'Lost' - 'The End': A re-review
How does the controversial series finale hold up a month later?
Jack and Vincent have a moment in the "Lost" finale.
Before the "Lost" finale aired in late May, I said that I felt uncomfortable with trying to wrap my feelings around the end of the series within the few hours I allowed myself that night between when the finale ended and when I posted my review. And I suggested that at some point in the future - possibly at several points - I might revisit my feelings about said finale.
Well, yesterday was a relatively slow day, and it occurred to me that a little over a month had passed, and I still had "The End" on my DVR. So I watched it, again. And I have a bunch of thoughts - some new, some not - about the finale coming up just as soon as I'm shot by a fat man...
"How are you here right now?" -Jack
"How are you here?" -Christian
Back in May, I said that I thought "The End" was fantastic as an episode of "Lost," but that I wasn't sure how it worked as an ending to "Lost." On the former point, I haven't wavered. Every piece of "The End" that worked the first time still washed over me the second time around, whether it was the callbacks (Jack and Locke peering down a hole at Desmond), the action (Jack leaping down the cliff towards Locke is an incredible act-out, and Kate gets the great action movie kiss-off line "I saved you a bullet!" when she finally takes out Smokey), or the many, many tearjerking moments in both the real world (Hurley's voice breaking as he tells Jack "I can't") or the sideways (Sawyer telling Juliet, "I got ya, baby"). Like most of the previous "Lost" finales (but particularly "Exodus" and "Through the Looking Glass"), it was a reminder of the confident storytelling of Cuse and Lindelof and the technical brilliance of Jack Bender and the crew(*). Whatever your thoughts are on the importance of the mysteries, how much of a master plan Darlton had, etc., when these people set their phasers to "Entertain," few in the TV business have ever been better.
(*) I watched much of the finale without my laptop so I wouldn't have any distractions, and occasionally I would scribble a word or two into a list of notes in my phone. The first line: "Giacchino." Love the score he came up with for the finale.
In fact, there were some ways in which I enjoyed the episode-as-an-episode more this time than last. In retrospect, I had come to understand Jacob's plan - that only Desmond could live long enough to unplug the cork, and that it had to be done so that Smokey would become mortal again - so I not only stopped questioning what the point of Desmond was, but came to appreciate that while neither Sawyer nor Ben ever managed to effectively con Smokey, Jacob did. And if you go into the episode knowing the true meaning of the sideways universe, then the moments where certain characters (in particular, Jin/Sun and Sawyer/Juliet) realize where they are take on even more power.
I imagine I will always have a bunch of metaphysical questions about the sideways universe: Why only this particular combination of Oceanic 815 and Oceanic-related people in the church? Why do Kate and Claire get to bring baby Aaron through to Heaven with them, but Desmond and Penny have to go without their Charlie? Is everyone in the sideways real, or just the ones who were in some way tied to the island? And either way, should Juliet and Jack just ignore their imaginary son like he never mattered to them at all?(**) Etc., etc.
(**) Comic book geekery digression: One of the all-time great Superman stories is Alan Moore's "For the Man Who Has Everything," where a bad guy traps Superman's mind in a fantasy where Krypton never blew up and he has a wife, kids and an ordinary life on his home planet. As the story goes on, Kal-El begins to realize this isn't right, and he tells his son Van, tears in his eyes, “You’re my son. I was there at your birth and I’ll always love you, but … I don’t think you’re real.” There probably wasn't time in "The End" for a similar kind of moment for a minor, apparently imaginary character, but given how much build-up David got in "Lighthouse" and then later episodes, it feels like a cheat that we didn't. It's swell that a bunch of these people get to go to Heaven, and also that others (Eloise, Ben) get to hang with their loved ones in limbo for a bit longer, but some other sideways residents got screwed.
But here's what I wonder: if you take the sideways universe out of the finale - take it out of the final season altogether, in fact - how does "The End" work as a conclusion to the series? Not perfectly, because given how many different things "Lost" was to so many people, there's no way any conclusion could be perfect. But sideways aside, "The End" is an ending that I think works more than it doesn't.
(***) Seriously, how good was Matthew Fox in this episode? I spent an awful lot of time in the middle seasons bagging on the character of Jack, but both the writers and Fox did a remarkable job in this final season of bringing back the Jack I liked. This becomes another one of those "how much was planned and how much was done on the fly?" questions - Did Darlton intend for Jack to become insufferable so we'd appreciate it more when he stopped? Or did they just realize they'd pushed the character too far in that direction and course correct? - but whatever the behind-the-scenes movement, Fox is tremendous. The look on Jack's face when Vincent trots up gets me every time. He knows he's about to die, but that his life and death had meaning, and then Vincent comes to not only remind him of his whole journey on the island but to keep him from dying alone, and he looks... happy. His life isn't what he hoped it would be, but it was enough. He fixed things in the end, and saw some of the people he cared about leave, and Vincent keeps him company as the light goes out.
Would I have liked that the sixth season spent more time filling in the gaps of island history? Absolutely. Instead of all the time in the Temple (which was both dramatically inert and pointless from an arc perspective), we could perhaps have gotten a second Richard flashback episode that showed the evolution of The Others over time and perhaps shed more light on why Jacob sat back and let some combination of Smokey and Ben cause so much havoc. And I'm sure when I go back and rewatch episodes that are heavier on the island mythology, I'll be frustrated at the many, many dead ends they had to offer. But in terms of the narrative of the passengers of Oceanic 815, the island scenes of "Lost" gave us a beginning, a very long middle, and an end.
But the sideways was a big part of season six, and of "The End," and so we have to consider it when discussing the finale, the season, and the series. I know there are fan edits out there that remove those scenes, but we can't ignore them anymore than Lucas fans can ignore Jar-Jar Binks - and Jar-Jar never gave us anything a fraction as good as the re-birth of Aaron backstage at the Daniel/Driveshaft concert.
So a month-plus later, how do I feel about the sideways? Conflicted.
On the plus side of the ledger, it allowed the show to revisit earlier versions of these characters: to help reset Jack as a good guy with an occasional messiah-complex problem and not an obstinate ass, to give us a living version of John Locke instead of the monster wearing his face, etc. It allowed us to study these characters outside the context of the island: to wonder if Sayid would always be an engine of destruction, or if Ben was really bad or just wound up that way because his father took a job with Horace Goodspeed. It provided us with some great emotional moments even before the finale, and in "The End" it gave us an opportunity to get closure and happy endings for characters we'd lost, whether a long time ago (Shannon) or only a few weeks back (Jin and Sun). Certainly, I don't want to complain too too much about a format that gave us Sawyer and Juliet at the vending machine, or John Locke getting career advice from Rose.
