The little stories that a husband and wife don't always have a beginning, middle and end like someone chasing someone. But we still find little colors. I'm married. There are some other writers who are married, and we dig into our own relationships. "Everybody Loves Raymond" found great stories for a married couple that wasn't about cheating, and we can too.

Speaking of cheating, Michael got into an affair and made someone else the cuckold, and there was Scott's Tots - there were a few episodes where Michael's behavior was about as far as you could take it. Not that you'll have to worry about it much longer, but what do you see as the line past which you as the guardian of the show will not take Michael Scott?

(he laughs) I'll take him anywhere where I can get him to feel he's doing the right thing. I think with Scott's Tots, when he promised them college, he believed he could give them college. He just couldn't get out of it. And he was wrong with that affair with Donna. He stayed a little too long, but he came around. I don't know, I'm always looking for new places to take him.

Alright, you want a line I won't cross? Here's a line I won't cross: Michael hits Toby in the parking lot accidentally with his car, and Toby's very hurt, and he gets a tire iron out of his car, and he walks towards him with it raised to finish him off, and then as he approaches, he sees the camera and he drops the tire iron behind his back. We talked about this for a while; we won't cross that line. He will not consider murder.

Well, if you're still looking for places to take him, and some people have suggested...

Well, I think we've found some really cool places to take him this year. "Some people have suggested" what?

Well, people have suggested that when Steve leaves, the show should end, since he's the star of the show. Do you feel that maybe bringing in someone new, or promoting someone to a new level of responsibility maybe gives the show a second life this late in its run?

I do. I agree with that. I won't say it's the best thing that can happen to the show, with Steve Carell leaving. You're insane. You're an insane person if you say that. But I do feel like a whole new level of story pitching opens up.

Former "The Office" writer - and sometime guest star as Mose Schrute - and current "Parks and Recreation" showrunner Mike Schur interrupts to mock his old friend Lieberstein.

Tell me about Mose returning. I hear Mose comes back.


Mose does come back this year!

Schur insists, "Give him the big news."

The big news is that Mose is a candidate for replacing Michael Scott.

Schur, enjoying the joke, asks, "Just a candidate?"

I would say the leading candidate. Dwight's put in charge of picking a successor, and he picks his cousin Mose because he's not a threat. So Mose is in charge. First thing Mose does is to fire Dwight. He's like, "I'm tired of working on your farm for so long."

Schur: "The whole thing is a long con. Mose is super-smart, and like a brilliant criminal mastermind. So putting him in charge leads to big trouble."

Alan Sepinwall may be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com

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Alan Sepinwall has been reviewing television since the mid-'90s, first for Tony Soprano's hometown paper, The Star-Ledger, and now for HitFix. His new book, "The Revolution Was Televised," about the last 15 years of TV drama, is for sale at Amazon. He can be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com

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    Jack

    That Mose idea would be hilarious.

    'Last season? I think we had a strong season.'
    Sigh. HIMYM's on the way back up, Office continues its downward spiral.

    'Craig's one of the responsibilities for coming up and being manager.'
    In the spirit of Hung's episode titles… "Typo?" or "That Sentence Makes No Sense to Me".

    July 31, 2010 at 2:52AM EST Reply to Comment
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      sepinwall Bad typo. Fixed.

      July 31, 2010 at 2:59AM EST
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    SWG

    It read to me that early on in the interview he admitted they were grooming Ed Helms to replace Michael and then caught himself and tried to dilute it by bringing up Rainn, John and Jenna.

    July 31, 2010 at 6:21AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Not aldi

    Is season 8 definitely happening? I kind of want the show to end, and the major character leaving seems like a good time. Prove me wrong, kids. Prove me wrong.

    July 31, 2010 at 6:32AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Col Bat Guano Season 8 is definitely happening. Since Carell doesn't leave until the end of this season, the ratings should still be strong and there is absolutely no way NBC or the producers of the show are going to end it in some noble tribute to "artistic integrity". I'm hoping they are really thinking through a long term arc and not going to the scattershot approach that made last season the worst of the series by far.

      July 31, 2010 at 11:07AM EST
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    Paul

    It's going to be Rob Lowe's character from Parks.

    July 31, 2010 at 8:27AM EST Reply to Comment
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    velocityknown

    The Timothy Olyphant storyline sounds pretty great, but if the whole herpes thing actually comes to fruition the show will have officially jumped the shark because that just sounds stupid. One of the problems with this show last season they're not trying to make these characters humor come out in the same way anymore.

