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'Lost': The B.S. Report

Bill Simmons chats with me and some of his friends about the "Lost" finale.

By Alan Sepinwall Monday, May 24, 2010 5:37 PM

One of the more affecting moments of the "Lost" finale.

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Bill Simmons invited me as the first of three guests (the other two are his buddy Gus and Chuck Klosterman) to talk about the "Lost" finale on today's "B.S. Report" podcast. (And recording that podcast overrode any attempt that Fienberg and I might have made to do a special Monday Firewall & Iceberg podcast devoted to "Lost." Rest assured we will spend a lot of Wednesday's show on it.) My thoughts aren't much different than what I expressed in last night's review, but Bill does suggest a couple of "Lost" spin-offs that hadn't occurred to me in all my talk of a Sawyer/Miles cop show or a Ben/Locke high school drama.

Perhaps when I've had a fuller night's sleep, my opinion might change, but I'm curious - especially since the comments in the original post have now topped the 400 mark - whether any of you woke up this morning feeling differently about "The End" than you did when it finished last night, whether for better or for worse.

And please remember, as always: be civil. You can disagree about the quality of the finale without attacking those you disagree with. Talk about the show, not each other.

Alan Sepinwall
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Adam

Has anyone discussed how fans seemed to totally buy into the button pushing savign the world, but not keeping the light corked that does the same? Seems both requires faith, and faith was the decided winner over science in LOST, even back in Season 2. So why didn't viewers believe in the light the same way they believed in the button?
May 24, 2010 at 5:45PM EST Reply to Comment
- Big Jonny I don't know, I think Locke/SM/Darkside Guy also had to get off the island. All Desmond did was make Locke human and killable, witnessed by the bloody nose Jack gave him. Turning the light out made it "possible" for the world to end, but didn't necessarily end it in and of itself. My 2 cents.
  May 24, 2010 at 6:27PM EST
- MyGoldenBowl I think the difficulty with the whole light source concept was that we weren't sure whether to trust what "Mother" told her twin sons (Jacob and MIB twin brother.) It seemed kind of far-fetched, like she was selling some fable to her naive boys -- and I didn't want to be duped too. If Jacob had brought Locke or Jack there, it would have been a different story. Even MIB. And Desmond was much more believable with the button pushing. He was frantic. His urgency was convincing. Mother's emotional presence didn't seem to vary much in temperature. She was sinister and conniving, like a rat. I think this is a matter of believing the messenger. So yes, it's faith -- but not faith without something or someone to believe in.
  May 24, 2010 at 10:39PM EST
- Mike C. Adam, I can only speak from my perspective, but I never saw the button as something that was literally "saving the world" until after we saw what happened when someone failed to push it. So there was a lot of mystery surrounding the button, and we had an ENTIRE SEASON to wonder about what would happen. We didn't learn about the light cork's existence until "Across the Sea" and didn't see it until the finale, and at that late stage of the game it just felt a little forced and silly. To me, anyway.
  May 28, 2010 at 1:41AM EST
Now that I've had some more time to think about it, my opinion of the finale has only gotten more and more favorable. I can't think of a more fitting ending for the show.

BTW, you can see my whole video review at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWLsiAuVXrk

The island, just like life, isn't about getting answers, it's about the choices you make with the information you have.

May 24, 2010 at 5:45PM EST Reply to Comment
gmt

Rewatched the episode in the morning and though I loved it last night it seemed even better with my second viewing. I've always been far more interested in the characters than the mysteries and mythology so the unanswered questions don't bug me... much.
May 24, 2010 at 5:47PM EST Reply to Comment
Ron

Nope, I'm not feeling any less angry.
May 24, 2010 at 5:47PM EST Reply to Comment
As I said on your review, this is another 'Daybreak' (BSG finale) -- I'm going to be spending some time processing a lot of "loved this, hated that, have no idea what the hell is going on over there" moments before I can make a judgement. While I don't think I'm going to end up loving 'The End" as much as 'Daybreak' (which I ADORE with reservations), I still prefer being challenged and even annoyed by a show than having another "It wasn't bad, but I'm going to forget this in ten minutes" experience.
May 24, 2010 at 5:48PM EST Reply to Comment
- JWIII I disagree and here's why. BSG had always left it rather open to interpretation whether religion or non-religious activity was occurring. The finale summed everything up by aligning itself to a monotheistic religion and rejecting science for a return to nature. Then they connected it to our world. Additionally, the guy appeared in the final episode.
  
