'Mad Men' - 'Public Relations': Ho-Ho, ho
Don adjusts to a new firm and a new personal life in the season four premiere.
Jon Hamm as Don Draper in "Mad Men."
A new season of “Mad Men” is finally here, and I’m really damn happy to be talking about the show again. For those of you joining us late, you can find all of my reviews of the first three seasons at my old blog, and you can find my interview with “Mad Men” creator Matthew Weiner about the events of the season four premiere, “Public Relations,” right here.
A review and spoilers galore for “Public Relations,” coming up just as soon as I have a lot of tsuris with Lucy and Desi...
“It was going great... until it wasn’t.” -Peggy
“Public Relations” picks up about 11 months after the events of “Shut the Door. Have a Seat”(*), with the creation of Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce and the dissolution of the Draper marriage. It’s Thanksgiving 1964, and Don has seemingly gotten everything he ever wanted professionally, and lost nearly everything he ever thought he wanted personally.
(*) I had briefly forgotten exactly when in ‘63 the finale took place, until I recalled Lane Pryce’s delightful, “Very good. Happy Christmas!” kiss-off to St. John Powell. Good times.
But things on “Mad Men” are never quite that simple. Don is a name partner and the clear power at SCDP, but with great power comes great responsibility, and headaches, and having to give Peggy bail money on Thanksgiving day, and having to make sure every minute of his non-nap time is devoted to making money for the company. And despite the celebrated success of Don’s cinematic Glo-Coat commercial, the firm is barely hanging on financially, working out of a swank but small office in the Time-Life building with no conference table and (despite claims to the contrary by everyone but Bert Cooper) no second floor. They’re still too dependent on Lucky Strike for survival, and the attempt to turn Don into a creative celebrity butts up against Don’s paranoia and disdain for talking about himself.
In part because he’s always afraid someone else will find out about Dick Whitman, in part because of how Archie and the others raised him, Don doesn’t want to be the center of attention. But just as the men from Jantzen stubbornly try to hide behind the use of “two-piece” to pretend they aren’t making flesh-baring bikinis(**), Don needs to accept that in this changing world, he has to prepare himself for full exposure. He’s not the delicate genius in the corner office anymore. He’s the public face of SCDP, and if that means sitting down for an interview in which he brags on himself(***), then he will.
(**) I was pleased to see that the official Jantzen website of 2010 does refer to bikinis from time to time. The times, they were eventually a’changing.
(***) We, of course, remember how the actual “Fire us” moment went in “Shut the Door. Have a Seat.” - that it was an idea born of desperation, not confidence - but Don gets the basic details right. He’s embellishing, not dissembling.
That Wall Street Journal interview isn’t going to solve everything. I’m dubious of Harry’s ability to charm Ho-Ho into coming back (really, I’m dubious of Harry’s ability to do anything but get a sunburn), and of course they’re still one Lee Garner Jr. tantrum away from losing American Tobacco and falling apart altogether. But the creation of the new firm hasn’t just been a cosmetic excuse to move most of the actors onto a new set (even if Dan Bishop’s gorgeous, open and glased-in set got a splendid waltz-like introduction accompanied by some more of David Carbonara’s Rat Pack-style score).
Away from the office, Don is very much adrift. He has a nice apartment in the Village, but he’s lonely, and he’s hungry in every sense of the word. He doesn’t eat the food his housekeeper makes for him, doesn’t seem interested in dating women like Jane’s friend Bethany - nor can he close the deal with her(****) - and instead has taken to employing prostitutes to work out his self-loathing issues. Back in season one’s “The Wheel,” Betty told her therapist, "The way he makes love -- sometimes it's what I want, sometimes it's obviously what someone else wants.” When Don pays for it, he doesn’t have to factor in anyone’s desires but his own, and those desires aren’t necessarily pleasant to witness.
(****) In our interview, Weiner suggests that Don runs into trouble because he’s single now, and Bethany therefore views him as boyfriend material rather than someone she can sleep with and move on from. But there’s also a sense that as the ‘60s move along, the kinds of women Don used to have an easy time seducing are getting stronger and smarter, and the Don Draper playbook from 1962 won’t work as easily on a 1964 woman.