But ultimately, how necessary was it? I mean, I'm glad the characters I like (and a few I don't really care about, like Boone) get to enjoy each other's company for all eternity, regardless of some of the metaphysical issues I listed above. But if we assume the existence of an afterlife - and "Lost" is a show that clearly took place in a universe in which the afterlife exists - then we could picture characters from any beloved series ultimately reuniting in the hereafter.
At times in the final season, we saw the sideways used to finish jobs the island started. Jack broke the cycle of paternal alienation, Locke realized that he didn't have to be special to be happy, and Ben recognized that love ultimately mattered to him more than power. Christian tells Jack that the sideways was constructed not only to bring everyone together, but to make them finally realize that they have to let go. And the idea of people needing to drop their baggage so they can move on has been a theme of the series from the start. But only some of the characters reach that point independently of the realization that they're dead and this is Ray Kinsella's cornfield. Sayid, for instance, is still filled with self-loathing, and then he meets Shannon, remembers who he is, and all is well.
So on the one hand, the show has to step outside its own boundaries in order to provide emotional/thematic closure to a number of characters, when that was always one of the roles the island was supposed to play. And on the other hand, the sideways only occasionally did that and the rest of the time was... what? There to give us amusing alternate versions of characters? (Sawyer's a cop! Desmond and Widmore are BFFs!)
Early in the series, Jack famously tells the other survivors "Live together, die alone." With the sideways universe, we learn that the equation is slightly different: that however you live or died, if you're one of the cool kids (as opposed to Ana-Lucia or Frogurt), you get to live together forever. And that has the effect of making the events of the series irrelevant in a way.(****) Yes, their time together on the island is what allows these people to reconnect in the sideways, but the actual assignment of who Desmond does and doesn't invite to join them in the church has little bearing on what these specific people did in life; these are just the people he (and the writers) decided were "ready" to move on. And that randomness is just as frustrating as finding out that the Oceanic Six just happened to be the six people who were near the helicopter when the bad stuff with the freighter was going down.
(****) And I recognize that a number of popular organized religions have this very attitude about life on Earth versus what is said to await us afterwards. But let's try to keep the discussion focused more on the series than theology in general, okay?
So while the sideways stories did add certain emotionally-resonant things to this final season, I don't know that what was added was worth what was taken away as a result.
But the truly problematic parts of the sideways story only occupy the final 10 minutes of "The End," and even they're intertwined with Jack's moving walk back to his final resting place in the bamboo field. And while it's impossible to completely separate the sideways from the rest of the series, I do believe that if I'm thinking back on "Lost" 10 or 15 years from now, the parallel timeline that turned out to be a kind of purgatory won't be especially prominent in my thoughts. I'll think back on the crash, and the raft launch, and "Not Penny's boat," and Desmond's phone call, and the murder of Jeremy Bentham, and Kate and Sawyer jumping off the cliff in order to catch a flight. The parts of the show that didn't come together for one reason or another won't be as resonant, I don't think. Like I said in my initial review, "Lost" didn't always work as a cohesive whole, but was incredible when broken down into individual moments.
And if I look back at the series in that way, I'll be following Christian's advice to his son, learning to remember the good times and let go of the bad - even if I consider the scene where he offered said advice to be one of the less-good times.
A few other thoughts based on a second viewing:
• I had hoped to get a clearer sense of how Sawyer, Kate and Hurley got Ben out from under the fallen tree, but nope. One scene, he's pinned under there with no hope of rescue, and the next he's on the cliff with the others, worried about Jack's stab wound.
• I found it interesting that, other than the Sawyer/Juliet flash at the vending machine, the bulk of the flashes characters had in the sideways were of events from the first few seasons. That obviously makes sense for characters like Shannon who didn't make it very far into the series, but even Locke's flashbacks were largely from that character's early days.
• Getting back to the David Shepard issue, I still can't decide if Ben is staying in the sideways because he feels he isn't yet worthy of heaven, or if he just wants to spend more time with Danielle and Alex. Which, again, brings us back to both metaphysics and the question of why Desmond picked who he picked. Alex and Danielle were on the island, as were Charlotte, Daniel and Miles (and Eloise), but all are left behind for one reason or another. Maybe Eloise can take in David as a ward or something.
• I don't believe I mentioned in my original review how pleased I was to finally learn the origin of the flash-sideways sound effect. It's not the MRI machine Desmond goes into in "Happily Ever After," but (I think) what Jack hears of Ajira 316 as it flies overhead.
Anyway, those are my ramblings. Perhaps my opinion will change more radically in a year's time or more, but I doubt it. My reaction to "The Sopranos" ending is still what it was 3 years ago, and even this review didn't so much change my opinions as clarify some of them given time and a full night's sleep. But we'll see.
In the meantime, I'm curious if anyone else has gone back to watch "The End" again since May 23, and, with a re-view or not, whether anyone feels differently about it now than they did that night.
Alan Sepinwall may be reached at sepinwall@hitfix.com
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June 29, 2010 at 4:12PM EST Reply to CommentHonestly, whenever I listen to someone try and defend the Lost finale it's reeking with so much "look, we know it sucked, let us have our fantasy and pretend it was good for a little while longer." Reminds me almost exactly of Star Wars fandom circa 1999.
Brendan Diamond Couldn't disagree with you more. I was definitely a Lost fan, but I certainly wasn't a fan of everything that was done to and on the show. I found the finale to be pitch-perfect for the show that I loved. Now, I recognize that the show that I loved and the show that others loved were not necessarily the SAME show; but believe me, I'm no apologist just because I like it.
June 29, 2010 at 4:48PM ESTIn fact, I think it's rather unfair to call those who "try and defend the Lost finale" as such. You're welcome to your opinion if you hated it (though I can't see any reason to have disliked it from my vantage point). But this isn't like the Star Wars fandom you reference. In the case of SW, few defenders of Phantom Menace defended the story; it was all about the experience, the graphics, the podrace, etc. However, I find television to be far more rewarding when one focuses on the story and the characters. I found the story and characters in "The End" to be done exactly right, in a way I had often wished they'd been done more often preceding the finale. Again, you don't have to agree, but I certainly don't think that's an apologia.
jen Agree with you, Hector. I feel like most analyses of the finale as good end up being a series of defensive statements along the lines of "Sure it didn't make any sense, but I liked it anyway- you wanna make something of it?" or "I know that the reveals in the finale didn't connect with anything else on these series, but i liked it on its own because the characters were EMOTIONAL" How can something be "about the characters" without a plot? They didn't need to give us answers, but they did need to give us narrative consistency - and the finale failed spectacularly at being consistent with anything that had come before it. As Alan noted, even *within* the finale, there were narrative inconsistencies: who was awakened, whether they realized they were dead at the time of their awakening, who made it "to the church", etc. And that's not even getting into how the episode as a whole was inconsistent with the rest of the show that came before - in characterization, motivation, AND plot.