  LOST has always been about faith & science (or logic or the ability to rationally reflect). Bot any particular belief in a god but faith as an idea. The ability to say I have to let go of my rational senses and take a chance in the dark because I know it in my gut. The LOST finale didn't align itself with any religion nor did it revoke science as BSG did.
  
  If anything they gave us more questions as to why the island really was and allow the audience to have fun speculating on its nature.
  May 24, 2010 at 8:57PM EST
- JWIII I disagree and here's why. BSG had always left it rather open to interpretation whether religion or non-religious activity was occurring. The finale summed everything up by aligning itself to a monotheistic religion and rejecting science for a return to nature. Then they connected it to our world. Additionally, the guy appeared in the final episode.
  
  LOST has always been about faith & science (or logic or the ability to rationally reflect). Bot any particular belief in a god but faith as an idea. The ability to say I have to let go of my rational senses and take a chance in the dark because I know it in my gut. The LOST finale didn't align itself with any religion nor did it revoke science as BSG did.
  
  If anything they gave us more questions as to why the island really was and allow the audience to have fun speculating on its nature.
  May 24, 2010 at 8:59PM EST
- JWIII: At this point, I'm not going to change your mind (or you mine) about the BSG finale but I've never understood the whole "fundamentalist Luddite" criticism.
  
  But the more I think about it, the more I'm coming to agree with IO9's Charlie Jane Anders' that LOST has been the ultimate long con. 'The End' is full of lovely moments the cast worked their collective arses off to put over. But the more I think about it, the more incoherent and nonsensical it all becomes. It can't "revoke" what it never believed in; and its spirituality drizzled away in a flurry of Oprah-ready Hallmark card banalities.
  May 24, 2010 at 10:51PM EST
Robert

After sleeping on it, I found my opinion of the episode was worse. The emotion wore off, and now there's so many unanswered questions.
May 24, 2010 at 5:50PM EST Reply to Comment
christy

Definitely! After I finished it last night, I felt kind of like "well, that was awesome, but what happened?"

And today, the more I think about it, the more I love it. Love, love, love it.

It probably helps that despite not getting a lot of specific answers, what we did get doesn't contradict what my working theory was. So now that I know there are no more answers forthcoming, I can just sit back and assume I was right all along :)
May 24, 2010 at 5:53PM EST Reply to Comment
theattack

I liked the show for what it was when i saw it, and after reading you, Doc Jensen part 1 and some others i feel roughly the same. I gave up the obsession with understanding the mythology years ago, and I have enjoyed it much more. I'm probably not smart enough to follow it all anyway, but still works for me. Thanks Alan.
May 24, 2010 at 5:53PM EST Reply to Comment
Jennifer J.

Honestly, I woke up feeling exactly the same. I felt it was beautiful. I loved the finale. I was emotionally drained last night; I still feel a lot of that. However, I woke up more contented and reassured. I look forward to reading all the comments. It's what makes all of Lost even more special. :)
May 24, 2010 at 5:56PM EST Reply to Comment
christy

Definitely! Last night I was like "well, that was awesome, but what happened?"

Today, the more I think about it, the more I love it. Love, love, love it.

It probably helps that even though we didn't get many specific answers, what we did get didn't contradict what had been my working theory. So now that I know that no more answers are forthcoming, I can sit back and assume I was right all along :)
May 24, 2010 at 5:56PM EST Reply to Comment
- christy You know, someday I'll figure out how to comment on this site :) Sorry for the repeat everyone.
  May 24, 2010 at 6:10PM EST
Kensington

I've definitely soured on it a great deal since last night.
May 24, 2010 at 5:56PM EST Reply to Comment
Tyroc

I liked it more last night when the emotion of those reunion scenes were still washing over me. Especially the Sawyer/Juliette one.