And the former Mrs. Draper? Who’s refusing to move out of the house on Bullet Park Road, even though she’s already married Henry Francis? Well, she also got everything she thought she wanted - a husband who’s more attentive and respectable than Don - but she’s more miserable - or at least more monstrous - than ever. Betty has never been one of the series’ more likable characters, but at least when she was married to Don, you could feel some sympathy for her because you knew what a lying, manipulative SOB he was. With Don mostly out of the picture, Betty’s least appealing traits - her chilliness, her petulance and her bullying of her kids (here literally shoving a marshmallow into Sally’s mouth, creating a much bigger scene than if Sally had just confessed to not liking Henry’s mother’s cooking) - are all in full bloom. Henry seems to be growing understandably frustrated with her - he has to recreate their early kiss in the car to remind himself of why he chose to marry her - and even he doesn’t understand why she won’t look for another house already. I’m hoping that as Betty gets more distance from her marriage, Weiner finds a way to humanize her. (And if he can’t, then I want to see a lot less of her, even if she and Don are sharing the kids.)
A lot of TV series do status quo-altering season finales, then take a handful of episodes at the start of the next year to reset things to the default(*****), and “Mad Men” could have very easily done that here. Betty has already taken Don back once and could do it again, and while the new firm lacks Kinsey and Sal and some others, enough of the familiar faces have relocated there that it could easily become, as Weiner puts it in our interview, “Sterling Cooper in a new office.”
(*****) Even great ones sometimes prefer to fall back on old rhythms. On “The Sopranos,” Carmela did eventually take Tony back, after all, though at least there it was thematically consistent with the show’s belief that people are usually too selfish to truly change anything about their lives.
But even though Don expertly throws Henry’s words back at him by telling him, “Believe me, Henry, everybody believes this is temporary,” it’s clear that the end of the Draper marriage, and the professional changes going on at the new firm, are permanent. “Public Relations” signals a show that’s looking forward, not back.
I can’t wait to see what’s next.
Some other thoughts on “Public Relations”:
- Joan doesn’t get a lot to do in the premiere, but that first glimpse of her office as we enter SCDP for the first time felt triumphant, and she gets one of the funniest lines of the premiere, when she assures Harry the buffoon that she won’t reveal his secret about the jai alai special, insisting, “I won’t even tell people after it’s aired!”
- Roger, of course, gets plenty of great lines as well, particularly at the expense of the one-legged reporter from Advertising Age, who came out of Korea far worse than Don did. And maybe the best joke of all is Pete saying, enthusiastically, “I could use my expense account if I say they’re whores!”
- Joey, Peggy’s new partner in crime (but not, for now at least, her boyfriend, since she has milquetoast Mark as her “fiance”), is played by Matt Long, probably best known for playing one of the leads on the WB’s short-lived “Jack and Bobby” (and, more recently, the lead on ABC’s even shorter-lived “The Deep End”). The two are frequently quoting the soap opera parody “John and Marsha” by Stan Freberg, the man credited for introducing the concept of satire to the world of advertising.
- Note, too, that whatever tensions existed between Pete and Peggy last season over him learning about the baby have seemingly vanished. Either he’s accepted that he really is happy without a child in his life, or he’s matured enough to recognize there simply isn’t time (or space) to hold a grudge in the cramped, scrappy world of SCDP. (And the two actresses they hired for the Sugarberry stunt do enough fighting for the four of them.)
- Bethany’s played by Anna Camp, who was one of the religious cult leaders last year on “True Blood.” It’s a very “Mad Men” touch that Bethany’s an actress whose job is to be living background scenery - there to make the picture look prettier, but not to be noticed on her own, and to be paid with comp tickets.
- Sad to have lost (for now, at least) Paul, Sal and Ken (and Ken’s haircut), but it was nice to see that Don was able to lure Allison over to continue as his secretary. Other than Joan’s brief fill-in during season two, she’s the only strong support he’s had at that desk.
- The song over the closing credits was “Tobacco Road,” which was originally recorded in 1960 but became a hit again in 1964 when recorded by the Brit pop band The Nashville Teens.
So go read the Weiner interview, where we go into why we resumed at this particular point in the story, the symbolism of the reporter’s wooden leg, and a lot more. And then - keeping in mind the usual ground rules about not revealing spoilers (including discussion of the previews for the next episode), being respectful to other commenters, etc., etc. - what did everybody else think?
