'Lost' producers reunite at Comic-Con, present new footage
Did Darlton offer definitive proof that they had a plan?
"Lost" producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse reunited to talk about the show at Comic-Con.
Over the last few days, it appeared that the two main creative architects of "Lost" were having a Twitter war, as Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse kept sending increasingly hostile tweets at each other about something they only called "the Marble Rye." It got to the point where some "Lost" fans were sending out anguished tweets about how Mommy and Daddy were fighting.
As it turns out, the entire beef was staged to set up Team Darlton's surprise, hilarious entrance into the memorable "Entertainment Weekly Presents... Totally 'Lost': One Year Later" panel.
Moderators and "Lost" fans Jeff Jensen and Dan Snierson opened by suggesting that fans might be better off at virtually any other panel going on at that time, then bickering over whether Jensen should be allowed to screen his bootleg DVD copy of whatever "the Marble Rye" was. Then a man in a Stormtrooper costume charged in, yelled that the DVD was never meant to be shown, and ripped off his helmet to reveal Cuse, who was quickly followed by Lindelof in a Dharma Initiative jumpsuit.
Carlton explained that they had planned out the entire series mythology in the first season, and that the season 1 finale, "Exodus," contained a scene that would explain most of it - and which he ultimately felt was too much. Lindelof then griped that the whole "Were you making it up as you went along?" question had only gotten worse since the series ended (in somewhat controversial fashion), and now, "We have the smoking gun. We can show them a scene that clearly and specifically can make the question go away forever."
"The integrity of the show would be violated!" insisted Carlton.
"Since when do you care about the integrity of the show?" Damon retorted.
The crowd - all shocked and pleased to have Darlton appear - overwhemingly voted to see the footage, and... well, you can watch for yourself, now that it's up on ABC.com:
(For the record, top "Lost" director Jack Bender himself shot the new footage on the Disney backlot a few weeks ago, on a patch of lawn near where "Brothers & Sisters" used to film, and Titus Welliver and Mark Pellegrino happily showed up to do it.)
Once the crowd had gotten over the shock of learning the Man in Black's real name was Barry, Cuse and Lindelof took questions from the fans, each of whom received a "Star Wars"-themed "Lost" poster for their troubles.
If anyone was expecting Darlton to start filling in any of the remaining blanks from the show, they were quickly disabused of this notion when an early questioner asked about my own pet obsession(*): who was shooting at Sawyer and the others in the outrigger right before a time jump in season 5?
(*) I've now badgered them so much on this question that Lindelof actually asked if I was in the audience after that was asked.
"We will not be filling in the missing blanks after the show is over," Carlton said, first using a metaphor about life also having unanswered questions, then more practically saying it wouldn't be fair to be giving an answer here, and an answer there, for years to come, "scattered like horcruxes along the pop culture universe."
And specifically with regards to the outrigger, Lindelof compared it to the Russian in "The Sopranos," and said, "At that point, we'd answered so many questions, and the response to some of those answers was 'Blech!' So basically, we were like, 'The outrigger box will stay unchecked.'"
One mystery that they said was always meant to be unexplained was the source of Walt's powers, which Lindelof likened to Stephen King's "Carrie," where it's just accepted without explanation that Carrie is telekinetic.
"That's one of those things that never felt like a mystery to us: why is Walt special?" he said. "The answer is, because he is."
(That said, because they had expected to be canceled after the first 13 episodes, they never banked on having to deal with Malcolm David Kelley's growth spurt, and at that point had to write him out, only giving Walt some semblance of closure in the bonus epilogue, "New Man in Charge," on the complete series DVD set.)
Lindelof and Cuse have both taken a lot of heat from some corners of fandom - including one of Lindelof's personal heroes, "Game of Thrones" author George R.R. Martin - for how the show ended. But Damon said that with time, he's been able to find that even people who didn't like certain major aspects of the finale (the explanation of the sideways universe, specifically), almost everyone he meets at least liked certain parts of it.