But... I'm also getting more annoyed that the show never lived up to its potential of the first two seasons, and getting the feeling that the producers did not have a big theory from the start of what the island was (or if they did, the island being a cork to a hole from hell or whatever, isn't that exciting at least given how it was explained.)

If the word Pandora had been written in Latin next to the giant cork stone that Desmond finds, I would've been a lot happier. Or if we got one more flashback with Jacob's mom (the terribly miscast Alison Janey) where we saw the woman who put her in charge of the island give her name as Pandora, I would be much happier. But as it is, its this very odd mythology that feels like it was made up at the last moment, even if it wasn't because its never explained further or in more detail.

How did the island become a cork against evil escaping? Who was the original protector of the island? And if let's say our characters had failed and all evil escaped and everyone died, wouldn't our main characters still end up in the same place -- in a purgatory type place where they can still all go into the light? (Meaning the events of the last season had no large effect on that world.) And how the heck is Sayid's one week or less fling with Shannon more meaningful to him than his beloved Nadia?

May 24, 2010 at 5:56PM EST Reply to Comment
- SaveFarris 1. Because of the Island's midi-chlorian count? This is the type of question I assumed Cuseilof would label as "we'd rather not say" because any answer they give would be unsatisfying. Does it hurt Pulp Fiction that you don't know what's in the Briefcase? Does it hurt Buffy that we don't know how Sunnydale became a Hellmouth?
  May 24, 2010 at 7:45PM EST
- Tyroc You make a good point, but in Buffy's case the Hellmouth was introduced pretty early on. Here, early on Charlie asked "Guys, where are we?" and the answer came right before the end... an island that has a cork that keeps out evil. And as a lot of the series was about Charlie's question, the answer was a little lacking I guess.
  
  But still better than the midichlorian count for sure!
  May 24, 2010 at 8:14PM EST
- Chrissy I still hold that the island is a space ship. So much falls into place if you just allow for alien tech.
  May 24, 2010 at 10:57PM EST
- Orange_Scissors If our characters had failed on-Island, there wouldn't have been any light for them to go into in the Altered Universe. That world was a construct of the Island's energy (the source of life/death/space-time as we know it) and would have snuffed out of existence as quickly as the real world had the Island been destroyed.
  
  Besides, while Jack may have died on-Island in the finale, Hugo, Ben, Kate, Sawyer, Claire, Richard, Miles, Lapidus, Desmond, Penny, Rose, and Bernard had their whole lives to live between the end of the on-Island events shown and the return of their memories (of their entire lives) in the Altered Universe.
  
  The Altered Universe / Sideways world (assumably created by the survivors during The Incident) was never "truth" or what was meant to be, as Charlie and Faraday told Desmond - it was our survivors' attempt to change the past, which turned out to be impossible - but at least through connecting with one another they were able to remember their true-timeline lives and get a second/final chance at making peace with their lives and loved ones before "moving on."
  May 25, 2010 at 12:48PM EST
I've come to peace with it more than I had last night. Emotionally, I'm very satisfied and thought it was great. I think last night I was frustrated enough by some of the sloppy narrative that it took me out of the show in some spots. Discussing it today has helped remind me how much awesomeness there was.
Intellectually, I still think it got sloppy and was unsatisfying. I'm really only hung up on one thing primarily: I feel like they directly implied at the beginning of the season that the alt-verse was a result of the bomb going off, yet at the end the alt-verse was whatever it was, and there really seems to be no connection to the bomb. Why is the island at the bottom of the ocean in that opening shot? So the bomb went off, and it blew them back to 2007 and that was it?
May 24, 2010 at 5:58PM EST Reply to Comment
- Sareeta I agree about the island at the bottom of the ocean. How did it sink? I thought maybe unplugging the cork caused it, since the island was crumbling to bits while Jack and MIB were fighting. But Jack's last scene showed him lying there peacefully staring up as the plane flew away; the island appeared to be OK. Was he too late when he plugged the cork and the island and everyone left on it sank to the bottom of the sea?
  May 24, 2010 at 6:40PM EST
- Sareeta I agree about the island at the bottom of the ocean. How did it sink? I thought maybe unplugging the cork caused it, since the island was crumbling to bits while Jack and MIB were fighting. But Jack's last scene showed him lying there peacefully staring up as the plane flew away; the island appeared to be OK. Was he too late when he plugged the cork and the island and everyone left on it sank to the bottom of the sea?
  May 24, 2010 at 6:41PM EST
- Scott J. That's right. They showed in "LA X" that the alt-verse was a result of the bomb going off. So why do you discount that, knowing what we do now?
  
