Review: 'How I Met Your Mother' - 'Symphony of Illumination': How she met your father?
A great Cobie Smulders showcase is undercut by unncessary narrative trickery
Robin (Cobie Smulders) enjoys some un-maternal pursuits on "How I Met Your Mother."
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I should be better prepared for an episode like "Symphony of Illumination" by now. I should know that "HIMYM" is a show that will gleefully pull the rug out from under its audience - has been doing so since the end of the pilot, after all - and that anything that seems like actual information about the future, and actual advancement of the story, will eventually be revealed to be anything but.
Intellectually, I know all this. I've watched the show a long time. I know its tricks, know its strengths and (unfortunately growing number of) weaknesses. I know it's a show absolutely terrified of change when it can continue to play the kind of narrative games that were cute once upon a time and have grown steadily more annoying.
I should have been ready for the stunt the show pulled tonight in revealing that the kids Robin spent the episode addressing were just figments of her imagination.
So why did it make me angrier than anything I've seen on television since "The Killing" finale?
Here's why: because there was a genuinely good episode buried that massive pile of bullshit that the framing device turned out to be, and everyone involved with that part of the show - Cobie Smulders especially - deserves better. We deserve better.
"HIMYM" set up Robin's aversion to having kids very early on, used it as a reason to delay Ted and Robin hooking up, then as a reason for them to ultimately split and stay split. It's an ingrained part of her character, and one of the few things about her the show has managed to not screw up in recent years. I didn't like the pregnancy reveal at the end of last week's episode and all the familiar, lame soap opera twists it seemed to promise, but the idea of Robin grappling with the very large gap between "I don't want kids" and "I can't have kids" was an interesting one, and one that Smulders absolutely ran with. She was every bit as good for most of this episode as Neil Patrick Harris has been in the various episodes dealing with Barney's father, and even the material before the infertility subject came up (Robin's understandable horror at cracked, bloody nipples and Barney's dismay at what Insane Dwayne had become) was funny. For that matter, this was one of Josh Radnor's best episodes in a while, between Ted's over-the-top performance as Robin's designated comfort food provider and then his more sincere insistence that his job is to support her even when she won't tell him why she needs the support.
And yet all I can focus on is yet another stupid, completely unnecessary narrative bait-and-switch from the "HIMYM" writers. The idea that Robin and Barney would have multiple kids together may not have fit what we knew about them previously, but the show could have gotten there convincingly, and the set with the kids on the couch - complete with Barney's Stormtrooper suit in the background - suggested that here was the show finally giving us a major signal about the future, and not screwing around with us by showing us the Mother's foot or promising that we'll finally meet her at a wedding Barney will have at some unspecified future date to some unspecified woman.
What exactly was gained by doing this? How did that make the episode better? "See, folks, y'all thought Robin was going to have Barney's babies, but the joke's on you, 'cause she's as barren as Holly Hunter in 'Raising Arizona'!" I can't think of a single way the episode was improved by adding what turned out to be a completely bogus framing device, rather than just telling the entire story in the present day. If anything, I think Robin's discovery about being infertile would have hit even harder, because I wouldn't have been spending time wondering if Vicki Lewis got it wrong, under what circumstances Robin and Barney might adopt, etc.
I should be dwelling on how good Cobie was, and on what a shame it is that NPH is likely the only castmember who will ever get an Emmy nomination. I should be thinking about some funny jokes at the baby store, about a goofy but engaging Marshall B-plot, about the complete silliness of the gang fulfilling Robin's expectations of them even when she substituted pole vaulting for pregnancy. But all I can think about is how "HIMYM" is a show that just can't stop itself from being too cute for its own good.
Seriously, what was the point of that, guys? Just tell a story. You can do that. I've seen you do that. You've done it exceptionally well. You more or less did it for good chunks of this episode. Don't overthink it. Don't try to outthink us. Tell. A. Story.
Please.
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December 5, 2011 at 10:51PM EST Reply to CommentMy thoughts exactly as soon as the episode ended. The ending was so heartbreaking and well played by Smulders. But they did her no good by doing that trick in the episode. I lost much more respect for this show than I ever have in one viewing. Damn shame.