    @Jack
    Yeah, Lieberstein is in denial, he's a good director, but appears to be a bad show runner and definitely has not filled the shoes of Michael Schur and Greg Daniels.

    I'm tired of this "promote from within" speculation. If the producers have any ounce of logic they'd do an external hire because one of the problems is that we've seen almost everything we can from these characters. Lieberstein said "Jim the manager wasn't as fun as Jim the Prankster", well that's well and good, except for Jim pulled like two pranks on Dwight this year? At least Jim the manager was original and I got some newer laughs out of it rather than the same old thing.

    I could go on a lot longer about my problems with The Office right now which, unlike the HIMYM Bays/Carter interview, has upset me even more now. But I'll just end with saying what I think every Office fan should want and that is for the show to end with dignity with Steve Carrell leaving. Yes, it's a great ensemble, but they're built around him. Scrubs didn't work without Zach Braff, 30 Rock wouldn't work without Tina Fey, etc, the point is just because there is a strong ensemble doesn't mean the show could sustain itself when the star leaves.

    July 31, 2010 at 8:28AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Rondo9 Exactly. Would Cheers have worked had Ted Danson left? I don't think so.

      Not to compare That 70's show to The Office but that shows 7th season, Grace and Kutcher left and they tried it without them in season 8 and it was horrendous and got canceled. Expecting the same thing here

      July 31, 2010 at 10:22AM EST
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      JanieJones I have to agree with Velocity and Jack. I have a sense of foreboding after reading this interview. I think this should be a strong, final season to the give the cast and Carell a proper send-off.

      Speaking of external candidates-I would love to see Jason Bateman - I can dream!

      Just the thought of Olyphant coming in (even for a an episode) made me weak in the knees.

      July 31, 2010 at 10:39AM EST
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      velocityknown Olyphant and Ryan seem to be the most promising things about this season. I thought that Michael Schur and Greg Daniels might spare some good ideas for their former show, but I guess they're just going to watch Lieberstein beat it to death with bad 'herpes' plots that are sure to feature the return of Melora Hardin (Jan Levinson) who certainly does not need to be seen again.

      July 31, 2010 at 10:48PM EST
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      LJA Cosign. Lieberstein thinking they had a strong season last year is not a good sign for the future. Sorry, Toby.

      Velocityknown - Much to my dismay, I read on Melora Hardin's twitter feed that Jan IS coming back next season. Sigh.

      August 1, 2010 at 2:20PM EST
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    TomC

    I actually enjoyed last season of The Office. Not saying every episode was great, but there was a lot I really liked and what I didn't wasn't mtoo bad.

    With that said I think this upcoming season should be the one to finish things. I can appreciate there is scope to go in a different direction with a new boss and new storylines. But its a risk for sure, and I think they'd find themselves taking The Office beyond its natural life.

    Steve Carell is leaving so Michael's storyline will be tied up. The other main arc of the show, that of Jim and Pam's relationship, had its real emotional climax last year too. While I'm happy to see more of them in their new family life, one more year would be enough.

    July 31, 2010 at 10:32AM EST Reply to Comment
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    TomC

    I actually enjoyed last season of The Office. Not saying every episode was great, but there was a lot I really liked and what I didn't wasn't mtoo bad.

    With that said I think this upcoming season should be the one to finish things. I can appreciate there is scope to go in a different direction with a new boss and new storylines. But its a risk for sure, and I think they'd find themselves taking The Office beyond its natural life.

    Steve Carell is leaving so Michael's storyline will be tied up. The other main arc of the show, that of Jim and Pam's relationship, had its real emotional climax last year too. While I'm happy to see more of them in their new family life, one more year would be enough.

    July 31, 2010 at 10:32AM EST Reply to Comment
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    Col Bat Guano

    Alan, did you get the sense that Paul Lieberstein really thought last year was great or was he just trying to put a good face on what appears to be a transitional year from Daniels/Schurr to his authority? It concerns me that he has a rationalization for the Scott's Tots episode and fails to recognize the many of the story arcs felt like good writer's room ideas that were never fleshed out. Jim as manager could have been funny if they had gone further than "Jim isn't very good at it." Since it is a given that the show will go on at least for Season 8, I'm hoping the writers and producers are thinking about longer term stories. Michael's leaving should hopefully take care of some of that.