  Christian said that Jack and his friends made this place, and that their time on the Island was the most important time of their lives. I don't think he just meant for them personally. It was important in the grand scheme of things.
  
  Remember, Jack said in "The Incident" that nothing in his life had ever felt so right as dropping that bomb. I believe it was their most important act on the Island. That leap of faith is what created this afterplace. A place where people have a second chance. Where they are not guided by the Island or destiny. Where they can each find their own path to redemption.
  May 24, 2010 at 6:50PM EST
- Otto Man Sareeta: Remember, the island was on the bottom of the ocean in the alt-universe; while Jack's final scene was in the real one.
  
  As I see it, the alt-universe represented a perfect world, and thus was one without the island that brought them so much complication and trouble.
  May 24, 2010 at 8:33PM EST
Kensington

I've definitely soured since last night. Did they ever even bother explaining why it was so important that the smoke monster stay trapped on the island? Was it just because he was a smoke monster? Because, quite frankly, I think that getting off the island would have improved his attitude immensely.
May 24, 2010 at 5:58PM EST Reply to Comment
- Orange_Scissors I took it to be that if he got off-Island, it would have essentially had the same effect on existence, causing the Island's destruction since he was an embodiment of the Island's energy. He's leaves, the Island's energy (the source of all life/death/space-time) gets snuffed out. That's what Widmore and Richard said anyway. Smokey may have known this as well, but I doubt he believed it. To him it was just a damn Island.
  May 25, 2010 at 12:57PM EST
Mike W.

Feeling better, now that many things are gelling in my mind; especially the idea that they all came to the island alone, unconnected to other people, but they became so close and important to each other that their souls/spirits created a place for them all to come together in the afterlife. Basically, that their experience meant they would never be alone or lost again.
-Mike W.
May 24, 2010 at 5:59PM EST Reply to Comment
girly

Hi Alan,

I woke up feeling very content.
My love for the finale is only getting stronger with each viewing.
May 24, 2010 at 6:04PM EST Reply to Comment
Chester

I enjoyed the finale when I saw it last night, and nothing has changed since then. Is it the greatest series finale in the history of television? No. But, given the fact that the writers were faced with a seemingly impossible task of trying bring some kind of a sense of closure to the broad pastiche that is "Lost," I think they did a pretty nice job. Moreover, I am ok with not having every little mystery solved, because the answers provided would surely have proven to be disappointing. It was about as good as one can expect.
May 24, 2010 at 6:07PM EST Reply to Comment
Girly

I woke up feeling content.
My love for the finale gets stronger with each viewing. But for me - Lost was always about love: love for the characters and the love shared among them.
May 24, 2010 at 6:08PM EST Reply to Comment
globetrotter

After (very little) sleep last night and a few hours of processing today, I'm appreciating it even more. I was very emotionally satisfied immediately after watching the episode, but today I'm thinking about how the finale commented so profoundly on all the great themes that Lost explored over the last six seasons: free will and destiny, life and death, redemption, living as a community, etc. This show has been magic, and I'm convinced it will only get better with repeat viewings.
May 24, 2010 at 6:13PM EST Reply to Comment
globetrotter

After (very little) sleep last night and a few hours of processing today, I'm appreciating it even more. I was very emotionally satisfied immediately after watching the episode, but today I'm thinking about how the finale commented so profoundly on all the great themes that Lost explored over the last six seasons: free will and destiny, life and death, redemption, living as a community, etc. This show has been magic, and I'm convinced it will only get better with repeat viewings.
May 24, 2010 at 6:13PM EST Reply to Comment
Jean

The more I think about it and let it sink in, the worse I feel about The End. Last night I think I was still pretty emotionally raw about it and more accepting; this was my favorite show, and I would have accepted pretty much anything LOST handed me in a finale. But having slept on it, and after reading many a recap today, I'm feeling gypped. I realize there was no way to give us ALL the answers, but a few more would have been nice. I do love the characters - and for me, it was more about the people than the mythology. That said, and given that we ended up with a form of purgatory after all, why couldn't the ISLAND have been heaven's waiting room vs. the Sideways world? I would have preferred if season 6 answered more of the mysteries about Dharma, Eloise, Widmore, etc. and had left the Sideways storyline alone. Ditto with the time travel from last season; was that really necessary? Because I know for a lot of people who USED to watch the show, that's when it jumped the shark for them.