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Next 274 Commentsevie
July 25, 2010 at 11:08PM EST Reply to Comment"Do you really think you were my first call?"
That is all. Mad Men is back.
JB
July 25, 2010 at 11:10PM EST Reply to CommentSo great to have the show and the recaps back. I thought this was an invigorating start, forward-looking as Alan said. But I have to say the Don slapping scene was astonishing -- I wonder where Weiner's planning on taking that.
Liz Coopersmith It WAS shocking. I was completely embarrassed for him. Oh, Don. We've moved on to paying for punishment, have we? Couldn't have just held your hand over the stove like any decent self-hating person?
July 26, 2010 at 1:12AM ESTEOTW If you didn't pick up on Don's self-loathing all through the previous seasons, then I guess you're a bit late to the party.
July 26, 2010 at 11:14AM ESTcoxlaw
July 25, 2010 at 11:16PM EST Reply to CommentGreat show. And great to your reviews. There was such richness in this episode, so much texture. I'm glad I'm taping and can review the episodes again. I was surprised at the scene with Don and the prostitute, though, and it was difficult to watch.
blingbling
July 25, 2010 at 11:16PM EST Reply to CommentThat was a sepia episode that turned Technicolor right at the end, didn't it?
Re Our Joan and the buffoon Harry. I still remember that brief moment of competition between the two over the broadcast department a couple of years back when Joan could have done Harry's job with one hand tied behind her back. Still, she got shoved in the corner. I want revenge for her, even though in '64, it's probably too early for that.
And I'm all about Peggy getting some decent lines in against Don. Unfortunately, she's stuck in the sandbox with Peter and that other dolt -- it's too bad that Lucky is 77 percent of their business, because otherwise they could bring Brian Batt back. I miss Salvatore.
Elmer
July 25, 2010 at 11:16PM EST Reply to CommentJust a detail, but, after working in the building for 15 years, I can verify that, outside, in the lobby, everywhere, it's called the Time & Life Building, not Time-Life, although most of the details of the inside have been replicated pretty well.
Steve
July 25, 2010 at 11:17PM EST Reply to CommentI feel like I usually spend the early part of the season, "feeling out" the direction of the story. For the first time, it seemed like Don Draper was, too.
I'm glad to see he found his inspiration at the end of the bikini pitch. I'm looking forward to see where it goes.
Scheer_Power
July 25, 2010 at 11:17PM EST Reply to CommentWow, Betty has got to be one of the top 5 worst TV mom's ever. She's no Nancy Botwin or De'Londa Brice but she's getting there.
If season 1 was supposed to be Betty with the mindset of a child, season 2 adolescence, and season 3 as an adult, does she now regress back to adolescence/child for season 4? The scene where Don tells her and Henry that he's selling the house, her reaction was like that of a teenager, testing how much she can get away with, then of a child saying that Don doesn't get to decide.
July 25, 2010 at 11:19PM EST Reply to CommentIs it just me, or did this episode feel VERY disjointed. I actually rewatched Season 3 over the past few days, and it really stood out how much this episode jumped around. If I had to guess, it seems to me that Weiner & Co might be trying to make this first episode of the season more appealing to all the fresh viewers drawn in by the critical praise and media attention the show has garnered.
Also, I worry that Kiernan Shipka and Jared Gilmore might be aging a little too fast. Gilmore is already Bobby Draper #2, and they really seem so much older
Sorry, this was my comment. Somehow I mucked up the login process.
July 25, 2010 at 11:21PM ESTEmmie The way the kids age fits in well enough with how every season jumps ahead, though. Not that I've crunched the numbers in comparing the characters' age to the actors, but so far the story is forging ahead in real time basically. Actually, a bit faster than that.
July 26, 2010 at 11:44AM ESTevie
July 25, 2010 at 11:19PM EST Reply to Commentbtw -- I loved "Jack and Bobby." Thanks for reminding me where I saw him before...as Jack. Cutie.
LJA
July 25, 2010 at 11:21PM EST Reply to CommentIt's so wonderful to have these people back in my living room again.
And I already love Henry Francis' mother and her astute observations about Betty. It's so weird that Henry doesn't just buy the house. No wonder he couldn't get it up after Thanksgiving dinner.