"Almost everybody digs the idea that Hurley's in charge at the end and Ben's going to be his number two," he said. "That's not a controversial idea. Almost everybody likes the idea that Jack dies. Some are sad about it, but they like it. It's when you start to get into the other territory - what was the sideways world, what did it mean, what did it represents - things that speak on a deeper level to the sixth season of the show and the series that's the sticky wicket. But at the very least, if you go down a checklist of the finale - Did you like this? Did you like this? - it's not a zero sum game."
Both producers chose the show's first season as their favorite, even though Lindelof said it was "the most unhappy time of my life" and he cried through virtually all of it, until "we went to Hawaii and watched them shoot the raft launch, and it clicked for me: 'The word "Lost" is going to be next to my name when I die, and I'm cool with that.'"
(Carlton: "He was still crying during season 2.")
Damon said that as much as he enjoyed the voices of Ben and Hurley and some others, his favorite scenes to write almost always involved Jack and Locke together.
(Carlton: "That was my favorite combination, but when Claire had Squirrel Baby, that was great, too.")
Near the panel's end, the writers were asked how it felt to have created something that made such an impact on so many people. Cuse talked about the many people who worked on the show right along with them and said they'd cherish the experience forever.
Lindelof added that the show wasn't just a collaboration between himself, Cuse and the rest of the creative team and cast, "but by the people in this room. We had a dialogue going the entire time the show was on that was critical to use the entire time as writers. It's like when a football team takes the field at home, and crowd noise has a factor. You guys were our crowd noise."
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July 22, 2011 at 9:13PM EST Reply to CommentA Star Wars-themed poster? Surely SOMEONE has an image of this. I must see it.
zebracrackhead http://www.lostincomics.com/blog/lost-is-the-new-star-wars-poster/
July 22, 2011 at 9:48PM ESTBix
July 22, 2011 at 9:20PM EST Reply to Comment"they never banked on having to deal with Malcolm David Kelley's growth spurt"
Did they at least admit how incredibly stupid this was of them?
zebracrackhead
July 22, 2011 at 9:48PM EST Reply to CommentHere's the poster in question, it was done by JJ Harrison
http://www.lostincomics.com/blog/lost-is-the-new-star-wars-poster/
JND
July 22, 2011 at 10:20PM EST Reply to CommentBut wait. The outrigger question WAS answered (at least implicitly) in some of the "Complete Collection" extras (though I dare not say which extra, lest it be considered a spoiler)...
Lizzie Please spill. What was the answer? The show's not airing anymore - spoiler rules shouldn't apply.
July 22, 2011 at 11:48PM ESTBB It was people from the Black Rock shooting at them
July 23, 2011 at 7:20AM ESTJND BB's right. According to a journal entry from one of the Black Rock crew members, the ship was trapped in the island's "orbit" for a while before the storm that brought it to the island. Then he writes: "An away team of six men was launched at first light in an attempt to get to the island with hopes of determining our location. Only one returned alive. He seems in a deep shock, muttering about exchanging musket fire with another vessel which promptly disappeared in a flash of heavenly light."
July 23, 2011 at 10:55AM ESTSaveFarris It's also mentioned in a couple of the Season 6 commentaries. The main excuse was, since it was the Black Rock folk, the story would have happened during "Ab Aeterno". And looking back, having Sawyer & Co. show up halfway through that episode really would have cheapened what turned out to be a pretty bad-a## hour of TV.
July 24, 2011 at 4:51PM ESTsedeyus
July 22, 2011 at 10:21PM EST Reply to CommentSomething that always just pisses me off about these two, they taunt their audiences too much. Seriously, what's to be gained by coming to this panel with this footage other than to rub people's noses in it?
Bobo It's funny is the point.
July 23, 2011 at 1:15AM ESTEric It's quite clearly just a joke. If you take it seriously enough to view it as "taunting," you probably deserve to be taunted.