And speaking of things I could have done without: I would have much preferred more of a deep-dive into the Ben/Widmore war (with Eloise thrown in for good measure) vs. the whole Jacob/MIB story.
May 24, 2010 at 6:17PM EST Reply to Comment
- kadoogan I have a feeling that the Island initially was supposed to be the purgatory/waiting room, but so many people (i.e., fans and viewers of the show) bandied about that theory during season one that Darlton had to come up with something other idea as to what the island was...while still holding on to the purgatory/waiting room idea.
  May 24, 2010 at 8:06PM EST
- Orange_Scissors I don't know, i think the Island being a real-world spout of the electromagnetically-charged energy that makes up life, death, and space-time is more interesting/new than it being a place for post-death existence.
  
  That the Altered Universe took on this role was just a nice way for the survivors to let go of their lives more easily -- the result of their failed attempt to reboot time and undo the pain in their lives. Instead they had to accept it and move on...
  May 25, 2010 at 1:03PM EST
The more I think about it, the more it wrecks me emotionally. It was beautiful.
May 24, 2010 at 6:18PM EST Reply to Comment
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John Smallberries

I was getting a strong vibe back to Greek mythology like "The Odyssey" over the last few seasons, with the strange goings on, mysteries, etc, back to the first season. The origin of all written myth making. Then, my first thought at the end of the show last night went to Dante, and the journey through the underworld to come out the other end into the light. In that context, my first flash after seeing the wreckage at the end was that they were all dead from the crash on, and the other characters were interacting with the souls of the passengers in that journey. The flash sideways was more metaphysical than actual, and created through the will of Hurley and Ben as they became the guides of the journey on the death of Jacob and then Jack. I was going back and forth between the ideas of the island being real and the island being the first phase of the afterlife.

However, that does not matter as much as the emotional closure for the characters at the end, and just becomes something else people will argue about.
May 24, 2010 at 6:28PM EST Reply to Comment
Narrim

I went to sleep in a state of bliss. There weren't answers, but there was closure and a feeling that this is what life is like. It's how we live and who we meet along the way that we take with us when we pass on. There are things we won't know and mistakes we make, but they won't matter if truly try our hardest for the people we love and those that love us.

Woke up in a state of stressing over answers and dropped plotlines, but I've mellowed since then. It's helps when adding a dash of humor by comparing this finale to Supernatural's and seeing all the comparisons I could make.

I do hope Mark Pellegrino stops stalking my tv set like he's 815 though. It's getting creepy.
May 24, 2010 at 6:36PM EST Reply to Comment
Andy

Alan, I'm sure I won't be the first to say it, but I miss your old blog. Reading and participating in the comments was far more pleasant. Some of the old readers are obviously still around and commenting, but the larger audience does not make for a better community. I liken it to reading a column on EW.com now, some great articles there as well, but the comments are insufferable at times.
May 24, 2010 at 6:50PM EST Reply to Comment
Shannon

Last night I was a little confused, and too overwhelmed to really process what had happened, but today I have decided that I loved it. They didn't give us many answers, but I find that I simply don't care. I got to see all the characters I've come to love get fitting endings and find happiness with each other, even if only in the afterlife. I felt so much while watching this episode, and really, what more can you ask from a television show? I so prefer this kind of ending than one that focused on answering questions.
May 24, 2010 at 6:59PM EST Reply to Comment
chi

I dreamed about the show ALL NIGHT. It kept waking me up! So, now...I still love it, still feel completely emotionally satisfied, and even if the ending is still problematic, I can go with it. I feel a small amount of lingering disappointment with the directions I wished the show had gone in, and the time that wasted on the likes of Turban Tim that maybe could have been used to fill in some more mythology, but with the overall meaning of the show, very happy.
May 24, 2010 at 7:12PM EST Reply to Comment
Narrim

Angel has a few notable episodes where they revealed a big guest star at the end of the episode, usually after a surprise reveal. So, not just BSG.