Without getting political, I also felt that the repeated "we're a FAMILY company" was meta commentary from Weiner.
Looking forward to a great season on the show and here afterward.
cgeye She might be a battleaxe, but she's a battleaxe who knows that those kids have a problem, and her name is Betty. If Betty could get the courage to actually listen to people who know better, she'd take up Henry and his mom on their advice, and forge a truly new life away from Don's things and image of her.
July 26, 2010 at 1:39AM ESTAnd the first thing I thought when Sally refused to eat: She's training to inherit her mother's eating disorder. This is Sally's fight for any control in her family, and it will not turn out well.
LJA
July 25, 2010 at 11:23PM EST Reply to CommentOh, tiny correction, Peggy telling Pete about the baby was two seasons ago. It was at the end of season two, not last season.
Hatfield
July 25, 2010 at 11:23PM EST Reply to CommentOh, bless you, East Coast HD feed!
Very strong start, and quite a few laughs, even if many of them arose out of sour situations. A couple of random things, since Alan has the analysis pretty well covered, as usual:
Peggy's fiance was played by Blake Bashoff, or Karl from "Lost." I got stupidly excited to see him, and it made me miss that show again. I wonder how many people are fans of both?
In other casting news, nice to see Jared Harris as Lane and Kiernan Shipka as Sally in the main cast credits. Aaron Staton (Ken) was there too, so I assume he'll be popping up sometime soon. Alas, Paul Kinsey and Salvatore Romano, we new ye well.
I also got excited when I saw Don's shoe polish kit. I have no idea if they still look like that, but it was exactly like the one my dad had in the 80's.
Speaking of that scene, did anyone else find the cut from the commercial he did to Thanksgiving day jarring?
maggie yes, not smooth. I still feel as if I have to replay it to see what they were doing.
July 26, 2010 at 11:35AM EST
It seemed to me that it would have been a natural commercial break, but because of the special presentation for the season premiere, there wasn't actually a commercial there.
July 26, 2010 at 2:46PM ESTrechercher
July 25, 2010 at 11:23PM EST Reply to CommentComing, sooner than we think: Sally Draper, portrait of a teenage runaway.
LJA Or bulemic.
July 25, 2010 at 11:47PM ESTnena Forget the Beatles...I'm looking forward to Sally becoming a mad Monkees fan
July 26, 2010 at 4:56AM ESTnena Forget the Beatles...I'm looking forward to Sally becoming a mad Monkees fan
July 26, 2010 at 4:56AM ESTdoggirl Agree! By '67, will be hitchin to SF w/a flower in her hair. Then on to the front lines at the 68 Dem Convention in Chicago. And 1969? Woodstock.
July 26, 2010 at 1:52PM EST
I was going to say that Sally is probably too young to be used in that way in the series (I think right now she's supposed to be 10-11), but then I remembered that the girl in the famous Kent State shootings photo was a 14-yr-old runaway. It's certainly possible with Betty as your mother. I was sort of hoping Don would take full custody of the kids, but perhaps that would lead to nothing but a lot of scenes of him working while they watch TV.
July 26, 2010 at 6:23PM ESTAngela I was 12 years old and knew one girl my age at school who was going to Woodstock. I was so envious! It made total sense that I should be able to go. :)
July 28, 2010 at 12:38AM ESTAnd if I had had the nerve to run-away I would have, just for the chance to go to Woodstock. Ok, now we have Sally's future figured out. Heh-heh.
Poor kid. I do hope the old "battle-axe" can save her. The nickname suits her, and I already like her a lot. Weird hairdo though!
MBG
July 25, 2010 at 11:24PM EST Reply to CommentVery glad to find the blog Alan, thanks! After watching on DVD for 3 seasons I finally got cable & am watching live. But one serious gripe with AMC is it sucks they don't play the song all the way thru the credits & come in with shrink-screen teasers. This makes a HUGE differene in absorbing the episodes and their ending - think Sixteen Tons, Why Does the Sun Keep on Shining, and especially Shahdaroba from the end of last season. I saw they were doing this in the marathons but was very disappointed they did it tonite. Make it stop, AMC!
Loved the confrontation Henry, and the hooker slap was OMG off the chart. Welcome back, Don!