June 30, 2010 at 9:38AM ESTthe_minister Thanks Hector. Spot on. Never seen a more prolonged and fulsome bout of collective cognitive dissonance in my life. I hope Carlton & Cuse enjoy someday realize they're a duo version of George Lucas.
July 1, 2010 at 7:37PM ESTWHAT a betrayal of possibility.
dudester Honestly whenever I hear someone complain about the finale it's always some variation of caring too much about stuff that was never important in the first place or an unwillingness to fill in gaps on their own.
July 2, 2010 at 12:17PM ESTJonathan Lack
June 29, 2010 at 4:14PM EST Reply to CommentI watched it again, still found it to be perfect. Loved it all. I understand where you're coming from, but I think you may have missed one thing. Desmond wasn't picking people at random---he was looking for the survivors of 815, the plane he was responsible for crashing. He was shepherding the people he brought to the island into the afterlife. Ben stayed behind to do the same thing--it was his fault that Alex and Danielle and even the freighter people got imbroiled in the island conflict, so Ben was, in theory, going to do for them what Desmond did for the 815ers.
And as for Desmond/Penny not bringing Charlie, or Jin/Sun not bringing Ji Yeon, I again have to go to the "815ers" explanation--those babies weren't on 815. Plus, in the Lost verse, going to "heaven" or wherever is about being with who you care most about. For Sawyer, it's Juliet, and visa versa (which is why, even though she wasn't on 815, she's in the church). Those kids, Charlie and Ji Yeon, grew up, had lives of their own, and probably loves of their own. They wouldn't want to go to heaven with their parents, but with whatever family they themselves created, and their children would do the same.
Bitsy Jonathan, I don't think your theory quite holds up:
June 29, 2010 at 4:28PM ESTAna Lucia was on 815, Penny and Juliet weren't. But Penny and Juliet ended up in the church, while Ana Lucia wasn't. What about all the random passengers who were killed in the crash and on the island afterward?
I thought Sun was pregnant on the plane but just didn't know it at the time. The length of time on the island is confusing, so I'm not 100% on that. But, if that's the case, you're theory doesn't work. She would have been on the plane (albeit in a teeny, tiny form).
June 29, 2010 at 4:43PM ESTNick Did Desmond ever meet Ana Lucia? I think he just brought along the survivers that he knew/cared about. Arzt pointed out in the first series that there were clearly "cliques" on the island. Maybe the other survivors, the ones who sat around in the background and weren't part of the clique, had their own moving on ceremony in the church. Or maybe for them their old lives off the island were more important than their lives on the island. Maybe they get to move on with their own families and friends from their old life.
June 29, 2010 at 4:58PM ESTThere are a lot of ways you could interpret who was or wasn't in that church in the end.
I like your reasoning of why Charlie and Ji Yeon weren't there though
semicolwin I'm pretty sure Sun got pregnant on the island (nearly 100% sure, actually). Jin was incapable of having kids off the island, but the island cured him of his infertility issues. Check out the episode "D.O.C.", where Juliet informs Sun that she got pregnant on the island.
June 29, 2010 at 5:04PM ESTKarenX It's not that people were on the island or the plane together, it's that this group of people became bonded when they were on the island together. Other people on the plane probably ended up with their own afterlife groups. This group of ours probably bonded so closely on the island because they had so few real attachments before they came together.
June 29, 2010 at 5:42PM ESTI have no idea what to make of pretend sideways people, though.
heather i believe the people in the church were the ones that found redemption together (and because of one another)on the island and were ready to move on.
June 29, 2010 at 6:32PM ESTaaron was instrumental in claire, charlie and kate's redemption arcs. the other offspring were not an impetus for redemption in this same way, so they are not present in the church. that doesn't mean they weren't important or loved though. i just happen to think that redemption is the common thread that binds them all to each other rather than just love.
this also the only way i can understand the choice to have shannon with sayid rather than his true love nadia.
dj christian said "...there is no now here". this could explain why juliet and especially penny were in the church. she did eventually die (presumably long before charlie) and she went to heaven with desmond.
June 29, 2010 at 8:13PM ESTHatfield
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Hatfield God damnit, I hate accidentally logging in without having written anything. I hope these comments will eventually allow us to delete our own like Blogger did.
June 29, 2010 at 4:48PM ESTAnyway, wonderful piece, Alan. I watched the finale again about a week later, and I found it to be even better than the first time. While I can't argue with your assessment of the sideways, they will always be worth it for the reunions/awakenings we got in the finale. So I cried when Juliet and Sawyer remembered each other, laughed uproariously when Jin and Sun looked at Det. Ford bemusedly, and finally cared about Kate and Jack when she told him how much she'd missed him. In King's Dark Tower series--SPOILER ALERT IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THEM AND PLAN TO--one of the Gunslinger's band decides to leave his quest and ends up in a world where her friends who had died earlier are alive and know her, though they don't understand how they know her. It plays as a reward for the pain she had gone through (really, that they'd all gone through) on this noble quest that they were sucked into mostly against their own will. (END SPOILER) In that context, the sideways/afterlife portion really worked for me, as it seemed to give weight to all the pain and suffering our heroes endured in the name of something bigger than themselve that they didn't ever fully understand. So while, like you, I may never care about Kate and Claire running around LA or Jin and Sun's star-crossed romance in that world, at least it all feels like it lead to something.
As for the island story, I know there is a vocal segment of the fans who are still outraged at the amount of things that were never explained, but again, going back to a story like The Dark Tower, for me those things were all just shadings. I'm sure many of them were things that Darlton introduced and could never fond time to explain (hello, outrigger shootout!), but I can live with that. The mysteriousness of what happened on the island has always been one of the coolest parts of the series, and I ultimately believe explaining too much about the Egyptians who were there, or the history of the Others and DHARMA, or even some of Jacob's motives, would have taken away from the story of the 815 survivors.