May 24, 2010 at 7:15PM EST Reply to Comment
- Chrissy At least in one of them, I believe they got around it by not giving that character lines.
  May 24, 2010 at 11:01PM EST
Sareeta

The final shot of Jack's eye closing has been stuck in my head all day today, and it makes me tear up every time I remember it. I don't think I'll be watching this episode again for quite some time because it is too emotional.

I was satisfied with the finale last night, and am still satisfied. All I needed was closure for the characters, and that's what I got. We already saw in season 4 what happened to the Oceanic 6 when they got rescued so we really didn't need to see it play out for the final survivors. Some things are best left to the imagination. I'd like to think that Kate, Claire, Aaron, Sawyer, Miles, Richard, Lapidus, Hurley, Rose, Bernard, and Vincent lived long, happy lives.

As for the sideways/afterlife, I think they represent the life each character wished for deep down inside. Maybe if he hadn't become so obsessed with revenge on his father, Sawyer would have chosen the respectable path of a cop in his real life rather than that of a con-man. Jack wanted to have a relationship with a son of his own (who looked more like Christian than either Jack or Juliet) since he didn't have a good relationship with his own dad. Sun and Jin wanted a second chance to make their marriage work.

As for MIB, interestingly, I don't think he lied when he told Sayid he could bring back his loved one(s) and Sayid would be able to see them again... He just didn't mention that it would be in the afterlife.
May 24, 2010 at 7:19PM EST Reply to Comment

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gmt Rewatched the episode in the morning and though I loved it last night it seemed even better with my second viewing. I've always been far more interested in the characters than the mysteries and mythology so the unanswered questions don't bug me... much.

Ron Nope, I'm not feeling any less angry.

Robert After sleeping on it, I found my opinion of the episode was worse. The emotion wore off, and now there's so many unanswered questions.

christy You know, someday I'll figure out how to comment on this site :) Sorry for the repeat everyone.

Kensington I've definitely soured on it a great deal since last night.

Chrissy I still hold that the island is a space ship. So much falls into place if you just allow for alien tech.

Otto Man Sareeta: Remember, the island was on the bottom of the ocean in the alt-universe; while Jack's final scene was in the real one.As I see it, the alt-universe represented a perfect world, and thus was one without the island that brought them so much complication and trouble.

girly Hi Alan,I woke up feeling very content.My love for the finale is only getting stronger with each viewing.

Girly I woke up feeling content.My love for the finale gets stronger with each viewing. But for me - Lost was always about love: love for the characters and the love shared among them.

The more I think about it, the more it wrecks me emotionally. It was beautiful.

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Narrim Angel has a few notable episodes where they revealed a big guest star at the end of the episode, usually after a surprise reveal. So, not just BSG.

Chrissy At least in one of them, I believe they got around it by not giving that character lines.

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gmt

Rewatched the episode in the morning and though I loved it last night it seemed even better with my second viewing. I've always been far more interested in the characters than the mysteries and mythology so the unanswered questions don't bug me... much.

Ron

Nope, I'm not feeling any less angry.

Robert

After sleeping on it, I found my opinion of the episode was worse. The emotion wore off, and now there's so many unanswered questions.

Kensington

I've definitely soured on it a great deal since last night.

Otto Man Sareeta: Remember, the island was on the bottom of the ocean in the alt-universe; while Jack's final scene was in the real one.

As I see it, the alt-universe represented a perfect world, and thus was one without the island that brought them so much complication and trouble.

girly

Hi Alan,

I woke up feeling very content.
My love for the finale is only getting stronger with each viewing.

Girly

I woke up feeling content.
My love for the finale gets stronger with each viewing. But for me - Lost was always about love: love for the characters and the love shared among them.

Narrim

Angel has a few notable episodes where they revealed a big guest star at the end of the episode, usually after a surprise reveal. So, not just BSG.

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