- MBG
pamelajaye >LJA It's so wonderful to have these people back in my living room again.
July 25, 2010 at 11:41PM ESTAnd I already love Henry Francis' mother and her astute observations about Betty. It's so weird that Henry doesn't just buy the house
I find that odd as well (and I would have cut more, but it's hard to see in this tiny box.)
Also, where can I get one of those Two Piece bathing suits? I had one when I was a teenager and likely another one after. After 23 or so years of church-imposed belly hiding, I'd love a two piece but I hate the cut-way-up-your-thigh style that's arrived in the meantime.
I googled "modest bathing suits" but they were *too* modest and too expensive. Jantzen didn't seem much help either.
Who was that guy with Peggy and Pete?
pamelajaye crap! commented in the wrong place. out of practice.
July 25, 2010 at 11:42PM ESTAngela Pamelajaye, iI's been so long since I've bought a suit
July 28, 2010 at 12:47AM ESTbut the ones in Lands End always look nice to me. They have roughly 4 styles of each suit. Some quite modest, semi-modest, not so modest, etc. I really like Lands End quality and prices too. FWIW.
Back to Mad Men :)
Built like Joan You should search for "vintage" or "retro" bathing suits. Try Esther Williams.
July 28, 2010 at 4:54PM ESTdylanfan
July 25, 2010 at 11:33PM EST Reply to CommentCan somebody refresh my memory on Henry's family -- Who were all those people at Thanksgiving dinner?
Scheer_Power That's the first time we've seen them. We barely saw Henry last season, much less his family.
July 25, 2010 at 11:37PM ESTLJA We only saw Henry's adult daughter last season. They went to Roger's daughter's wedding together last season on The Grown-Ups. She's the one who came in late to Thanksgiving dinner.
July 25, 2010 at 11:40PM ESTMarlark
July 25, 2010 at 11:33PM EST Reply to CommentGreat Mad Men episode. Great review. Ahh... all is well once again.
Reid
July 25, 2010 at 11:36PM EST Reply to CommentI seem to remember Henry saying to Betty at the end of the last season, "I don't want you owing him anything." Well, now Don's paying the bills. Did Betty's inaction on the house hunt affect the situation?
Splenda
July 25, 2010 at 11:39PM EST Reply to CommentAre Don Draper and Gregory House the only TV characters to unapologetically employ the services of a sex worker?
ZacharyTF Would Sam Seaborn fit into that category? :)
July 25, 2010 at 11:42PM ESTpamelajaye touche'
July 25, 2010 at 11:43PM ESTpamelajaye oh wait - that was an "accident"
July 25, 2010 at 11:44PM ESTSplenda Toby: "I don't understand, did you trip over something?"
July 25, 2010 at 11:53PM ESTalyssa and Brian Kinney from Showtime's Queer as Folk!
July 26, 2010 at 9:32PM EST
Sterling didn't seem to have any issues when he enlisted the services of one a while back.
August 13, 2010 at 5:02AM ESTjmartnwa
July 25, 2010 at 11:40PM EST Reply to CommentAgree totally on Betty Draper as a character who seemingly becomes less likable each and every week. Love the expansive possibilities of the inevitable successes and failures of the SCDP agency and... what appears to be... a lot more of the work side of Don's life and for that matter, the rest of the characters. To me, that's where I'm most at home with these people and their existence. Some great lines from Roger, Pete, Peggy... it was a really entertaining start to Season 4, with a lot to enjoy and process. Very pleased with the premiere... looks like a great season for us all.
sdhb
July 25, 2010 at 11:40PM EST Reply to CommentIt seemed that for the past 3 seasons, Don's office was lit darkly, but at home, it was lighter. Now in season 4, that new office is quite bright, but his apartment couldn't be more depressingly dark. Fitting.
Teejay
July 25, 2010 at 11:42PM EST Reply to CommentHarry a buffoon? He seems to have been the most competent employee over the last two seasons. Did Pete introduce himself to potential clients as Peter before this episode?
Scheer_Power Off the top of my head, Harry Crane's buffoonery:
July 25, 2010 at 11:55PM EST1) When PPL reorganized he didn't realize he was promoted when everyone else was demoted.
2) Got Sal fired when he didn't tell anyone about Lee Garner Jr's complaints.