July 23, 2011 at 8:46AM ESTMandrake1979
July 22, 2011 at 10:24PM EST Reply to CommentAnyone who can not say two peoples name separately or both names of one person separately. e.g. SuBo which should be Susan Boyle or Bradgelina which should be Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt should be slapped 100 times everytime they say this nonsense or try to type it. Therefore making them not sound like a dumb Fuck inbred idiot! So stop in Sepinwall
Andrei Sorry, Man-9, some of us get tired after typing so many keystrokes - lighten up!
July 25, 2011 at 10:44AM ESTDaggor
July 22, 2011 at 10:36PM EST Reply to CommentAaah. That was fun. I like LOST... have some problems with the ending, but like it overall. They still don't seem to know that the time-traveling season wasn't confusing, it was limp - as if they were purposely keeping the action & tension low so new/casual viewers wouldn't become confused. The time-travel stuff should have been super tense and bugfuck crazy derango to work up toward the final season. The "who was shooting" question doesn't bother me. I wanted it to pay off, like the rest of the time stuff, but my answer (it was the group of moony "Others" from the Ajira flight) suits me fine, and it's better than the answer not being to my liking.
Miek
July 22, 2011 at 10:38PM EST Reply to CommentSo what was the point of this? To mess with us? I'm a huge fan, on board with most all of their decisions (even the finale), but at this point they seem so obsessed with the trolls that they've become trolls themselves. I'm fed up.
UnHoly Diver That's pretty much the gist of the joke. They both know that their connection to the show will never be broken, and that there will always be people who complain about certain characters/actors, plot lines, which color shoes Sawyer was wearing in Season 3, Ep.4 vs Ep 7, the finale, yada, yada, yada. Instead of constantly whining and moaning about it, they're having fun with it by turning the tables, and I wholeheartedly applaud them for it.
July 24, 2011 at 2:19PM ESTJoe
July 23, 2011 at 2:52AM EST Reply to Commentis there any other way to get a hold of one of those posters?!?!?
Matt
July 23, 2011 at 5:19AM EST Reply to CommentI think the real problem people had with the finale was that it was over. They couldn't keep talking about new revelations. They couldn't really theorize with a possible solution in sight. Sure, some of it was that they didn't get all the answers definitively, or they didn't spend enough time on it (It was like -- wham bam thank you ma'am with a lot of biggies) but really.. it's the loss of the show that has people sour.
Action_Kate
July 23, 2011 at 10:09AM EST Reply to CommentAlan, you left a "TKTK" in front of your footnote. (I am delighted to see someone is still using the old newspaper notation for "to come," however.)
Haik Mendelovich
July 23, 2011 at 10:20AM EST Reply to CommentBarry The Smoke Monster???
Priceless.
(BTW, anyone noticed the antidepressant ad with the black smoke clouds over victims' heads? All I can do is laugh and think... Barry.)
JFWilder
July 23, 2011 at 12:22PM EST Reply to CommentI am sure glad I wasn't at Comic Con to see this debacle.
Jared
July 24, 2011 at 12:56AM EST Reply to CommentThey dug too may rabbit holes that they couldn't get themselves out of. Now they are stuck trying to explain things away like this. Sad.
Col Bat Guano
July 25, 2011 at 12:33PM EST Reply to CommentWell, that clip made me laugh. Not enough to forgive them for the finale though.
brian
July 25, 2011 at 12:50PM EST Reply to CommentIt was a long con. Great show, I was constantly entertained, but I don't see how anyone can think that they had any idea what they were doing with the long term mythology.
LizatLAX
July 25, 2011 at 1:04PM EST Reply to CommentThat is a funny, funny clip. It's even funnier if you imagine that clip had actually been in the show back then. Fan reaction would've been bananas, trying to figure it out.
But how awesome are Pellegrino and Welliver for doing that? kudos to them and Darlton for putting it together.
cekma here is my blog where I gave my answers to everything...
July 25, 2011 at 3:23PM ESThttp://realityasadream.blogspot.com/2010/06/my-response-to-college-humor-lost-video.html