NJMark
December 5, 2011 at 10:52PM EST Reply to CommentI thought, up until the kid turned on him, that it was Marshall's story that was going to be a "fantasy."
It was a dumb device, but outside of that, Cobie did sell it well.
max Yea i thought the same and it the whole story with those two had some major holes.
December 5, 2011 at 11:55PM ESTKen Scott
December 5, 2011 at 10:52PM EST Reply to CommentI had read some comments on ew and some viewers had mentioned that the verbiage in the episode was referring to "your father" not our kids. The point being that she cant have kids, but they could be barneys kids. I liked where it was going with that theory, until they all disapeared.
josh_litten
December 5, 2011 at 10:52PM EST Reply to CommentAlan, I just finished posting on the AV Club (where their reviewer loved the episode) something very similar to your review. I think we must both just be approaching this show the wrong way to properly enjoy it. I was, like you, angrier than I've been watching television in a long time. I told a friend who watches the next day online that this is the first non-sports related time I can remember yelling "Bullsh!t" at the TV.
I love these characters. I like the heart of this show. I hate the rug-pulling with a fiery passion. Also, I hope Mr. E goes Murder Train on that kid.
Oh, but on the bright side, at least they didn't try to make us think the kids were real for eight or so episodes.
December 5, 2011 at 10:57PM ESTSimon Excellent point Josh. Given what I have seen so far, that is not a very big stretch for the writers of HIMYM.
December 6, 2011 at 4:51AM ESTjeff
December 5, 2011 at 10:53PM EST Reply to CommentThe framing device annoyed me, but not enough to offset the awesomeness that was Smulder's performance.
Although after the final scene I found myself remembering just how good Ted and Robin were together and how they crapped the bed by making her and Barney get together.
samK5021 Although I've always liked Barney and Robin together, this episode reminded me of how much I LOVED Ted and Robin.
December 6, 2011 at 6:36AM ESTtanu Thats exactly wat i was reminded of at the end... the way he said "it is my responsibility to make you happy"... it was amazing.. i started craving for them to be together but alas she is AUNT ROBIN :(
December 7, 2011 at 2:48AM ESTLizzie oh god it made me miss ted and robin so bad!!!:( i want them to be together after this;)
December 27, 2011 at 2:16PM ESTRP
December 5, 2011 at 10:53PM EST Reply to Comment100% agree with this: "If anything, I think Robin's discovery about being infertile would have hit even harder, because I wouldn't have been spending time wondering if Vicki Lewis got it wrong, under what circumstances Robin and Barney might adopt, etc. "
I was quite distracted thinking of all the possible ways they were able to have kids together. Shame, cause this was otherwise a very good episode.
clayton Actually the Vicki Lewis getting thinking would have made this episode into a "just another episode". That is how MOST shows would handle it.
December 6, 2011 at 9:55PM ESTClayton I meant Vicki Lewis getting it wrong thinking
December 6, 2011 at 9:55PM ESTSFG
December 5, 2011 at 10:54PM EST Reply to CommentGot to disagree. Thought this was a fantastic episode. The twist didn't bother me at all.
Ryan The twist bothered me, but not enough to make me hate the episode. In fact, I really, really enjoyed it. The reason it didn't bother me is because that's the sort of thing HIMYM does now, so it doesn't surprise me. If the show reminds of what earlier seasons used to be like, I consider that a success, twist or no twist.
December 6, 2011 at 1:44PM ESTDaniel I'm with Ryan here. My reaction to this episode ties in with what you said at the start of your review, Alan. I just couldn't see Robin's 'children' as anything more than a silly gag (starting from the way they were dressed and presented). So, of course, there was little dissapointment for me in the eventual reveal and I could just enjoy the rest of the show.
December 6, 2011 at 6:02PM ESTJohn
December 5, 2011 at 10:54PM EST Reply to CommentBut the show lied for what? Four, five minutes? The reveal that Robin couldn't have kids came early on, so we all knew the framing device wasn't real.
velocityknown But the show sold it as something that the doctor had gotten wrong. Robin kept saying "sorry" to the kids for celebrating that she wasn't pregnant, etc. And they presented it as a twist meaning that Bays & Thomas meant for that reveal to come at the end. If you didn't buy it for the whole episode, good for you, but I think you're in the minority.
