Press Tour: 'Community' stars and Dan Harmon on high-concept shows, Abed, relationships and more
A funny, thoughtful panel from one of TV's best comedies
The cast of "Community" and creator Dan Harmon came to press tour.
The cast of "Community" (minus Chevy Chase, who wasn't feeling well) and creator Dan Harmon rolled into press tour at the end of a long day, near the end of long tour, immediately following a panel for "Harry's Law" that sucked all the energy out of the room. Fortunately, when you have one of the smartest, most tightly-knit, genuinely funniest ensembles on TV, as well as a creator who has thought at great length about every detail and layer of his show and can articulate that to you, you get a session lively enough to overcome both general tour fatigue and the particular brand of despair that the "Harry's Law" panel(*) gave us.
(*) I'll explain a little more about that in my review of the show in a day or two, but it mostly involved David E. Kelley sounding eminently reasonable as he described a vastly different show from the one any of us had seen.
Some highlights from the panel after the jump, and in the very last paragraph I'll include Harmon's teases of a few upcoming stories, so you can stop reading before then if you don't want to know...
Unsurprisingly, a lot of the talk in the panel centered around the difference between the show's more high-concept episodes (paintball, zombies, space, conspiracy thriller) and the slightly more traditional episodes. Harmon said that he doesn't try to create different script drawers labeled "conceptual episodes" and "normal episodes" - "Because, God forbid, we'd never be making a normal episode of anything" - but did acknowledge, "I probably shouldn’t have done a spaceship episode two episodes away from a zombie movie for Halloween," both because it tired everyone out and because they blew a lot of the budget on those shows. (So for fans of "normal episodes," you're going to be seeing a whole lot of them in the season's second half.)
After Joel McHale pointed out that "a lot of character stuff happens" in the conceptual episodes (Jeff sleeping with Britta in the paintball show, or Abed and Jeff coming to understand each other better in the chicken fingers episode), I asked the actors if it was any more difficult to find the reality in their characters when they're doing episodes involving zombies or runaway space simulators.
"If anything, it maybe even makes us connect more with our characters," Alison Brie said, "because you are seeing how they would react in this kind of situation. You kind of connect more with them when they are in a moment of crisis or something that seems so weird that they maybe wouldn’t
In general, the cast understands their characters much better now than at the start. Gillian Jacobs recalled a scene in the series pilot where everyone is yelling at everyone else, and no one knew quite what to say, so much of the dialogue was looped in later.
"But at this point," she explained, "we could do an entire episode of improv’d, loud argument at each other. And so when you are that much more comfortable with your dynamic as a group and your
character as an individual, it’s not so hard to have a really human moment in the midst of a conceptual episode."
There was also, unsurprisingly, a lot of talk about Abed and the role he plays in a show that's so much about pop culture.
"I know why I like Abed," Donald Glover said. "It allows us to say, 'We know you're not stupid, audience.' We all know how TV works. None of us are gonna die... These people can't get together. We’ve seen enough TV to know how it works. Abed allows us to do those things anyway and still feel fresh."
Harmon talked about how many ensembles have a "shamanic" character, citing Reverend Jim on "Taxi," Gonzo on "The Muppet Show" and Snoopy in "Peanuts."
"It’s like there’s some character that’s got one foot in and one foot out (of reality), and even though it’s counter-intuitive, that can rivet you (to reality). It makes Charlie Brown more real to have a dog that can go in his doghouse, and then you hear billiard balls. How big is that doghouse? For him to go off and fight the Red Baron in some vivid fantasy that only he is experiencing, it just makes you really realize that the football is really being yanked away from Charlie Brown when Snoopy is not around."
There was talk about the show's sentimental streak - "I will always be the first to admit the recipe for 'Community,' out of all of the NBC shows, has the highest percentage of sap to make it taste right," said Harmon - and McHale noted that because there's so much of that each week, and because the writers aren't afraid to undercut the pathos with jokes, the show is never in danger of doing A Very Special Episode.
"There's all these tender moments that Dan's able to buy back if he needs to," he said, and Harmon joked, "I’ll just go through (a script), and I’ll go, 'Okay, that’s, like, a full page with no laughs,' and I’ll just drop in a pop culture reference halfway down: 'Mark Ruffalo' (farting noise)."
Glover also framed the Troy/Abed friendship in a different way than many people think of it: "Troy and Abed's relationship can be kind of tragic sometimes. (Abed's) not going to ever reciprocate. He doesn't really understand what's going on with a lot of the feelings I have, which is why they're the perfect match. He's very robotic, I'm very emotional, I don't know much, he knows a lot."
Harmon also acknowledged that he and his cast and crew probably think about the show much more deeply than many of the people who watch it, and that he never wants it to become so layered that it's impenetrable.
"I don’t want to presume that somebody is that invested in the show," he said. "I want to give somebody the right to eat a toasted cheese sandwich and watch it with half of their brain if that’s their jam. Did I say that?"