So I pumped my fist at the return of Lapidus, and said "Hell yeah" the moment when Jack tells Smokey to his face that he's going to kill him, and smiled when Ben told Hurley there may be a better way, and teared up as Vincent came to see Jack off. "The End" may have been imperfect, but so was the show, and like the rest of the show I found far more to love than protest. I only wish it had satisfied everyone as much as it did me.
velocityknown
June 29, 2010 at 4:40PM EST Reply to CommentThe more I think about it, the more I love the finale, and I've rewatched it 3 times now. I'm glad you took the step many others didn't in trashing it immediately instead of thinking and giving it time to set in.
Many of my friends and family complained that it answered to little questions. The producers knew the show was ending 2 and a half years ago, they knew what they were doing when they made this ending. One of the great things about Lost over the years has been the forum debates on the internet or with friends and family. Why wouldn't the producers allow us the same kind of fun after the finale?
I do, however, believe Darlton did themselves a disservice by talking so much. They did all these press events and promised everything, and when you promise everything and don't deliver, people get pissed. But that's a topic for a whole other article.
semicolwin I don't think they really promised anything in all their interviews and such. The thing they always said was that for them, their only obligations were to explain the sideways world and to provide closure to the characters and their respective journeys. They never, ever "promised everything".
June 29, 2010 at 5:08PM ESTapearlma
June 29, 2010 at 4:42PM EST Reply to CommentI re-watched Lost about a week ago. It definitely added a new layer to know what the sideways universe was and I felt that section worked more effectively. It also helped to know the confusing scene of the plane wreckage at the end wasn't part of the story.
I think a sense that I got of the sideways universe is that characters were working through unfinished issues. They all wanted to be good people and the issues they were facing reflected what they thought of themselves.
While in a way, yes, the cool kids got to move on, I think that who got to move on was in part due to Jack and Hurley's status as being former Jacobs. Jack's dad and Hurley's momentary girlfriend show up and Ana-Lucia gets held back.
Anyway, I really liked it. The emotional moments were just as hard-hitting on the rewatch as they were initially. The action scenes were great. And the moments where Jack the doc is clearly aware that he's a dead man walking, yet knows he still has things to do, I found very moving.
rosengje
June 29, 2010 at 4:47PM EST Reply to CommentLoved reading this. I actually just finished my first run through Lost-- the excitement surrounding the final season finally gave me the impetus to start watching the series from the beginning. The obvious drawback was that I was spoiled for most of the show's grand mythology. But that was almost a blessing in a way. It was frustrating watching storylines that I knew weren't going to go anywhere, but it also allowed me to pay attention to more of the character details. I really enjoyed (although didn't love) my experience watching the show, and the finale reflected that. I was disappointed with a lot of the sideways revelations (and bothered by the problems you pointed out), but many of the character beats of the finale continue to move me.
Rewatching the finale one of the biggest surprises for me was how much I finally liked Jack individually and Jack and Kate together. After hating the love triangle and quadrangle for so many seasons, I finally came to believe in their relationship. The goodbye on the cliff and the reunion in the sideways really worked for me.
Last point: after a second viewing it bothered me more that everyone was so happy after they woke up and realized the nature of the Sideways. Shouldn't Sun and Jin have been at least a little conflicted about their deaths? And I feel like Sayid's memories would have increased his burden in some ways. Juliet was the only one to me that was able to convey a mixture of happiness, at being reunited with Sawyer, and pain, at remembering her death.
mikerwilson
June 29, 2010 at 4:50PM EST Reply to CommentInteresting re-review Alan. I completely agree with your thoughts on the sideways irrelevance to the overall narrative. When I have reflected on Lost over the past month, I have generally ignored the sideways world. One of the thoughts I've repeatedly had is that this season would have been tremendous without the sideways and with a few more answers. A second Richard flashback (with some Ilana explanation, since she was completely useless otherwise), a Claire flashback that explains what happened in the intervening years, and perhaps some focus on Lapidus/Miles would have been a welcome replacement to some of the unnecessary junk we got.
Tom C.
June 29, 2010 at 4:54PM EST Reply to Comment"For the Man Who Has Everything" was very prominent in my mind as I watched Jack with his sideways son. I was also hoping for some variation of the "...but I don't think you're real" scene, but if putting in a scene like that meant we wouldn't get the EPIC Jack/Smoke Monster fight, then I'm happier without it.
OldDarth
June 29, 2010 at 4:55PM EST Reply to CommentGreat thoughts.
Do not agree that the sideways timeline was superfluous or the final 10 minutes render the events of the past 6 seasons impotent. To me it reaffirms that the connections one makes with others in life is the most important thing. The events that forge those connections are not irrelevant but of no value after one dies. An important distinction and one that needs no religious foundations for it to be so.
The proverbial chasing the brass ring concept if you will.
fred
June 29, 2010 at 5:01PM EST Reply to CommentAlan,
Like I said before, I don't share your "enthusiasm"/optimism towards this episode, especially not as a series finale. And I certainly disagree with a few of the things you said here. For instance, you say "we understand the stakes of the island and the forces that brought our characters to it. Some characters die, others escape the island, a new guardian is appointed who plans a new way of running things" -- but do we, really? It's never explicitly said what, if anything, happens if the Island doesn't have a guardian.
Sure, one could easily go on and "assume" or "theorize" or "guess" that that light symbolize time or whatever, but that's the problem. Even after 6 years and a series finale planned long ago (since they had 3 years to get to it/bring us there), we are only left with that, guesses. We suppose this, guess that, but nothing got answer. Well, save for what the sideways were...
And what were they? A way to waste time ("all the time in the Temple (which was both dramatically inert and pointless from an arc perspective)") and a way to trick you. Being happy to see a Sawyer/Juliet reunion, happy shed a few tears over those people you cared for, and this forgetting that none of it made sense, not really.
We needed at least some answers, something that would not make the 5+ years of the show we watched completely useless, pretty much. But this entire final season was poorly constructed, and it's even more so disappointing that it comes after 2 great seasons. It felt like they had a 3-season plan to end the show, but after 2 years they drop everything, every story, character and mystery is simply forgotten, whether from those past 2 years or the early seasons, and they move on to the sideways. They go form great storytelling devices to pointless scenes and plot lines (again, the Temple comes to mind...)
On the answers front: I wasn't looking for a list of answers, far from it, but at the very least one. For instance, had they made it clear (i.e. answered) how the Island "worked," as in it's a place where if one believes in something, it makes it true, somehow. Only that, would have meant - and possibly explained - so much. How Walt made the polar bear appear, how John knew when (or, made it so) the rain would stop, how one becomes the new guardian of the Island (by simply believing one becomes it), how the rules were/are created, etc (one could even try to use it to explain the food drops...)