3) Couldn't see that Joan was a brilliant addition to the TV department.
4) Didn't realize wearing sunscreen in LA might be a good idea.
5) Joined SCDP only because Cooper gave him an empty threat.
I guess you can counter that he created the TV department at SC...but still...he got Sal fired. He's a buffoon.
Scheer_Power 6) Those tighty whities in the season 1 finale...an abomination.
July 26, 2010 at 12:00AM ESTajm32 Yes (to make himself sound older and well-connected, perhaps), as in S2's "The Jet Set," when he introduces himself to Joy & Co. as "Peter Dyckman Campbell."
July 26, 2010 at 12:19AM ESTJerseyRudy Reply to comment...
July 26, 2010 at 12:30AM ESTJerseyRudy While I agree that Harry Crane often is a buffoon, I disagree that he "got Sal fired." Harry was put in a no-win situation in that episode by Lee Garner Jr. Sal was toast no matter how Harry responded. I actually think that by not telling anyone about Garner's complaints in the hope that it would all blow over after Garner sobered up, Harry chose the only option that could have saved Sal's job.
July 26, 2010 at 12:42AM ESTI also think it is unfair to say that Harry "joined SCDP only because Cooper gave him an empty threat." The "threat" from Cooper was tongue-in-cheek, and it is likely that Harry would have chosen to join SCDP regardless...like most married men, his initial instinct was to call his wife for reassurance that he was making a good decision, and to avoid spending time in the marital doghouse.
Harry is often a bufoon, but he is also ambitious and hard-working, and he had the foresight to recognize the opportunity that television provided to ad men in the early 1960s.
Scheer_Power Perhaps I'm thinking of Harry a little too simplistically. On a show like Mad Men, I shouldn't do that. Overall, he's still an idiot, but this jai alai special, and the opportunity to win back Ho-Ho for SCDP might make that less true.
July 26, 2010 at 1:11AM EST
Harry keeps falling upwards, is all. He's not a buffoon but he is completely passive -- got the TV title at SC because his wife pushed him, and is at the new firm because of dumb luck. It's a very funny quality.
July 26, 2010 at 11:09AM EST
That the member of the firm who's an idiot, but who is managing to have a successful career anyway, is the TV man, is not an accident.
July 26, 2010 at 11:27AM ESTJerseyRudy I agree with you to a certin extent. There are times when Harry has acted like a buffoon and been lucky rather than good. But I think you are still selling him short. Harry created his job as Head of Television at Sterling Cooper because he recognized an opportunity that nobody else at SC recognized at the time; his wife did push him to ask for a raise, but it was Harry who first created the position for himself.
July 26, 2010 at 12:53PM ESTOne of Harry's great "skills" is being a fantastic suck-up, which to me is far different than being an idiot (I agree with you that this is no accident, and Weiner is making a larger statement about what it often takes to succeed in the television industry). But Harry needs to also be competent in order to do his job in a situation in which the new agency is living and dying off every account. As we saw this week, he was able to go to California and convince ABC to commit to a jai alai special...I have no doubt that he did this mainly by sucking up to ABC executives, but he also needed to be prepared and sell the program to them, which requires a level of competence beyond that of a mere "idiot."
As usual with this show, Harry is more complex than the buffoon he often appears to be.
Harry is Schlemiel, but he's not a Schlemazel.
July 26, 2010 at 3:20PM ESTJule Was there sunscreen in 1964?
July 26, 2010 at 10:01PM ESTpamelajaye I don't know. There was Coppertone.
July 27, 2010 at 12:57AM ESTCraig Harry might be a bit socially clumsy at times, but he's the most realistic person at SCDP. Did he perhaps mess up with the Sal/Junior incident, but he did the best he could. I guess he could have just hidden Sal away whenever Junior was in the building, but that would eventually backfire. I always figured Harry had been a plus-sized boy and his awkwardness stems from what he endured earlier in life.
August 3, 2010 at 4:38PM ESTSteve
July 25, 2010 at 11:48PM EST Reply to CommentSurprised to not see more mention (from Alan or commenters) about the difference in Peggy. It was really striking to me, like she was a totally different person. Not just the new look, but she seemed so much more confident and out-going. I talked to one of my friends after the show and he thought the same.
berkowit28 Not to mention "chop chop!"