December 5, 2011 at 11:02PM ESTJohn We can argue if it was necessary, but I definitely don’t think Bays & Thomas lied to us...
December 5, 2011 at 11:09PM ESTFor me, it just highlighted what kids meant to Robin.
ed w It lied for two weeks. It is very much like if after that episode where at the end Marshall's father died the next episode 2 weeks later was "psych! he's still alive."
December 5, 2011 at 11:59PM EST
That is a horrible analogy. False positives (or just false alarms) happen all the time in real life. There was good odds that Robin was not pregnant before this episode.
December 6, 2011 at 12:04AM ESTScott Rosenberg There was an episode a couple seasons ago where the closing remarks came from Future Ted, who mentioned that Robin eventually did learn to be good with kids...as a godparent to Ted's. It may have also included a drawing by Ted's daughter on her refrigerator. While not unimpeachable, it was a clear indication that Robin did not have kids, and for those who remembered it, we went in with at least enough skepticism not to be surprised.
December 6, 2011 at 12:09AM ESTThere have been other occasions where the show has jerked us around, flipped the past timeline, thrown out loose ends, and dragged things on, and did so due to struggles in the writing or planning for longevity rather than quality. This was not one of those times. The episode used the false premise legitimately for dramatic effect, and was successful in that motivation. Those who are angry only feel that way because they fully bought the acting and quickly became invested in the premise, and thus feel cheated and duped. If you don't feel cheated and duped, though, you can recognize the impressive writing, acting, and directing that generated that level of emotion.
ed w "False positives (or just false alarms) happen all the time in real life."
December 6, 2011 at 12:13AM ESTAnd in a broader sense, more often in sitcoms. The stereotypical sitcom plot is something seeming like it's going to change and then it doesn't. When a show has the guts to make a major change as it seemed like it was about to, that's something noteworthy but it ended up taking the path that sitcom writers almost always take - don't rock the boat, don't touch the formula.
I personally wouldn't have wanted two pregnancies on the show at the same time, and then have 4 of the 5 leads having kids with each other.
December 6, 2011 at 12:16AM ESTshawn False positives are actually a pretty rare occurrence.
December 6, 2011 at 12:47PM ESTklg19 "Those who are angry only feel that way because they fully bought the acting and quickly became invested in the premise, and thus feel cheated and duped."
December 6, 2011 at 4:05PM ESTSo, buying the premise and getting invested in the acting makes us suckers? But...isn't that what a show is supposed to get its viewers to do?
Lifer Knifer Because Robin couldn't physically have kids didn't make the framing device 'a lie'. She and Barney could have adopted.
December 8, 2011 at 4:12PM ESTMaggie
December 5, 2011 at 10:55PM EST Reply to CommentI was pretty annoyed by the bait-and-switch too. While I was watching, I actually got excited that we finally had a piece of real information. That we knew that Barney and Robin ended up together and we could watch them as they progressed to that point. And then to find out it wasn't real? And that we were jerked around again? And I also found it depressing, something I don't enjoy from essentially escapist comedies.
This show is on my list of shows I'm about ready to drop and this episode didn't help its case.
klg19 Exactly, exactly, exactly. I, too, felt excitement over the concrete info, and was so moved by Robin's development from reluctant mom to tortured woman whose womb was a barren place where seed could find no purchase.
December 5, 2011 at 11:28PM ESTWhen the kids faded away, I was shocked speechless. It was such a gratuitous twist, so redolent of cheap film school tricks, so unworthy of and untrue to these characters we've gotten to know over these years.
What a lousy gyp.
We do have a piece of real information. We now know that Robin is not having kids. Yes, it isn't as big as knowing that Robin and Barney are together, having kids, but it is still significant information.
December 5, 2011 at 11:32PM ESTjames I think this is probably even bigger information about the trajectory of this group of people than anything Barney+Robin. I think you're suffering from selection bias where you've already concluded that Barney and Robin must end up together and anything that challenges that conclusion is a step in the complete wrong direction, a stall. This episode gave us information that will impact each of the group's members in a far deeper way than a forced coupling to satisfy your ideal outcome.