And finally (stop reading at this point, spoiler-phobes), Harmon previewed a couple of upcoming episodes. One involves the study group playing Dungeons & Dragons for the whole episode - "There's no elements of, like, you see them in the woods, running around and swinging swords. They are sitting at a table, playing Dungeons & Dragons" - with Abed (naturally) as the dungeon master. Another takes place entirely away from the Greendale campus and is set in a hospital, where Pierce is a patient for some reason. ("It’s shot in a different way. It makes it a completely different experience from a normal episode of the show.")
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Login or create a HitFix account Login SignupZach L
January 14, 2011 at 12:07PM EST Reply to CommentGreat recap, sounds like this was one of the best panels. Should fans worry it hasn't been picked up for another season yet or do you think that's just a formality?
Brad I don't think we'll hear anything until the Kabletown deal goes through. I'm not worried. Well, maybe a little worried.
January 14, 2011 at 12:12PM ESTBrad
January 14, 2011 at 12:10PM EST Reply to CommentI am in total platonic love with this show.
Actually, if this show wants to get to second base with me, that'd be cool too.
belinda Get in line, Brad. :D
January 14, 2011 at 6:19PM ESTbelinda At this point, they could do an entire episode with no sound, and it would be awesome.
January 14, 2011 at 6:21PM ESTGreg M. Heck, Joss Whedon famously did a silent episode--and pulled it off marvelously--with "Hush," generally ranked as one of the best episodes of "Buffy"...
January 15, 2011 at 1:23AM EST
January 14, 2011 at 12:11PM EST Reply to CommentI'm quite looking forward to the D&D episode. The IT Crowd did one last year that was pretty funny.
I was also happy to find out that The IT Crowd's Richard Ayoade is directing an upcoming episode. Shame he's not able to appear on to show himself due to legal issues.
Dan richard ayoade is directing an episode? awesome
January 14, 2011 at 4:51PM ESTdean lerner is one of my favourite tv characters ever
whats the legal reasons?
I think there was a UN resolution preventing him from appearing on TV with Joel McHale, lest something as toxic as the American IT Crowd pilot be produced again.
January 14, 2011 at 5:14PM ESTPotatoSolution I have no doubts that the D&D episode will be entertaining, but as someone who actually plays D&D, I will be very interested to see whether they even come close to accurately showing how the game is actually played.
January 14, 2011 at 7:05PM ESTI'm sure I'll be here in the comments section after that show airs to bore everyone with everything they get right and wrong.
From Harmon's Twitter: "Sorry, bad news: Ayoade can't be IN the episode he's shooting due to international red tape. I agree this is criminal. But he's directing."
January 14, 2011 at 7:28PM ESThttp://twitter.com/#!/danharmon/status/25530817312727040
Liz
January 14, 2011 at 12:25PM EST Reply to CommentI wish he'd given some insight regarding what they'll do on the show after this year. From my understanding, community colleges last only two years, so I'm curious where they will go with this show.
Liz By he, I mean Dan Harmon.
January 14, 2011 at 12:26PM ESTsepinwall Harmon's answered this many times before. It's a misconception about community colleges, many of which started offering four-year degrees a long time ago.
January 14, 2011 at 12:36PM ESTSomeone asked in the session what they do after season four, and after Gillian and Donald noted that most of them are bad students ("Troy has a pillow in his backpack!"), Dan said that they would deal with that to an extent in upcoming episodes, but also that the question of what to do for season five is a problem he should be so lucky to have.
Jordan There's no time limit on community college attendance. Yes, most people go there for a two year degree, but some community colleges offer four-year programs, and some students just take a long time to get the required credits. I know one person who went to community college for almost 6 years (Bachelors degree, and he only took a minimum number of classes per semester).
January 14, 2011 at 12:49PM ESTPlus, there's nothing that says 1 season of the show has to equal 1 academic year.
So basically, there's a lot of room to work with, and there's no reason to worry about how many "years" they're going to be at Greendale.
sam Also, wasnt season one just a semester?
January 14, 2011 at 1:57PM ESTjenfullmoon I deal with transfer transcripts in my work. People take many, many, many years to actually graduate/transfer out of community college. 2 years is only done by the ambitious and unencumbered, I suspect.
January 14, 2011 at 2:04PM ESTScheer_Power Sam- Season 1 was two semesters. Spanish 101 went from the pilot to the Christmas episode, and Spanish "One-o-Dos" went from the Jack Black episode to the second to last episode.
January 14, 2011 at 2:49PM ESTjlrepka FWIW -- (don't tell anyone I told you this) I attended a 2-year community college in CA for 7 years (mostly part-time) before transferring. I did go on to get a PhD and now teach at a CC, so it's not even a sign of failure to spend more than the allotted time.
January 14, 2011 at 3:40PM ESTDespite the "high-school-with-ashtrays" depiction of the institution, the most real thing about the show is the diversity of the student body, not just ethnically but in age and station in life.
Manton
January 14, 2011 at 12:35PM EST Reply to CommentWrite a comment...
Manton
January 14, 2011 at 12:37PM EST Reply to CommentHmmmm...which hospital-based show are they going to take the tone of? I'm guessing ER first, then House, Grey's, with Chicago Hope somewhere near the end of the pack.
John Cuckoo's Nest.