It would have mean so much, and has an impact on the entire show, yet it was only one single answer that really was provided, still leaving a lot for interpretation.
On the season structure: I'm surprised no one seems to feel what I felt, that after the season 3 finale they seemed to have a clear view of things, what they wanted to tell, where they wanted the show to go, etc It was one story being told, there was a continuity, and then season 6 came. Then we dropped all those new characters, elements, plot lines and mysteries introduced so far (including those two seasons, 4 & 5, time travel, constants, Faraday's time experiment...) and instead they tell the story of the sideways. Then, they answer that, as if the show had always and only been about that, and not the five years before!
It's like they dropped all they wanted to do with those characters/stories, and made it all about the sideways "reality" and what happens after the story. I believe there's a saying, "what matters isn't the destination, but the journey." They did the opposite, made it not about the journey, what people did and lived on the Island, but the destination, where they ended up.
I also hate the idea of the sideways being "once everyone is dead" and not, as many thought, the result of Jack and/or Desmond's actions on the island, because it does make everything not matter at all. It doesn't matter that Claire lived, if the only thing she'll remember once dead, if the only thing that will have mattered to her, was her time with Charlie on the Island (which wasn't always happy-stuff, BTW). Why doesn't she remember she was kidnapped by Ethan & the Others? Or that she spent most of her time there as a crazy blond girl mothering a bunch of whatever that thing was she called her "son" while listening to the MIB? And how about the fact that she very well could have had a long and happy life after the Island, raising Aaron with aunt Kate, maybe met someone, fell in love, got married and lived happily for decades...
Don't you see how different the emotional impact is when it happens not "for real" as a "course correction" or whatever, but after their deaths? Then it's just there so people cry & feel good about the show, somehow, but it's not justified. It changes everything, in the way it is - or should be - perceived. Sun & Jin are happy and smiling cause they never knew their daughter? Juliet died, but who cares? Since in the end she & Sawyer are back together and happy? Had she lived and escaped on the plane with Sawyer, it would have been all the same anyways, so who cares!? Had Sawyer died, he wouldn't have had to suffer decades on being lonely and missing her until he would finally die and see her again...? So maybe it would've been better he died on the Island!??
Watching the episode, I wasn't loving the checklist not of answers, but happy couples (especially when we didn't get Desmond/Penny, or one I was really looking forward to: Ben/Alex! I was hoping for that one, and a great emotional confrontation...), but when it turned out to be a post-death thing, I truly hated it! It's like the writers wanted to have their cake and eat it at the same time, both saying it matters what you do, and whether or not you live or die on the Island, yet at the same time provide a happy ending for everyone, as-if everyone left the same (at the same time), and that feels like such a cheat!
And I could go on and on about things I didn't like, like how I doubt the people in the church all mattered most to one another and were the most important people in their lives. Are you kidding me? As you mentioned, Penny barely met a few of them, and I'm sure Desmond, their little Charlie and all the people in their lives post-Island meant a lot more. How about Rose & Bernard? They live for some time before crashing on the Island, and then they separated themselves to live together, but alone. I doubt all those people were the most important ones for them...
As illustrated especially with Sayid/Shannon, it felt like it was just who was on the Island, that only being on the Island was important, not what you did, whether you were happy there or not, or if you lived after wards or died there.
The lack of continuity with all previous seasons/mysteries, and the complete absence of answers, makes me not want to watch the entire series again. I really disagree with your "the island scenes of "Lost" gave us a beginning, a very long middle, and an end." I don't think so, quite the opposite in fact.
They didn't. Not when I know it's a meaningless succession of things that don't matter in the end. As I read somewhere: "In the end, it's hard not to see Lost as the longest con of them all. Not because we didn't get enough answers - it's really true that after this episode, I don't need any more answers than what we got. But because all along, Lost seemed to be a story. Until the end, when it wasn't. In the end, it was just a bunch of stuff that happened."
I was never a very obsessive fan, but I believe that a good/better finale was possible, with - for example - as I said one answer with a real impact on the entire series, and a sixth season without the sideways reality at all, or - as everyone thought - as a result of Jack/Desmond's action at the Island's heart, and then pretty much everything else as we got it. But as they made it - and the whole season with the sideways destroying the emotional impact of things, and constructed only to have us "fooled" by what they really were in the end - it was such a disappointment.
The writers did a great job, so much so that people seem to (refuse to) see all the many flaws of that ending. It was a good episode (until the end), but a vastly disappointing ending.
At least that's how I feel.
Craig Barnes Wow. That you for the great post. I feel the same way. I know people loved the way the show ended, but I agree with everything you wrote. I still feel that the sideways universe was supposed to be something else (otherwise why show the island underwater, have Faraday's talk to Desmond about how this universe is wrong and was created with an atomic bomb, or have Desmond cross over via exposure to magnetic fields), but in the end the writers needed to shoehorn in the originally conceived ending, so they came up with the ending we got, and then said no Lost was always about the characters, so we don't need to answer all of those questions.
June 29, 2010 at 11:44PM ESTDonnie Lost That pretty much sums it up for me (actually, that was pretty darn long).
June 30, 2010 at 1:23AM ESTBut I do agree. I can appreciate Alan's love for all these individual moments. Other than the patches when the writers were spinning their wheels, they were able to create memorable, moving moments over much of the run.
But more than moments, this was a show built on mysteries. It didn't have to be some kind of ingenius puzzle for it to work. But when you look back, all those little cliffhanging mysteries don't add up to much, if anything. I don't suppose anyone could have patched together a satisyfing conclusion with all these loose ends.
But that's the problem with episode television. Cuse and Lindeloff clearly had no master plan from the outset. If they did, it veered far off track as they added strange twist after strange twist to keep people coming back for more. And all that remains is a bunch of weird stuff that happened.
The finale focused on the dramatically irrelevant afterlife. That island? All that stuff that happened there? Not so important.
Col Bat Guano Nice response and way more eloquent than anything I could write. While I enjoyed the individual moments of the sideways universe, in the end it really had no relevance to the story except to give fans a happy ending. All that time spent wandering around LA could have been used deepening the story about the cave of golden light and why it needed to be protected. What did Widmore and the Others hope to get from it? The story for me was always "Why did the island need these people?" and frankly the answer "Because Jacob wanted to retire." wasn't very satisfying. Giving our favorite characters a nice afterlife doesn't make up for that.
June 30, 2010 at 9:32AM ESTjen I love it. This sums it all up for me. Thank you!