July 26, 2010 at 2:29AM ESTsdhb Absolutely! Peggy's "transformation" was the highpoint of a seriously depressing episode. I'm so glad to see her like this!
July 26, 2010 at 7:40AM ESTMary44 It felt too forced. I don't think one person can change that much in under a year. I was like they were writting for a totally different person. It was so jarring.
July 26, 2010 at 9:47AM ESTDana Carpender I'm a year late; just started Season 4 last night, but wanted to say that there was a moment when she was talking about possible strategies with the guys, sitting on the edge of the desk, feet up on the coffee table, leaning forward, totally engaged, that was SO striking a piece of body language that I made my husband stop the DVD so I could take it in. She looked so amazingly confident and in control.
July 9, 2011 at 10:06AM ESTI think it's possible she's changed that much in a year. Why? Because of the fact that Don came to her and begged her to come to SCDP, the fact that her talent has been recognized and rewarded. Her willingness to stand up for herself has also been rewarded. She's owned her power and her talent.
blingbling
July 25, 2010 at 11:48PM EST Reply to CommentThe one thing that has me scratching my head a bit is the whole Don/Betty dynamic now. OK, so what will we see this season -- the Bickersons with Betty squatting in the home where her old life happened? I sincerely hope that Matt Weiner has more in store for us than that. Betty's even more horrific now, but to what end? So we can hate her more? I'm not looking for a sympathetic character, but I don't want Betty to become boring and I don't want her presence on the show to consist of icy stares between her and Don every time he comes to pick up the kids. What does Betty become?
cadfile
July 25, 2010 at 11:48PM EST Reply to CommentGlad Don and his ego came back for another trist.
I know we don't comment on the previews but in this case not a problem since they didn't make sense... lol
coxlaw
July 25, 2010 at 11:49PM EST Reply to CommentBy the way, unlike in previous seasons where Don's advertising instincts were right on the money (remember Kodak's carousel?) this time he was wrong-Jantzen still lives as a swimsuit company and the web shows a very modest 1966 ad campaign with Jantzen two-piecers on models atop surf boards, all shot at a respectful distance.
SCDP didn't have much chance at that account anyway. Don blew that meeting up intentionally, to signal what kind of agency he want to be running.
July 26, 2010 at 3:35PM ESTNaggs This is not the first time Don has presented his vision of what he believes the client needs as opposed to what the client is asking for. Menken's department store comes to mind.
July 27, 2010 at 4:34PM ESTevie
July 25, 2010 at 11:50PM EST Reply to CommentSo are we to assume Henry only really likes to get it on when it feels somewhat illicit? Car sex (in their own garage. weird.) and then again weekend-trip sex. And really, he doesn't look all that much younger than his mother. Sort of like Cary Grant and his "mother" in North by Northwest. Nothing good is going to come of that marriage.
AC Henry wants to do it in the car because he's uncomfortable doing it in Don's house, in Don's bed, in earshot of Don's kids. This is confirmed when he grudgingly takes Don's side in the house argument.
July 26, 2010 at 12:14AM ESTajm32 I agree. Whats more, Henry and his mother look nothing alike. Great NbN comparison, btw!
July 26, 2010 at 12:24AM ESTsteph is that his mom or his sister?
July 28, 2010 at 11:46PM ESTCraig I thought the same thing about Henry and his mother's lack of significant age difference. Of course, his mom obviously dyes her hair, but they do not look like mother and son at all, in age or appearance.
August 3, 2010 at 4:42PM ESTpamelajaye
July 25, 2010 at 11:50PM EST Reply to Commentbefore I go off to read the interview (and put off watching childrens hospital even longer - sadly) I'd like to mention the two things about this site that are still frustrating me.
1. the size of the boxes to type in. It can't be that hard to fix them.
2. Is there a way to subscribe to future comments in a thread to which you have posted? If so, where do I find that. The page is wider than my screen, so it's a lot of scrolling around to find something - a pointer would be great. And if not: would it not be a good thing for Hitfix to remind people to come back and check the new responses and thereby see more ads? I know that's another reason why I don't come here as often as I did on your former blog. (another reason is that I'm behind on the shows that I like that you blog about. Facebook has eaten into my TV time and I end up playing catchup months later. I stopped watching HIMYM when Chuck came back and didn't get back to it till at least June - by then, commenting seemed moot)
Fix HitFIx Please I agree. I don't come here as often either. (I don't recommend it like I did the old blog) Too damn frustrating. It's such a shame because Alan and the community of readers are great.