December 6, 2011 at 1:42AM ESTMaggie Yeah, but the show has been teasing us with Barney + Robin for several seasons now. They made us care the first time - and then once the characters were together, they didn't know what to do with them. Now for a second time, the characters seem to have feelings for each other that are deeper than friendship, and the show hooks them up - and then after making it seem like they might actually end up together, pulls the rug out again. My question is - how many times do I have to root for a pairing they seem to want the audience to root for - only to have them to give negative payoff for doing so. Basically what I've gotten out of this show is that it's pointless to root for ANY of the pairings (except maybe Lily/Marshall, but they started out the show a couple) because all of them come to nothing in the end. Let's count: Robin/Ted, Robin/Barney (twice), Barney/Nora, Robin/Kal Penn, Ted/Stella, Ted/Victoria, Ted/Slutty Pumpkin, Ted/millions of other girls. They can only make me care so many times before I give up and just stop caring.
December 6, 2011 at 12:19PM ESTmaxmo
December 5, 2011 at 10:56PM EST Reply to CommentAlan, they also added yet another future mystery with "Robin becomes a bullfighter." Still love the show and these characters, but enough with the rug-pulling and adding new mysteries without solving old ones!
Matt Haha, I love the "we'll get to that, later" comments! Like the goat!
December 6, 2011 at 12:53AM ESTMaggie
December 5, 2011 at 10:56PM EST Reply to CommentWrite a comment...I was pretty annoyed by the bait-and-switch too. While I was watching, I actually got excited that we finally had a piece of real information. That we knew that Barney and Robin ended up together and we could watch them as they progressed to that point. And then to find out it wasn't real? And that we were jerked around again? And I also found it depressing, something I don't enjoy from essentially escapist comedies.
This show is on my list of shows I'm about ready to drop and this episode didn't help its case.
Maggie Sorry for the duplicate comment. It kept telling me I was a robot and the capcha was wrong. :-/
December 5, 2011 at 10:57PM ESTCH2
December 5, 2011 at 10:56PM EST Reply to CommentI think that, perhaps, the justification for the framing device was that it forced us, if only briefly, into Robin's point of view. Not just superficially (Robin actually giving the v/o), but emotionally as we had to go from actually believing that she had kids and ended up with Barney, to having the rug pulled out from under us by knowing without a doubt that she will not have kids. Though gimmicky, I thought it was the best kind of HIMYM gimmick, as it actually heightened my emotional connection with Robin in the story. Obviously, ymmv, but this worked for me.
Keith I agree with you... While yeah it was a little sitcom gimmicky it forced the Robin POV and not just Ted telling us.
December 5, 2011 at 11:20PM ESTColin Yes, the framing device made Robin's loss real. We saw the kids and life she lost. That's much more effective to me than to have a character who has spent many seasons saying she didn't want kids suddenly wrestle for 20 minutes with not being able to have kids.
December 6, 2011 at 9:47AM ESTAnd if you're a Barney/Robin shipper, it showed not that Robin wanted kids, but that some part of her imagined a life with Barney. And that was, to me, as much what she was mourning as the kids we met briefly.
meggie I agree completey. This was one of my favorite HIMYM episodes in a long time. I felt they used their framing technique really, really effectively by flipping it, and then subverting it. I'm actually shocked that you didn't like it, Alan. I was expecting a glowing review, saying that this episode made last week's pregnancy scare worth it.
December 6, 2011 at 10:13AM ESTJenny I like this idea that the fake flash-forward forced us into Robin's POV. In that, it was very effective and added gravitas. Believing you're pregnant is a BIG DEAL, especially when it's with someone you were/are on the verge of committing to. Vivid fantasies about the future are bound to occur. The problem with the episode was that the fantasy lasted too long. The scene in the park should have occurred right after the infertility reveal. That would have given us the best of both worlds: a devastatingly effective device to put us in Robin's head, without it turning into a trick aimed just at the viewer.