June 30, 2010 at 9:46AM ESTHobart fred:
June 30, 2010 at 11:19AM ESTI had a very different read on the sideways, particularly your belief that the only thing the characters remember is the island. Kate makes the comment that she's missed Jack and its been so long and I definitely got the impression that she had lived a few more decades off island before dying and was able to remember how long it had been since she'd seen Jack.
Now, I'm not sure the sideways was necessary because I felt the on island ending worked amazingly well and the sideways just added some probably unnecessary complications. But I don't see how it in any way invalidated the importance of what we saw on the island.
Season 6 spent a lot of time on the sideways and it was clearly misdirection to imply that it was created by Jughead but the major threads of the previous 5 seasons, namely what is the smoke monster and why is the island special were the driving narrative force of season 6. The
As for why those people, well, let's be honest a lot of it was due to who was available to film the scene and while that doesn't help it make sense, its not a problem that I'm going to spend too much time worrying about.
As for the importance of the island, it seemed to me that, with the help of the other castways, Jack saved the world from the Smoke Monster and falling into Hell or whatever was under that cork. Certainly important enough stakes for me.
Nick I also think you've put it perfectly here. The bottom line is so little ended up adding up. And, as a result, I unfortunately did come away feeling like most of the time I spent watching was a complete waste. To me, this was always far more about mystery and mythology than character. That's what set it apart and kept me, at least, watching. But nearly all of that was dismissed with much of this season and, especially, the finale. Since I never came to care about these people nearly as much as others, it failed enormously for me. And, as Fred says, to do it in the manner they did (via the sideways) on top of that made it feel even cheaper.
June 30, 2010 at 11:29AM ESTzzzdog Fred, I feel just as you do. Having the sideways be a thing of spirit was the equivalent of it being a dream to me. It was a hollow way of tying up loose ends and creating a "happy" ending that I couldn't buy.
June 30, 2010 at 4:57PM ESTI did care for the souls of these characters, but for the previous 6 seasons my primary concern had been for their living lives ... their "real" lives, such as they were. THAT'S what I was invested in, not the happiness of their souls apart from those lives. Their being dead was completely different than their being alive. Anything that happened to them after death was separate and apart from what happened to them in life. I can't stitch the two things together.
You're so right when you say it's just not the same thing. So in the end really, it doesn't matter who got off the island and who died serving the island ... because in the end, they all end up happily dead with one another. .
After 6 years of craziness and mind bending fantasy and dirt and sweat and survival living, for the end to turn into a sanitized, softly lit "all Losties go to Heaven" ending felt like such a deep, deep cheat.
Slushy Agreed. A bunch of weird stuff that happened sums it up perfectly.
July 1, 2010 at 3:38AM ESTLost Is for Dumb Christians
June 29, 2010 at 5:02PM EST Reply to CommentWow, Jesus and God saved them all by giving them an afterlife! Is the Smoke Monster really just Satan?
DonGately Not really adding any value to the discussion, LifDC.
June 30, 2010 at 1:36PM ESTjeannie You need to take your hate elsewhere.
July 3, 2010 at 1:35AM ESTCome to think of it: you need anger management counseling.
Joe
June 29, 2010 at 5:09PM EST Reply to CommentAs much as I came to like him this past season, this was not the Jack Shepherd Show, and that will always bug me about the finale. I know every finale was Jack centric, but still.
It also bugs me that for as "revolutionary" a show as Lost, they could never just drop the flash-whatever storytelling.
Hobart I have to completely disagree with that assessment. From second one of the pilot he was always the most important character in the show.
June 30, 2010 at 10:29AM EST
June 29, 2010 at 5:11PM EST Reply to CommentI haven't re-watched the finale, though now I might later tonight. One thing I want to note before then: I really wasn't bothered by the the "Who is/isn't in the church?" question. I'm not sure exactly why (and I was waiting for the outrigger time-loop to be closed as eagerly as Alan was), but by the time we'd gotten the Ben/Hurley and Jack/Christian scenes I just wasn't concerned with it any more. (Just to be clear: I'm not saying it's not something to be concerned about, just that it didn't matter to me by then)
One other thing: the thing I definitely was upset about is that in retrospect I see no reason to believe the sideways universe was caused by "The Incident," which makes the whole thing feel a bit like a bait and switch (sort of like a season-long "Ji Yeon").
Paul C
June 29, 2010 at 5:17PM EST Reply to CommentI concur with what you said about Matthew Fox. The finale was the first in a long, long, long time that I warmed to him and was actually cheering for him to beat Smokey.
My opinion of the finale still remains the same - could have done with a few more answers, but the sheer amount of characters moments made it a very satisfying watch.
There's a bit of a nagging doubt though, that if I ever watched the whole series from start-to-finish I'd get annoyed at them posing some of the questions knowing there would be no answers.
Even in the finale, stuff like Ben escaping the fallen tree was just bizarre. And why did Sayid end up with Shannon instead of Nadia (not because she wasn't on the island, neither was Penny)? Why was Richard - who had been such a good servant to original Jacob - not reunited with his wife? Why weren't Walt & Michael there too?
But it *is* a show I definitely want to re-visit a good few years down the line.
KarenX
June 29, 2010 at 5:46PM EST Reply to CommentIt's funny how people wonder about Ben stuck beneath the tree. It was pouring rain; they just dug out a little bit of softy muddy ground from under him and pulled him free. After their requisite five seconds of panic passed (which was what was shown), it was the obvious thing to do.
Hobart I have a feeling there's a scene about how Ben got out from under the tree that was cut for time.
June 30, 2010 at 10:31AM ESTgregmc311 Exactly Hobart. Why focus on things on a TV show that are negatives because it is a TV show. They have to edit things down and found that the answer to Ben getting out is what people would guess anyways. Its the same thing that happened with a scene where Richard supposedly sees the atomic bomb go off. It was edited out probably because they figured the season should end without it being obvious that the bomb did go off.
June 30, 2010 at 11:35PM ESTDan
June 29, 2010 at 5:54PM EST Reply to CommentThe thing I've recently realized with Ben is that Desmond never really intended to help him "let go". If he had wanted to, he could have done that the first time he sees him in the school parking lot before hitting Locke with the car. He was only really there because of Locke and the first place, and he only beats on Ben in a fit of anger. It seemed almost accidental. Whatever being "ready" meant, I don't think Desmond really thought Ben was ready to "move on". Which makes more sense to me when we see that Ben doesn't think he's ready either.
Ken Raining That's a very good observation. Desmond certainly has no reason to want to "unlock" Ben, as he tried to kill Penny once.
June 30, 2010 at 12:41AM ESTbriguyx
June 29, 2010 at 5:57PM EST Reply to CommentJust want to point out that what Jack actually said was, "If we don't live together, then we'll die alone," which makes more sense in the context of the series.