    July 31, 2010 at 11:13AM EST Reply to Comment
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      Truck Yeah, don't most shows figure out that something isn't going to work while they're, I don't know, writing, reading, shooting, and editing? And the Kathy Bates subplot is just going to basically go away now? They had the potential to do something creative with Sabre buying out Dunder Mifflin and closing every branch but Stanton, but it seems like that plot is going to piddle out too.

      July 31, 2010 at 5:38PM EST
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      Col Bat Guano I'm sort of afraid that they've already missed their chance to mine the Sabre story. They easily could have filled the last third of the season fleshing out the transition from Dunder Mifflin to Sabre, but decided to concentrate on the lame "Michael dates a married woman" plot instead. That was a real chance to concentrate on office related stories instead of the relationship stuff that has cluttered up the show the last two seasons.

      July 31, 2010 at 6:05PM EST
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    Marcy

    Without Steve Carell, there is no Office.

    July 31, 2010 at 12:06PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Mario You should tell that to Gervais, I'm sure he'd get a good laugh.

      Carrell is a great actor who tweaked a role that was already created before him. He is not an integral part of the show.

      July 31, 2010 at 1:05PM EST
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      Troll The british office is just awfull.
      gervais is awfull too.
      NOT FUNNY.

      July 31, 2010 at 2:07PM EST
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      Col Bat Guano Well, that's an opinion.

      July 31, 2010 at 5:59PM EST
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    ian

    Wow are you guys serious? That is the worst idea ive ever heard, putting mose in charge. He's a hillbilly that works on dwights farm, he doesnt work in an office or have a financial background thats just absolutely retarded. The show should clearly end without carell, and im a big fan. Honestly go for it though, do whatever stupid ideas you want because guaranteed its gettign cancelled after 1 season without Carell. Like putting darrel in charge is really dumb too. HE IS FROM THE WAREHOUSE, he is not a branch manager, what universe is this in? Quit while your ahead the story lines were getting stretched anyways and now your going to try to keep going without the main reason people tune in. GOOD LUCK. your gona need it.

    July 31, 2010 at 1:01PM EST Reply to Comment
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      Andrew facepalm

      July 31, 2010 at 3:25PM EST
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      velocityknown Um yeah, if you read the article you'll be able to tell that the idea of putting Mose in charge was clearly a joke ("Schur, enjoying the joke...").
      Not only is this clearly a joke but if they were serious it would require Michael Schur leaving his job as showrunner at Parks and Rec, also making that impossible (if it were a remotely true idea).

      Daryl, while the promotion wouldn't lead to many laughs, isn't an unrealistic idea seeing as he was promoted up to the white collar division this year after coming up with a way to save Sabre lots of money and expedite their shipping. Plus he was the warehouse foreman and it's not like Michael was qualified for the managerial position.

      July 31, 2010 at 10:46PM EST
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    Troll

    Only Todd packer can bring Michael Scott type chaos to the office. Todd pack for michnaels replacement ! or just end the show. its been really dull the last 2 seasons, and pam and jim a fun young couple running into having a baby is the worst thing the shows ever done. (and I hate the babys name)

    July 31, 2010 at 2:05PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Ken Raining

    I thought it funny that Paul seemed genuinely surprised that people didn't like last season. Does he live in a bubble, or is he really Toby?

    The cold sore thing made my eyes roll. Alan, did you just have to smile and nod? I've no hope that next season will be any better.

    July 31, 2010 at 4:43PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Truck

    " I want to know what Dunder-Mifflin would do. "

    Did I miss something, or is Dunder Mifflin basically that one branch? How in the world could he wonder what Dunder Mifflin would do? The character he plays is literally a tenth of the company.

    July 31, 2010 at 5:41PM EST Reply to Comment
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      mike You missed something. A lot.

      July 31, 2010 at 7:39PM EST
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    james13

    My moneys is on Ed Helms. I'm guessing NBC will want a "face" for the show and it seems like he has the biggest industry presence outside the show.

    August 1, 2010 at 3:13PM EST Reply to Comment
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    Kujo

    I had no idea Toby was the executive producer of the show.

    Making Darryl manager would be the best bet. Craig Robinson is hilarious, and was underused last season. It would infuse much needed life into this show.

    Last season was weak, highlighted by that pointless ``clips`` episode.

    I think either Dwight or Jim will become boss. Bringing in an outsider would be a mistake. That being said, this show should end once Carell leaves.

    August 1, 2010 at 9:43PM EST Reply to Comment

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