December 6, 2011 at 10:37AM ESTErika This is how I saw it. Without it I think, knowing that Robin didn't even want kids, it would have been harder to see how this was a loss for her. But for a short time she thought she was pregnant and had started to picture the kid(s) she and Barney would have, didn't want them, but felt guilty for not wanting them because they were (supposedly) real people to her at that point. We thought they were real for a short time, but so did she. And so we felt along with her the impact of them fading out of existence.
December 6, 2011 at 4:23PM ESTsonia I'm with you. I really liked how it put us in Robin's shoes for the episode, and even though it was a fantasy, I didn't see it as a bait and switch. I saw it as framing what Robin may have been thinking each step of the way - picturing what her life might have turned out to be if she had in fact been pregnant with Barney's kid, imagining the kids she now knew she could never have, apologizing to them as she justified why she never wanted them anyway, slowly letting them go emotionally as they faded out of sight. Like Alan, I too was a little distracted thinking of how Robin may have had kids if she was infertile. But wouldn't a woman who just learned she could never have kids be thinking that too? Seems like a great way for us to be in Robin's head, even if it may not have been the best storytelling device.
December 6, 2011 at 6:00PM ESTadam
December 5, 2011 at 10:57PM EST Reply to CommentMaybe I'm naive or dumb, but I thought it worked and made the episode stronger. Initially I assumed that those really were her future kids and that she'd eventually have them through some other means, which made the ultimate reveal that she would never have children (and her reaction to that reality) all the more devastating. I thought it was the best episode of the season, and Smoulders gave one of the best performances in the history of the show
Gajic They never said Robin didn't have kids. They couldn't even lock into that. The writers are still free to get her pregnant somehow down the line. This entire show is about them delaying plot developments so they can use them later. The story should develop organically but instead we're in a holding pattern until they know when the last season is.
December 5, 2011 at 11:41PM ESTbryan-a Yes Gajic that's EXACTLY what they said - she never has kids.
December 5, 2011 at 11:47PM ESTAustin Gajic - Future Ted said she never became a "pole vaulter," which pretty definitively says she never has kids.
December 5, 2011 at 11:50PM ESTGajic They didn't say it. They implied it. if they want to give Robin kids in two years they have an easy way out.
December 6, 2011 at 12:34AM ESTThis is also the show that flat out said Barney never met his dad then introduced him the next year.
They're too worried about keeping every possiblity open to reveal anything.
Orbit I'd have to agree with Gajic here. It never seemed to be completely set in stone that she doesn't have kids. Honestly when I heard the pole vaulter line I thought it was more intended as a joke saying that she literally didn't become a pole vaulter. A joke like that is pretty consistent with how HIMYM is written too.
December 6, 2011 at 3:12AM ESTAnyway, even if it wasn't a joke and it was implied, they do have an easy out because it is never flat out stated as "Robin never had kids." I definitely wouldn't put it past the writers to let her have kids eventually because of that loophole. There are many instances in which the writers give false implications towards the future.
Orbit I'd have to agree with Gajic here. It never seemed to be completely set in stone that she doesn't have kids. Honestly when I heard the pole vaulter line I thought it was more intended as a joke saying that she literally didn't become a pole vaulter. A joke like that is pretty consistent with how HIMYM is written too.
December 6, 2011 at 3:12AM ESTAnyway, even if it wasn't a joke and it was implied, they do have an easy out because it is never flat out stated as "Robin never had kids." I definitely wouldn't put it past the writers to let her have kids eventually because of that loophole. There are many instances in which the writers give false implications towards the future.
shel Future Ted says she never became a pole vaulter, because that's what he thought she wanted. He didn't know pole vaulting was a metaphor for having kids, because Robin never told anyone the real reason she was upset. So yeah, they never actually come out and say Robin never has kids.
December 6, 2011 at 5:55AM ESTsara ITA with Gajic and glad I read the comments before posting the same. I loved this episode, cried through much of it and then spent a few extra minutes watching my 5 year old daughter sleep (usually I just take a quick peek but tonight I had to linger).
December 9, 2011 at 11:37AM ESTRyanT
December 5, 2011 at 10:57PM EST Reply to CommentI'm more in the frame of mind as Jeff's comment above. Lame framing? Certainly. And I was pissed for about 5 seconds. But the episode WAS a good one with an exception performance from Cobie. My disappointment regarding the twist isn't enough to offset the rest of the solid episode.