Every year I've watched the whole season again after I've gotten the DVD, so I won;t be watching the finale until then. However, I did catch a rerun of the season premiere recently and laughed at the scene where Charlie has locked himself in the airport lav. After Jack saves his life, Charlie asks, "Am I alive?" to which Jack says yes. Guess he had that wrong, and I'm sure there will be lots of stuff like that when I watch it back!
PotatoSolution Nice catch on the Charlie comment.
June 29, 2010 at 6:44PM ESTAnd didn't Hurley say on the plane that "I'm the luckiest guy alive"? As it turns out, there are more than a few reasons why he was wrong...
Rob
June 29, 2010 at 6:07PM EST Reply to CommentWhen the finale originally aired, my girlfriend and I watched it together and loved every second of it. We felt that every aspect of it was knocked out the park emotionally.
Over the past month and a half, I've read alot of comments and boards with people complaining about plot holes and things they think are plot holes that really aren't but jus arent explicitly explained. The 2 biggest being pregnancy on the island and desmond's season 6 arc.
the pregnancy is easy to explain; whatever happened, happened. The bomb went off in 1977. The radiation mixed with the EM from the swan site caused men and women on the island to go sterile and affect pregnancies that did occur. It isn't but isn't hard to figure out.
Desmond. Desmond is the hardest to figure out because it doesn't make sense in our understanding of the afterlife. But, based on what we saw we know his consciousness can go backwards and forwards in time. Based on the Purgatory we saw, they are able to keep their consiousness in the afterlife and remember their lives. So, if a than b is tru, its not impossible to imagine that Desmond's conscious jumped into the afterlife following the rules of LOST but since he hadn't died had no clue where he was.
I can understand people not getting what they wanted out of the finale but in this guys book it worked for me and can't wait to see the DVD and listen to the commentaries and see the extra feature and what that adds.
Mulderism
June 29, 2010 at 6:10PM EST Reply to CommentI rewatched the 'enhanced' finale a week after it aired. The pop-ups offered some explanations but were totally absent for the final act.
The finale definitely hit all the emotional buttons. I still teared up with the final image of Vincent lying beside Jack as he closed his eyes for the final time.
But reflecting back on the show now, I feel empty. In past seasons I reflected on the episodes and the finale and wondered what would happen the following season. Now I know it's over and that I'll never see another new episode. But I don't feel satisfied.
I have always defended Lost. I felt that Darlton saw the big picture and that they were gradually filling in the holes of the mosaic. It now seems there were more holes than they thought and they actually stuck on a few more holes instead of filling in the ones they had.
Lost, I think, is unique in that it was ALL mythology. Shows like The X-files and Battlestar Galactica had their mythology episodes but also stand-alone episodes. Every episode of Lost dealt with the mythology (except for maybe the one with Nicki and Paulo - but it still answered a few things).
For me, The X-Files and Battlestar Galactica are prime examples of shows that built up a rich mythology and virtually destroyed everything good they did with poor, unsatisfying endings. I don't think I could stand to revisit either of these series.
I don't lump in Lost with those shows, but I definitely feel that the ending did not live up to the potential that I had hoped. I will probably rewatch the whole series again at some point but I don't think I will ever enjoy it as much.
Darlton should have realized that their audience is not as well read as they are and that subtle clues they left (e.g. the book Desmond was reading on 815 in the sideways "Haroun and the Sea of Stories") are not going to be picked up by most.
It was would be nice to get some answers to bring real closure to the show. Even if it was in the form of a novel or a FAQ section on the DVDs.
AB BSG's finale is so many worlds better than LOST. I really can't wrap my mind around how you could argue otherwise. Literally can't comprehend.
June 30, 2010 at 10:39AM ESTMulderism Believe it.
June 30, 2010 at 7:27PM ESTBSG began to fall apart for me around the middle of season 2. It never regained the quality of the first season. It didn't help that RDM basically said in his podcasts that they were making things up as they went along.
starkey
June 29, 2010 at 6:21PM EST Reply to CommentKate got a lot of criticism during the entire season, but I thought she was really good during the finale. Her scene with Jack where he doesn't realize where they are yet is really heartbreaking. When she says "I missed you" the acting makes you realize it has probably been decades since her time on the island and always cared about Jack.
She won't be nominated, but I think she should be for this episode.
Overall, I thought the episode was fantastic, and I've seen it three times. I didn't like the sideways reveal the first time through, so I was distracted during the final scenes, but on the second watch I realized they're perfectly done. Starting with Jack and Christian's conversation to the final shot, the editing, directing, music, and acting are top-notch; near perfection.
baz1860
June 29, 2010 at 6:44PM EST Reply to CommentI'm not sure whether its just a continuity error, or something more to read into within the mythology of the series (I think its a continuity error if I'm honest, but with Lost, one never knows) but this is something I haven't seen mentioned anywhere else;
Why does Kate change after dropping Jack off at the church right at the end of the finale? We get that view of her still wearing the dress Desmond gave her to wear to the concert, and her legs as she walks away, but then when Jack enters the church merely minutes later, Kate is wearing a much more casual ensemble. I assume it was a continuity thing, but it seems bizarre that they would miss something like that in the last 10-15 mins of the series finale...
JMC Imagine Kate has been in 'running away' mode, handed a dress by Desmond that she may never have picked out herself, sits in a concert, delivers a baby and *snap* at that moment remembers her entire life (before and way after the island - maybe she dies peacefully of old age?). Her *true* self comes into focus! She now knows that her long lost love Jack is soon to appear. You have a few minutes to spare. Wouldn't you, if you could, take the time to put on a dress that is actually something the *real* you would want to wear? :-)
July 1, 2010 at 9:36PM EST
There's definite logic to that, but I suppose my other question then is, where do the clothes come from? She arrives at the church with Jack, walks from the car with nothing other than herself and the dress and ends up in different clothes in the church. Are we to assume that someone else brought clothes for her with them? I suppose if its the same clothes she was wearing pre-dress, then they might be with Desmond...
July 9, 2010 at 7:59AM ESTIts nitpicking on a high level, and in no way reflects how much I loved the finale, and the series as a whole, but it surprised me to see what seemed like such an odd continuity error sneak in at such an important point in the finale.
crumdawg baz1860 - I think they can get away with pretty much anything in the Sideways, because it's a timeless place. As Christian said, "There is no now, here." For that matter, you could make the argument that it isn't a PHYSICAL reality, and that no matter what Kate is wearing, there is no dress. Remember what the child said to Neo in The Matrix - "Do not try to bend the spoon, that is impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth...There is no spoon."