January 14, 2011 at 1:27PM ESTWatt Defark St Elsewhere would be cool
January 14, 2011 at 4:00PM EST
I almost wonder if it will be a "Diving Bell and the Butterfly"-style stationary camera episode from Pierce's perspective. Crazy theory, but it could be cool.
January 20, 2011 at 11:59PM ESTShitegeist
January 14, 2011 at 2:09PM EST Reply to CommentThey're not in danger of doing A Very Special Episode? "Mixology Certification" came bloody close.
sepinwall No, it was just a different flavor of the show. Felt like an episode of Taxi, which is what Harmon was going for.
January 14, 2011 at 2:26PM ESTmgrabois
January 14, 2011 at 2:12PM EST Reply to CommentAlison Brie said "But at this point, we could do an entire episode of improv’d, loud argument at each other..."
There's no way the network would let that happen, but it would be awesome. Give them some plot points and some timing cues ("we want X to happen in the first 10 minutes") and let them run.
sepinwall Gillian Jacobs said that, but yes, it would be awesome.
January 14, 2011 at 2:25PM EST
My favorite scene on the show are the "Shit hits the fan" argument scenes they have in the study room.
January 19, 2011 at 11:21AM ESTLogan Waters
January 14, 2011 at 2:13PM EST Reply to CommentAnyone know the ratings status for Community?
Read an article awhile back which indicated that they were not wonderful. I'd hate to see one of my faves in trouble...
Brendan
January 14, 2011 at 2:16PM EST Reply to CommentOh man I want to see that D&D episode. I love the crazy high concept stuff, but my favorite Community scenes are always the ones where the characters are stuck in a room arguing out a problem (yes, I loved the pen episode) so I think the fact that they had to scale back and go light on the wackiness can only be a good thing for this crew.
Erik Yes, that will be awesome. It'll be kind of like watching the Christmas Special, but seeing them around the table talking about the adventure instead of going in the stop-motion animation.
January 14, 2011 at 2:49PM ESTThe recapper at the A.V. Club said that it would be awesome to watch the other side of that episode, and I think D&D will bring it close.
the minister I wish I had a pen-stealing monkey in my ductwork.
January 16, 2011 at 11:46AM ESTXK
January 14, 2011 at 2:18PM EST Reply to CommentSuch a great show. Thanks for the recap!
Claire
January 14, 2011 at 3:05PM EST Reply to CommentThanks for the recap! I love this show so much and am so excited for it to come back.
January 14, 2011 at 3:08PM EST Reply to Comment"Harmon also acknowledged that he and his cast and crew probably think about the show much more deeply than many of the people who watch it, and that he never wants it to become so layered that it's impenetrable."
I don't think this is all that true. The fans of this show that I know are very serious, committed fans, and not casual watchers.
We care, Dan!
matt s yes but you also want it to run for four years at least so that you can be syndicated across the country at odd times---for instance My Name Is Earl was running here in NYC at 7:30 In The Morning(!!!) throughout last year---for whatever reason that was the time that the local channel that had the rights to it chose to ran it---It'd be nice to see if Community can also have that kind of watch anytime without really worrying about the backround status should it manage to hit syndication (which i like to think it could)
January 14, 2011 at 10:08PM ESTDB Cooper
January 14, 2011 at 3:27PM EST Reply to CommentCarlos the Dwarf!
Micha
January 14, 2011 at 4:32PM EST Reply to CommentExcellent article, Alan. I love this show so much. It is one part-smart writing, one part-perfect casting, one part-emotional resonance and one part-pure delightful wimsy mixed and baked at 350 until the crust is golden brown and gives you that feeling you have spent the half hour with friends you cared about, while laughing at the things in life should be laughed at.
Rick
January 15, 2011 at 2:20PM EST Reply to CommentI actually would love to see a Very Special Episode of Community. Or rather, I would love to see a high-concept, reference-as-many-very-special-episodes-and-Lifetime-movies episode of Community.
I am also waiting for a Troy & Abed 'Perfect Strangers' episode.
Ed W
January 15, 2011 at 9:00PM EST Reply to CommentFun write-up. My main takeaway: Snoopy's doghouse was the original Tardis.
As to the issue of normal vs special episodes, the thing is the "normal" episodes of this show were already very loopy. So it's not like people are asking them to suddenly become dry and boring.
I just hope they can get away from the bad habit of having them all travel around in a pack. Episodes like the Kevin Corrigan/Blanket fort ep that gave people different projects work better.
fritanga
January 19, 2011 at 1:05PM EST Reply to CommentWell, thank God - Harmon will actually be playing to his strengths during the last half of this season. I'm glad they blew their wad with that ridiculous Christmas episode - it means they'll actually have to write things more like last year's great Christmas episode. And while I'm depressed that Richard Ayoade won't be in an episode (his Moss from The IT Crowd was definitely a jumping off point for Abed's character), I'm beyond excited that he's directing one. Dean Learner/Thornton Reed! Saboo! Moss! So excited, and I credit McHale with spiriting him over the ocean.
-C
January 21, 2011 at 11:41AM EST Reply to CommentLinked to this article in a blog post here:
http://hackslashmaster.blogspot.com/2011/01/d-community-episode.html
Thanks! Love your blog