Cowboy Boots It boggles my mind that people would continue on with the show after a string of puff episodes like the "mugged by a monkey" one and then say their dropping it after a poignant episode like this one. Forget the cheap framing device; that last scene between Ted and Robin is the real trick that this show has pulled off -- convincingly showing that these characters love and care about each other.
December 6, 2011 at 1:09PM ESTGrover
December 5, 2011 at 10:58PM EST Reply to CommentI'll be honest, as soon as it faded to the credits my first thought was Alan's going to hate this.
bigperm33
December 5, 2011 at 10:59PM EST Reply to CommentCouldn't agree more. And the show I thought of immediately was The Killing and how that screwed with its audience too. Like you wrote, you knew it would not be a clear, easy story - Robin is pregnant, Barney is the dad. But to do it like they did it was just insulting. And I was thinking the same thing for most of the episode - what a good episode, maybe the best one they have done in a long time. Instead, I am just annoyed.
barryk
December 5, 2011 at 11:02PM EST Reply to CommentI thought something was obviously up when she had the same voice in the future.
Artoo Very good observation!
December 6, 2011 at 8:07AM ESTnirveli9
December 5, 2011 at 11:03PM EST Reply to CommentI seriously was willing to forgive the punch in the gut feeling that was Robin's decision to stay with Kevin, I was willing to look past the apparent pregnancy of a character that was so staunchly anti-parenting, I am however incapable of looking past yet ANOTHER episode of emotional manipulation and gotcha storytelling for the sake of 'character growth'. Seriously? This is not some soap opera. If I want that sort of crap, I'll watch Private Practice.
If they want to be clever, how about moving the story forward in a way that stays organic and true to the characters these people once were.
This show is getting more ridiculous than Lost in its Season 3 days. Someone needs to let them know its high time to start solving mysteries rather than introducing new bullshit ones.
dmstorm22
December 5, 2011 at 11:05PM EST Reply to CommentThe only thing this sets up is furthering the idea that Robin is a totally vulnerable character, now fallen to a state where she can get on Egg Nog and pretend to talk herself into dealing with not being able to have kids. Of course, this whole season we were supposed to believe that Robin is in a vulnerable, emotional, dark state, so it didn't further the plot, but this at least actually showed (at the end) Robin being lower than she has ever been.
SaraBlue
December 5, 2011 at 11:08PM EST Reply to CommentI almost completely loved this episode. With all of Barney's personal growth over the past few seasons, and even the development of Robin's character it would have been a really interesting path to take if she really were addressing her children.
I even would have been okay if this pregnancy was a false alarm but there were still children down the road.
I do feel let down by the story, but I still enjoy the characters which is why I continue to watch.
Seth Davis
December 5, 2011 at 11:08PM EST Reply to CommentI think the creators have developed Shyamalan syndrome, whereby they can only see the story as a setup for a twist, which they've convinced themselves is the actual point of story telling.
Hence, aliens impervious to everything but water invade a planet composed of 75% water.
This is the problem with these story-telling framing devices, they lose potency unless you try to up the ante, creating melodrama instead of actual drama. You get so lost in trying to screw with the audience -- I'm looking at you Lindelof -- that you lose the ability to convey a cogent narrative. So instead of just telling a story, you get flash forwards (which weren't the show-saving game-changing development everyone thought, they just prolonged the crutch) then time travel, then flash (god help me) sideways or whatever BS they want to call it.
I think the writers are now either prevented from or incapable of just telling a story and sticking to it. They've adopted and relied on the too-clever-by-half pose of false narration, twist endings and stalling tactics, and now are left with nothing else.
Since they don't care about the actual ending of the show, neither does the audience. Either we'll be conditioned to just expect more fake outs or just give up on the puzzle because it's not worth our time.
Lost did that to me in the final season and these guys are coming actually close. Which is a shame, because unlike Lost there are some compelling performances and actual talent. I liked Barney's first two reactions to the news that Robin was pregnant, and I could feel a palpable sense of loss when Robin found out she couldn't have kids. But all that good feeling went away when they played their "Gotcha!" card.