July 12, 2010 at 2:53PM ESTbuzmeg
June 29, 2010 at 7:00PM EST Reply to CommentI've watched "The End" at least a dozen times. I loved it on May 23rd and I still love it. And yes, the tears still flow.
Giacchino is a genius and the scoring was superb.
June 29, 2010 at 7:10PM EST Reply to CommentFor some reason I have been thinking about this episode the last few days but I have had the opposite feeling towards it. When it first aired I enjoyed it until the last 20 minutes but those minutes so much that along with the wasteland that was season 6 it was a huge disappointment. Thinking it over these last few days and I believe that most of the last episode was a waste. The reunion of say Sawyer and Juliet for example was nice watching it in real time but in the overview is nothing more than emotional pornography that was not in the service of the story. That was the problem with all of the side ways flashbacks they had nothing to do with the characters at all. It was a cheap story telling gimmick that allowed the writers to bring about a 80's sitcom series finale. There was no way to bring back the characters they killed so they invited this to do so. The internal consistency did not exist in these stories and while a few where nice character pieces to the larger narrative they did not matter. This unfortunately spread to the main characters and time line. Everything they lead us to believe was important did not matter or to use the apologist line what ever happened happened or it was all about the characters. If it was about characters why did the character arcs of so many of the characters just fail completely. Jin, Sun, and Sayaid where abandoned to auto pilot the last 2 plus seasons with no arc that mattered. Ben had a great arc that was abandoned mid way though this season when the plot needed him to jump between the different sides. Jack was the only one that really had an interesting arc this last season.
GonzoM
June 29, 2010 at 7:16PM EST Reply to CommentAs far as I see it Jacob didn't really con MIB. Ironically, the only persom who conned MIB (a surrogate Set/Satan figure) was MIB himself and Jacob counted on this.
Fresh Prince of Oceanic 815 Will Smith is the original MIB.
June 29, 2010 at 7:40PM EST
June 29, 2010 at 8:01PM EST Reply to CommentI think Ben didn't enter heaven is because he's still on the island as it's guardian.
The JP
June 29, 2010 at 8:53PM EST Reply to CommentThe flash-sideways sound effect is the same sound the heart of the island made as despond pulled out the cork.
kendynamo
June 29, 2010 at 9:16PM EST Reply to Commentmore comic book geekery digression... you know what other classic story dealt with alternative realities, how different realities effect each other, and if 'true love' transcends these realities, is the Byrne/Claremont X-Men triumph 'Days of Future Past'. The true love in question is future 'Katherine' Pryde and Colossus. the big question left unanswered at the end of the far too brief two part story is if, after succeeding in her mission back in 'present' time, does kitty goes back to her original time line with nothing changed, if she goes back to a 'fixed' new future, or if her time line gets erased and future kitty just fades into oblivion. If it's the latter case, was it worth it?
Scott
June 29, 2010 at 10:11PM EST Reply to CommentThe thing I liked the most about the sideways reveal was that it doesn't matter when a character died throughout the run of the show. Whether it's Boone dying in season 1, Charlie dying in season 3, or Jack dying in the final moments, they all share a place equally in the afterlife because they were all important to each other. I love that because it really made me feel like the smaller characters who may not have had a major role in the later seasons still had an overall importance to the show as a whole.
Narrim
June 29, 2010 at 10:40PM EST Reply to CommentI can't think about Lost anymore without getting pissed off and I absolutely loved the finale when it aired. But time passes and any thought about a character or a plot just ties into the whole web of nothing. I'm a character guy, but also a theory man. I don't give a hoot about the four-toed statue, what the numbers are, or what all the Stations are and what they do. But why is Walt so special? What's the deal with Ben and Widmore? Why did nearly every single character go down the crapper once the Hatch was opened? Why is Sayid talking with a British accent? Why is it all about Jack?
This used to be an ensemble show. Every character was represented. Every character had plots and sub-plots running through multiple episodes. Every actor got to display their chops, speak a few lines, and interact with different people. The show was guilty of it a few times early on, but I absolutely hated how the final few seasons were all about moving from one place to another, touching on some minor island mythology, leaving it as a question for a later that never comes, and moving back to the beach or a Hatch or Dharmaville for five mintues to go somewhere else. There's some light banter, but usually only between the group's leader and whomever has the episode that week. And anyone who isn't in charge has a select few lines to keep quota: "Have you seen my husband?" "I got a plan, " "*insert awesome Lapidus one-liner here*". Outside of Jack, maybe Sawyer and Hurley, everybody was written terribly outside their episodes. Maybe that's what happens when you've been plagued by a vengeful island spirit that keeps you moving about a chessboard to kill a Smoke Monster or something. It's heartbreaking to see how jaded and wartorn everyone was towards the end of Band of Brothers. Maybe it's the same. Jin's just the Luger Sun really, really wants.
I just can't think of Lost without focusing on all the balls they dropped and all the great characters that are just simply cast aside. Remember when Boone died? Remember how big and devastating that was? Or how shocking it was when Steve/Scott got killed? What about Charlie? He had a whole season devoted to it. Now, remember the Rousseau family? Daniel Faraday? Ilana? Sayid, Jin, and Sun? Every single extra ever? It happens in life, but this is a narrative. I don't want the body count to be just a statistic to show off the new menace or grave situation. Especially when it doesn't even add anything but shock. I don't know.
I'm sorry, but I need to vent. It's not coherent and it doesn't cover a sizable fraction of my feelings. Season 1 I will always be able to watch and enjoy. I'm sure of this. But everything after the raft takes off... it just hurts to think about everything that was wasted.
Donnie Lost Amen. This show should have lasted two seasons. Build on the first one and create a coherent ending. Instead (and I understand $$why$$$), we got year after year of mysteries that don't add up to anything satisfying followed by an feel-good afterlife coda that could have capped any show.
June 30, 2010 at 1:32AM ESTQuestion: In the Cheers sideways universe, is Sam walking into the light with Diane or Rebecca? Maybe Coach?
Reed
June 29, 2010 at 10:57PM EST Reply to CommentI have a feeling that a scene in which Ben escapes the fallen tree exists, but was a victim to the editing process. It probably interrupted the flow of everything else that was going on, and if that's the case, I'm alright with it. I wouldn't be surprised if it showed up as a deleted scene on the DVD.
Hatfield Don't they show Sawyer grab a large branch that he plans to use as leverage to lift the tree just before they cut to the cliffs?
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