July 26, 2010 at 4:34PM ESTAngela Had to add my wish for a way to subscribe to new comments. That's a feature that would really be a huge help. I miss out on reading so many new comments, answers to questions asked, etc. Unless new comments are posted at the end of all the pages, they are impossible for me to find. :-( .
July 28, 2010 at 12:56AM ESTpamelajaye
July 25, 2010 at 11:55PM EST Reply to Commentalso, thanks for the John and Marsha info - Baylink quotes it a lot but I was never entirely sure what it was (I've pictured two people running toward each other in a field and then missing each other and still running - in slo mo)
Also the Glo-Coat campaign - was that supposed to be like the Taster's Choice commercials?
An why doesn't Don get to share custody of the baby? (was it his? Awesome's? Henry's?
doggirl I don't think it's that Don doesn't share custody, but rather, that Betty is "withholding" the baby as punishment. I think Betty's whole approach/attitude now--stalling on selling the house, being late coming back--is a control thing, a spitefulness against Don. After all, he "controlled" everything during their marriage: his work, their money, their sex life--he even controlled his own identity. To have their "perfect" life, she had to allow him to control her, and she had to play a certain part (i.e., passive, perfect wife). But now she is taking the reins and for the first time, she has the upper hand: she tells *him* when to have the kids back, then makes him wait--just because she can. She's dragging her heels on selling the house because she can (she knows he won't throw her out). AND, in a sense, she's making him "watch" her have a "good" marriage (she thinks it's good) in *his* house. I agree she has a father thing w/Henry (who is really really creepy), but I think her primary motives are to punish Don--even through her treatment of the kids. (Saw this type of scenario firsthand, unfortunately, w/my own parents, when I was Sally's age and in Sally's position.) Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to get VERY bumpy for anyone named Draper.
July 26, 2010 at 2:10PM ESTberkowit28 I don't know why people keep calling Henry creepy. he doesn't seem creepy to me, just fairly quiet and undemonstrative. I'm not sure he's all *that* old either, though certainly older than Betty. His daughter (friend of Margaret, looks 23 or so) may be 10-12 years older than Sally. If Betty is somewhere around 28-29, and Don is about 35-36 (I'm losing track, maybe more now), Henry looks sort of 43 or so, maybe 45. But I think more like 43. Yeah, that's older, but hardly what some people are calling his mother's age! His mother isn't doddering, she's about 65 or so. That computes.
July 26, 2010 at 9:25PM ESTJessamyn We've been over the "whose baby" question on the old site. It's definitely Don's. Betty was already pregnant when she had sex with Awesome, and of course very pregnant when she met Henry (don't you remember him asking to touch her belly?).
August 2, 2010 at 9:56AM ESTBerkowit28, I don't disagree that the ages of the characters are okay relative to each other, but Betty is already 32 (she told Glen in 1960 that she was 28). Don's timeline has a few retcon-type issues, but basically he should be 37 by now.
I will say that for me the slightly creepy thing about Henry is his wanting to marry Betty (and her three children) after spending what was probably literally less than 12 total hours with her and really knowing nothing about her.
Devin McC
July 25, 2010 at 11:58PM EST Reply to CommentSo glad to have this show back. I agree that I would have liked to see more of what Joan's doing, and also Lane. But I assume that will come in time.
One thing that I didn't quite get was how long they lingered on Don standing outside the kids' room after he turned off the lights. I'm sure there was a point to that, I just don't know what it was.
Tom
July 26, 2010 at 12:03AM EST Reply to CommentGreat episode! Two observations:
Little Bobby Draper is growing up. He is definitely learning the importance of keeping everyone happy. Sally, on the other hand, will be rolling around in the mud at Woodstock before this series is over. The Baby Boom in a nutshell.
My favorite running joke in the show is that Don's creative work always kinda sucks. His legendary floor polish ad is pretentitous, and his pitch to the Jantzen guys could not have been worse. Yet ego and ambition drive the game. Mad men indeed,
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