Nicely done, buffoons.
DAG
December 5, 2011 at 11:10PM EST Reply to CommentI'm so used to their tricks that I was pretty convinced that at the end the kids would say something like - "thanks Aunt Robin" and we would learn that the kids would be Barney's kids but not hers (I even rewound half way thru to check if Robyn called them her kids (which she didnt).
So, while I was upset with the switch, I never believed they wouldn't pull the rug out.
Seriously, I'm going to be very sad if Robyn and Barney don't end up together.
ms ME too! I am so emotionally invested in the two of them being together that its a little embarrassing. The two of them are seriously meant for each other.
December 6, 2011 at 12:32AM ESTmikerwilson
December 5, 2011 at 11:12PM EST Reply to CommentSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO frustrating...but I KNEW from the moment she started talking to them that they'd probably pull that rug out from under us. When you can't trust the show runners at all, then it's really hard to keep watching.
Unfortunately I'm kind of stuck - much in the way Dan Feinberg described on your podcast a few weeks ago.
Kendra
December 5, 2011 at 11:12PM EST Reply to CommentYou're comparing this to the Killing? Really? Not even close, in my opinion. This was one episode and, as another commenter pointed out, the framing device could be used to recreate for the audience what it must have felt like for Robin to have that possibility taken from her. The Killing was a season long of misdirection and going nowhere.
But then I come from the perspective of someone who has loved that Robin never wanted kids and loathed the very thought that she may change her mind on this. (yeah, yeah, yeah...I know it happens in real life but I feel that changing one's mind is overrepresented while being steadfast in that decision is underrepresented on TV.)
So for me, the anger you're feeling was the anger I felt when I first read the spoiler that they were casting for Robin's "kids." That made me furious and if they hadn't pulled the bait and switch at the end, I'd be in here much angrier than you. I'm still a little miffed that they somewhat took away the choice from Robin but that's a minor quibble.
jenfullmoon I feel the same way. On 95% of shows out there (okay, probably not Gray's Anatomy) this would be the episode where Robin changes her mind and has babies. On a show that is obsessed with having a future family of domesticity, I was deeply afraid they'd change that on Robin, and I was pleased as punch to find out they didn't ruin her character in that way.
December 5, 2011 at 11:45PM ESTCol Bat Guano Yeah, comparing this to The Killing was a cheap shot, but only because The Killing was so terrible.
December 6, 2011 at 12:58PM ESTJames
December 5, 2011 at 11:13PM EST Reply to CommentI've been annoyed with this show before. Frustrated, even disappointed. Whenever elements of the show had made others angry, it never bothered me as much as it seemed to other people.
But this time, I was genuinely angry and upset. I think maybe this was the straw that broke the camel's back and I was not only frustrated by this specific episode, but felt all the more a chump for all the times I defended the show's choices - even if only to myself.
As a 36 year old man who has never wanted kids, but increasingly has mixed feelings as it becomes more and more (if not biologically, then practically) unlikely that I will never have kids, I felt a real emotional identification with Robin, despite the gender difference. To have such a powerful performance cheapened with yet another cheap stunt is a real shame. I don't know many other sitcoms that could have pulled off the humor and emotional resonance of much of that episode, but few others would resort to such crap either.
Lastly, I got whiplashed a bit by the end of the episode. The first time I heard it, I thought the last line was that, "she was never a mom." It hit me so hard, I rewound it and realized it said, "she was never alone." I got excited for about 5 seconds as I thought they had left her ability to have kids open, until I remembered that that passage had started with saying that she was never a pole vaulter - using the language of the episode to tell us in fact she was never a mom. Anyway, within 30 seconds, I went from thinking she never had kids, to thinking she may have, to realizing again that she didn't.
Jules Again, I don't understand why people are forgetting about adoption. Even if you're going to assume "pole vaulting" is a metaphor for having functional babyparts (which I did not, as I don't think that's connoted very clearly in Narrator-Ted's tone), all it means is that she never had kids from her own uterus. That sucks, I'm sure, but that doesn't mean she can't be a MOM. Honestly, as an adopted kid I'm starting to get a complex here. Is my natural-born sister somehow a more fulfilling child than I am? Jesus.
December 6, 2011 at 6:57AM ESTJames Sorry if I didn't assume based on zero evidence that the world-travelling career woman that never wanted to have kids decided to adopt.
December 6, 2011 at 11:51AM ESTMK
December 5, 2011 at 11:17PM EST Reply to CommentYou summed it up perfectly, Alan. I thought FINALLY! We have some huge reveal, some progression in the storyline, something to reward all the years and hours we fans have put into this show. And then poof...it's just yanked away like a meal from a starving man. It's just absurd at this point, to think that they won't drag this thing out for 2-3 more years...its beyond frustrating.
How would this be a reward for all the years and hours anyone has put into the show? The Robin kids storyline has never been a season-long arc. It isn't like we've waited around since 2005 thinking "Is Robin going to have kids?". This wasn't as bad a bait-and-switch even as in the finale last year when Ted told his kids that the woman he met at the restaurant was YM and then pulled the rug out immediately.
December 5, 2011 at 11:23PM ESTHowzer
December 5, 2011 at 11:18PM EST Reply to CommentCould not disagree more with the review and quite a bit of the sentiment here. I don't mind the rug being pulled out from under me by the show because they aren't doing it just for the sheer shock value of it all which is why something like The Killing did what they did.
With this show I really feel like they are trying to get into the psyche of their characters as they are in their early 30's and dealing with issues such as love and ultimately pregnancy. I think often in television women are portrayed as either great mothers or angry women not wanting to see a kid. They started Robin in that latter category years ago but what we saw tonight was growth in her character. She didn't want to have kids until it became apparent she couldn't have them. It was not her choice anymore but rather one made for her. That is not the Robin we have gotten to know over the years on the show and it furthers everything that is spiraling badly for Robin right now.
Also, I think anyone who thought they were giving you anything that blatantly in the first minute of the show is kind of naive. When has the show been so forthcoming in giving away information? Why would this have been the change? This show is trying hard to carefully remove layers and are doing so at a pace that works for them within the confines of what they have time wise to tell their show. This wasn't the show stretching itself, it was telling a compelling story.
Also, I think some of the negativity surrounding the reveal has a lot to do with anger over how Barney and Robin were handled. Honestly, it felt more forced to me when they were putting the two together because they seem like the people who highlight each others defects. I wouldn't say I was happy they were split up but it didn't bum me out like it did so many others.
Katrine
December 5, 2011 at 11:18PM EST Reply to CommentI hated almost everything about this episode.
1. The initial "reveal" that Robin and Barney had kids. I was excited that the show supposedly stopped beating around the bush about where their relationship would be going, but extremely pissed off that they would stick them in the exact kids-and-marriage-and-house track that is so wrong for them, and that the writers seem incapable of thinking past.
2. Barney's continual ridiculous and impractical baby frenzy.
3. Robin's reaction to her infertility--I thought it was way too over the top and quick for someone who never, ever wanted kids. I can understand that she'd still be upset about having even the chance taken away, but I think it should have been handled entirely differently.
4. The final reveal. Ughhhhhhhh.
Matt Z
December 5, 2011 at 11:21PM EST Reply to CommentThere's nothing else to say. You said it perfectly. At this point I'm only watching because of nostalgia for seasons 1-5 and to find out who the mother is 2 years from now.
You are probably the only person who is nostalgic about S5.
December 5, 2011 at 11:24PM ESTb
December 5, 2011 at 11:22PM EST Reply to CommentSeriously. Seriously. This wasn't some shameful pulling of the rug, the writers earned that twist and it actually added to the plot by showing how deep of a pit Robin felt she was in. If you're going to continue to shit on the show even when it goes to unique places a lot of other sitcoms don't, and continue to shit on the show week after week, then why the fuck are you still reviewing this show. Every week it's nitpick after nitpick to the point and while the show is far from perfect in that run, it's still good. If you disagree that this show is good, then stop whining about it every fucking week.
Gajic Take your own advice. If you know Alan's How I Met Your Mother review is going to make you mad, then why the fuck are you still reading them? Noone makes you read this.
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